Jenny Boyd! Stories of the sixties!
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#1298 Guest: Jenny Boyd | Coffee Talk ADIKA Live!
Bio: Jenny Boyd’s extraordinary life is the stuff of movies and novels, a story of incredible people and places experienced at a pivotal time in the 20th century.
Jenny has spent her life in the company of some of the greatest musical and cultural influencers of the last 50 years - and the journey she takes to finding her own sense of self and creative ability makes Jennifer Juniper a truly captivating and inspiring story.
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We are lucky to have these witnesses still with us, and willing to share their memories and experiences while they still can. It gives a window into a past that most of us could never imagine, and these autobiographies create a very clear view of one person's 'slice of life' of a time in history and culture that truly changed the world, artistically and spiritually. I'm glad that these women are finally having their say, and we can finally hear their side of the story.
If Jennifer Juniper was a song that you loved to hear, and wonder what she might be like; now you can know. :)
Jenny and Pattie led such exciting lives, and both are great storytellers! It is crazy how much they look and sound alike!!!!
She forgot one thing. The Mods were the ones who liked the Beatles. Rockers were Stones fans. They each dressed differently. Mods were dressing more like the Boyd sisters dressed. The later 60s changed it all though. I was a model a teen model in NYC and I was definitely Mod.
Not in England. Mods were not typically Beatles fans.
@@shaunw9270 The song by the Kinks ..Dedicated Follower of Fashion..is a superficial MOD gentleman in swingin' London in the 60s. And mark me down as a former MOD also.
@@bethvirginiaphillips4583 I was a Mod . Still am at heart. Big record collector too, got every 1960's Kinks single on the Pye label incidentally. I'm in England btw, I think American's idea of Mod is a little more "Swinging London" than actual Mods.
Exciting you were a MOD model back in the day. Wow. i probably saw you in Glamour or Mademoiselle, which I read all the time..and 16 Magazine with all the Brit Invasion stars. What a time to be a teenager. Never will be that great again. I have all my original 60's vinyls and would never part with them. Not only was fashion at its zenith but music and culture. And we had the young Beatles from Day 1. If you weren't there no explanation is possible. If you were there no explanation is needed.
My relatives and friends in England of the mid-1960s listened to bands such as The Birds (Ronnie Wood's old band) The Small Faces, The Who, The Dave Clark Five, Marianne Faithfull, The Kinks, et al. They also listened to Rory Storm and the Hurricanes (with Ringo Starr on drums) Vince Taylor, Johnny Kidd and The Pirates, et al. I've always considered myself to be a "Mocker" (a Mod and a Rocker). All the best to you, Jenny Boyd. Likewise, to you, Celeste.
Jenny Boyd and her sister Patti are such unique witnesses to a very creative time in the 20th Century. I enjoyed listening to this so much. All of it. And I was heartened to hear that when Cynthia Lennon returned from holidays to find Yoko in her house with John, she wasn’t alone. She had the support of Jenny with her. Thank God! Becos it’s so shocking. That incident alone is why I have always disliked Yoko Ono. That and the fact she was always pretending to be the same age as the young ppl she was hanging out entirely with in the 60’s. She was way older than all of them. And that’s why she was so experienced in manipulation and manipulating John. And exploitation, faking it. Fact: Yoko was born 18 Feb 1933. Way older than John Lennon. He was born 9 Oct 1940. Yoko was whole different generation. She must be almost 90 now.
Yes, Yoko was an opportunist. She saw a vulnerability in John, and went for it. She was selfish and ambitious in doing that. Like you point out, her years of age, workded to give her an advantage in knowing how to work that situation. She's a manipulator. If I remember right, she had some times that were destitute, during WW2, and I think that forged her into a hard core opportunist. Her artwork was fradulent. It was more about manipulating other people throughs parlor tricks, than real art. John knew this, but liked her audaciousness. He wanted to be led by women. He was used to that, with his aunt. When he found a woman who was compliant (Cynthia) he found no challenge, and no compass direction from her. It's too bad. She was a nice lady, by all accounts.
@@KenTeel You surely nailed it about Yoko! I liken her to a narcissitic sociopath among other horrible traits...
@@sweetbermudaonions60 Yes, I think that Yoko's experience during WW2 really forged her Machiavellian mode of operation. War is a horrible thing. There are many more people affected than just the guys being torn apart. The other part of it is that I think that Japanese culture can be very harsh. That plays in the the equation for her personality make up, too. Thanks for getting back to me.
not only that , but John was EXTREMELY naive .sadly he had no life experience . he was locked in the Beatles craziness for all his young adult life . He thought he could stop the war by laying in bed & smoking weed , while Yoko got inside of a bag. Even Paul has said he thought that was strange
@@computerhog1 LOL John was profoundly LAZY and it was widely known. So laying in bed, ordering room service, etc was perfect for him...as for his wife, whatever...
Strange you haven't heard about Peter Green, he was the one who formed Fleetwood Mac, the record company called them Peter Greens-Fleetwood Mac, he dident want that. He is one of the most influential gitarplayers ever.
wrote Albatros, Black Magic woman covered by Santana
@@lindsaybyron5599 , Santana cover "Black Magic woman" Peter Green wrote it and Fleetwood Mack has the original.
I remember I had bought the single of "Oh Well". The song was in two parts on sides A & B respectively.
Why are you surprised? Same thing could be said about the Bob Welch's and later Welch & Bob Weston Fleetwood Mac with 2 big hits Sentimental Lady and Hypnotized written by Welch. Did you know they took on Savoy Brown's lead vocalist? No. And I don't expect you to. Of COURSE younger people only know the 4th version of Fleetwood Mac, can you guess why? 🎸
Don't forget Danny Kirwan also.
Jenny Boyd attended the same school as me in London all though she was a couple of years ahead. She was gorgeous. She also mentioned a cafe called The Coffee Mill, and me and my circle of friends would meet there after school too. Angelica Houston also went to my school for about a year. It's a pretty famous school called Holland Park.
Fabulous!! Lucky you to attend school with Jenny. Those Boyd sisters were fabulous, as were the times.
Angelica was stunning looking back then, too. She was a model as well, I believe.
They still are in my mind !❤❤
Though I was a 1961 baby
Jenny was one of the coolest rock n roll girls of all time. You never hear anyone say anything but beautiful things about her and how much they all respected her. I love her stories and her personality. Donovan and Fleetwood both adored her because she was not only beautiful but also very sweet and kind love her. Thanks for all the great stories I'm a huge admirer of hers and have a lot of respect as to how she held on to friendships and how she handled some painful times to walk away being friends with all to this day.
Cynthia wrote 2 books. "A Twist of Lennon " and "John ". Both are fabulous.I have both of Pattie's books, Luv them as well. Am in the process of reading Jenny's.
omg these book in spanish too or english only
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Pattie is and was a goddess... and a sweet heart. both. Jenny was and is so cute and a great loving vibe..... she has such a great presence. delightful woman!
I love this woman with a passion. Read her book as soon as it came home after ordering it, and it told me the most wonderful stories about Jenny Boyd.
Actually, Buddy Holly was one of Paul's favourite artist's (even though John really liked him, too), but it is wrong to single John out as the biggest Holly fan in The Beatles.
Paul ACTUALLY OWNS Buddy Holly's song catalogue, and used to have a Wings Fan Club event called 'Holly Days'.
There's a reason they called it shell-shocked in WWII. His inappropriate behavior could very well have come from brain injury. My folks were of that era. I was a mod tween with a brother in bands. It was the best of times.
Patty Boyd's sister she sounds like patty.
Interesting...didnt know Patti had a model sister.
I was very blessed to have received her book signed by her personally to me on Christmas, I truly treasure it she is a wonderful lady and the book has many amazing stories!
Didn't know Peter Green started the band? Shouldn't be surprised really, a lot of people think the Buckingham/Nicks duo made them stars, but in 1969 Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac outsold the Beatles, "Albatross", "Man of the World", "Oh, Well", "The Green Manalishi", all written by Green, all top 10 hits, debut album "Peter Green's Fleetwood Mac" (the clue's in the title) made no.6 in the U.K. album chart out of nowhere in early '68. Green called it Fleetwood Mac because they were his favourite rhythm section when they were all John Mayall's backing band, but McVie didn't leave Mayall's Bluesbreakers initially because he was on a wage there and didn't want to risk leaving that to join an untried, untested new band. He eventually joined about four months after their Windsor festival debut in July '67. After Green left the Bluesbreakers he was replaced by 18 year-old Mick Taylor, who subsequently joined the Stones two years later, but a lot of people make the same mistake they made with Fleetwood Mac and think that Ronnie Wood joined the Stones when Brian Jones died. The Stones made their best records with Taylor "Get Yer Ya-Ya's Out", "Sticky Fingers", "Exile on Main Street", "Goat's Head Soup", "It's Only Rock 'n' Roll", but I suppose Ronnie fits with the Stones' legend better because he's like a mini-Keith, whereas Mick Taylor is a genuinely brilliant guitar player ("The best musician we ever had", said Charlie Watts) Pattie and Jenny were there of course, they know what went down, shame Jenny had to put you right about the formation and early success of Fleetwood Mac though, everybody should know that anyway. Didn't know Green started it, that's shameful really, you should dig that stuff up and listen, then you'll hear whose vibrato Buckingham royally ripped off for his "own" guitar style (which is why Mick gave him the job)
A lot of people think the Buckingham Nicks duo made them stars because to a certain extent the Buckingham Nicks duo did make them stars, much more successful and internationally famous than they ever were prior. That’s simply undeniable. Obviously there was some great output by the band during the previous lineups but those lineups were constantly changing and the band never remained consistent enough as one lineup to become international superstars. That changed with the move to the U.S. and the addition of the new American members. Buckingham never ripped Peter Green off. Peter Green was an influence on a lot of musicians. That’s not him being ripped off. Buckingham earned his status as having his own distinct style and that style began before he had anything to do with the band.
Jenny Boyd is a lovely lady. It's so much fun to hear how life was back in the day from her perspective. 🌟🤩🌟
I’m a huge Fleetwood Mac fan so I’ve read Mick Fleetwood’s book where she helped fill in lots of information. It broke my heart that their marriage didn’t work out but I’m glad they’re still co-parents and friends!
Peter Green wanted Mick's and John's names for Fleetwood Mac so his own name wouldn't be in the band's name !?! Wow. Also, great to hear how wonderful Ravi Shankar was.
McCartney is a huge Holly fan who I think, still owns the rights to Holly's songs. imagine he and Eddie Cochran having survived . we'd have had, in addition to ELVIS, & Chuck Berry, & Bill Haley ,all these Hall of Famers who could all write decent songs.
I love the Boyd sisters! How lovely still they remain,great storyteller is Jenny! I read Patties Book Wonderful Tonite” I believe it’s called?
Look, I have a.intensive book collection as music one,
Until the internet came along.
So my books are all mucked up on various bookcases like a typical person w English blood ( I do FOLKSTON)
I get why anyone would love to speak to either sister hours ,they are sweet kind great soft spoken.
Wow….rock n roll n modelling do mould together.
See how many rock stars marry models!
I will see if Jenny’s book is available for purchase here in Canada in real book yes no eBook normal old people books!
Also lookup Donovan’s Jenny Jupiter “
I meditate on occasion
I find it’s helpful during medical procedures that are tough,….It is indeed useful.
Poor Cyn.
I loved her so much,
She went through it.
Not a bit of meanness in her baby finger.
Yoko & John flaunting their affair in front of her face!
Was Julian with them or likely not,
With Cyn?
Either way that’s trauma to the young boy.
I always felt for them.
I could see the Boyd’s going on on on doing things bc they are smart self confident women at the core of the soul [ after the repressive life of those 1960-1970)
Jenny smiles within herself,too.
I heard that somewhere ……?
Fab interviewer
Great lister!
Back to my cuppa !
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I agree with SHARON. Cynthia's "JOHN" is fantastic. Read it twice. I had a copy of "twist of Lennon" too but somehow it got lost. Too bad cause I love to re-read it too.
I love this book of Jenny’s. She was always so very well spoken and her priority was always with her children. I think she’s being too hard on herself and so are a few of the comments here.
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Buddy Holly. What a super cool guy.!!!
Way back in the hippie era when I was 12, I read Ravi Shankar hated hippies. Because he was shocked by their sexual freedom and drug use. He boasted that he was a Brahman, the "highest caste" I was so disappointed
If that was the case, then Ravi Shankar is a hypocrite because he had an illegitimate child...ie...nora jones
I very much enjoyed this book. I was curious as to why Jennifer didn't really get involved with Donovan? Donovan must have had strong feelings for Jennifer to write a song for her, but didn't seem like they really were together very long. I love the photos of Jennifer & Donovan together by the castle and Jennifer is playing the flute. Seemed like they would have made a nice couple at that time and she really like Donovan's music and hanging out with him. But I don't know how serious they really were with one another to be a boyfriend & girlfriend.
Very good picks. I especially agree with you on The Monkees, Harry Nilsson, and Jim Croce. They were all very talented and (in the case of The Monkees) grossly underrated. Jan Wenner, the founder of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame has an unfair bias against The Monkees and he always has. Don't ask me why.
The Monkees weren't a real band. They were actors. Their songs were written, produced, and performed for them. That's why they aren't in the R&R Hall of Fame. It's as simple as that.
@@tomcarl8021 They started out as actors, but they became a real band when they started producing their own albums and touring. Michael Nesmith wrote several of the songs featured on the TV show, including "Papa Gene's Blues", "Sweet Young Thing", "Mary, Mary" and "Daily Nightly". Micky Dolenz wrote "Randy Scouse Git", and Peter Tork wrote "For Pete's Sake", the song featured at the end of the show's closing credits on season two. They've been a real band much longer than they were actors on the TV show. The show lasted only two seasons. The Monkees have been touring in various incarnations for well over 35 years since the show ended. To say that they were not a "real band" is ludicrous.
@@jeanieruter7416 And also Mike and Peter Tork had ties with the Laurel Canyon musicians; some ended up being rock icons as well, such as Stephen Stills (who had been a friend and roommate with Peter and knew Peter from their folk days in NYC. Stephen almost got Peter's role on the Monkees, but was rejected), David Crosby, and Linda Ronstadt (who sang Mike's song, Different Drum).
Great interview. I read Patti's book.
I LOVE her & her book was SO awesome 👏🏼 great interview
Jenny boyd is a young sister of Pattie boyd, because Pattie her old sister
London in the mid-'60's: I missed my calling. All I got was Minneapolis in the '80's...
And the REPLACEMENTS!!!!
@@robertsettle2590 And Prince
Mods were mostly Smal Faces and The Who fans.
Jenny Boyd is amazing. Highly intelligent and insightful
I love the English accent. It’s so classy and intellectual.
How you talking with her! Awesome!
Excellent interview no butting in brilliant sir
So much infidelity in the life of Rock and Roll.
Very few are faithful..
Jenny's two daughters with Mick Fleetwood are wonderful ladies.
I heard an interview they gave and I was moved at how intelligent and thoughtful they were.
I called a little girl I babysat about 40 years ago Jenifer Juniper and sang her the song.
Really...REALLY enjoyed this discussion. It exceeded whatever notions I thought it would be. Bravo
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When Justin Hayward is asked who he idolized as a youth, both he and Moody Blues bandmate John Lodge answer Buddy Holly.
She's quite extraordinary.
Such a trip my Dad told me long ago that he named me after that Donavan (jennifer juniper)song so I have always been a fan of it and when I Googled Jenny boyd to find and biography on her if there was one and found this video, and saw the cover of the book I thought -hey it's my song and then to find out it was written for her . I can't wait to tell my dad .so cool thank you for sharing .
Immediate Stevie Nicks vibes from the photo - what a timeless look.
True Love Ways is one of my favorite songs
Enjoyed this interview….❤️🎼
A memory from 1981 ,,West London The Dreaton Arms Bar Brampton Road .. a Place I used to hang out in ,,so did Jenny ,, She introduced me to Patti & Eric Clapton who came in ,,
very interesting to find this Vid,, Hi Jenny if your still out there..
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thoroughly enjoyed.!
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She is so lovely
The Mods loved the Small Faces, PP Arnold
Highly interesting !.....Thankfully Stefan not being your usual U.S. hack.
God Bless
Really interesting story teller she is ! Good interview !😘
Yo! Her father came into her??!?? Man. He was strange!!!
I think that she said "came on to her".
Did You Know The Actress Would Be Lizzie Saltzman?
I think your beautiful Jenny
I'm under a rock
She looks like Patti???
Good interview. I was disappointed though because it's an autobiography it seems, and I'm just not that interested in her very much, but in her musician experiences.
I bought her book "It's Not Only Rock and Roll" which is not about her, but her interviews with many rock professionals on the subject of, inspiration of music performance and writing. That's a great read if that sort of thing interests you. It's one of the best I've read on the subject.
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Very interesting.
Surprisingly boring
Interesting.. her moving to Los Angeles (Horray for Hollywood), the home of opportunity for people, especially women, of even the shallowest of developed talents. Her story suggests the when these "opportunities" didn't pan out, she joined the real world in getting training, by going back to college That was a smart move. It's good to have a college degree in a competitive world (and good for development of the mind.) . Now, I'm speculating on some of her history, so I could be wrong on this, but her words suggest what I've said. Interestingly, her qualifications for joining The Beatles and others, in India was: ".... gee... she looks great... " Looking cute was all that was needed by these women. PS: I notice that number of accolades from females, in the comments section. Women are always quick to admire, and celebrate mediocre women, who end up in celebrity positions. Interestingly the only requirement of women, for being with rock stars was to look cute and be a f**k bunny. That was it.
Ken 😂
You sound kinda bitter.
Looks are always what matter the most for us gals here on planet earth in every society. Did you just arrive? 😄
@@websurfer5772 Well, if women just want to be f*ck bunnies, then going with just looks, instead of developing their minds (in addition to looking good, works.) I'd say that picking bimbos, whose only qualification are their looks, is a real reflection on the men that pick them, too. Eric and George didn't require much beyond basic gratification from their women. Your statement "Looks are always what matter the most for us gals here on planet earth" sadly is true. Once again this is a reflection on men, though. They don't require much more from their women (only the smart men, do.) You'll notice that there is a fairly high percentage of college degreed men (Bachelors or above) that have women who are also educated. You asked me if I just arrived. Well I'd answer that question: It took me a while to figure out just how boring it was to be with a women who was beautiful, but hadn't developed her mind. So, in that regard, yes, it took me a while to "arrive." Life is too short to put up with women who look good, but are boring. Intelligent women (and good looking), who have taken the time, energy, and ambition to educate themselves are a completely different experience to be around, compared to just good looking women, who haven't bothered to develop their minds. If man is with a woman, who is a bore, he'd better have a TV set near by, so that she can watch TV (and not have to try to have something to talk about, aka boring conversation) after bedroom fun. A man doesn't need that with an intelligent woman. The conversation will automatically be generated, and quite likely it will be interesting.
Not true , they were intelligent women who were savvy and beautiful .
@@jackiedykins4412 Well going to college showed that Patty's sister had something on the ball, intellectually. Show me some savvy stuff that Patty did.
I don't get women with old faces and young hairdo's...I have a sister that's like that. She's 65 and wears the same hair she had as a teenager.
I like it on her.
Would you rather be looking at some old lady, with no make-up, and the blue-hair look? Yuck!...age sucks, for both sexes.
I think she looks quite elegant.
I grew up in the 1950s when it seemed like 9 out of 10 elderly women wore their grey or white hair tightly curled in what I think of as the “old lady poodle perm”. Awful, imo. We Baby Boom women have largely retained a preference for the straight hair that came into fashion in the ‘60s, and frankly I think it helps an older woman avoid looking absolutely ancient. If you don’t want to look like you’re trying too hard to look super-young, you can tie it back or wear it in a French twist.
@@christinepaige2575 agreed! 68 here, and it's still mid length, you can see it in my profile pic.
Stevie nicks there isnt a day or night that i dont think about getting to know you better. You are very special to me and veryvmich to know you better even though i dont know you very well.i would give yo my phone numbetvif you want it. I would hope youd give me yours. I live i downtown south bend a cross from the morris. I live on the 11th floor. Everything you do is perfectvand beautiful.kisses and hugs to your beautiful self.
Never heard of this broad
@T Z Swing baby, you're Platinum!
LOL
She was Mick Fleetwood's first wife.
Never heard of her? Read her book.
sorry but her teeth? are you kidding?
They run in her family. Patti’s are even…more so. It didn’t seem to matter when they were quite young and their faces were smooth and gorgeous. They apparently have come to terms with it and let any unkind comments just roll off them.
Good Grief...the woman is aging fine for a 75 year old...teeth and all! Would you rather have to watch and listen to Madge/Madonna for the next hour?
@@hjs1378 Well said, I saw Madonna with those awful grillz on her teeth, now there is an awful way to age! ... Jenny is still so beautiful. Being older does not mean you have lost your beauty, it has just changed. Only thing that helps everyone on Zoom is to put the camera up at eye level or above; if you are looking down on it it is generally less flattering than if the light and focus is on the top part of your face.
Wow. Shallow and superficial much ? I don't know her or this music , I am a product of the NY hardcore scene , we love everyone for their heart and minds. We don't surround ourselves with opinions like that .
Poor girl. I always thought she was living in the shadow of her older sister Pattie, and quite jealous of her being the amazing muse she was for Eric Clapton and George Harrison.
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How boring. Do something and then talk about it, not talk about other people doing what you haven't done.