Additional info. You can calculate the maximum amount of healing the enemy will get by multiplying your hp by their lifesteal percentage. For example if you have 3000 hp and the enemy has 20% lifesteal they will heal 600hp throughout the fight if they kill you. Thats why its better to not focus on building hp and instead go for armor rather than stack hp and conversely you should build lifesteal vs an hp stacking tank, like bork. Also the most reliable counter to healing is to pile on them with your whole team and kill them before they heal much, so burst and cc are best. Also why remove video and repost?
As a tank player Warwick and yoric are a pain to build against because they are one of very few champions with ~ 40/60 damage split of magic and physical . @@lolhavoc
vlad is a special case because he heals a flat amount not based on the amount of damage he deals (not to mention that since he s a mage he can just not auto attack to not get the anti-heal from bramble and thornmail)
I follow these rules and they help like 80% of the time: squishy / single target -> build poweritem bruiser, tank / multiple healing targets -> build antiheal
antiheal items actually work well for their class types. if you are a figher, its really often better to build executioners instead of bramble even if you are against ad, bc lifesteal works 100% on creeps
a note: When building wardens mail, you should only build randuins omen if the enemy who has lifesteal is building crit; otherwise, frozen hearts attack speed slow gives more value. in some situations you may just want to build both though, since frozen heart can still be useful against a full crit champion. If playing a tank, or even some bruisers/duelists, you will likely want jak'sho's, as it's armor/MR increase is insane against almost any champion who abuses lifesteal
Fiddlesticks heals off pre-mitigation dmg on W. So no resistances will help in that case. It used to be divine sunderer did the same based off enemy's max HP
meanwhile Aatrox casually slapping 1 aa on Cho and getting full heal despite grievous wound because his passive deals enemy max HP% and half of said value turns to HP:
Did you know? When you see people build Bramble Best / Thornmail against non-auto attack champions or against Healing abilities then you know something is wrong. When you see people build Thornmail against a Zac and still heals everything and wondered why they never auto attack you, OR when you see Darius hitting other targets and only just hitting you with his Q but no autoattack OR Unending Despair and wonder why they don't have heal reduction on them.
True, thornmail is a great item overall vs basic attack champs but it's not a good antiheal item. I would love if Riot gave back the GW apply when you stun your enemy to thornmail and bramble vest. Not the 60% increased value like it used to be. Just 40% but applied by both, auto attacking you and you stunning the enemy.
It's still good against Darius because he has to AA you and his W is also an auto enhancer, it's just not good for champions that heal that don't use AA like Zac.
Aatrox plays around a mechanic that's closer to Omnivamp actually. It's not lifesteal, although most of the tips I give in this video also work against Aatrox 💀
I believe lifesteal is calculated after resustances but before Death's dance passive. So building DD shouldn't reduce the lifesteal(of course outside of 45 armor it gives).
@@IIIlIl Post-mitigation dmg means "damage after all reductions(armor, MR and unique damage reductions such as damage block from Frozen heart/Randuins Omen, Amumu E passive, Leona W)". DD's passive is not dmg reduction but a form of damage delay. Coding lifesteal to be counted before DD's passive also makes sense from dev's POV because that's the easiest way to code it. If it was counted after, you would have to figure out the way for that lifesteal to benefit from DD's bleed effect while it's not an auto attack.
@@krzysztofputerko1943in this channel's recent video it shows that DD counters Aatrox's healing due to reducing the post-mitigation cabbage, do you know if it works differently for Aatrox specifically?
true damage is weird when it comes to camille q (am a camille main) she deals MODIFIED true damage meaning basic attack effects increase and decrease the damage dealt. (sheen,last stand, armor boots,spear of shojin,PTA) however it seems to be glitched with wardens mail (wardens mail and all its items only reduce the physical part of camille q not the true damage)
Can you do a video on how to build tanks vs various team comps? For example, perhaps they have 2 auto attackers and 3 spell users, but 3AD and 2 ap. What if they have a vayne or bork abuser? Etc
Yes , grevious wounds work against Vlad's healing although bramble migh not be the best option since he can simply choose not to throw basic attacks at you. In fact it is the only way to effectively reduce his healing, its not based on damage so building magic resist to reduce his damage will not affect the healing he gets.
Antiheal works vs Vladimir but bramble vest doesn't because Vlad just won't auto attack if he sees you have it. Also, you gotta watch out for his W, because (if I'm not mistaken) it's duration is longer than GW duration so he can wait it out and then use empowered Q right after is W ends.
@@NepNeppy Mundo ultimate is a bad example because his ulti also gives him MAX HEALTH wich was done specifically by Riot because anti-heal made mundo useless
hey havoc, do you think would be a problem if riot made Yi's E apply lifesteal? camilles true damage does like 10x more damage and applies lifesteal and it has been like that always
sett gets destroyed by any champion that can kite him or champions that deal alot of maxhealth damage. gwen fiora to name a few.its also recommended to pick mobile champions so you can dodge his W. also do NOT pick tanks into sett he s an anti-tank champion (he builds BOTRK and has max health and true damage in his kit) slowly poke him down since he counters burst damage with his W.i recommend taking champions that can short trade safely (garen,camille) or champions that win in an all-in vs him like trundle or darius.
For spells with on-hit, does the lifesteal apply to both the spell damage and the on-hit damage, or does the lifesteal only applies to the on-hit damage?
@@Johann55555no, the generall rule of on-hit effects was always that on-hits from items benefit from lifesteal and on-hits from abilites(such as Irelia passive or Jax every third auto ult passive) dob't benefit from it. That's also why Shen's Q doesn't benefit from lifesteal. The reason why Yorick Q or Nasus Q or Camille's Q does benefit from it, is because game doesn't treat those abilities as on-hit effects but as empowered auto attacks(that's also why they work on towers, while the only on-hit effect that work on towers is Sheen and Titanic hydra dmg, but no longer applies cleave tho). Another interesting ability is Jax W, because it also counts as on-hit effect onstead of empowered auto attack for some reason so it doesb't proc on towers and it doesn't benefit from lifesteal.
@@krzysztofputerko1943 you're correct, I just tested it. I'll delete my comment. My assumption was that if every items on hit triggers lifesteal, then so must the on hit of champion abilities. But it's a case by case thing instead of universal, as per usual in this game. MB
@@nightcorechords5705 does it really? Generally Riots main rule for on-hit effects always was that on-hit effects from items(Bork, nashors tooth etc.) benefit from lifesteal while on-hit effects from abilities(like Jax W, Irelia's passive, Jax every third auto ult passive) don't benefit from lifesteal. Gotta check it out.
@@krzysztofputerko1943 where did you even get those information in the first place? Those are really impressive. Guess i should test Kog ap sometimes if my teams need more of that damage since 100% of his scaling(even W) doesn't get even the smallest AD scale. AP Kog give me options i love such as the mana staff that give me a thick shield and as mentioned Nashoor and BORK. The %health of BORK doesn't scale anyways. In most of my Kog games even when i build normal attack speed ad items, my ap damage still surpass the ad even with BORK(it might be around 50-50 or 60-40 for ap)
Just delete LoL to avoid Lifestealing experiences.
Additional info. You can calculate the maximum amount of healing the enemy will get by multiplying your hp by their lifesteal percentage. For example if you have 3000 hp and the enemy has 20% lifesteal they will heal 600hp throughout the fight if they kill you. Thats why its better to not focus on building hp and instead go for armor rather than stack hp and conversely you should build lifesteal vs an hp stacking tank, like bork. Also the most reliable counter to healing is to pile on them with your whole team and kill them before they heal much, so burst and cc are best.
Also why remove video and repost?
I forgot to add music 💀
@@lolhavocis it cuz of UwU
@lolhavoc more ad and armour pen might be more efficient depending on champion
yes, don't do mr against Warwick, our cure thanks you.
Warwick is a good example of when MR is good 💀
I should've taken him as an example actually !
As a tank player Warwick and yoric are a pain to build against because they are one of very few champions with ~ 40/60 damage split of magic and physical . @@lolhavoc
I wouldnt say that you main ww around here ;-; me and gang dont like that
Чтобы контрить Ww достаточно Желета. Любая атака Ww считается за АА.
@@lolhavoc Warwick is one of the best at lifesteal, as he deals hybrid damage it becomes very difficult to reduce healing by resistance.
And then there's the fed vladimir heals himself from 1% health to 100% in less than a second.
vlad is a special case because he heals a flat amount not based on the amount of damage he deals (not to mention that since he s a mage he can just not auto attack to not get the anti-heal from bramble and thornmail)
Deaths dance is also good against champs that heal for a percentage of dmg dealt, as they will heal for 70%dmg dealt. The 30% bleed doesnt heal.
aatrox players when you build dd:
I follow these rules and they help like 80% of the time:
squishy / single target -> build poweritem
bruiser, tank / multiple healing targets -> build antiheal
not always. for example tahm kench and darius its better to just build damage against them rather than anti heal
antiheal items actually work well for their class types. if you are a figher, its really often better to build executioners instead of bramble even if you are against ad, bc lifesteal works 100% on creeps
a note: When building wardens mail, you should only build randuins omen if the enemy who has lifesteal is building crit; otherwise, frozen hearts attack speed slow gives more value. in some situations you may just want to build both though, since frozen heart can still be useful against a full crit champion.
If playing a tank, or even some bruisers/duelists, you will likely want jak'sho's, as it's armor/MR increase is insane against almost any champion who abuses lifesteal
Fiddlesticks heals off pre-mitigation dmg on W. So no resistances will help in that case.
It used to be divine sunderer did the same based off enemy's max HP
briar passive also heals pre-mitigation
Thank you for the video. I would love to watch a video from you about shields. I wondered if shields absorb damage with armor/magic-resist accounting
meanwhile Aatrox casually slapping 1 aa on Cho and getting full heal despite grievous wound because his passive deals enemy max HP% and half of said value turns to HP:
Also please don’t just make your tank build bramble vest when oblivion orb but especially mortal reminder can apply grievous wounds on command :)
Did you know?
When you see people build Bramble Best / Thornmail against non-auto attack champions or against Healing abilities then you know something is wrong.
When you see people build Thornmail against a Zac and still heals everything and wondered why they never auto attack you, OR when you see Darius hitting other targets and only just hitting you with his Q but no autoattack OR Unending Despair and wonder why they don't have heal reduction on them.
True, thornmail is a great item overall vs basic attack champs but it's not a good antiheal item.
I would love if Riot gave back the GW apply when you stun your enemy to thornmail and bramble vest.
Not the 60% increased value like it used to be. Just 40% but applied by both, auto attacking you and you stunning the enemy.
Even after Riot removed the "apply griveous wound when cc the enemy", Thorn Mail is still a really good item when laning against Darius as a tank
It's still good against Darius because he has to AA you and his W is also an auto enhancer, it's just not good for champions that heal that don't use AA like Zac.
Build grievous wounds and watch as it does nothing because the enemy champ has both built in lifesteal and from runes and items!
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No! Don't tell the people how to counter lifesteal! Please :c! (I play Aatrox)
Aatrox plays around a mechanic that's closer to Omnivamp actually. It's not lifesteal, although most of the tips I give in this video also work against Aatrox 💀
But Bramble Vest works less effectively because you need to be auto attacked to trigger wounds.
@@Heightren if attrox doesnt auto you every 4 second its not like that he is going to kill you
@@lolhavoc its literally all the same shit, its just named differently.. lol
septic sword better than bramble if you not a tank
What about Death's Dance passive interaction with lifesteal? Bleed doesn't count towards lifesteal, does it?
I believe lifesteal is calculated after resustances but before Death's dance passive.
So building DD shouldn't reduce the lifesteal(of course outside of 45 armor it gives).
@@krzysztofputerko1943 but lifesteal comes from post-mitigation damage and DD is a form of (temporary) damage mitigation?
@@IIIlIl Post-mitigation dmg means "damage after all reductions(armor, MR and unique damage reductions such as damage block from Frozen heart/Randuins Omen, Amumu E passive, Leona W)". DD's passive is not dmg reduction but a form of damage delay.
Coding lifesteal to be counted before DD's passive also makes sense from dev's POV because that's the easiest way to code it. If it was counted after, you would have to figure out the way for that lifesteal to benefit from DD's bleed effect while it's not an auto attack.
@@krzysztofputerko1943 ok that makes sense
@@krzysztofputerko1943in this channel's recent video it shows that DD counters Aatrox's healing due to reducing the post-mitigation cabbage, do you know if it works differently for Aatrox specifically?
The last fact about reducing Camille true dmg by buying ninja tabi is interesting. Could you make a video about true damage?
true damage is weird when it comes to camille q (am a camille main) she deals MODIFIED true damage meaning basic attack effects increase and decrease the damage dealt. (sheen,last stand, armor boots,spear of shojin,PTA) however it seems to be glitched with wardens mail (wardens mail and all its items only reduce the physical part of camille q not the true damage)
You're on a roll bruh welcome back
Attack speed reduction stacks? Or it doesn't like slow?
it stacks if it's different sources, like nasus W + frozen heart, but 2 frozen hearts do not stack asfaik
you counter lifesteal by buying grevious wounds.. everyone already knows this.. lol
Can you do a video on how to build tanks vs various team comps? For example, perhaps they have 2 auto attackers and 3 spell users, but 3AD and 2 ap. What if they have a vayne or bork abuser? Etc
Watching your aatrox video, buying Death dance against his healing... could it not work as well for lifesteal in general??
I look forward for your answer
What are the hell are those two items?
Better not start doing ap warwick 💀💀💀
Does Antiheal items bramble, etc work against vladimir healings? I heard it's not. Enlighten me pls.
Yes , grevious wounds work against Vlad's healing although bramble migh not be the best option since he can simply choose not to throw basic attacks at you. In fact it is the only way to effectively reduce his healing, its not based on damage so building magic resist to reduce his damage will not affect the healing he gets.
Anti-Heal works against all source of healing including self Regen like warmogs, Mundo ultimate.
Antiheal works vs Vladimir but bramble vest doesn't because Vlad just won't auto attack if he sees you have it.
Also, you gotta watch out for his W, because (if I'm not mistaken) it's duration is longer than GW duration so he can wait it out and then use empowered Q right after is W ends.
@@NepNeppy Mundo ultimate is a bad example because his ulti also gives him MAX HEALTH wich was done specifically by Riot because anti-heal made mundo useless
hey havoc, do you think would be a problem if riot made Yi's E apply lifesteal?
camilles true damage does like 10x more damage and applies lifesteal and it has been like that always
Wait so does Kayle also lifesteal off of her auto attacks with her magic on hit from her E?? Can someone please confirm?
I'm pretty sure she doesn't
Hey, can u make a video talking about sett? like spikes, counter match ups and other things like that
sett gets destroyed by any champion that can kite him or champions that deal alot of maxhealth damage. gwen fiora to name a few.its also recommended to pick mobile champions so you can dodge his W. also do NOT pick tanks into sett he s an anti-tank champion (he builds BOTRK and has max health and true damage in his kit) slowly poke him down since he counters burst damage with his W.i recommend taking champions that can short trade safely (garen,camille) or champions that win in an all-in vs him like trundle or darius.
For spells with on-hit, does the lifesteal apply to both the spell damage and the on-hit damage, or does the lifesteal only applies to the on-hit damage?
if a spell applies on-hit then the lifesteal applies to both the spell damage and on-hit damage. examples: irelia Q,camille Q,ezreal Q,samira Q
@@dreamergamer9291 ty
Lifestealing being applied post mitigation sucks imo and should be changed ASAP
Also, Shen Q doesn’t proc lifesteal, since it counts as a spell effect.
"empowers your 3 next auto's"
@@marcperez2532 how about KogMaw W?
@@marcperez2532 tested it in practice tool, so I’m not just talking out of my ass
@@Johann55555no, the generall rule of on-hit effects was always that on-hits from items benefit from lifesteal and on-hits from abilites(such as Irelia passive or Jax every third auto ult passive) dob't benefit from it.
That's also why Shen's Q doesn't benefit from lifesteal.
The reason why Yorick Q or Nasus Q or Camille's Q does benefit from it, is because game doesn't treat those abilities as on-hit effects but as empowered auto attacks(that's also why they work on towers, while the only on-hit effect that work on towers is Sheen and Titanic hydra dmg, but no longer applies cleave tho).
Another interesting ability is Jax W, because it also counts as on-hit effect onstead of empowered auto attack for some reason so it doesb't proc on towers and it doesn't benefit from lifesteal.
@@krzysztofputerko1943 you're correct, I just tested it. I'll delete my comment. My assumption was that if every items on hit triggers lifesteal, then so must the on hit of champion abilities. But it's a case by case thing instead of universal, as per usual in this game. MB
Burst counters lifesteal
I've never seen a tank being able to build burst dmg and still doing their job as a tank
so does KogMaw W proc lifesteal? I love building BOrk with him
Yes it does
@@nightcorechords5705 does it really? Generally Riots main rule for on-hit effects always was that on-hit effects from items(Bork, nashors tooth etc.) benefit from lifesteal while on-hit effects from abilities(like Jax W, Irelia's passive, Jax every third auto ult passive) don't benefit from lifesteal.
Gotta check it out.
@@nightcorechords5705 checked lol wiki and there is no information about it sadly
@@krzysztofputerko1943 where did you even get those information in the first place? Those are really impressive. Guess i should test Kog ap sometimes if my teams need more of that damage since 100% of his scaling(even W) doesn't get even the smallest AD scale. AP Kog give me options i love such as the mana staff that give me a thick shield and as mentioned Nashoor and BORK. The %health of BORK doesn't scale anyways.
In most of my Kog games even when i build normal attack speed ad items, my ap damage still surpass the ad even with BORK(it might be around 50-50 or 60-40 for ap)
@@krzysztofputerko1943 am pretty sure irelia passive works with lifesteal since its on-hit not an empowered auto attack
build mr and armor. more defense less healing for them
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Pretty sure most people know Steelcaps passive works vs Camille Q
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