Thanks! in words ,I can not express my gratitude to all of you in general and in particular to Mr Pro Atif Main, Sr we all are apologetic for the unkind feelings from Pakistan which obstructed your role in our national governmnet. Wherever you are and you always give your golden and precious intellectual contribution to improve the economic conditions of Pakistan. This is your true greatness and love for Pakistan. Once again thank you all !!!
He was appointed a member of Economic Advisory Council in 2018 by the current government but somehow people got to know that he's Ahmadi and the rest is history. We lost a gem!
@@NMD137307 Ali RA said don't see who is saying! But see what is he saying, could be a justification to acquire his services. Some (God forbid) called Shea Kafirs. Why did we make SBP a Shea Governor۔ Even Ahmedis or Quadanies can't prove their so-called massanger sent by Allah SWT. The BOOK of Allah SWT rejets bluntly coming of any Massanger after Mohammed PBUH. For that every humankind should read book of guidance to straight path for humankind of all times to "Glorious Quran"!
A very healthy discussion indeed. The takeaway of this discussion in my view is: 1. Invest in humans. 2. Ask the world to train your youth rather than just begging for money. 3. Tax the landowners who escape taxes but not contributing to the economy of the country. 4. Think over the question of why productive people are leaving this county? 5. Put systems and institutions in place so that foreign investors can invest their money without fear of losing their capital. 6. We need courageous leaders who can think of national interest rather than just clinging to power. 7. Always rely on competent people who can make the best use of national assets. As for the example of frog, it is only the salaried class who are actually bearing the brunt of taxes which is the hot water that is getting hotter and hotter every day.
Investment in agriculture sector is the only way out. Storage, value addition, finished products. Get rid of sugar cane. No one dies of not eating white sugar.
Instead of sugar cane we can harvest palm trees & get jaggery from it better than sugar consisting of 12 chemical & after cooking oil (Our cooking oil is derivative of Diesel & Petrol by-product i.e., white oil, supplied to cooking oils companies) main reasons of sick population. Palm jaggery do'nt need any pesticides, fertilizer or 75% of the total water required for harvesting our crops! Needed to researched who & when, with criminal motives changed & replaced the policy of cotton crop from sugar cane? Similarly Five kind of positive Millets (5 اقسام کا مثبت باجرا) instead of GMO Wheat, with negligible water, no pesticides & no fertilizer. Can keep healthy whole Pakistan & with reduction in hospitals!! 2023 is going to be Millets year according to be UNO!
If I was in the place of prime minister khan I would definitely hire atif main no matter what the mullahs said We should think about our country A person religion related things we should leave on Allah
When PTI was being attacked for hiring Dr Atif Mian, nobody came to PTI's defence. PTI had very little political capital to expend on this issue at that time.
Not just Atif but the other two economic advisers declined after seeing the Abdus Salam treatment meted out to Atif. The mullahs draw their power from the public which is itself highly religiously fanatic, so blaming mullahs is just shifting the blame. There are fundamental issues with increasing focus on religion in education, media programming, religious schools and so on. This is making the average Pakistani receptive to religious fanaticism
Great discussion with great man. really feeling very shamful why the country who has majority are believers of Prophet Mohammad, who said in his last sermon : Non Arabi has any superiority to over an Arab and non-White has any superiority over black except by pity and good action. instead of thinking who will be effective for our nation, becoming part of racial segregation. Atif Mian no doubt a remarkable economist. Want to watch more videos.
Pakistan produces superb intellectuals like Prof. Atif Mian and Mooen Quereshi; no dearth of brains at all in Pakistan. I am lucky to work side-by-side with very smart and well educated Pakistani brothers and sisters.
Dear Atif, I wish you would have become a part of Pakistan's government. I'm a Barelvi Muslim and love progressive people despite having disparate ideologies, even if someone is Ahmadi. You are ❤️
I am Alhumdollelah Sunni Muslim of Pakistani Origin. Why Pakistan can not develop? It's because of Mullahs or extremist ideology of a group of people. First we went after Prof Abdul Salam and made him leave Pakistan and lately Atif. I don't know how many scholars we lost since inception of Pakistan. If they are Quadyani so what? We have so many precedences from Islamic history where non-muslims represented muslims or they were advisors to muslim rulers.
Elephant in the room ignored, heavy defence spending that doesn't generate any revenue, corruption of generals and military having chokehold on economy through running businesses and awarding itself projects that should go to more efficient private business
bro that is inevitable at the moment. We cannot not reduce it untill we have normalize our relations with india and that is not going to happen in the near future.
What Atif Mian said is very well known to every Pakistani interested in Economics. Pakistan being an example of developing economy in era of Ayub Khan has come so low in all economic indicators. There are two main reasons for these issues; one Pakistan forcefully inducted in Afghan war and secondly, rise of corrupt political mafia who drained Pakistan richness. What we need is benovalent & selfless political leadership who keep Pakistan Interest on the forefront.
Somebody asked the writer V.S. Naipaul what is the future of Africa. He replied: "There is no future." The same writer showed his pessimism towards Pakistan that if the general view of Pakistan remains that a perfection in religion leads to a perfection of man, the future of Pakistan wouldn't be that different from the future of Africa. Is there a wonder why people leave a 7th century theological nightmare? Human capital? Good Luck.
It's surprising how issues in power sector and sugar production in India is exactly the same. A lot of reforms in power sector have happened but still a lot more to do.
Fantastic!! Prof Atif brilliant as always. My suggestion is for Pakistan to stop comparing with others and just compare with themselves, month on month, quarter on quarter, year on year. That itself would be amazing benchmarks for progress. Prof Mian mentioned this towards the end. CPEC is not the panacea for Pakistan’s problems.
Sir Atif mian such a great person Government is stupid to lose that kind of person and Look at that person he still trying to solve the problems that created by our bloody polititions .
This respectable person Atif mian is my role model, I'm very very ashamed of not being able to do anything to protect our minorities to survive and prosper but inshallah I'm betting on PM IK to do that in near future!
astonishing original ideas - solution is to get smart guys with technology and skills to invest in Pakistan .. - wow - brilliant - we poor Pakistani cannot think of this idea !! suggest something which is implementable - and seriously using China example is cuckoo land though process.. let us look at Inida, Singapore, Indonesia, Bangladesh.. Let mr Atif live in his Princeton bubble..
Respect for Miaan Saub. He is true patriotic. I wish he would serve this country. Very disheart to see attitude of this backward society regarding Atif Mian when he appointed in advisory council.
Some much needed reminders from Atif Mian and Shahid Yousuf. Poor moderation by Shuja Nawaz though. He should have let Atif explain first the two fundamental questions that Atif posed 1.Why Pak economy failed? 2. How change course? Understanding on those itself would have resolved the "snapshot news based type questions" that Shuja and the lady asked and on which valuable time was spent. Always remember the concept of Opportunity Cost Mr Nawaz.
If you don’t mind learning from the success story of National Thermal Power Corporation (of India) ( which the World Bank called a School in Project Management’,please read ‘The Bloom in the Desert, the Making of NTPC’ by D.V.Kapoor (the founder chairman) one would get a good insight that Pakistan can follow.
Pakistan's stagnation began with the start of Afghan wars it is not just a coincidence, there's a direct link. Why does no one mention this, ever? I find it incredible that such an important aspect is constantly ignored in evaluations. The world over regional security is a constant acknowledgement, but in Pakistan's case, it is totally ignored.
Atif main sound great as he said our taxation system is a mess We should not compromise on our policies one policy for all Accept or go behind the bars that's it And secondly we should digitilise our all system You know we still have that pen papers policies this way more than half of the money either is tax or something else despair in the middle and the government didn't even know because inside some institutions there is looters Public pay properly but that looters keep that tax payer money in their pocket
1973 nationalization followed by Afghan war change the economic & social DNA of pakistan . India & Bangladesh don,t have a war in their neighborhood for last 40 years . Pakistan by default become a buffer state between India & Afghanistan which give upper hand to both neighboring countries.
Fact: tax amnesty is a well know and commonly used tool to increase tax pool and legalize hidden wealth. Used by almost all developing and developed countries.
Grreat personality may Allaha keep you always in his protection.pakistan needs extreemist mulas who loots poor population it is bad luck of Pakistan they don't adopt such personalities
Pakistan Government provide the sourses of help for industry and business cutivatition .The peoples privately fixed the tube wells in the villages and they provide the Electric and watersupply near by thier villages So like the buisinessmen .But unlukilly police arrest them and lot of fines charged them otherwise you rest in jail or he will be under the 295 c and he will be in blossmlphy case for ever .Sources of money they create to stopped the progress is not fair .jazakallah .
Pakastan should be doing research or joining nations doing thoriums research so they can use their thorium deposits when the technology comes to fruition!! Talking about fruition - "WHAT THEY HECK R YALL GROWING SUGARCANE 4" THAT IS CRAZY. Another thing that is crazy - almost 40% of Pakastan is arable land. i thought it would be 10% or something close to those numbers!!! With the right leadership and investments Pakastan could easily feed its whole populations. Espiecilly if they have verticle famrs in their larger high desity urban district that would turn into slums in most countries!!!
A project That Needs 2 Be Bumped Up 2 The Top of The Belt And Road - An East African/Suaid Penninsula/Iran/Pakastan Road and Rail Project Were RailWay And Highway Tunnels Should Be Built Under The Narrowest Points of the Red Sea and the Persian Gult. This Would Allow Gwadar Port 2 Be A City As Large As Karachi!!!
All countries which are export oriented have cheap energy production a must. India , china, and germany use coal to produce cheap energy for long time . Pakistan has lot of coal why it never used it . Not building Tarbela dam another example. Pollution might be a problem using coal but still it will be less pollution than china and india poluting the enviroment. Only cheap energy will make a country like pakistan increase its percapita income.
listening Mian Atif he definitly not the type which ever been comfortable with pti regime to work with and what pti did in its tenure of ruling, only benefited its ATMs Sugar Mafia and real estate, overall his thoughts are solid.
Unlike India and Bangladesh, Pakistan had to put up with a hostile superpower (USSR) waging a terrible, decade-long war on our doorstep. During that time our entire technological and economic strength was focused on surviving that situation while keeping the country stable. Economic analysists often tend to miss/ignore the psychological and sociological ramifications of that period (and the resulting refugee crisis and terrorism, causing political instability, increased crime rate and reduction of any foreign investment) on the nation and consequently on the country.
Poor decisions in energy policy, broken agriculture policy, in-competence in decision making. Anything Mr. Atif Mian said that is not known by a common person in Pakistan. Nothing new in the whole conversation. Disappointing.
Nothing new from Mr. Atif. All the information shared by him is discussed in routine even in TV programs on Pskistan's Economy. His recommendations are aslo impractical. Probabaly he is not aware of intrinsic issues being faced by our economy.
Thanks! in words ,I can not express my gratitude to all of you in general and in particular to Mr Pro Atif Main, Sr we all are apologetic for the unkind feelings from Pakistan which obstructed your role in our national governmnet. Wherever you are and you always give your golden and precious intellectual contribution to improve the economic conditions of Pakistan. This is your true greatness and love for Pakistan. Once again thank you all !!!
This Atif Mian is a Person of Great Moral Values that Pakistan lost to Religious Extremist and Fundamentalist.
This same person talks against Pakistan constitution so fuck his credibility and moral values.
Anybody can see the passion and the pain when very respected Atif mian talk about Pakistan.
Atif mian was too polite with the poetry example, I'd choose the below:
Har shaakh pay ulloo baitha hai, anjaam e gulistan kia hoga
We need people like Atif in Pakistan.
We can obviously make great use of him.
He was appointed a member of Economic Advisory Council in 2018 by the current government but somehow people got to know that he's Ahmadi and the rest is history. We lost a gem!
But Muhammad wrote in his book that he's the final messenger and Ahmadis say there is a successor to him ;)
@@NMD137307 Ali RA said don't see who is saying! But see what is he saying, could be a justification to acquire his services. Some (God forbid) called Shea Kafirs. Why did we make SBP a Shea Governor۔ Even Ahmedis or Quadanies can't prove their so-called massanger sent by Allah SWT. The BOOK of Allah SWT rejets bluntly coming of any Massanger after Mohammed PBUH. For that every humankind should read book of guidance to straight path for humankind of all times to "Glorious Quran"!
A very healthy discussion indeed. The takeaway of this discussion in my view is:
1. Invest in humans.
2. Ask the world to train your youth rather than just begging for money.
3. Tax the landowners who escape taxes but not contributing to the economy of the country.
4. Think over the question of why productive people are leaving this county?
5. Put systems and institutions in place so that foreign investors can invest their money without fear of losing their capital.
6. We need courageous leaders who can think of national interest rather than just clinging to power.
7. Always rely on competent people who can make the best use of national assets.
As for the example of frog, it is only the salaried class who are actually bearing the brunt of taxes which is the hot water that is getting hotter and hotter every day.
Investment in agriculture sector is the only way out. Storage, value addition, finished products. Get rid of sugar cane. No one dies of not eating white sugar.
Excellent summary of the whole discussion.
Thank you so much for summarizing. you are a legend.
But Muhammad wrote in his book that he's the final messenger and Ahmadis say there is a successor to him ;)
Instead of sugar cane we can harvest palm trees & get jaggery from it better than sugar consisting of 12 chemical & after cooking oil (Our cooking oil is derivative of Diesel & Petrol by-product i.e., white oil, supplied to cooking oils companies) main reasons of sick population. Palm jaggery do'nt need any pesticides, fertilizer or 75% of the total water required for harvesting our crops! Needed to researched who & when, with criminal motives changed & replaced the policy of cotton crop from sugar cane? Similarly Five kind of positive Millets (5 اقسام کا مثبت باجرا) instead of GMO Wheat, with negligible water, no pesticides & no fertilizer. Can keep healthy whole Pakistan & with reduction in hospitals!! 2023 is going to be Millets year according to be UNO!
If I was in the place of prime minister khan
I would definitely hire atif main no matter what the mullahs said
We should think about our country
A person religion related things we should leave on Allah
M9mlm
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حظح
Ahmadi
Haha, But Muhammad wrote in his book that he's the final messenger and Ahmadis say otherwise ;)
Atif main is pride of Pakistan. Unfortunately, we missed him due to mullahs
When PTI was being attacked for hiring Dr Atif Mian, nobody came to PTI's defence. PTI had very little political capital to expend on this issue at that time.
Not just Atif but the other two economic advisers declined after seeing the Abdus Salam treatment meted out to Atif. The mullahs draw their power from the public which is itself highly religiously fanatic, so blaming mullahs is just shifting the blame. There are fundamental issues with increasing focus on religion in education, media programming, religious schools and so on. This is making the average Pakistani receptive to religious fanaticism
@H G that explains why Pakistan is in the situation it is in today
Very refreshing - understanding a problem is half the solution.
Great conversation, so much value in an hour. Thank you!
Great discussion with great man. really feeling very shamful why the country who has majority are believers of Prophet Mohammad, who said in his last sermon : Non Arabi has any superiority to over an Arab and non-White has any superiority over black except by pity and good action. instead of thinking who will be effective for our nation, becoming part of racial segregation. Atif Mian no doubt a remarkable economist. Want to watch more videos.
Athif Mian is one of the worlds leading economic minds.
Great to hear Dr Atif❤
Very true. Thanks Atlantic Council for organising it.
Absolute pleasure listening to all the speakers especially prof MIAN .
Mr Mian speaks sense. With not much technicalities but he made us understand the grey area of Pak's economy in simple words.
Great to watch this a great man on this channel 👍 atif mian ❤
Pakistan produces superb intellectuals like Prof. Atif Mian and Mooen Quereshi; no dearth of brains at all in Pakistan. I am lucky to work side-by-side with very smart and well educated Pakistani brothers and sisters.
Brain drain is going on..
Pakistan don't need such comparison it follows Sharia laws and should be seen differently.
Dear Atif, I wish you would have become a part of Pakistan's government. I'm a Barelvi Muslim and love progressive people despite having disparate ideologies, even if someone is Ahmadi. You are ❤️
you are true follower of rehmat tul lilalemin S.A.W ۔ Allah swt bless you
@@munawarahmad01234 But Muhammad wrote in his book that he's the final messenger and Ahmadis say there is a successor to him ;)
@@NMD137307 - (ﷺ), the Quran was authored by man (watch?v=--L_tQDQdcc). Qadianis are not Muslims.
we want to hear from Mr Mian time to time regarding Pakistan
Macroeconomics 101 by the Professor. Very simple explanation of very complicated macroeconomic issues.
thankyou.
Quite informative. I feel Mr Atif had tongue in check when talking about impediments to growth.
I am Alhumdollelah Sunni Muslim of Pakistani Origin.
Why Pakistan can not develop? It's because of Mullahs or extremist ideology of a group of people. First we went after Prof Abdul Salam and made him leave Pakistan and lately Atif. I don't know how many scholars we lost since inception of Pakistan.
If they are Quadyani so what? We have so many precedences from Islamic history where non-muslims represented muslims or they were advisors to muslim rulers.
Pakistan cannot develop because your first statement was " I'm sunni Muslim of pakistani origin".
@@jongxina4908 The statement meant to indicate to the people who might think that I am Quadyani
@@jongxina4908 point to be noted
Mullas, Maulvi and Military if I am correct. Even while pak people R religious, still go against it in one way or the other.
This is so fantastic. love hearing Prof Atif Mian. Thanks Atlantic Council.
Elephant in the room ignored, heavy defence spending that doesn't generate any revenue, corruption of generals and military having chokehold on economy through running businesses and awarding itself projects that should go to more efficient private business
bro that is inevitable at the moment. We cannot not reduce it untill we have normalize our relations with india and that is not going to happen in the near future.
Absolutely correct. Good.
What Atif Mian said is very well known to every Pakistani interested in Economics. Pakistan being an example of developing economy in era of Ayub Khan has come so low in all economic indicators. There are two main reasons for these issues; one Pakistan forcefully inducted in Afghan war and secondly, rise of corrupt political mafia who drained Pakistan richness. What we need is benovalent & selfless political leadership who keep Pakistan Interest on the forefront.
Can some one list the books 📚 that Mr. Atif is speaking off?
About the transition of Chinese economy from Mao thought to Capitalism.
Somebody asked the writer V.S. Naipaul what is the future of Africa. He replied: "There is no future." The same writer showed his pessimism towards Pakistan that if the general view of Pakistan remains that a perfection in religion leads to a perfection of man, the future of Pakistan wouldn't be that different from the future of Africa. Is there a wonder why people leave a 7th century theological nightmare? Human capital? Good Luck.
It's surprising how issues in power sector and sugar production in India is exactly the same. A lot of reforms in power sector have happened but still a lot more to do.
Fantastic!! Prof Atif brilliant as always. My suggestion is for Pakistan to stop comparing with others and just compare with themselves, month on month, quarter on quarter, year on year. That itself would be amazing benchmarks for progress. Prof Mian mentioned this towards the end.
CPEC is not the panacea for Pakistan’s problems.
great program
Thankyou for this brilliant talk!!
Very clear minde great talk
Pakistan should take advantage of Atif.
Excellent lecture
Excellent lecture 👏
Excellent thanks you for this fruitful conversation.
Excellent Talk.
No doubt Very very saddened accident to remove Atif Mian from economic advisory Council.
Well balanced analysis
Atif Mian is pride of Pakistan
Excellent analysis. Plot files casino economy is the problem. Like the term human current account deficit 👌
Sir Atif mian such a great person
Government is stupid to lose that kind of person and
Look at that person he still trying to solve the problems that created by our bloody polititions .
Problems of pakistani economy are very well known but difficult part is abscence of right thinkig and then political will to carry it out.
This respectable person Atif mian is my role model, I'm very very ashamed of not being able to do anything to protect our minorities to survive and prosper but inshallah I'm betting on PM IK to do that in near future!
astonishing original ideas - solution is to get smart guys with technology and skills to invest in Pakistan .. - wow - brilliant - we poor Pakistani cannot think of this idea !! suggest something which is implementable - and seriously using China example is cuckoo land though process.. let us look at Inida, Singapore, Indonesia, Bangladesh.. Let mr Atif live in his Princeton bubble..
Respect for Miaan Saub.
He is true patriotic.
I wish he would serve this country.
Very disheart to see attitude of this backward society regarding Atif Mian when he appointed in advisory council.
Great 👍, agreed
Some much needed reminders from Atif Mian and Shahid Yousuf. Poor moderation by Shuja Nawaz though. He should have let Atif explain first the two fundamental questions that Atif posed 1.Why Pak economy failed? 2. How change course? Understanding on those itself would have resolved the "snapshot news based type questions" that Shuja and the lady asked and on which valuable time was spent. Always remember the concept of Opportunity Cost Mr Nawaz.
If you don’t mind learning from the success story of National Thermal Power Corporation (of India) ( which the World Bank called a School in Project Management’,please read ‘The Bloom in the Desert, the Making of NTPC’ by D.V.Kapoor (the founder chairman) one would get a good insight that Pakistan can follow.
It’s a shame he was removed from economic advisory council on extremists pressure!
5:38
Thanks
massive investment in human capital instead defence spending. limit revenue streams for military establishment
Pakistan's stagnation began with the start of Afghan wars it is not just a coincidence, there's a direct link.
Why does no one mention this, ever? I find it incredible that such an important aspect is constantly ignored in evaluations.
The world over regional security is a constant acknowledgement, but in Pakistan's case, it is totally ignored.
Atif main sound great as he said our taxation system is a mess
We should not compromise on our policies one policy for all
Accept or go behind the bars that's it
And secondly we should digitilise our all system
You know we still have that pen papers policies this way more than half of the money either is tax or something else despair in the middle and the government didn't even know because inside some institutions there is looters
Public pay properly but that looters keep that tax payer money in their pocket
1973 nationalization followed by Afghan war change the economic & social DNA of pakistan . India & Bangladesh don,t have a war in their neighborhood for last 40 years . Pakistan by default become a buffer state between India & Afghanistan which give upper hand to both neighboring countries.
Fact: tax amnesty is a well know and commonly used tool to increase tax pool and legalize hidden wealth. Used by almost all developing and developed countries.
He is totally right.
Grreat personality may Allaha keep you always in his protection.pakistan needs extreemist mulas who loots poor population it is bad luck of Pakistan they don't adopt such personalities
Pakistan Government provide the sourses of help for industry and business cutivatition .The peoples privately fixed the tube wells in the villages and they provide the Electric and watersupply near by thier villages So like the buisinessmen .But unlukilly police arrest them and lot of fines charged them otherwise you rest in jail or he will be under the 295 c and he will be in blossmlphy case for ever .Sources of money they create to stopped the progress is not fair .jazakallah .
The problem is that most people in Pakistan especially the bearded guys do not know what Princeton University is all about
Pakastan should be doing research or joining nations doing thoriums research so they can use their thorium deposits when the technology comes to fruition!! Talking about fruition - "WHAT THEY HECK R YALL GROWING SUGARCANE 4" THAT IS CRAZY. Another thing that is crazy - almost 40% of Pakastan is arable land. i thought it would be 10% or something close to those numbers!!! With the right leadership and investments Pakastan could easily feed its whole populations. Espiecilly if they have verticle famrs in their larger high desity urban district that would turn into slums in most countries!!!
A project That Needs 2 Be Bumped Up 2 The Top of The Belt And Road - An East African/Suaid Penninsula/Iran/Pakastan Road and Rail Project Were RailWay And Highway Tunnels Should Be Built Under The Narrowest Points of the Red Sea and the Persian Gult. This Would Allow Gwadar Port 2 Be A City As Large As Karachi!!!
All countries which are export oriented have cheap energy production a must. India , china, and germany use coal to produce cheap energy for long time . Pakistan has lot of coal why it never used it . Not building Tarbela dam another example.
Pollution might be a problem using coal but still it will be less pollution than china and india poluting the enviroment.
Only cheap energy will make a country like pakistan increase its percapita income.
listening Mian Atif he definitly not the type which ever been comfortable with pti regime to work with and what pti did in its tenure of ruling, only benefited its ATMs Sugar Mafia and real estate, overall his thoughts are solid.
You really tried
We were not worthy
Thanks
Straight from.twitter
hahahah same
What an unfortunate country who lost Atif only because of his faith . Sad , very sad
Start with Assalamoallaikum, sir
pl. don't bring religion in one and everything. Religion should be absolutely personal.
its very painful only 538 likeys
Unlike India and Bangladesh, Pakistan had to put up with a hostile superpower (USSR) waging a terrible, decade-long war on our doorstep. During that time our entire technological and economic strength was focused on surviving that situation while keeping the country stable. Economic analysists often tend to miss/ignore the psychological and sociological ramifications of that period (and the resulting refugee crisis and terrorism, causing political instability, increased crime rate and reduction of any foreign investment) on the nation and consequently on the country.
Poor decisions in energy policy, broken agriculture policy, in-competence in decision making. Anything Mr. Atif Mian said that is not known by a common person in Pakistan. Nothing new in the whole conversation. Disappointing.
ATIF bhai, we are ashamed to not stand for you.
The loss to Pakistan in the last 20 years of Zardari and Nawaz.
Nothing new from Mr. Atif. All the information shared by him is discussed in routine even in TV programs on Pskistan's Economy. His recommendations are aslo impractical. Probabaly he is not aware of intrinsic issues being faced by our economy.
Yeh the solution always seems easier after someone has presented it to you, according to the motto I could have done it too.
Can't stand the sound of the old man