Teddy Sads fast fermenting vodka recipe is my go-to recipe for a sugar wash. I've also had great results with just sugar and water with the spent grain from a beer for nutrients. Pays to monitor the PH on these as they can drop to 3.0 pretty fast and stall the fermentation. Hope to see more distilling content mate.
The second one I did was half grain and half sugar, came out much cleaner without the tomato paste that's for sure. Didn't stink lol. Tried a few different ones I just made up, saw that teddy one I haven't tried it though. I'll whack it on the list. Cheers mate!
I dont think I've uploaded any to the main channel, I've used it about 6 times, surprisingly it goes really well, using my induction plate in the garage, one its going it runs itself, only thing I have to do is put some more ice in the bucket I use for chilling, I need a bigger bucket lol I'll check and see if theres a video of it running on my patreon
This is an old video, and I've refined the process a lot now, I finished way too early with 60% booze still coming out of it! ua-cam.com/video/jEmOWh3N-ks/v-deo.html
Good luck! To be honest while it is very easy with ingredients available from the supermarket, eventually buy some yeast nutrient and then you don't have to use the tomato paste, which makes it much easier and a bit less stinky lol Cheers!
When you start on your grain whiskys, if you do that is gash is don't boil out after sparging, as you need those natural yeasts ect to sour the mash off a bit for a better spirit
Great timing, just finished off 200l wash. Ran 4 stripping runs and a final spirit run. Proofed it down to 42%. In total, about 30l. That should be enough for christmas 😂
what was your ingredient in the 200L wash? im having trouble with this in a 50 gallong barrel....im putting 40 gallons of pure water, 100 pounds of sugar....100 grams of yeast and 100 grams of yeast nutrient...sometimes its fine other times especially with Dextrose ( corn sugar) it stalls and the PH drops to 3.5 which wont work?! help?
@@MrDavesbox1 Hey, for my 200L I used sugar 45kg (99.2lb), tomato paste 1965g (69.31oz), 677ml of lemon juice, yeast 562g (19.84oz). I did have to add a couple of teaspoons of baking soda to bring my PH back to neutral.
With a TPW can we add extra sugar to boost the ABV? I have always used a turbo yeast WITH 8kg sugar. Usually produces around 4.2L @ 92% I am considering using TPW
You can for sure, these days I just do sugar and water and use more yeast nutrient, makes it less smelly. Some add wheat bran but I think by the time I've distilled it twice and filtered it it doesn't make much difference
Wine maker commenting here: a stinky fermentation points to stressed yeast (hydrogen sulfide smells like rotten eggs or sewer gas) and at 1.070 even with bread yeast the stress is most likely caused by poor nutrient load. Table sugar is a nutrient desert for the yeast. I have no idea whether tomato paste has enough (or any) nitrogen and other essential compounds they yeast require, but you might use Fermaid O or K rather than what over here is considered by most wine makers a prisoner's solution to a lack of nutrients in wine making. Alternatively, you could simply boil a tablespoon or two of your bakers yeast . Not everyone, agrees, but in my opinion, it makes good sense to prove the yeast with a little sugar before you boil it in your microwave. The dead yeast will provide the living yeast cells with all the nutrients they need to bud and repair damaged cells. One other possible source of nutrient is Vegemite (or Marmite) - more expensive than the yeast, but Vegemite and Marmite are basically cooked yeast.
It wasn't a usual sulphur, not that I've ever experienced, so I've quit using the tomato paste altogether and its no problem anymore, I do add some nutes, but I think I also added nutes to this one just to be sure.. I just use sugar, water, nutes, bread yeast and lactic if needed for the pH and its all much cleaner and no stink these days! hahaha Cheers mate! I just quickly googled and it appears Tomato paste is often over 12% nitrogen.. Interesting.. And has a a heap of other stuff too.. According to the RBS analysis, the organic composition of tomato paste normalized to 100 %, consists of 72.4 % carbon, 12.4 % nitrogen and 15.2 % oxygen. Average Tomato Paste Concentration (mg/kg) min - max Na 3574 ± 1277 Mg 288 ± 100 Al 47 ± 13 Si 43 ± 17 P 348 ± 127 S 375 ± 109 Cl 5522 ± 2000 K 3960 ± 1335 Ca 131 ± 35 Ti 2.2 ± 1.7 0.8 - 6.7 Mn 1.1 ± 0.4 0.6 - 1.8 Fe 42 ± 28 18.5 - 83.7 Cu 0.9 ± 0.4 0.4 - 1.7 Zn 1.5 ± 0.6 0.7 - 2.6 Br 2.3 ± 1.0 1.0 - 4.4 Rb 2.0 ± 0.8 0.9 - 3.5
Yeah agreed with the poster above. I have no idea how these tomato paste and kale washes got popular, they are rubbish. I suppose they are cheap, and that’s the primary draw card. Using those nutrients you mentioned, or something like NAB-3 nutrient with HG-1 yeast you can easily ferment up to 18% ABV, and more importantly with way less undesirable yeast by products. That way that heads and tails cuts are much tighter and you end up with heaps more usable neutral alcohol.
I've had a reflux for about 5 years and never used it. Water use is major concern, as well as space for a tank which is what I would want. Renting. The thumper did amazingly well, really surprised me. I don't drink spirits anymore. It's just for fun. Though... Famous last words. Hahaha 🤣
Water is also an issue for me. I have two water tanks, two transmission coolers, two fans and four pumps to keep everything cool. Also, the warm (return) water tank is passively cooled by the concrete slab in the man cave. Four STC1000's monitor water temps in four different locations. Temps remain lower than the tap water. Definitely worth the effort.
Sorry mate Ive been very sick, there will be soon, I can say I prefer just a sugar wash with nutrients over the tomato paste wash, but this one worked just fine, just a bit stinky on the ferment, until it was distilled. Cheers!
Glad u mentioned the smell… In the garage it goes!!
Oh yes!
Teddy Sads fast fermenting vodka recipe is my go-to recipe for a sugar wash. I've also had great results with just sugar and water with the spent grain from a beer for nutrients. Pays to monitor the PH on these as they can drop to 3.0 pretty fast and stall the fermentation. Hope to see more distilling content mate.
The second one I did was half grain and half sugar, came out much cleaner without the tomato paste that's for sure. Didn't stink lol. Tried a few different ones I just made up, saw that teddy one I haven't tried it though. I'll whack it on the list. Cheers mate!
Very interesting video. I knew nothing about this. Tomato paste. Never knew. Im keen to start brewing spirits i think. Awesome Gavin. 😎👍
It works well, but its a much cleaner ferment using yeast nutrient.. but.. you can get everything at the supermarket for cheap!
the Jessie sound bits 😆
I started with dry cane surgery so far the smell in not bad I'm 15 days in still working on 7 gallon pot with 14 pounds of cane sugar
Great vid Gash... keep up the great work mate... cheers 🍻
Thanks for the visit Jman!
Great Video Gash, is there a video of you doing the distillation?
Can’t find it.
I dont think I've uploaded any to the main channel, I've used it about 6 times, surprisingly it goes really well, using my induction plate in the garage, one its going it runs itself, only thing I have to do is put some more ice in the bucket I use for chilling, I need a bigger bucket lol I'll check and see if theres a video of it running on my patreon
This is an old video, and I've refined the process a lot now, I finished way too early with 60% booze still coming out of it! ua-cam.com/video/jEmOWh3N-ks/v-deo.html
Hi thanks for the vid..im a beginner and have been using the turbo wash..but am very curious about the TPW..am going to give it a go...great video😀
Good luck! To be honest while it is very easy with ingredients available from the supermarket, eventually buy some yeast nutrient and then you don't have to use the tomato paste, which makes it much easier and a bit less stinky lol Cheers!
@@HomeBrewNetworkthanks for the reply👍,how much nutrient would I need to use for a 25 litre wash.
When you start on your grain whiskys, if you do that is gash is don't boil out after sparging, as you need those natural yeasts ect to sour the mash off a bit for a better spirit
I've done grain batches but not soured, I will try it for sure! cheers!
Great timing, just finished off 200l wash. Ran 4 stripping runs and a final spirit run. Proofed it down to 42%. In total, about 30l. That should be enough for christmas 😂
Thats my problem lol I dont know what to do with it all lol
what was your ingredient in the 200L wash? im having trouble with this in a 50 gallong barrel....im putting 40 gallons of pure water, 100 pounds of sugar....100 grams of yeast and 100 grams of yeast nutrient...sometimes its fine other times especially with Dextrose ( corn sugar) it stalls and the PH drops to 3.5 which wont work?! help?
@@MrDavesbox1 Hey, for my 200L I used sugar 45kg (99.2lb), tomato paste 1965g (69.31oz), 677ml of lemon juice, yeast 562g (19.84oz). I did have to add a couple of teaspoons of baking soda to bring my PH back to neutral.
@@twiztedplayer5358 wow.......im blown away....you use a pound of yeast? 562 grams is 5 times what I was using....guess i need to try it! Thanks
With a TPW can we add extra sugar to boost the ABV? I have always used a turbo yeast WITH 8kg sugar. Usually produces around 4.2L @ 92%
I am considering using TPW
You can for sure, these days I just do sugar and water and use more yeast nutrient, makes it less smelly. Some add wheat bran but I think by the time I've distilled it twice and filtered it it doesn't make much difference
Great video.
Thanks mate!
Wine maker commenting here: a stinky fermentation points to stressed yeast (hydrogen sulfide smells like rotten eggs or sewer gas) and at 1.070 even with bread yeast the stress is most likely caused by poor nutrient load. Table sugar is a nutrient desert for the yeast. I have no idea whether tomato paste has enough (or any) nitrogen and other essential compounds they yeast require, but you might use Fermaid O or K rather than what over here is considered by most wine makers a prisoner's solution to a lack of nutrients in wine making. Alternatively, you could simply boil a tablespoon or two of your bakers yeast . Not everyone, agrees, but in my opinion, it makes good sense to prove the yeast with a little sugar before you boil it in your microwave. The dead yeast will provide the living yeast cells with all the nutrients they need to bud and repair damaged cells. One other possible source of nutrient is Vegemite (or Marmite) - more expensive than the yeast, but Vegemite and Marmite are basically cooked yeast.
It wasn't a usual sulphur, not that I've ever experienced, so I've quit using the tomato paste altogether and its no problem anymore, I do add some nutes, but I think I also added nutes to this one just to be sure.. I just use sugar, water, nutes, bread yeast and lactic if needed for the pH and its all much cleaner and no stink these days! hahaha Cheers mate!
I just quickly googled and it appears Tomato paste is often over 12% nitrogen.. Interesting.. And has a a heap of other stuff too..
According to the RBS analysis, the organic composition of tomato paste normalized to 100 %, consists of 72.4 % carbon, 12.4 % nitrogen and 15.2 % oxygen.
Average Tomato Paste
Concentration
(mg/kg) min - max
Na 3574 ± 1277
Mg 288 ± 100
Al 47 ± 13
Si 43 ± 17
P 348 ± 127
S 375 ± 109
Cl 5522 ± 2000
K 3960 ± 1335
Ca 131 ± 35
Ti 2.2 ± 1.7 0.8 - 6.7
Mn 1.1 ± 0.4 0.6 - 1.8
Fe 42 ± 28 18.5 - 83.7
Cu 0.9 ± 0.4 0.4 - 1.7
Zn 1.5 ± 0.6 0.7 - 2.6
Br 2.3 ± 1.0 1.0 - 4.4
Rb 2.0 ± 0.8 0.9 - 3.5
Yeah agreed with the poster above. I have no idea how these tomato paste and kale washes got popular, they are rubbish. I suppose they are cheap, and that’s the primary draw card.
Using those nutrients you mentioned, or something like NAB-3 nutrient with HG-1 yeast you can easily ferment up to 18% ABV, and more importantly with way less undesirable yeast by products. That way that heads and tails cuts are much tighter and you end up with heaps more usable neutral alcohol.
Your a lot better off with a reflux still for a natural and just being clean is enough for spirits sanitiser isn't necessary.
I've had a reflux for about 5 years and never used it. Water use is major concern, as well as space for a tank which is what I would want. Renting. The thumper did amazingly well, really surprised me. I don't drink spirits anymore. It's just for fun. Though... Famous last words. Hahaha 🤣
If I do drink it's expensive tequila or rum . And I'll have Buckley's trying to make tequila lol
Water is also an issue for me. I have two water tanks, two transmission coolers, two fans and four pumps to keep everything cool. Also, the warm (return) water tank is passively cooled by the concrete slab in the man cave. Four STC1000's monitor water temps in four different locations. Temps remain lower than the tap water. Definitely worth the effort.
@@MB120478 Wow thats a fair set up mate! Awesome!
Hey mate is there a new episode for this yet 😊
Sorry mate Ive been very sick, there will be soon, I can say I prefer just a sugar wash with nutrients over the tomato paste wash, but this one worked just fine, just a bit stinky on the ferment, until it was distilled. Cheers!