Explosive Debate: Roland vs. Cenk Uygur on Biden 2024 and the Progressive Blueprint for America
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- In a spirited debate, Roland Martin rumbled with The Young Turk's founder Cenk Uygur over President Joe Biden's 2024 presidential run and what could be Progressive's playbook to taking over America.
Cenk Uygur's new book, Justice Is Coming: How Progressives Are Going to Take Over the Country and America Is Going to Love is available on Amazon 👉🏾 amzn.to/46SuBoB
"InJustice Is Coming, The Young Turks founder Cenk Uygur presents two ideas that counter everything we hear from pundits and politicians on a daily basis: one, progressives are correct on all issues, and two, America is actually a very progressive country. Millions of us know that we are a part of something larger, a movement that is already transforming Washington."
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I am amazed that people didn't understand how changes are made. If you don't give the president a congress to pass the bills nothing will change.
Absolutely right. When things get done is when the President has both Houses on the President's side.
Now I do believe Cenk when he says that Democrats are too polite. Their messaging needs to be direct and in your face.
His firebrand hasn't worked for him though, he lost in 2020.
me too, but Biden is going to Wi💙🩵
@@markrchamb Because of mainstream media buried him. Go buy a clue.
@@vickiebonner4181 Upgrade your standards.
@@vickiebonner4181seriously upgrade your standards
First thank you Biden; i dont have student debt anymore.. He talks abt Biden ego but it's apparent he's got the big ego.. he's taking credit for all these progressives that won but couldn't win himself 🤦♂️
which president has ever decided not to run for his 2nd term.. com on now
Don't thank Biden, thank the taxpayer who had to pay your debt for you. The guy struggling to put food on his family's table. FU pay your own way
I agree, Cenk is too sure of himself while putting Biden down. Like you said, what president wouldn’t want a second term. Biden’s accomplishments, along with beating Trump in 2020 has motivated him to keep moving forward- it’s not his ego- it’s getting things done.
Bingo!!!!
I agree my student debt was cleared by Biden
Sorry Cenk, you are losing it and that's why people are pulling away from TYT! You are incredible too hard on President who has accomplished quite a lot in the face of absolutely no support from Republicans! For my money I would promote the hell out Katy Porter, Sheila Jackson Lee, Jared Moskowitz and Jamin Raskin!!
Roland is awesome. Following this guy
I feel Cenk but I don’t think he’s right about Trump winning again. I just don’t see it at this point . But this has to still play out.
How about now 😂
@@213superdhow about now 🤣
Good to see Cenk getting more visibility in Black media. This was a good example in defining the differences between corporate democrat vs progressive principles. One's bought, the other does not have enough money to make a difference.
What it ought to illuminate is that the political system itself needs to change. That is something that can be lobbied for. If Americans want change they need to start a movement for that change
@@bereal6590 The problem is, no one understands this, if Roland and Cenk could unite their resources and explain this to the public, that would be an effective way of getting movement from an ignorant electorate.
@@cbrfast you'd need to start with cross channel cooperation, making a bigger platform, rallies and getting the word out to young people that they must go vote. That's all short term, you'd also need MSM coverage and money to advertise. Long term change would only come about with a strategy to have mam reform so the likes of fox news can't spread lies and propaganda and chance from the current system to proportional representation. All that would require a candidate that not only would have the ability to bring all facets of the left together to unite but also a squeaky clean record. Problem is Cenk is doing this wrong and at the wrong time. He is actively turning off voters and confusing the issue, because the only issue right now is keeping trump and the republicans out. If he gets in all he'll will break loose. It's no good him constantly putting biden down, he is basically trashing the only chance there currently is and imo that's unforgivable. Any other time but not now. Roland is a very level headed guy and sees the pitfalls, Cenk would need to win over people who are far less accommodating or level headed. I hope change can take place starting with grass roots, with unions lobbying coming together finding the right people, culminating in what would be better as another party entirely! Just not NOW
Damn. That hit hard AF. You right, unfortunately. America is FXXXd
@@bereal6590that's the MF problem right there. It's ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS "not now". Well, WHEN IS IT!?!? GUESS WTF IT WAS IN 2016 AND 2020?
Take a damn guess, although you already know the answer. Yep, it was "not now". Because it's NEVER. This generation is the FXXKING WORST
I have no side to pick in this debate.However,it looks like Roland and Cenk are on the same side.They are trying to come up with a strategy of how to make our government more accountable to its people.This is a valuable discussion that I wish I would see more on the so called major networks !Thanks Roland and Cenk for the discussion.
They are not. Cenk is trying to convince everybody that America is less binary than it is. While Roland is being pragmatic about how binary America is.
Now is very, very different the richest of Americans need to pay their fair share, Trump has gotta go, we can take care of more issues after we get rid of the faciast Trump.
I would say that. However, Roland, along with his panels in past shows, have made it abundantly clear that they are not really on the same side. Roland and his panels have made disrespectful remarks about the progressives that have come on his show as well as those who haven't, all the while giving less flack to establishment dems. They continue to question the legitimacy of the progressive platform and those that represent it. He and his panels have taken the same approach of attacking the progressives as the liberal media and the establishment dems. Roland seems the talk out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to the progressives.
@@kathyjones274
Say you do take Trump out of the picture-- how to resolve two wars that have unfolded within as many years?
How to uphold the law the way it should be when subversives whom pundits like these two unwittingly support keep rewriting the rules?
If anything, you'll wind up with even more issues than you think you had when Trump was in office.
They're trying to come up w a strategy to destroy America and oppress whitey
Thank you, Roland, for having Cenk on! We all have to push the progressive policy agenda!
Great debate! This is what 2 adults getting both their ideas out to each other. Nothing like the childish republican debate. Good job gentlemen.
He ain't loudly, overtalkin... hiz supremacist counterpart
@@ChefChevyTv Yawn......and weak sauce trolling must be lucrative. 1/10. Keep failing.
He is worse than a republican
Yes!
@@ChefChevyTvwhich one is the supremacist?
those new Democrats are not whispering especially Rep Crockett
Right on Jasmine Crockett 🦾🦾👏
The new Democrats are not playing, Sorry Cenk, Justin, Justin, and Jasmine. If you take notice all the initials are J. Oh so is Comey, And Jordan,
I would vote for her she is a fire cracker intelligent and no nonsense
I agree..the new young democrats are not quiet at all. We cannot ignore people like Jasmine Crockett, Jamal Bowman, Justin Pearson, Justin Jones, Kori Bush, Alex Ocasio-Cortez and several others. Lately anytime there's been an issue, they've been the ones on the mic addressing it..
@@rayfuller2604 Some of those folks make a lot of noise but don't pass any laws. I'm more impressed by people like Lauren Underwood. No, she's not a camera hog but she's sponsored more bills that have passed than all of the people you've listed COMBINED.
The issue with Cenk's argument is that his argument is basically, let's perpetuate cult of personality politics
Agreed...👍
He has a thick square head.
Great debate and conversation. Cenk makes some valid points. Dems don't fight like republicans. We need a progressive candidate, that's able to articulate their agenda and policies with conviction. Someone who is not afraid to fight. I'm afraid we may never see this person if Trump wins, and democracy is lost. Excellent conversation and debate!
We'll never have that because the Left destroys itself instead of empowering each other.
Cenk may have a point if trump makes it to the general election but, that's a big IF given his legal entanglements
No Republicans don't fight they lie cheat and steal
Roland acting like it's impossible lol he still mad that hilliary lost
@@jerrymarr2288yeah Roland is a smart dude but he is ten toes down for the establishment Democrats for some reason
I love it!!! Great debate against knowledgeable, logical and foward thinking people is refreshing!
Love this debate as well!!! We need to see much more of these a series of Great Debates for the ages could change thing.
I’m sure he’s going to make just as great as his home country turkey, 61% lest year! Islam is the best way to run a nation. Rich king and everyone else equally poor
@@evodiovaz He does indeed make great country turkey. with a side of greecey chicken.
Cenk, maybe you have to be realistic and admit you're not the " fire-breather " either. 😢
@@evodiovazim confused as to what your comment is meant to confer. Is this just racists rhetoric, or are you trying to make an ideological point?
Goodbye Cenk! He is asking to act like the hard right, but call yourself a Progressive! This is just radical and EXHAUSTING! No!
He's saying to push progressive policies more aggressively not " act like the hard right " How did you watch this video and get that from it?
@@robhernandez5520 he is a bad messenger on promoting progressive policies. His inability to make an argument calmly causing his words to have little appeal over his tone. So even if he’s saying just be more aggressive, it really sounds like he’s say me just as vile as the radical right. Either way, republicans will stay radical because that is the nature of them and their supporters. Democrats and the left have too many make ups of their coalition and no hard pushed politician will last long in the Democratic Party. Pressure/passion are different than aggression.
The Democratic party has to much diversity to follow a populist 🎉
@@robhernandez5520Populist work on the GOP side of politics, there's to many diverse free thinkers in the Democratic party...🎉
@@robhernandez5520 cenk is a fraud....only interested in media coverage and being a loud mouth troll... He's nauseating
I don't care if you don't vote or do vote just make sure that when you do vote, the person you're voting for has YOUR best interests.
Vote for one that holds yours and others' interests in mind...
Worrying only about ones own needs, maybe why we're here?
But, no to Fetterman. His stance on Israel is no good for me and those that I know.
Young voters don’t vote consistently..
@@B.White70 I actually like Fetterman, I don't know what he said, but he's okay.
@@B.White70Bullshxt. Everybody else's interest is what we vote for. They've got all of these things done for LGTBQ, Transgenders, Immigrants, Asians, and Jews but what did they do for black people? Where is that Police reform? Reparation talks? you don't think Blk people are supposed to put themselves first for a change?
Good debate held by two informed men in a gentleman fashion.
This was a screaming match on two men talking past each other.
Roland thinks the youth vote is irrelevant, which is silly. Every year the youth vote becomes part of the 30-45 vote and every year the 55+ vote becomes smaller and smaller as baby boomers pass on.
To underestimate the youth vote 8 years out from the 2016 race is not doing your job, RoRo.
@@majorlazor5058
Roland basically said the progressive vote is irrelevant when you go down in age because lack of voting gets higher as you go down from 50 to 18. This is fact, they don't turn our to vote like the older groups.
Being loud online isn't the same as showing up to vote.
you must not listen to much
@@majorlazor5058
You must be watching a different video cuz I don't see that 😂
This was a great conversation. I love both of these guys. They tell it like it is and don't concern themselves with the consequences.
I used to like that guy but
I don't care for him too much now
But
I am a Roland fan😊
Same. I enjoy watching from different points of view..
The difference is Roland understands how the world works. You gotta hold your nose and vote for the candidate that has more positive connections with your own issues than the other, but you GOTTA VOTE. After you vote, the real work begins. Keeping ones elected officials on point. Cenk will talk shit like he knows everything, and wants to yank the wheel of a cruise ship and if it sinks the ship, well guck it, he wants to burn it all down if ALL his demands are not exactly carried out. Roland sees a better future from his efforts. Cenk is an elite dumbass. Ymmv
I’m a progressive, I agree with Roland about we don’t have a movement, we have no strategy. We need to rethink our plan and create a movement. Let say a progressive candidate win the presidency, he can’t do anything without the support of progressive congress. We will be in a stalemate can’t get anything done .
"progressives"/left wingers need to stand down and just ensure that Biden is re-elected to keep Trump away for good..once re-elected then all bets are off!
Progressives are clowns
So we better do nothing. 👍 Cool plan
@@nogrecords I never said we do nothing, we can keep Biden in the White House while in 2024- 2026 we elect many progressive candidates so we have a progressive president in 2028. We only have 10% progressive candidates elected, we need to do more for 4 more years.
Your also brain 🧠 dead
Love seeing the disagreement and agreements between adults and true leaders. These 2 are what this country needs………
Watching this is so frustrating because this roland guy does not let cenk talk. If you watch this interview notice that when roland talks cenk doesnt say anything until after roland finishes. When cenk talks every 2 sentence Roland would interrupt and I cant even heard cenks point. Whats the point of this interview roland, just dont have cenk on and do a rant solo
@@light-rd7vq
Are you full of crap he's talking more than any other guests
An interesting debate that unfortunately leads nowhere, because Roland and Cenk completely cancels each other out. I understand Roland asking the tough questions and being a tough interviewer, but incidentally he's doing what mainstream media does: playing gatekeeper. Whenever a Progressive runs, they are immediately held to a higher standard than any other candidate and have to jump through hoops to prove they're worthy of a nomination, whereas no matter how mediocre the Establishment candidate is, they're immediately assumed to be worthy of the office.
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If he was truly gatekeeping he wouldn't have had him on at all. How often have you seen Cenk on CNN or MSNBC?
@@UndertheNeedle282 Almost never. That's mainstream media's form of gatekeeping: to just pretend as if you don't exist. What Roland does here - and he SHOULD ask the tough questions, but to hammer it nonstop? - is an internalised form of gatekeeping. I'm not sure he's even consciously aware he's doing it.
Absolutely my feeling, well articulated.
Spirited debate, I hope that about one million people will watch it because it is a political education given by both men to be fair IMHO, Americans need more of these talks 💯
AOC is the model: In your face with facts and subtext. She’s the best political communicator I’ve ever seen. The problems are that the MAGATS don’t care about facts and are shameless about that fact; and the media values conflict and spectacle over facts and explanation.
Go Cenk, Go Roland!
AOC is anti black
True Justice Dems should run progressive candidates at all levels of GOVT
They do, and they lose most often.
@@dudeseriously57 they should keep going
Facts!
@dudeseriously57 False. Cenk just proved that in this discussion.
Roland would vote for Hillary again today
😂😂😂
I would too…. Gladly, she was right about damn near everything she predicted on her campaign.
I would. Anybody against Trump.
Yeah he wants to shuck and jive with her on stage again 😅
@@ranma36Hillary the creator of slave markets in Libya is so wrong she lost to a circus clown
Now I remember why I quit watching the young turks ~ a lot of the issues Ghent is bringing up are being addressed by President Biden as I type this comment.
Still faithful to your show and thankful for your voice Roland 💙💙💙💙💙
Great interview from my two favorite folks. I love this discussion! This is how Allies should interact
"Nations don't have allies; they have interests."
Cenk is a narcissist to the 💯%
We condemn and disavow Cenk - the american 🇺🇸 youth.
@@MetatronLux-pk6jo Speak for yourself!
@@MetatronLux-pk6jo No, that's you and the other establishment shills. We American U.S. youth are done with milquetoast politicians. We support Marianne Williamson and Cenk.
Thank you for making the case, Cenk. Bernie, Nina Turner and Cenk have been the only candidates where I have given money because they are not bought by corporations.
Cenk is pretty transphobic these day, do he’s not very progressive. Bernie is the only progressive greasing of those three and who has a shot at getting national appeal
*@ri8tboatr* Yes. So have I. The stuff Cenk is saying Roland will never discuss on his show or touch on the topic.
JFK jr!
@@CarlosBlancas-hg4eh let Right Wingers enjoy his conspiracy theories
@@tellall23 yes like when you get vax you won't get cov..keep swallowing
Love this conversation!!
Love this debate!!! We want to see much more of these. A series of Great Debates for the ages...
Love the show my two favorite people that I trust the news
If you trust cenk then you are unbelievably lost
I Trust Them Too✊🏾💯💯
Naw, Roland Martin thinks like a brainwashed boomer... Cenk Uyger is the new path
Cenk Uyger for president
He's talking about himself and he is saying me me me😂😂
Good stuff Cenk! 💪💪💪
Thx Roland for having him on. 💪💪💪
He should have Dr. Claud Anderson on to talk about real issues that Black People should be focused on. This stuff is not as important, because it's not a solution to our problems.
@studytoshowthyselfapprove8301 the progressive social policies are important for all disenfranchised minorities, there's just no way of implementing them. So you're stuck with a two party system which both hold black people in contempt
Roland Martin has literally asked the same question for the entire interview.
He's trying to get Cenk to understand, there has to be a successful example of progressive leadership working on a state or local level. He has to convince people his policies can pass the house of Representatives.
@@1B2B-ReyA It can, the House doesn't want to do it because those bills effect the rich donor class that keeps these corrupt clowns in power. Which Cenk kept alluding to and Roland had a hard time understanding.
@@1B2B-ReyAexactly
@@1B2B-ReyA But he literally gave an example and Roland was like, "Who else?" The progressive movement just began so why is Roland acting as if it's impossible when gains at the Congressional level and 1 at the state level has happened so far? Roland acts as if it didn't happen in a wave, it's not going to happen at all.
@@tonystone10K the progressive movement didn't just start. Nore the policies they run on. Its something damn near impossible to implement.
Cenk named 11 progressives in the house, amongst 400+ representatives. How do you pass legislation with those numbers. Were do you point and show voters. This is proof progressive legislation works.
Cenk would be the lefts version of a not dumb trump. Im tiered of theatrics and social media presidents. Just do the JOB.
Love these 2 and debating styles🎉🎉
It took republicans 50 years of voting to get the supreme court, be patient democrats, be patient and vote.
Be patient my ass. I'm not about to keep voting for them if they aren't offering anything tangible to our community. If we're not getting anything out of the deal then I couldn't care less who wins..
I voted for Obama twice and all I got was the right-wing Heritage Foundations individual healthcare mandate!
@kreativekulturetv2488 I get something from democrats as a senior collecting my retirement, social security, and Medicare. unlike republicans who would give them to billionaires and idiot dictators 😮
@@OriginalBernieBroI pity you 🤫
Be patient for another 50 years? This is why we never get anywhere, this is why we lose, be patient, my ass! How’s that being patient shit working out?
Why are you so focused on Beto?
That also is a different voting cycle. Since then the youth has obviously been more progressive than say ten years ago...
Because Beto is the candidate that Cenk is talking about and he lost, over and over. The only "firebrand" he could point to was Federman. That's not a movement
Great point!
Great Discussion! Energy that matched energy.
Great debate! I got so excited to see the two of these giants have this conversation.
Giants ? You mean clowns / raging leftists
Me too !
I will VOTE for Joe Biden every day of the year. Trump is just loud and nasty he is just about having power nothing about America's.
You are thoroughly wrong.
its a bot. couldn't even be bothered to remove 'user' from the screen name or type something other than a random alphanumeric string. Biden bots are just like Biden himself, tech illiterate@@timcarr6401
Bidenhas won before I wouldn't strip him of his incumbency advantage
@@ddawawiaw I don't know what's worse, his utter corruption or his mentally-challenged state.
Roland keeps acting like young voters didn’t go ham for Obama. You put out a candidate people believe will fight for change and the voters will show up.
Buying merch or shouting him out on social media doesn't count as votes. If young people went "ham" in every election after Obama, would we have an 80yo president now? Maybe the first female president?
Vote for your future, it’s y’all young folks future to lose. Sometimes you need to look at what the alternatives are. And KNOW you are NOT going to get everything you want. That’s the problem with folks these days…
People keep forgetting that GW Bush and the republicans ran this economy into the ground and we were hemorrhaging jobs. Obama brought the Hope and Change message that America wanted at the time.
Yeah, but even Obama said young people don't allow the old to dictate their taste in music or fashion, but when it comes to politics, they sit back and allow the older generation to dictate the future
Roland has a bug up his butt about the youth vote.
Biden needed 5 Democrats running against him for president to bow out and endorse him in order to defeat Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primary. No serious person can say the youth vote is irrelevant.
great discussion! Solid points on both fronts, true passion, and good points by both of you. Make it happen, fellas, I'll vote for your candidates! :D
Cenk I hope you keep going no matter how low the numbers seem. I don't agree that you shouldn't go forward because the numbers are against you. Dems need to reassess after having Trump come out the blue in 2016... I plan to vote for whomever is against the GOP. It's time progressives / Dems do what the Republicans have been doing for decades...they stick together on the most unconscionable of issues and don't care what happens if they can keep power!
He’s not a natural born citizen, he’s a grifter.
Well said
But what is the number of progressive that comes out to vote. What percentage of genz n millennials that vote every election period? Still far lower than over 60years and above.
There’s a big difference between a thirst for keeping power, and a hunger for gaining it. Progressives don’t have a hunger for power, because a large part of the progressive/democratic party have never had the kind of power that the GOP is afraid of losing. People generally don’t fight very hard for something they don’t particularly want. People on the left desire equality more than power.
How can u support someone who is telling people not to vote for Biden?
Finally, someone came with actual ideas and not just talking points. Cenk's strategy to try to change naturalized citizens being able to become president may not happen, but he at least is trying to broaden the choices people have instead of just 80 year olds that won't be around to suffer under disastrous laws they passed.
No
What disastrous laws are you talking about? You’re putting to much emphasis on the office of president. Congress holds the power, Congress writes the laws, the president only signs the bills. Presidents come up with the agenda. You should actually look up all the policies that Biden has signed that are helping the American people and not the large corporations. If Biden were protecting China like people say then why did he sign the Chips Act which allows those much needed chips for technology being built in the USA. You do realize that will take away China’s power over Americans.
That can never happen!
Ive been a fan of Cenk and Roland for years! I remember watching Cenk and Roland at separate times on MSNBC and CNN respectively. They should do more interviews together.
I don't know if I could handle that, personally. Roland NEVER let him finish one sentence and even tho Cenk answered his ONE (& only) question over and over again, even though he was interrupted every single time, Roland kept coming back to the same question. It was like he had to "win" this debate, at all costs, even if it made him look like a sell out (not saying he is), even if it made him look like he was 🧢 ing for the corporate Democrats (...), even if it made him look ridiculous (in my opinion), he had to win. So he wouldn't move on, wouldn't ask other questions. Wouldn't ask about the court case Cenk would HAVE TO WIN *BEFORE* he could be President. Wouldn't ask him about about what is going on in Florida, with the "Democratic" party LITERALLY BLOCKING DEMOCRACY!!? Stopping the primary from happening and disenfranchising the MILLIONS of democrats in Florida. That would have been so much more of a substantive debate. But naw, Roland has to win, so we were robbed of any of that
@@nogrecords
False 😔
Yeah we gotta give him a thumbs up beacuse he is RIGHT. There are more people than fire breathers.
That’s is a complete lie.
There are not a lot of examples because he's trying to do something new, he's trying to change the system, not having a lot of examples doesn't mean he can't succeed. If Black people think like that, we wouldn't have any 'first Black' this and that.
Seriously
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He will change absolutely nothing
Cenk is a grifter that won't change anything
Roland is conceding to the Status quo Democrat(s) in this debate. Cenk did an excellent job dissecting the current issues within the country. He's presenting himself admirably.
@@James-ob8re That would have been a great response. I wonder what Roland would have said. Would he have admitted, "What do you mean 'my plan'? I'm trying to get a job at the White House by being a Black talking head. The corrupt establishment Democrats are my only way in. I can't have Black people becoming progressive. I need leverage. That's MY plan."
I have great respect for both Roland and Cenk and this is what two people do when they have our interest and democracy at heart. They talk about it and may not agree on everything but are headed in the right direction for this country. I think Cenk could be president personally and if he's on the ballot I'm voting for him. Thumbs up to Roland and Cenk!
Respect for both? Yes. Vote for Cenk? No way.
@@jeanneiisydw6596 Better than Biden and tRump.
@@dreammatch2000
NEVER, EVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER ...
I WOULD VOTE FOR A ROACH BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANY ONE OF THE THREE
BUT ESPECIALLY NOT CENK!!
I'll never understand why people would say such a thing about a person that's not a politician.
Cenk has been fighting for the popular asks through his show for 20+ years. AOC had that fight when she was elected. She was actually part of justice democrats which was co-founded by Cenk. She can turn on the get in your face attitude. 👍
Hi Roland, Thanks for having Cenk on. I like this guy. I appreciate the exchange of ideas and the question you asked him.
The ONE question he asked him, because he WOULD NOT ask him something different despite Cenk answering the effing question Over and Over and Over!..
@@nogrecordscenk will never win. He wasn’t born here. And if u think a naturalized person will win his case a run for president you r insane. Why would they change the rules and let a man from turkey be president.
@@nogrecords Because he doesn’t answer the question,all he offers are excuses,oh the media,oh Beto is not a good example because it’s not convenient,oh no firebreathers wa wa wa!!’🤦♂️
Keep going Cenk. The movement is coming.
This was good. The ‘left’ needs to have more of these debates.
Exactly!!!!! They’re not loud enough on the issues..who gets all the media coverage..Trump!!! We need a LOUD Democrats on top of the POPULAR issues THAT SPEAK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE… everyday people …..this is what Cenk is..talking about!!! but like he said it’s hard to get media coverage when they dismiss you because it doesn’t get views like trump does..Cenk is right
Finally someone gets it! Kudos Rocky.
But the corporate democrats don't want these debates. They run from it. The corporate democrats want to keep things the same so they can continue to shovel money into their pockets. That's why they don't fight for us (the people). They fight for the rich and corporate donors.
@@rockytorontothe media only like trump for ratings no matter what Biden does drama sells that's why the media covers trump so much
Thank you Roland for pointing out how Democrats in Montgomery is getting the job done.
The turk is in the race?😅 He's a spoiler who nobody knows, an atheist, an underdog and believes in trump more than himself😢!
Heard different about Democrats obeying Democratic president. That they challenge them privately, publicly and enough will vote against their agenda to block bills whereas the Republicans may be at each other privately, not publicly and will close rank to get bill passed even if they personally are against it or that particularly version of it in hopes of getting other bills passed.
So yes. It may come down to brain type as to how people see things, how they choose to see things, how they "move" through decisions, manipulate, gaslight, coat ride, go out of their way to be relevant in situations that is so so irrelevant to them to make them think they matter more when they matter enough already but situation or persons gilot in their heads to tell them they're made of glass.
Who expects a person elected into office to not change somewhat especially when they owe no one in congress any political favors to have helped them get elected.
Like mentioned AOC. Media liking her helped her get into office and that alone made her enemies, excluding those who said she did not have enough experience for the position she was elected to.
Why wouldn't she change? We saw some of the jabs and pecking at her publicly. Who can't imagine or have an idea of what was done privately to make her fail, to punish her for "being there", in their group, in their circle, "up too close" to "them". Trying every which way they can to get her to quit? The manipulations. The sabotages.
@@fayebradford5763I know who Cenk is , hes the strongest democrat
@@fayebradford5763who are you supporting for President?
He kept asking which progressives have won state wide. Dennis Kucinich!!! He was in a red state
Roland, why do you seem to be angry at everyone no matter if they’re good or bad people?
How someone could watch this interview and come away saying that ROLAND was the “angry” one is CRAAAZY
He's jealous
WE ARE WAKING UP! IT'S A BRAND NEW DAY! THE DAYS OF OLD IS DEAD!
Cenk is in point 👍
Good debate, but Roland has oldhead energy missing the forest for the trees.
Yep
But if you think about it, it's probably many people that think like him. The best way to answer their questions is with facts. Cenk does that and has a massive following from younger voters.
@@chooseylover1422that's exactly 💯% correct. Roland keeps coming back to this same question in his attempt to "win" this debate, even though Cenk has said many MANY times that they don't exist yet. Cenk is trying to lay out a path for Dems to win ACROSS THE COUNTRY, *AND* the Presidency. He's giving example after example of how this strategy WORKS, & Roland keeps asking "where are those candidates" , like BRO!? WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE??
@nogrecords
No don't get me wrong! I get what Roland is doing, but that's why this debate is so cool. It shows the thoughts on both sides, and Cenk keep giving it raw with no lies.
And I loooooooove Uncle Ro Ro, but on this point I’d have to unfortunately agree with you.
This was pretty darn good conversation between Cenk and Roland
10,000 times the intelligence compared to some of Roland's conversations with conservatives.
@@manicms
Maybe because conservatives are not that Intelligent 😢
Dang I think you got it@@QueenAnitaSoul1 😆
This the problem with populism extrem on both sides. You dont get anything done. If tou actually listen of both side. They argue economically on same issues. You have to really listen and comprise to get something done. Ideally, break up monopolies, most votes win, eliminate lobbying and other things. Get it done if you don't listen to the other side
I wouldn't vote for him
A great discussion of two progressive men. Kudos, great show. Thanks.
Roland is FAR from progressive.
@@emj2068Roland is NOT a progressive he does the old democrat dance
@@primus3601 exactly
@@primus3601So, I guess that means you do the Old Progressive Dance?
@@russellstevens9927 sorry thats not a thing my guy 🤣🤣. ONLY democrats chuck and jive to one tune and don't put up a fight against the conservatives.
Good stuff great points Roland
Our president is out there promoting his policies and accomplishments. The media of the masses is not reporting these speeches. He was in Colorado two weeks ago in Bobert's district and in Wisconsin last week toting the infrastructure bill but the media doesn't show this.
He been talking that since he got in.
@@mainetbeatz2155Trump talked the same shit everyday but the media NEVER missed a single word he said!!! MSM is 100% biased!!! Follow the money!!!
@@mainetbeatz2155 Because y'all haven't been listening. He needs to keep talking so that more people know.
@RSlayer001 he ain't need nobody to listen when sending all that money to Ukraine. He the worst president in history and will lose 2024 by a long slide
What a joke😂
Excellent thank you Roland Martin for bringing on our concern people Cenk Uygur for sharing some of the idealistic truth for creating a stronger Democratic Party for the people.Our world has some men who don't ever see women as strong candidate and that is a problem.
You c an never have a woman be president off the United States because on a world stage, you have to deal with Arab nations that quite frankly don't respect women and the United States can't afford to have that disadvantage
Great Debate !! Best interview online! Roland vs Cenk. Love this Debate!
Cenk U. & his team r the bomb! 💣 I've listened to their shows, and that team of people don't play games! Thank U Roland M. for interviewing this fire-breathing dragon! If nothing else love to hear Cenk U. pound those nails of truth into each 1 of the republiklans' desks of lies! I wish Cornell W. would keep rattling the repugnuts chains, if nothing else!!! KEEP BEATIN' EM WITH FACTS & THE TRUTH!!! Thank U, Mr. R. Martin!
I hate to say it but C is correct. Dems could be further along if only they would show some strength. They have it but don't show it. People like strength. We like people getting in the ring and duking it out. It makes us feel strong. We don't see what happens behind closed doors in a hurry.
Keep saying it loud Cenk!!! Speak LOUD to the issues!!
Like Roland said, the young doesn't vote like they should, don't put the blame on all Dems.
@@hartubmoses6645you have to give them something to vote for. The “this is the most important election” stuff isn’t going to cut it. My life has been no different since Trump left office. Young black Americans like myself ( relatively)aren’t afraid of Trump, because we have nothing to lose.
@@deezerus3899unfortunately kid you have a whole lot to lose, you just haven't lived long enough to understand it yet. There are generations who died just to make sure you could vote, be seen as a human being, and you spit in their face? Maybe this nation should go back to segregation, just so kids like you would understand how good you have it, and how quick it could go away.
@deezerus3899 It's pathetic scare tactics from both sides of the political aisle. Roland refuses to call out the flaws that Democrats keep failing upon, especially when it comes to economic issues. Nobody wants tRump back, but this "backup Democrats no matter what" nonsense, isn't going to fly either. Got to look for better options.
Fantastic Talk!
Every time Roland Martin interviews progressives, he asks the same questions that have barely anything to to do with the policy platform. He always asks how are you going to win. And he harps on it for the majority of the interview. He is always trying to sink the progressive platform.
Sure what it sounded like to me. He's a master conflator. Lol
@@NonyaSmith if you noticed, even his panel completely dog the progressives. They've even disrespected Cornel West because he supported Bernie Sanders.
Exactly. It's quite clear that Roland is on the side of the establishment Democrats. I don't see how people in the comments who aren't even living close to the living standards as the average white person, continue to act as if Joe Biden is an answer. BIden doesn't care about Black people. The average white wealth is 10 times that of Black wealth. Black people were massively disproportionately affected by COVID compared to whites, latinos, and Asians. 52% of ALL homeless *families are Black. A vote for Biden is literally a soul sacrifice of another Black person and Roland is willing to allow those sacrifices because why? For potential job prospects?
Roland just showed how he’s an establishment Democratic do boy. I’ve never seen him go this hard at a republican.
Agreed
I been knew that he's still mad at CNN for firing him and not letting him in the club
Then you clearly do not watch this channel and watch his videos. Just because he gave the same energy to your boy, doesn't mean he's switched up.
Agreed
@nealmike5490 how about that 🤣🤣🤣
This was really a good debate!
I agree with Cenk, Democrats and DNC are too passive in their approach. Current trajectory they could lose their political advantage if they don’t “rattle the cage”. I am that demographic that is a latecomer progressive. Sure I’ll vote Biden - if he is the only choice left to run against Trump. But give me more effective candidate - one who will not settle for marginal gains when the opportunity is ripe for the taking.
Have you watched any House of Representatives videos?
@@sherriebyese8597 Yeah, they're talking about nothing that'll improve anyone's lives.
Liked the "rattle of the cage." Roland's pushback might be a stark cold reality. But his attitude towards the guest was very defeatist. It seemed for the sake of argument.
RATTLE THE F****** cage. Who knows. The hinge may come loose, the lock may have lost its integrity. Roland comes off like he would be the animal in the cage. That goes back into the corner. When you come to open the door to feed him, then waits until you lock it and leave, before he comes to get the food you've left.
@@anotherpointofview222 Yeah Roland appears to be stressing proof of the movement before showing any directional support. He deals in hard facts- is what we expect of him. The move towards a progressive agenda is daunting because without a fully identifiable leader folks like Roland will view it as nothing there to pass the smell test.
@garrettstitt5489
Totally understand, and also your take on Roland's take. I don't know who could pass the smell test at this point. The whole system is foul.
I Definitely AGREE with him! Democrats are to Quiet! Put some power to your voice! They are to nice and sweet! Trump tells everyone to go to H---, the judges, etc.
Justice will be served Trump will go to prison
Whenever any group can vote in a bloc, and decide the outcome of elections, and it fails to do this, then that group is politically sick.
Malcolm X
I'm a watcher of both their shows and love their content! Dropping knowledge
Not much wisdom.
@@timcarr6401 are you sure about that?
@@colbylinton2714 Both of these individuals spew forth lies, immaturity, racism, hypocrisy, and general godlessness.
I absolutely loved this debate.. run together
Roland make a lot of good points running a UA-cam channel is different than running for President, especially if you couldn't win a congregation race, Roland is coming with the facts.
*@emmanuel8739* And Biden losing approval across every demographic. Even mainstream media that often backs Biden is getting nervous about him running again. This is bad. Roland is rolling the dice way too much, and betting on the older generation of voters to get Biden reelected.
Trump won and he was only a reality TV star. So cut the bull
Trump never won a campaign but won the presidency, it can be done
Yeah I agree 💯
Especially since Cenk is NOT a natural born American Citizen to be able to run for President of the United States of America ‼️
Roland is right Cenk doesn’t have a chance.
But Roland is dead wrong thinking the youth vote is irrelevant. Progressive politics are increasingly popular and RoRo knows it. Not a week goes by he doesn’t report on the Squad. These 6 folks are shaking up public views despite their extreme lack of power in Congress. Most of American Democrats opposes the censuring of Rashida Tlaib despite Congress ignorantly doing this.
Now this was a real conversation.
Roland and Jake how do we pull all of this together and make it work? I agree with what’s been said by both of you.
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Love this debate!!! We want to see much more of these. A series of Great Debates for the ages...
Right. I was hopeful but both have strong personalities and love to hear themselves speak. But I really enjoyed this debate. Pleasantly surprised. We need more of this.
Love both these guys
Roland was too critical with his interview with Cenk.
It’s not that he was being overly critical, he is just pressing for answers.
No.Roland kept the same energy he always does with all his interviews. No need going soft just because he's interviewing a former MSNBC tv host.
This is journalism. He's supposed to be critical.
He doesn't need to be soft, just effective and there wasn't enough time in the first 20 minutes introducing Cenk to hos audience. Too much time spent figuring out how he'll win.
But he still talks to them folks with some sense. Something he doesn't do with people who look like him 🤔🤔
Oprah’s endorsement of Obama was significant. Obama’s early win in Iowa was significant. Obama is a skilled orator and people wanted to believe in him.
? For Cenk. If u think u can do better, why dont you go and campaign for Biden and help him get those younger voters and prevent Trump from winning.
Bang Bang! Thank you!!!!
It is sad because Cenk isn't going to win. He has alot of good ideas.
Is he not going to win cause you decided to vote for Biden or you just do what establishment tells you too.
@@ThePoetofpassion That part, right there.💯
🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸UYGUR 2024🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@l.a.sr.2958 I don't vote for religious beliefs! However, I totally understand that Cenk has to win over the older black generation, and I really don't see that happening. Cenk might win the youngest of the Black population 's vote. However, the majority of the Black people I know are tired of the politicians straight-up lying to them. A perfect example is Chicago, where the black mayor used them, and now the black people need something, and he not doing anything. They are so upset they promised to vote Independent or Republican.
@@stevenglenn4498
Cenk is not a natural born American Citizen.
Do you understand the U.S. Constitution or are you on crack
Roland be Hating sometimes and he's not listening 👂🏾 he's stuck on mud
Yeah he wasn't trying to concede even on valid points
I’m not voting Cenk!!!!!
Dude is more delusional than Trump’s supporters.
*@johnsonadekunle7675* Oh right, because Cenk is not a zombie for Democrats or Republicans. Damn, that's weird.
I agree.
@@dreammatch2000
Cenk is running for President of his imagination.
Cenk is NOT 🚫 a natural born American Citizen.
You must be older?? brainwashed boomers hate change even if it's for the greater good smmfh
Awesome discussion, when these two get together. You definitely going to learn something. Loved id, class room settings.
Happy holidays to u Mr.Roland and family😊
Cenk thinks he's the Obama type figure we need.
My man -you're so funny. Just stop it lol
Obama was born in the USA whereas Cenk was born in Turkey. He has no chance against against Biden for Democratic nomination. This is an ego thing for Cenk.
He said exactly the opposite to that!
Why do Cenk hate Biden so much? seems to be personal.
Probably because Biden is trash
He isn't the only one that dissprove of President Biden.
And I didn't vote for Biden, Harris or Trump im 2020.
I left the Democratic Team im 2000 , parcially for what Cenk is saying. Both these Parties are on the same team and ut ain't WE THE PEOPLE.
I dont think it's a hate thing I think it's just a problem of Joe Biden not keeping his word after we fought to make him president and He's just coming off like a lazy scared old man. I mean we made you president so do your job. I understand both Cenk and Roland. I'm A HUGE Fan of both so they both are hitting Very Strong Points
President Biden is doing his job…check his website…
@@Commander2021-or3pn what word did he fail to keep?
Great interview Sir!!!!
Nina Turner really impressed me on the Breakfast Club
Thank you for that information, I didn't know she was on the Breakfast Club. I'll definitely look that up cuz I know she was great. She is someone who has a heart for the people.
Nina Turner couldn't win a statewide election to save your life or her's. She talks a lot of BS anti-establishment nonsense.
Bernie was 80 years old back then..🤣🤣
And he still was the best candidate but his time is done
@@Usmcpb no one said he wasn’t ,but no one complained his age maybe a few people..
@@Staywoke7909 Ironically, mainstream media told the Bernie Bros to shut up about Bidens age. Hmm. Weird.
@@dreammatch2000 that maybe true. the real problem is as long we need 2/3rds in the house and senate nothing will get done and that’s just a fact, so if the president’s party doesn’t control the house and senate with big majority and everyone in the caucus is behind him or her 100%..
Yep! Sadly, Bernie is too old too!
This was a GREAT debate!
Such a hard choice, Cenk is actually motivating and believable. He makes me believe politicians can actually fight for us and not the lobbyists. But Biden is electable, old black people still see Obama when they see Biden and rural white people can easily be turned off by trigger words like communist or Muslim. Cenk is who we need, Biden is who we unfortunately have to settle for
He says what he thinks will work but like a true Progressive it never materializes. All they do is scream what Dems don't do but Dems are the reason they are in the room. Trump and the Republicons treat them like shit and they accept it. They remind me of the little fucking annoying dogs that make a lot of noise but ain't going to bite shit..
But can he win I don’t think so
I don't think so either. It's giving me "Only I can fix it" vibes. Which Roland was right to push back on because they haven't built a sound infrastructure to get it done. They ride on the backs of Democrats then turn around and stab them in it. Look how many times he attacked Biden and maybe said 3 things about the 2x impeached 91 indictment having former president. They make me sick!! @@SpeedinBulletPodcast
@@SpeedinBulletPodcast That's what is so sad about it. Like Cenk said, if Biden does marketing like tRump, then Roland would have an excellent point about the Democratic party in general.
@teebagur,
Why are you settling? That’s the question. Why are Black people thinking of which devil to choose? The outcome with either party always has an ill effect on Blacks. There’s no stopping it. And Democrats were so good, why are Blacks STILL do far behind after all of these years?! We have to be politically and spiritually sane.
You go Roland he will never win
*@katherinehill4568* And betting on a corpse like Biden is not a safe bet. 😐
They said same thing about Trump..Also there would never be a black president 😂
This man spent the first 10 minutes basing his argument around paid family leave when young people honestly pay no attention to such issues.
Over 50 voters have had their children and aren’t trying to have any more. It’s a younger voter issue that older voters emphasize with.
Cenk should have mentioned Nina Turner
Or Ro Khanna. At least he's the original Justice Democrat that come onto Cenks show.
Yeah Nina is my Queen I try to fight just like her
Roland thank you so much and I really am disappointed at Cenk dividing the Democrats at a time as this. Yes there will always be room for improvement but let's face the problems we have before us now.💯 with you Roland.
🍅 🍅🍅
Dividing? Biding is going to lose to trump and I’m a Black Progressive Democrat
@@SpeedinBulletPodcast
Cenk is helping to give America to DeSatan or tRump.
Cenk is NOT a natural born American Citizen‼️
Cenk running for office is DEMOCRACY. We don't owe fealty to *any* candidate. They're not entitled to our vote, it's their job to earn it. People are right, non establishment/third party candidates can't win...if you don't vote for them. That's definitely true. Sure, if it comes down to Trump vs Biden in the general, vote for Biden, but the primary is our opportunity to tell the establishment we're not going to live by fear and stand for the satus quo anymore. Unless of course you like to be ruled over by the corporate class that is the current Democratic party in charge.