The Cheating Drama in The NNO Tournament is Embarrassing...
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Meanwhile Azzapp asked for pause because enemy seemed AFK for 2 seconds XD
Is that a bad thing?
@@WhitePinkBlack no he is saying that because Azzapp probably thought that something happened to the enemy team(internet issues, etc...)
@@WhitePinkBlack it means Azzap literally cared about the enemy team player and decided to give him a chance to get his bearings.
@@WhitePinkBlack quite the opposite, it's just funny to compare that in the same game player in of the teams acts completely fairplay where some wouldn't and like an hour later enemy player does ghosting
@@WhitePinkBlack not at all. Azzapp was a model player respecting fair play for the same team that included a cheater
"I just say stupid things for hype" is such a similar defense to the "I just lifts my mouse (and the cursor keeps ending up right on my enemies head)" from csgo
I came here to learn a League lesson and ended up with a life one. That's good stuff Azzapp! Keep going mate!
I remember during the online era of CS during lockdown that a few teams were caught watching the streams for the tournament. Obviously there is a delay, but it helps immensely with knowing your opponents economy and seeing how they are setting up every round. Made me have a lot less trust in online tourneys.
"they peak on stage they get in trouble" lmao regi punching air right now
There is a universe in which Azzapp and Yamato were picked for the same team. I legitimately want to see what would happen if Yamato lost his shit on our boy's team, I am just curious about how that interaction would go, they're such polar opposites
Yamato screaming and crying and Azzapp probably just muting him so his toddler rage isn't heard on stream is how it would probably go if I had to guess.
Wait me confuzed... didnt you team win 3 out of 4 games? So why would your team be kicked??? Or was that not in the tournament? The stream yesterday
Chad behavior.
Respect for not hooking Vel’koz. Even with money on the line the tournament is held up by some level of mutual understandings and there’s no reason to not play fair. I wouldn’t get mad if someone hooked there either, just impressive maturity and social awareness from azzapp (which is why a lot of us watch him anyways).
I was looking for a comment talking about that. Thank you for mentioning it. His whole team were telling him to hook but Az earned so much more value by not hooking than the 10k. Huge respect to ZapZap.
nah but spearshot is fucking based for instantly calling him out like that
Until he started going after Caedrel for talking to Baus, ending with saying stuff like "technically it wasn't in the rules to not go into opponents streams." So no, F him
Yea… I understand trying to play both sides as Spear here, but he REALLY took it way too far.
He is just a BASED GIGACHAD
@@OllieJsonable afaik thats just his character, I dont think he 100% m,eant it
@@h4roeverynyan55 then he's just as stupid as he claims natty to be...
Azzapp would never cheat. He would just say "no ff, can win" and proceed carrying his team.
Damn son the glaze went from 0 to 100 before I could notice
@@Samy-j9hfellas is it glazing to enjoy a dude on his own channel's vids?
@@nidium1951 ofc it is, it's embarrassing and even more embarrassing when you like your own comments 😂
@@nidium1951 of course, positivity is a bad thing.
@@Samy-j9h u sound like a loser
This man feels like fresh air for this game, I havent played in years but I know how competitive and toxic it can get. With money on the line and he doesnt want to take advantage of an unmoral situation (velkoz dc on game and he doesnt abuse it), it almost crosses the line of people being too good. Extreme respect for Azzapp and wish you the best of luck in life my friend.
RARE W youtube viewer/comment!
He gives me VoyBoy energy. I miss the boy genius
Soyboy is a fake virtue signalling cuck@@MikeAsbestos
"a toddler not understanding the situation they created" bingo.
At this point we are watching the Total Drama the League Edition
the total drama brainrot..
This is the Dark Souls of Harry Potter of Total Drama of LoL
Agurin's response was TERRIBLE! After kicking someone for being mean, they leave a cheater and that team that cheated instead of DQ;ing the cheaters and giving the victimized team their slot.
If it was him or his team getting ghosted he would've dq'd them instantly
@@Archielolol Yeah agurin is a hypocritical moron
@@Archielolol I think punishing Spearshot's team by DQ'ing their biggest asset (1st pick in draft) over this is unfair for them. They shouldn't be punished, only Natty should.
@@Archielolol no he literally says the opposite in the clip. If it happened to his team he wouldn't dq. Thats incorrect decision in my opinion, but he would not change his mind if it was his team or not.
he still mad losing to dantes XD
i bet part of agurin's response is just bc hes salty he lost to dantes. hes personally no longer in the tournament so he just wants to get it over with. this mf would 100% be pissed if it happened to his team instead.
Holy shit clown fest tournament
First Yimit and Ikant, now NattyNat
I know yimit was dq for being toxic, but what happened to Ikant?
@@xXxLuismaxXxdidn't want to play anymore after being permaflamed by his team and yimit
I mean to be completely fair, that dude was horrible lmao @@sirspike4560
@@sirspike4560 deserved
Yimit did nothing wrong.
First, gringolao, now this? League streamers can't play on a competitive 5 for the most part because they will always resort to sniping, conploting, cheating, target bans, ghosting and everything else. And if this is not enoguh, event runners take the worst decisions posible.
Truly a shame that we cant have a proper streamer tournament.
Target-banning is 100% legit, why’d you put that in with the other legit complaints?
Personally don’t mind target banning when it’s legit the format of the tournament and meant to punish onetricks in competitive.
Because humans are greedy. When there is money on the line ppl will cheat
by target banning they prob meant banning the comp they'd go for btw
and what are these "worst decisions pos[s]ible" that the event runners took?
You cheat, you get banned. That simple. Reasoning doesn't matter, you still cheated.
Cheated by what rules?
I remember seeing the games live. Whats funny is Azapp actually pointing their team's AD carry being AFK after a pause and not going for the kill even when it was free in one of the games. And in return what they get is this. Actually fucking disgusting.
Azzapp Gigachad for pausing for the enemy, big respect
Spear shot doesn’t deserve this heat he should drop natty and fill the spot or drop the team out of the tournament, natty should be barred from playing in tournaments too, it sucks it had to be spear shots team…
i mean where you will find another rank one jungler who is good at pickong comps natty is the guy who picks comps for them Sadly spear is a onetrick
I dont know what the format of the tourny is, if there is a "losers bracket" then the organizers should DQ Natty and send Spearshots team into losers bracket, TheBaus team the win there, if its single elimination, then organizers should either DQ Spearshot team or if TheBaus team is okay with it,DQ Natty and do a rematch.
While its true that Spearshot is not at fault, he is the one that drafted the players, and the team wins and loses as a whole, if the format doesnt have room for simply DQing the jungler, then they have to drop the whole team.
This whole thing makes me wonder does he always streamsnipe? If he can lie when he was caught in 4K, why wouldnt he do it to climb?
EXACTLY. its like nattynat doesn’t realize what he did implies.
The worse thing is that he played in the emeamasters last split. So I really fucking hope he was not ghosting there cause a lot of drafts were insanely fuckign good catching teams off guard.
He's a rengar player. Of course he fucking streamsnipes.
@@gdbluefirre6749 If he is willing to do it in a streamer only tournament he's obviously done it many times before and feels comfortable doing it.
wow just BLATANTLY CASUALLY says it like that???? NattyNat's brainrot has reached extreme levels
obviously because he was trolling are u dumb
Respect Azzapp from his nonbias opinion through this fucking cinema of a tournament. I always liked this guy, not FF every single game and thanks to Bausffs I would never know Azzapp if it weren't for him. Kudos Brother!
he got caught on video and denies it is just crazy. Very insane how the organizers did not kick him from the team. Ghosting is arguably unfun. we have the yamato case and dq, but I think ghosting is way more insane to let it go unpunished
dq is drutt? he case was ryze has a bug this patch tho
nemesis team asked if they could swap ryze pick or if team xpetu wanted a remake, petu said they didn't want remake and drutt could swap his pick, drutt is one of best kayle in the world so kayle is in his pool and that was inside the rules
@@Vindenci This is a pretty easy dq in most comp tournies. If a champ is "disabled" and you pick it, and then dont remake, thats a dq
i'm kinda new to league can u explain to me what is ghostin?
@@Josef_1186watching someone’s stream while they’re playing, typically to gain information you otherwise wouldn’t have. Also isn’t exclusive to league
Here we go again 😭😭😭
Can't have anything happening in league without ample drama to top it with.
Yamato being... Yamato
Someone cheating and not getting DQ'ed
Whatever the fuck is happening in Nemesis' team
What's next?
@@markpiper6382 what happened on nemesis team?
@@umasalada5516 The team had drama even before the tourney started. Aribo and LilTommyG had ongoing beef. Now Drututt and Aribo have beef, each accusing the other of griefing and being useless. It's gotten heated to the point where even Nemesis has lost his cool on multiple occasions.
league streamers 1 minute no drama challenge (impossible)
true
Honestly I think at this point they are doing it on porpuse, because there is no content in league
@@mkvieod8308 I don't disagree with you, but there is no content in any game.
So basically what we learn from this is that people don't wanna run tournaments at this point if this continues. We had the Yamato Case, the thing with Druttut in Champ Select where he played smth different then everyone else and now this. I am German and watch the NNO Cast for years and I can imagine they will straight up cancel the whole thing to save their own nerves.
Druttut picked another champ cuz ryze is bugged its that simple
@@scuffing I didn't know about it but makes me wonder how nobody in the Team knew about a bug also doesn't excuse the other cases and happens which could happen in the future as the seed of distrust is there.
@@Blueamin1 new patch, nobody except nemesis really plays ryze on the team. Nemesis didnt play ryze on the patch. It's unlucky for xpetu team but nobody knew he was bugged until chat pointed it out
@@Blueamin1 iirc, they even asked enemy team if they are ok with the Ryze swap due to bug, and they said it's ok, they will still go Yasuo
@@wojter322ify where do you watch these matches, is there a video?
Honestly, I always love when streamers collab and this tournament was such a cool Idea but now it just seems like every day there is new drama and that's kind of annoying. And the fact that, so far, they haven't done anything against this incident is just sad, i love all the guys from NNO but i can not figure out why they wouldn't act on this...either way still wp and hats off to you and your team!
If they don't ban the team entirely it's a travesty. Cheating can't be tolerated and maintain interest in the tournament. I don't want to watch cheaters, I want to watch a fair game.
a rengar main not playing fair? trully unheard of!
what does this have to do with picking rengar lol? it just one dude
@@bearpowder8807It's a thing. You don't ever hear "toxic Shen players" but a simple Google search will give you the lore on the toxic Rengar pattern, same thing with Draven.
r u saying rengar op? u r delus
@@bearpowder8807 He's probably referring to the fact that Rengar mains generally act like pieces of shit, Scrubnoob and Dekar for example.
It's the same way we meme on Jax and Kassadin players.
@@SCK-47 im saying a single instance of muscle memory is not skill, im saying uninteractive point and click statchecking in solo q does not warrant lp. Rengar is a design dumpsterfire and he is ONLY viable when he is a balance dissgrace. Diving has become way too user friendly while also being too heavily rewarded. In conclusion rengar players are eloinflated, and yes picking that champion in solo q should be considered lowkey cheating.
Mean words=Ban Cheating=Zzzzzz
they're just like riot lmfao
tbf Yamato should have been banned, he literally cyber bullied his adc off the team. But the organizers showed that they don't shy away from banning people. I can't understand why they wouldn't ban blatant cheating.
@@ragefacememeaholic5366 Yimit getting heated over an ADC legit Hardstuck D1 meanwhile other teams have Challenger or GM+ players is a bit heavy handed but fair.
The team was highly unbalanced and Ikant was the n1 reason they were hard losing every scrims.
@@FarnesV yes but yamato doesnt need to flame vielglück ingame. litearlly doesnt change anything. we are talking about scrims and hes flaming him ingame making him performing even worse.
but its true that vielglück is a jinx otp the most broken adc and just stucks for no reason. litearlly an npc
@@FarnesV Are you stupid? Every team has lower rated players, thats why they do a draft. So you pick high rated players first and then you fill with lower rated players and you play around that fact.
Not true every team have one player master tier and dantes choose the team so blam him not the adc @FarnesV
kek caedrel is literally baus team's coach. but caedrel can barely fit coaching into his schedule so baus made him a deal to only call when they really need help. and that one call on stream was that time of need. even then, he muted himself and only typed in dms when he was providing sensitive info for drafting guidance to baus. all the info he worked on to provide help was literally him just looking at the enemy's opgg, which is public info. like omg i was literally watching baus when that call happened and i was there too when caedrel was ranting mad about this yesterday
Whats the poijt of you typing all this
@@matthewskullblood9778 prob didn't watch full video and thinks it's because of the Cardrel conversation this is happenin
@@GarboGamingVideos huh
How are so many league streamers getting all of this so wrong. Can't tell if it's lack of drama in the community forcing them to blow up on tiny things
For context I hardly play league let alone consume the content these days and thank god I don't watch any of the streamers, so I have no bias or leg in this race
but this "drama" was so braindead I couldn't stop watching the trainwreck.
Every league streamer lacks incredibly important cognitive brain functions and it boggles my mind how the community idolizes and imitates them
1. He clearly didn't stream snipe, they didn't mention playing quinn tf before he said it
2. The chatter was the soul reason he said it and meme'd deep for it, evidenced by how the chatter sent the message not long before he said it and reference point 1.
3. Why AREN'T they playing on a 5-10 minute delay if you care about the possibility of steam sniping this much
Streamers have all figured out that even 10 second stream delay is TERRIBLE and kills the stream, you won't find almost anyone that even does 10 seconds let alone 10 minutes.
Just because someone says that in your chat doesn't mean that you didn't cheat by stream sniping and if it actually was that, why didn't he IMMEDIATELY when called out about it say he was just memeing and a chatter said it? Why did that only come out later after the drama built up? In my eyes it's because he actually stream sniped and when caught he searched for a way to lie about it otherwise he would've came out about it right away after others acted so serious about it.
Yamato yells: Instant DQ
Natty literally ghosting enemy team: "........." - Mods
Yamato rages like a child, like he always does so no idea why they even invited him if they didn't know he would babyrage when interacting with another human.
It's crazy they didn't DQ the cheater though.
“For fun” is the one thing this tournament is not. It’s been nothing but drama which is great for the content creators. I mean look how many people made money off Yamato’s situation by just reacting to it
It is just stupid. Lost trust and respect for multiple streamers whose content I enjoyed in one fell swoop. Agurin saying this dumb shit, then spearshot saying "its a good business move if they disqualify us" instead of holding his cheating teammate accountable and then on top of that blaming the team that got cheated on... it is beyond ridiculous
Spearshot did hold him accountable tho he just said that he doesn't know who he can actually trust
these comments are crazy running with allegations. i barely watch or know any league streamers however it took me 15minutes watching the vods to realise there is no way natty was cheating. also for the 4 second clip of nidalee karma if u watch the full vod he actually says nearly karma talking to brohan cus he jokingly picked chogath. not ONCE did they mention exactly what the other team wanted. asking for a rematch after losing fairly is crazy.. cant even take a loss without grasping at straws.
You make such a big deal out of it. Trying too hard to preach and be the moral man. It was a mistake by natty but it's obvious there was no malicious intent. He should get punished a bit but just move on then. Why all the yap about longterm consequences.
the appearance of impropriety is worse then actual impropriety. that's PR 101
I feel bad for the $$ midbeast spent to get over to Europe
He's gonna be fine. There's still a lot of content to be farmed in EU Solo Q
i like how this tournament exposes how rotten toxic and degenerate some league streamers and their communities are, just massive losers feeding off toxicity and drama
Him saying he didn't do it is the nail in the coffin. DQ him. Shows no remorse. Why wouldn't he do it again. He clearly doesn't care based on his response.
Now we'll need to do the never FF mentality IRL
2 moderators when games are happening, in the call with the players, everyone shares their screens, mods make sure they're not sniping. Everyone can thank blame nat for them being treated like that 🤷♂️
Nah, because they can use their phones or second monitor. The only way forward is with a significant stream delay (>5min), warning to all players to hide critical information from streams, and allow opposing teams to essentially ghost the delayed stream, if they want to. If you build a 10k tournament with 60? 80? players that technical has the ability to snipe, there will be one Nattynatt or Agurin or Spear who think it's ok to cheat. Besides, information can passively leak through twitch chat, which is also what happened here. It doesn't matter if the information came from chat or Natty himself. What matter is that Team Spear were able to get the information. It shouldn't be possible.
Yeah just disqualify them and shame that guy publicly please
Lmao blatantly showing midbeast follows you but you don't follow him back, stay toxic king
Brate pratim te toliko dugo i nisam znao da si iz Bosne😂, pet puta premotavam "Im from Bosniaa..."
Na mjestu si kao i uvijek poz
Damnn streamer being objective and logical? wtf is this
They should have just picked the participants more carefully. On one side you have communities like Azzaps, Noway4us, Baus, Midbeast who have ,,normal´´ communites that enjoy normal gameplay based content. On the other Hand you have communities like Yamatos, Dantes, Ratirl, Fence Barcode who legit feed off toxic content and dramas. Thats how 50% of the League community sadly is. They want drama, emotions and toxicity. If you bring these Kind of communities or personalities into a Tourny you need to expect them to characterize these behaviours. Im German and i follow NNO since its created. None of the creators or Owners stand for toxic behaviour and upmost the Orga itself doesnt stand for it. In my Opinion this Tourny was a big Blunder by whoever was responsible for picking the participants.
How dare you bad mouth mr irl after his passing. So disrespectful. His dying wishes were that you huff copious amounts of copeium.
Didn’t you already explain the reason why they added them? Maximum possible reach is only possible with a diverse streamer and viewership.
@@Definitely_Melnyx Wouldn't want diversity that much
@@Definitely_Melnyx It's okay to have different personalities come in to the tournament, but they don't have to be a moron and ruin the event.
Idk if you dont watch rat or only say his community is toxic because hes friends with fence and yamato lol. He's genuinely more chill than most players in the tournament
But they also have minions that watch the stream and then they write messages on phones about the enemy team. There is so much cheating.
dq or 2-2
Make a reaction with spear shot video
well this tournament is trash idk if they are just unlucky or incompetent
So they dq Yamato cause he was being toxic, despite knowing who exactly Yamato is and how he would behave but they wont dq a ghoster cause "if you dont want to get ghosted, dont stream"? Lmao
Dude Azzapp makes me strive to be a better person because if it were me, I would've hooked that velkoz
Why would you listen to a normie random who got attention for the first time in his life so he decided to escalate the whole situation FOR THE VIEWS hahahah . imagine thinking bro is ghosting while the WHOLE CHAT IS SNITCHING STRATS ANYWAY lil bro . ah bro normies got yt channels and all these days .. just kiss buddy
A man of his word, playing for the sport of it. Respect to you
The pause cuss Velkoz dc´ed is a very good example of sportmanship. Very respectable. Stream-sniping should 100% get the team instantly banned and all teams that lost vs them are now back in the roster. It´s a very dirty way of cheating.
Talk about a total lack of self-awareness. He 100% cheated and nothing past that makes any difference. He cheated and the tourny admins either ban the entire team or they ban him else the entire tourny is a joke. If the runners decide to do nothing more than banning a champ the rest of the teams should withdraw all at once.
100% DQ if not then they are insane
Ever since all this drama, the only thing I've cared about is the immortalization of-
"Azzapp is a respectable human."
Heard it so many times from reusage of the clip, and honestly the more I hear it the more it rings true.
Its soooo damn funny how streamers are streamsniping. Every streamer crys when he gets sniped, meanwhile they streamsnipe each other all day. Yes ofc there is a lot of money on the line but please can we keep a little bit of human dignity when we play some video games? Even the whole drama after the streamsnipe is weird. Bro u streamsniped....ok dick move. Admit it and just take the L.
there will always be chat hoppers,
there is 3 min delay to destroy any ghosting and stuff.
natty is just stupid he didnt ghost they proved that + no rules against that anyways (Nice rules NNO)
Spear being a fucking LEGEND as always
The guy blames baufs team afterwards and says there's nothing wrong with sniping.
quinn was baus #2 champ for a long time, and midbeast built his brand on study dopa tf.
and this guy admits to obviously cheating to share this base level information. even if he did stream snipe for this information, the blatant admission of doing so was much worse than the impact on the game.
Agurin banning Rengar or asking streamers to mute themselves makes absolutely no sense. And he’s one of the best challenger players? 🤣 ik ik, there’s no relation but bro isn’t using his brain.
Yea stream sniping a tournament banning the player would be a proper aspect
Out of all people to streamsnipe its baus? Bro he is baus. Everyone knows how he is gonna play. Baus sees waves and nothing else around him😂
Aguring saying the whole thing about being possible ghosted is fucking crazy lmao, bro doesnt even give a f
10:30 core concept of PR is that perception is reality, it doesnt matter how true it is or mot when they say they didnt cheat, if everyone thinks they did, thats whats real. Sad but true.
I'd listen to an Azzapp Podcast just because of how his insights and principles work.
Absolutely agree with Azzapps take. Nothing to discuss here 🤷♂️
Honestly yall are making it more deep than it really was just let the teams talk it out instead of getting pressed on smthing yall have no control over
this tournament is full cinema
All that crying for a desperate rematch, you guys need to learn take losses.
Agurin's response is weird and doesnt even get to a conclusion ^^ Natty gets kicked, team gets through and replaced, or the 2nd option is to punish the whole team for supporting Natty(the culprit) because such a behaviour is bad for the whole community. Those are my 2 cents about it ^^ Edit: If u personally decide to put a person as Natty in your team, you want such a person to be on your side,you want to have a cheated advantage. The intention of having such a person on your team is just as bad as the person who pulls it through.
wtf does this even mean lol its not like natty was known for ghosting before the draft you sound stupid af
That doesnt even make sense. Unless Natty has a reputation for ALWAYS cheating, then how is it on the rest of the team. Punishing the whole team for the sin of one person. The captain even said during the actual draft to go with what they had planned and to not stream snipe. It makes the best sense to just DQ the person who is the problem similar to what they did with Dantes team. Hell, Bausffs (the captain of the opposite team ) thought that it wasnt even a big deal. MidBeast and Caedral are just salty cuz the former had to travel irl for the tourney and the latter was coaching the team.
PS: I never watch streamers so I dont know if Natty has a reputation for constantly cheating, but if he DOESNT then you have a braindead take.
@@KhanKhan-kn4xw Lets Just say he ist on one Level of toxicity like Yamato at the Moment. Ups and Downs where there but current Natty is Not someone you would enjoy a good evening with. Edit: And i cant Imagine that they didnt knew, Natty has skills ingame, thats what he got drafted for, but social? Well..
@@FirekingBarong I see.. Again I dont really watch any streamers just watch the yt videos really so I dont know much about the Natty person, but if he is Known to do despicable things in tourneys then I guess there would be partial blame for the rest of the team.But then again if he is a known cheater, why did the tourney organizers even invite him.
Well I mean obviously they didn't know he was going to be a cheater beforehand. Being a bad person socially doesn't mean that you are going to be a cheater, or else people like Yamato would never be able to even get into a team. As long as Spear and the rest of his team isn't in on the cheating, I don't think that drafting Natty puts Spear or his reputation at fault, contrary to what you are saying, even if their team is DQed as a result.
Crazy how being toxic gets the insect man banned but he legit cheats and he doesnt?
Tell me, what evidence you have for that Naty was cheating?
Funny thing is, all those informations were wrong. They didn't play Quinn, and TF was picked but not even on the game were Natty said he got inside info. The whole coaching situation with thebauffs and Caedrel was just "leaked" by viewers, even Spear came to know of this during the stream.
Ultimately, it's impossible to ghost when there is a 3 min delay on the streams. And it's not like the TF pick for midbeast and the Quinn pick for thebauffs are secrets for anyone, it's not like Natty got info on some secret pick that were only trained off-stream.
Now all I can see, especially with midbeast, is dishonesty. You guys didn't expect to lose to their team (reference to all those things one of your mates said during draft, like after game one without yasuo on brohan or pantheon on Spear they would walk like clueless monkeys), and so did your viewers. As for midbeast, now he's fuming cause he came here after 30 hour flight to get knocked out of the tournament day 1, so now there is this desperate attempt to stay in the race and doing the thing he excels at : milking content out of drama. And since both thebauffs and midbeast are concerned, their community is ganging up on Spear's team to discredit them.
The funniest of all : Spear's team ended up LOSING the game where Natty supposedly cheated. Then they proceeded to win the remaining one. Your team lost fair and square, and you just have to take a step back and analyse the "cheating" to see how ridiculous it is. Hats off to midbeast who even dared to ask for a full rematch at 0-0 with rengar banned forever. Not classy at all, even shameless when you lost 3 games, not even close to winning.
I really like azzap and thebauffs and I'm sad to see that there is so much intellectual dishonesty to the point where you just stop at a clip that says he went to your stream, and don't try to understand how he could "ghost" with a 3 min delay, and that his information weren't even accurate at all.
Ultimately none of these matter, whether natty actually ghosted or not, whether it gave any advantage or didn't give any advantage etc. Only thing really matters is him saying "I went to their stream" like after saying something like that entire trust is lost both for him and his team it's just a dumb mistake but it really sucks for both sides. Team baus understandably have doubts because they legit have video proof of someone saying that, team spear says natty didn't ghost just made a mistake etc. and natty honestly handled it all terribly in every aspect possible. Most logical option would've been instantly disqualify natty and remake the games from 0-0 with a new jungler because that also teaches everyone and future tournaments to not make an easily avoidable mistake like that.
@@komolokko5117 completely true and I also agree with the DQ, but come on man remake at 0-0 ? Nah that's way too unfair when you consider that the supposedly "cheating" didn't even advantage Spear's team. First game you can rule out "cheating" cause it was classic OTP picks and taking others OTPs, and it was not even a close game they got stomped. Then second game was classic 2nd choice pick and OTPs that were taken by the enemy the first game (as an example bauffs took Sion while Spear took Gnar) and they got even more stomped. 3rd game is the incriminating game (let's recall that natty's infos were completely wrong again so no advantage acquired) and Spear's team got smoked. Last game was just draft diff, and if you watch vods you can see that most of the picks in team spear were counter picks (nocturne into tf, karma into cait, etc.) and they smoked them fair and square. All of this to say, even if we assume that Natty did cheat, he should be the only one to be punished and a remake would really be unfair as the "cheating" didn't even matter.
But overall I do agree with you, if they want their tournament to keep its image somehow intact, they have to punish this behavior. It's unfair for Spear, who btw handled all this really fairly like a chad, but it's like this I guess there has to be a punishment somehow or like azzap said, if they win it will not be appreciated at its just value.
@@romainsure5194 Again on the advantage part it doesn't matter since this isn't like team baus had suspicions about ghosting and tried to find something related to it, they just realized there's a high chance they got ghosted because one of the players admitted it themselves on stream (again whether if it was a really dumb joke or was real doesn't matter because the trust got hurt) It is like going to the police department saying you committed a crime then saying "nah i actually didn't do it" you probably won't go to jail but first it's weird asf,and they might put you in a psych ward because why would you even do such a thing?
Rematch or not Natty shouldn't be allowed to play imo because he showed he's not trustworthy as a player. If the tournament organization keeps Natty then there's always going to be suspicion around if he's actually ghosting or not which really sucks for everyone
glad we agree mostly though!
I'm glad there are still people like you 2
@@komolokko5117 Yes, I guess the advantage part only matter for the debate of making a remake or not. But yes now Natty brought this upon himself by saying that so there has to be consequences, and like azzap said he should step out of the tournament by himself to preserve his team and his image, in my opinion that's the best outcome he could reach for him and for everyone involved.
Azzapp is from Bosnia? So that explains why he is so based
If you look at nattys vod, "02:06:00", donjake1 types: "tf quin comp now" etc. And at "02:09:12" Natty reacts to those words. The probability of him reacting to donjake1's comment is extremely high if you think of the timing. And I can't accept that he was ghosting. This timing is too overwhelming to think otherwise.
But people are biased, I can't be the only one seeing this huge flaw in the accusation.
I agree that it's a possibility, but when Spear confronted Natty about it, he didn't say "I was reacting to a comment" he said, "I knew it because I watched their scrims." Later, when Spear pointed out that he literally said he "hopped into their streams for half a second before the last game," Natty switched to another version of events, and as they kept talking, he changed it again, and then again. This doesn't necessarily mean that he cheated, but I don't think this is a case of people being biased. It's a case of Natty's amazing ability to incriminate himself.
But how did he know caedrel talked to baus for 1 min? He had to have been watching his stream
Also reacting to comment is STILL GHOSTING.
@@es-yv7mm Go on Spearshots VoD from yesterday; at 06:21:31. What you'll find is Spear and brohan sitting in disc watching noway talking about the investigation that was made. Saves me alot of energy if you do that.
Basically, they say Natty didn't ghost. And that it's proven that he didn't by a damn team of investigators.
But I get it, big streamers accuse small streamer, what the hell can a small time streamer do? That's how the world works anyways.
@@declaringpond2276 almost everyone is paying attention to their chat xd. if i watch 200 viewers superelchi the velkoz support of team Noway, there are like only 5 chatters so she can read the chat and chill. how is that her fault then if i type some stuff like "baus is going sion or gragas now, ban those two"
Bro said half a second he opened the stream. More like the whole tournament
most streamers are narcissistic egomaniacs
wtf did u expect?
integrity?
Azzapp you are a goat man. Its an honor to watch your content.
i missreading the title, i tought it was the no nut november tournament
tbh the guy should be the one dropping off the tournament on his own
Azzapp should be the president of Bosnia
Spear's team agreed to the rematch and said if he cheated it sucks and if he didn't, it was irresponsible to say, including Nattynat saying he's stupid for having said it over and over. I think he probably did, but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day, they accepted he shouldn't have said it and offered a rematch.
All the other out of context drama clips and Caedrels cringe chat abusing Spear and Brohan for hours was pathetic and completely not needed. Midbeast got the rematch he wanted, move on. Keep in mind Spear and Brohan did nothing wrong and still got hours of abuse, have some responsibility over your communities.
LMAO THERE IS NO WAY HE SAID THAT.. wtf
It’s always disgusting Rengar 1 tricks
How is it that i always agree with what you are saying, and i am also proud off myself for not tilting about anything be it irl or in league. I think this mentality you have and i believe i have aswell, is just such a gift to have. Keep on being yourself brother
You always respect Gentlemen's rule, that why I respect you.
every player should be respectable like this. Players that cheat or take advantages that shouldn't exist deserve no respect
Idk why everyone is confused Yamato got in trouble and not this guy, Agurin literally has a hate boner for Yamato, so much that when Dante’s asked agurin about what’s going on agurin had to say “well you know I don’t mind it’s not my decision but he can talk to a coach” which is such a fake ass response
Least Based Bosnian Gigachad 😤
i honestly would not be surprised to learn that this was all staged for internet clout,
streamers do not have good reputations anymore, too much conflicted interest to end up providing a genuine experience,
everytime i hear one speak, i always have in the back of my mind "is this really you, or just the "you" that needs likes and subscribes for web traffic and income?"
but that is the price of living in a spiritually dead society wherein people fake their way through life, not realising the polarisation effect it has on the environment, or themselves,
don't get me wrong, the entertainment is appreciated but thats also the issue, people are cheating and causing drama as a business model, it's part of the "entertainment"
i mean even in the pro league, its all being investigated for win-trading to benefit dodgy chinese black market gambling, thats over 7 years of worlds, seasonal split tournies and scrims, all reduced to fake bullshit, all staged to fuel an undergruond betting ring,
It's a bit worrying if you judge society based on internet attention seekers . Normal people I meet in real life are pretty drama-free and normal.
@@willek1335 you are kidding me?
in the UK youths aged between 16-25 are 20% homeless, thats 1 in 5,
i understand that 20% is not "most",
but..........there really isn't much good left in society, thats just one side of an absolute hydta of a situation, suffice to say that i reject your premise,
most people are full of drama, did you never go to a public school?
never been gossiped about? never had to deal with thieves or some such?
nay, i think the vast majority of people you meet are full of drama,
the handful of people you chose to keep around and actually bother with is who i think you are refering to,
and for the record i don judge society based on the internet, you are arguing in reductio ad absurdum, which meant you never intended to reply in good faith,
you are the drama in itself, how ironic,
@@marcusavey8529 I went to public school, and I didn't have much drama except the parts I personally chose to be apart of. I've probably been gossiped about at some point, but I choose to care about myself more than other's opinions. I take precaution of my belongings, and don't let people intimidate me when I'm out, and I don't make myself an easy target. My life is pretty uneventful, except when I go out of my way on a vacation. It's a surprise how different people are when you choose to not live inside a densely populated metro, in favor of the hinterland. Out there, your reputation matters and there's no such thing as anonymity.
I am speaking about the people I accept around me yes, as I won't be in a position to judge people I don't know. Why is that absurd? I don't understand the point about my argument being absurd and how you can know if my argument was in good faith or not.
@@willek1335 you just agreed with everything i said,
in short, you select who you keep in your life, because everyone else causes drama,
you claim you don't live in a life with drama, but that's a mischaracterisation,
there is plenty of drama in your life, you chose to be oblivious to it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist,
congrats you think living in ignorance is an accomplishment, and something to boast about,
who said i live inside a dense metro? again you try to debate in assumption, and reductionism,
you don't understand what about your commentary is absurd? you accused me of basing my life off of the internet "you judge society based on internet attention seekers"
no i do not, i judge society based off of society, a rather large and complex eco-system,
you tried to reduce the arguement to absurdity,
who cares about whether you get intimidated by others, its irelevant to the conversation! i like cheese!
i liiiiiive for thé drama 😂😂😂😂
Honor is a rare thing these days. I guess it always has been really.