We need to get you an upgraded F-16 so you don't have to fiddle. With the admiral receiver on the upgraded one you'd land at $289. But great review Wes! If anything, now people can get an Arctic Camo F-16 and Thunderbirds F-16 because we all can never have too many F-16's!
Motion RC yep sorry I didn’t actually realize you had the new version when I made the video as you know the airplanes in my videos are mine 😉 I still stand by they are both awesome planes and ether airplane is an awesome choice.
Motion RC glad I saw this post because I was dying for the Arctic Camo and then after this was slightly leaning toward no fiddle. Most of planes are HH/Eflite. But the camo on yours is just to good to pass up. So u sold me with this comment. Im going to have to man up and order one now.
@@MerryBoozerRC If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height or close to the full scale 11:05
Nice review as always. I would have to pick the EFlite also for ease of preparing and paint scheme is like my EFlite T28. Thanks you guys really appreciate what y’all doing.👍
Great review. The way you flew the eflite and your knee pointing the the eflite gave it away before you came to the conclusion. I'm waiting on my first jet. It's the freewing stinger 64mm. Love all your reviews.
These sound like real jets on the passes. Great detail on these and man the seem to fly so smooth. Awesome video man, appreciate the side by side comparisons.
What an awesome review, I’ve liked both of those for a while know and agree on the whole depends on what paint job you like. It’s awesome that you evened them out for the review none had the upper hand....excellent comparison video 👍🏼
Thank you so much ❤️ we really are trying hard to be as impartial and honest with all our reviews here on the channel they really are awesome jets and you can’t really go wrong with ether plane
I have the Freewing F-16 version with the inrunner motor from the E-flite Viper Jet, no upgraded retracts yet but had to do a little foam cutting to get the motor fitting correctly which wasn't much but she is a rocket in the air..... I've always wanted to see a comparison between the 2 jets and this video is really good so Thanks for this 👏🏾👏🏾 Props to you Sir
Just when I was ready to get this 90MM version Freewing discontinued production... So is there any difference between this version and the 80MM besides the size
I'm actually after an F-16 so thank you. Both look like great options to be fair, but the freewing version just looks more like the real jet. I appreciate the scale details on it so I think that's the one for me.
I bought my F-16.. Fighting falcon.. and I only paid $275 for it.. through motion RC and it came with a V2 and it came with the aluminum retrax... And the new in runner 2957-2210 KV.. and I put a hundred amp adjustablle. Ztw ESC.. all I did was advancement timing to 15 degrees.. and it pulls right at 2,000 Watts. And I use a 4500 milliamp battery 80 c... And we clocked it at 142 miles per hour.... My friends FMS 70 mm Thunderbird couldn't even catch.... And when I bought this I got a good deal on it.. if you want to go fast go with freewing...... FMS is okay BUT FREEWING IS THE BEST!!!!! NOW WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE!!!!
Morning Wes and Lori. You did a good job Landing the freeway F-16 certainly made up for your takeoff. I definitely agree there are virtually identical I think the E-flite has a slightly better flight time and a little bit more on the top end. I remember you saying from your F-35 review on Ryans show that you started flying in 1993 same as me believe it or not!
Very nice video and thank you. From my purview, I have to give EF F-16 Thunderbird the edge. I'm building up to move into the EF F-16 Thunderbird or Falcon 80mm.
I did the third option with the Motion RC F-16. I bought the ARF plus version, without the motor and ESC. I put in a JP Hobby all metal fan/motor, amd ESC combo, and I fly it with a 6S 5000 pack. To make it the ultimate speed demon, i removed the retracts completely and taped over the openings, and I didn’t install the fins on the bottom of the fuselage. This allows me to hand launch this plane, and belly land it. We don’t have paved runways anywhere nearby, and these mods help the plane go even faster. This thing screams, and is always a head turner when I fly it. :)
I did the same thing to my.. Dynam. V3 meteor... All aluminum JP fan... And since this jet is very light.. we clocked it at 152 mph... And we did this with only a 4S battery 4000 milliamp 60 c... But I used 150 amp ESC gecko.. adjustable... We adjusted it to just 8 degrees advance... And it pulled over 2,200 watts.on the watt meter.... Not bad for $150 jet... It's fun to go to the airfield and outrun.. everybody that's running a 80 mm to a 90 mm.... They keep asking me how am I making this fast and I don't tell him anything I just tell him it's all stock..
Thanks Wes, I’ve really been torn about these since the artic camo is really my favorite but really like the entire package with the E-flite, however I’m glad to see that Freewing now offers the F16 in the pro edition with the upgraded motor and retracts now which may help with my decision, if the offered the camo in a 90mm I wouldn’t have to decide, I’ve really been thinking about getting the 90mm Freewing F16 in the grey and just doing what you and I love to do.....an artic camo airbrushing repaint. BUT WAIT....then I go to the HSD F16 camo which I’d get in the turbine frame and set up with a high proformance JP fan and all would be right, but by the time you do the jet, retracts, ESC, and fan, oh and let’s not forget the receiver/gyro, now my wallet is going, ouch. Man, the struggles....thanks for a great video Wes and showing us 2 really sweet birds, another awesome video👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👍🏼
Jeff’s Custom RC ok in my personal opinion the 70mm freewing is the plane for you. The 90mm F-16 is a brick and doesn’t fly anywhere close to as good as the 70. You will definitely not be disappointed in the 70 mm arctic camo free wing F-16 get one and thank me later. Just tell them who sent you. Also get the V2 freewing I linked in the description for $259 with the in runner motor and upgraded re-tracks right out of the box you can’t go wrong
Merry Boozer RC thanks Wes, that’s the one I’ve been really looking at, so...you think I’d really like that better that the 90mm with the upgraded 1835kv ??? I would do a repaint on the 90mm to have the artic camo. I’m so torn, just not sure if I’d be happy with the smaller of the two since I’m used to flying 90mm.....damn the struggles 🤔🤪😖👊🏼👊🏼
@@MerryBoozerRC yea the 90s are not that quick in talking about a few 90s too and 70s 80s are the best for speed performance and easy on batts I love the 70s 6s jets f16 is real good viper jet is good hawk ain't bad.
@@MerryBoozerRC well I’m looking at the tinted canopy since mine is clear. I can use the canopy from mine but I removed the clear canopy and ordered the freewing smoked canopy. I think the actual foam canopies are different but the glass looks to be same.
I wanna get the eflite Thunderbirds jet for my first, what transmitter can I get I've been looking at the dx6e transmitter but think I may need the dx8 both by spektrum?? Which transmitter can I use out of the 2??
Well you can use safe with the DX6E but you can use safe select and all the features. On the F16 you can because it doesn’t have flaps. So you only are using 5 of your 6 channels meaning you have one open channel for save select. But if you get an airplane in the future that Jase retracts and flaps so a 6 channel plane you won’t have an open 7th channel for safe select. That’s the mane reason the DX8E was brought to market 😉
I was just looking for my first F-16 I've only owned sport jets. Just stumbled across this amazing channel of yours! Perfect timing, Obviously you can't go wrong with either one Horizon Hobby has great CS, Motion RC has great CS, between these two in my opinion it comes down to looks and the freewing is kicking ass in that department! I'm going for the freewing! That Arctic Camo is pulling at my Heartstrings lol. Subscribed! Brilliant videos look forward to more! Rob
Definitely and the new version of the freewing makes it even more equal now comes with an inrunner and upgrade retracts right out the box you will love it 😍
Hi wes I've just bought the freewing and upgraded the retracts as I fly off grass I'm planning on the maiden in the next couple of days ! Could you tell me the flaperon settings you have dialed in as I've been told they come in quite hot without them ? Great video as always guys 👍
Actually if you push your battery back like I show in the video you really don’t need the flaps I can definitely tell you my settings but in all honesty it will come in at a crawl if you keep the nose up and use throttle management coming in
Thanks! So doesn't that imply that the fan in the E-Flite produces more thrust? Or is it a combination of the ESC, gyro, airfoil, and the entire circuit?
@@cwwisk I don’t really know what it is that makes this plane high alpha so good but there’s really no plane I’ve ever flown that even comes close to this one you can hold full up elevator on it and fly around with just the throttle and it will not dip a wing or anything
Freewing all day, looks more scale and I like the Arctic Camo. That is just my personal opinion. Plus, the Freewing seems to have more bang for your buck and with the ARF version, you can can make it your own.
The E-flight F-16 looks beautiful, and more scale. I'm hooked on this Thunderbird 70mm, and if it flies anything like it does in the SIM, then it's going to be my 1st EDF after many prop plane hours. I'll make good use of SAFE when landing as my runway s only 300' x 50'.
There is one that is $219 that has a 3048-2150 kv motor and the one I got is the high performance $259 with a 2957-2210 kv motor and it comes with the upgraded landing gear also. It isn’t a night and day difference but it is faster.
@@trickmustang1994 thank you for the info. was woundering if the upgraded motor would make a big diffirence or not . i have the 4cell version and on it i can say the landing gear upgrade is well worth it!
Brian Scutt it’s an E-Flite but yes the freewing fits the large batteries better and now has a high performance version with the upgrade landing gear and I runner fan pre installed
@@MerryBoozerRC great ! That's the one Im ordering the high performance one. Only other upgrade I got is a gyro. The 21 dollar one that motion sells. You think the 4500 pack will effect the flight performance because of extra weight ??
@@MerryBoozerRC Ok I downloaded this Macross VF-31A for Phoenix sim and at 1/4 throttle its hard to land it. Maybe its close to accurate then if 15 to 30% throttle floats it. www.supermotoxl.com/projects-articles/ready-to-drive-fly-models/macross-vf-31a-kairos-phoenix-rc-simulator.html
Great review! Thanks a ton. What were the battery stats after the 3 minute flight? Did they both come down with similar voltage values/amps drawn, or can one fly longer than the other due to more efficient system? Thanks again, keep 'em coming.
Jorden Epps The E flight just barely edges is out I set both timers now to four minutes on these aircraft and I’m coming down with about 3.8 to 3.83 but if you fly at full throttle most of the flights four minutes is Max Always good to leave a little room to land
I love the camo scheme of the Freewing but the E-Flite definitely seems faster. Do you use anything besides sub trim on these like Aileron to rudder mixing, Dual Rates & Expo or switched Flat throttle curves for slow flight and landing?
Oh ok, I just didnt want to miss them. The boozers need there Dave's Rc T's. Paul Hatcher is going to be in Portland tomorrow. I'm going to meet up with him at some point to give him a shirt and his ESC that he won. Talk about cheap shipping. I should start making all contest winners come pick up there prizes in person. Sure makes it easy on me.
Nice review! I have both and I have to side with the freewing. They both fly great, but I have to say that the eflite has a slightly artificial feel with the gyro compared to the admiral. The freewing slows to a crawl as does the eflite. I feel completely connected to the freewing and the eflite I feel like I’m telling the gyro what to do. Finally...the eflite canopy kept coming off in flight. I’d say it’s an anomaly, but I’ve seen others with the same issue.
WES I'm with you on this one. E flight is the choice for me as well. I think it has A wider Flight envelope and If you gotta have camo Wich I don't care for. You can costomized to your heart's content. Great review you made them both look awesome 👍👍😎
Wes as I watch this again I noticed that you are wearing the same shirt I have on today. And I don't think anyone could make it look as good as you do 😉👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@MerryBoozerRC Thanks for the Info! on the Spektrum Side I downloaded the SRM file for the F-16 : had to copy manually the settings on my AR636 Receiver . The Spectrum software is not so smart as they always tell us . I already had some serious problems with the software in the past .
Nice review. They both look pretty nice, but in your last shot where they are both sat on the ground in front of you, the Freewing has a much more scale sit on its gear. The Elfite looks a little toy like on its tall stalky legs.
Rickey Nelson Jr they are suspension retracts made out of machined aluminum really nice basically like little shock absorbers. The new version of the freewing actually comes with them now
@@MerryBoozerRC thank you for replying. Like I said earlier, I'm new to this hobby but love it a lot. I want to go EDF but at the moment I have a puller propeller rc plane. I intend to use both types of rc planes but I'm clueless as to what radio I need that will work with any rc plane. I pretty much need a list of all the things I would need to be successful in this hobby while having fun. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Awesome flying by the way. I hope to be on that level soon. I've only flew my rc plane 2 times. Would it be stupid jumping to an EDF so soon?
still flying my fw yf-16 yea its a hobby lobby 11 yr old plane with fms 11 blade edf, foamies have come a long way. may need to buy a newer foamie edf ,, hard choice ,,, but fms seems to have put a little more effort into edf and landing gear,, fw is behind from what ive seen ... but i do not own either , just an observation ,,, great vid wes still can't make up my mind on which new edf i want, L39, A10 etc so much too choose from ,which is good...when is storch time????? bigger flies better mmm inav 405 matek fpv floater ,,, can't beat balsa
michael honeychuck so storch is hopefully flying Sunday and video will need to be edited. To be honest if I could only have one jet it would be an avanti s just saying best all around Jet great preforming and great landing gear for grass
Or, buy the Freewing F-16 version that comes with the suspension struts and upgraded inrunner motor from Motion RC for $259. That would be a more fair comparison.
Thomas Ellison I didn’t realize they had a new version of the FW I have updated the description and I apologize for that thanks for bringing it to my attention. At the end of the day I’m not payed for this and just trying to bring the best content I can on my budget.
The E-flite has a SAFE option - did you mention that? but no flaps and did you say flaperons are NOT an option?..... is that because ailerons are y - harnessed together ?
lw216316 you can’t program flaperons with the stock as3x receiver. Yes it has safe but in my opinion if your buying a 100mph plane you sold be past needing safe. It’s a great tool but I feel it’s allowed people to fly things the shouldn’t.
So - for flaperons, its a software restriction by the receiver and not a mechanical restriction by a y- harness. I have put flaperons on an AR620 receiver - but did not know it won't work on a 636 (or 636a) whatever is in the F-16. As for the safe option - since a wide variety of pilots watch your review, I suspect there are some who would like that option and others who will not activate it during the bind. Even if it is activated during the bind it can be programmed to a switch and used or not used as desired. Not all safe options are the same. Some planes allow it to function like a beginner mode and some planes I've had allow it to function only as an emergency mode to get you straight and level - and you then need to get back to your normal mode quickly to get enough control surface movement to get the plane back to you. Here is a maiden flight on the F-16 by theRcSaylors who review lots of planes. He using safe on the maiden and it has a good amount of deflection allowed on the controls. ua-cam.com/video/j7NA9mWZD98/v-deo.html I like using safe on a maiden if there is a good amount of control. After that I only use it as an emergency switch. The Marlin was my first jet. I'm planning to move up to the F-16 soon - so the safe option looks good to me.
Exactly if you buy the plug and fly and ad your own receiver you can do flaperon but to be honest you don’t need them on this plane the slow flight is crazy good
@@MerryBoozerRC That's a good option to consider. I could get an open stock receiver and add a gyro (with or without a safe option). I recently bought an A3 Pro with plans to try it in an old plane but maybe I'll try it in the F-16 ! So if I get the plug and fly then the leads from the wings on the F-16 are accessable so I can plug them into separate ports so I can set up flaperons ?
Should be but if I’m being honest I put them on once and never took them off so I can’t remember.... but buy the BNF with AS3X trust me this bird doesn’t need flaps. Truly it is the best jet on the market currently in my opinion... not fancy but best flying
I would buy another F16 90mm if it came in camo. The 70s are to easy to lose orientation especially on cloudy days. 80mm would be even better if they made them.
Also, if I may offer a tip for video recording of the airplanes in flight. Disable auto-focus, and use manual focus. Before recording, with manual focus enabled, focus on an object off in the distance. For example that white house next to the tree that is seen right after take off (1:34 mark). Additionally, in order to have a chance at keeping the fast close-in passes within the shot, you have to stand a few yards back from the flight line, and use zoom (sparingly) in and out as needed. I learned all of these the hard way when I was recording at events. One of my favorite videos I shot a while ago: ua-cam.com/video/cXDysFb_BR4/v-deo.html
I have the E Flite the front landing gear are week and poor in designed, dont just take my word for it ! so many replacements are needed that they cant fill the order!
just looking around the net, it seems like the eflite and the FMS is the same plane. but comes in a more realistic paint scheme instead of the thunderbirds paint. www.fmsmodel.com/fms-70mm-f-16c-fighting-falcon-pnp
Nice review, I am thinking of getting one of these. I believe the Eflite might work for me better because of the High Alpha it does and I love the paint coloring. Also, if I wanted to paint it differently, it would not be as hard to cover than the Artic. My brother likes the Artic Camo, thats his chioce. Nice video. Keep them comming.
If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height and ground clearance.
$259.00 for the Arctic Camo.. love the looks of that one.. hmmmm I have several new unused receivers setting in my build room right now, with and without gyro! LOL is one easier to see while flying vs the other?? (say the camo version... LOL)
Depends on the day on a cloudy day the E-Flight was easier for me to see. But on a cloudy day I like the Freewing. Haha my honest opinion the paint jobs on the freewing is better. It’s just a hard choice. Just remember tell them the boozer sent you whatever you choose. They both fly great 👍
Merry Boozer RC it’s an aircraft maneuver invented by boyd and used by the russians. it’s when you put the plane into a high aoa and still fly level across. it’s pretty complicated but they had it in the reveal trailer for the e flite 16
I gotcha I know what your talking about now you will enjoy the video coming up on them I actually posted a video to Instagram of me doing it 4 ft off the ground lol. But you will see it in the future episode
My free wing f-16 went in the garbage. After having it accelerate to full throttle and having zero control over the model twice and trying to replace parts to get it to work, I just threw it away. I was sick of dealing with it. The avanti is the way to go!
Had the freewing , I loved it butt I walnt buy another one just because freewing has jacked their prices way up , so screw freewing and motion RC ! Only e flite now !
FREEWING sounds more like a jet... Looks better too I think... Although, im partial, because I own a FREEWING F-16 90mm with afterburner!!!, F-86 SABER, AND MY FAVORITE, MY FREEWING BAE HAWK 70mm!!!! Im getting 6 minutes with the HAWK with moderate flying.... 3/4 Throttle is usually all i go up to. I dont have as nice as place to fly.... At FULL throttle im across 2 football size fields in seconds!!!! Planes are cool, ✈ BUT JETS RULE!!!
Chris Gaalen I agree thee freewing is more scale.... but after about 10 flights I actually like the E-Flite just a hair more. That being said there both awesome
Great video on both planes, just one thing you say they are both locked in and stable, you are using gyro on both of them meaning once correct cg set they are going to be stable with the gyro, would be nice to see them flown without gyro to give a real comparison. Just my thoughts.
Unfortunately the E-Flite Gyro is so good and it can’t be turned off also I wouldn’t want to it flys amazing with it. I don’t normally fly the freewing with a gyro I like the way it feels without it. I have the fly hard f-16 video in that I didn’t use a gyro on the freewing
Merry Boozer RC thanks a million for your reply, yes just watched that other video, I personally never use gyros and have just purchased the free wing f 16 and waiting for an upgraded edf unit, looking forward to its maiden 👌
We need to get you an upgraded F-16 so you don't have to fiddle. With the admiral receiver on the upgraded one you'd land at $289. But great review Wes! If anything, now people can get an Arctic Camo F-16 and Thunderbirds F-16 because we all can never have too many F-16's!
Motion RC yep sorry I didn’t actually realize you had the new version when I made the video as you know the airplanes in my videos are mine 😉 I still stand by they are both awesome planes and ether airplane is an awesome choice.
Motion RC also this one likes the cg further back lol if you know what I mean 😂
Oh yea f16s the most fun and fastest edf next to mirage 2000 f5 tiger f18 rafale
Motion RC glad I saw this post because I was dying for the Arctic Camo and then after this was slightly leaning toward no fiddle. Most of planes are HH/Eflite. But the camo on yours is just to good to pass up. So u sold me with this comment. Im going to have to man up and order one now.
@@MerryBoozerRC If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height or close to the full scale 11:05
Nice review as always. I would have to pick the EFlite also for ease of preparing and paint scheme is like my EFlite T28. Thanks you guys really appreciate what y’all doing.👍
Great review. The way you flew the eflite and your knee pointing the the eflite gave it away before you came to the conclusion. I'm waiting on my first jet.
It's the freewing stinger 64mm.
Love all your reviews.
Nice video, I have both and couldn't agree with you more on the differences. Both fun birds. Great video!
These sound like real jets on the passes. Great detail on these and man the seem to fly so smooth. Awesome video man, appreciate the side by side comparisons.
Definitely come on back and check out the channel always a new video on Wednesday and live show on Saturday
Been to one livestream I’ll try and catch more!
@@Wrestlenutz sound like a real turbine. They are a real jet. 😉
What an awesome review, I’ve liked both of those for a while know and agree on the whole depends on what paint job you like. It’s awesome that you evened them out for the review none had the upper hand....excellent comparison video 👍🏼
Thank you so much ❤️ we really are trying hard to be as impartial and honest with all our reviews here on the channel they really are awesome jets and you can’t really go wrong with ether plane
Great review. Just getting into jets. I’m really enjoying your videos. Very helpful!
Great job Boozers. Awesome to have 2 that close to each other and see a review done comparing them. Thanks man.
I can't believe I missed this video when it first came out, I must have been sleeping. Great video, I just ordered the E-Flite version.
Well don’t forget there’s another one if you enjoy this one here is the link ua-cam.com/video/-dg69KV7c3o/v-deo.html
Does it come with a transmitter and everything u need to fly??
No sr you will need a spektrum transmitter batteries and a lipo charger
@@MerryBoozerRC can I use the spektrum dx6e transmitter?? Or do I need the dx8??
Stumbled upon your channel after meeting you at Florida Ejets haha great vid
Welcome aboard!
I have the Freewing F-16 version with the inrunner motor from the E-flite Viper Jet, no upgraded retracts yet but had to do a little foam cutting to get the motor fitting correctly which wasn't much but she is a rocket in the air..... I've always wanted to see a comparison between the 2 jets and this video is really good so Thanks for this 👏🏾👏🏾 Props to you Sir
Just when I was ready to get this 90MM version Freewing discontinued production... So is there any difference between this version and the 80MM besides the size
I think you left out an important point, eflite is probably easier to see in the air and also with the paint job better orientation.
I'm actually after an F-16 so thank you. Both look like great options to be fair, but the freewing version just looks more like the real jet. I appreciate the scale details on it so I think that's the one for me.
Did u get the fw. I like it much more then the fms. It's more scale and the inrunner high performance is much better then fms
What did you set the control gains on the admiral receiver? What was your preferred Rates and Expos for Freewing?
Do they both have reverse thrust? Thanks
The gyro is one thing I have to hand to eflite,the as3x works fantastic on any size plane they put on it
I bought my F-16.. Fighting falcon.. and I only paid $275 for it.. through motion RC and it came with a V2 and it came with the aluminum retrax... And the new in runner 2957-2210 KV.. and I put a hundred amp adjustablle. Ztw ESC.. all I did was advancement timing to 15 degrees.. and it pulls right at 2,000 Watts. And I use a 4500 milliamp battery 80 c... And we clocked it at 142 miles per hour.... My friends FMS 70 mm Thunderbird couldn't even catch.... And when I bought this I got a good deal on it.. if you want to go fast go with freewing...... FMS is okay BUT FREEWING IS THE BEST!!!!! NOW WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE!!!!
@kevincombs1618 i couldn't agree more. freewing is the best
You didn’t mention battery remaining after 3 minutes. Did you have plenty of reserve?
Nice flying as usual Wesley! Lori great camera shooting.
Awesome comparison video. I have both also. Amazing birds. Happy Flying, Skip OH, BTW Just subscribed. Great channel Dude
Thanks Skip great to have you at the Boozers been watching your videos for years funny I’m doing it now haha
Morning Wes and Lori. You did a good job Landing the freeway F-16 certainly made up for your takeoff. I definitely agree there are virtually identical I think the E-flite has a slightly better flight time and a little bit more on the top end. I remember you saying from your F-35 review on Ryans show that you started flying in 1993 same as me believe it or not!
Awesome review and great video👍🛫👌
Very nice video and thank you. From my purview, I have to give EF F-16 Thunderbird the edge. I'm building up to move into the EF F-16 Thunderbird or Falcon 80mm.
I did the third option with the Motion RC F-16. I bought the ARF plus version, without the motor and ESC. I put in a JP Hobby all metal fan/motor, amd ESC combo, and I fly it with a 6S 5000 pack. To make it the ultimate speed demon, i removed the retracts completely and taped over the openings, and I didn’t install the fins on the bottom of the fuselage. This allows me to hand launch this plane, and belly land it. We don’t have paved runways anywhere nearby, and these mods help the plane go even faster. This thing screams, and is always a head turner when I fly it. :)
I did the same thing to my.. Dynam. V3 meteor... All aluminum JP fan... And since this jet is very light.. we clocked it at 152 mph... And we did this with only a 4S battery 4000 milliamp 60 c... But I used 150 amp ESC gecko.. adjustable... We adjusted it to just 8 degrees advance... And it pulled over 2,200 watts.on the watt meter.... Not bad for $150 jet... It's fun to go to the airfield and outrun.. everybody that's running a 80 mm to a 90 mm.... They keep asking me how am I making this fast and I don't tell him anything I just tell him it's all stock..
Great review and video.
Nice landings.
Glad to see Eflite can hang with Freewing.
RCWeaven FPV it really is a toss up on this one. After flying them it really is hard to pick between them. Guess that’s why I have both lol
Very good and fair review, nice flying too.
Thanks Wes, I’ve really been torn about these since the artic camo is really my favorite but really like the entire package with the E-flite, however I’m glad to see that Freewing now offers the F16 in the pro edition with the upgraded motor and retracts now which may help with my decision, if the offered the camo in a 90mm I wouldn’t have to decide, I’ve really been thinking about getting the 90mm Freewing F16 in the grey and just doing what you and I love to do.....an artic camo airbrushing repaint. BUT WAIT....then I go to the HSD F16 camo which I’d get in the turbine frame and set up with a high proformance JP fan and all would be right, but by the time you do the jet, retracts, ESC, and fan, oh and let’s not forget the receiver/gyro, now my wallet is going, ouch. Man, the struggles....thanks for a great video Wes and showing us 2 really sweet birds, another awesome video👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👍🏼
Jeff’s Custom RC ok in my personal opinion the 70mm freewing is the plane for you. The 90mm F-16 is a brick and doesn’t fly anywhere close to as good as the 70. You will definitely not be disappointed in the 70 mm arctic camo free wing F-16 get one and thank me later. Just tell them who sent you. Also get the V2 freewing I linked in the description for $259 with the in runner motor and upgraded re-tracks right out of the box you can’t go wrong
Merry Boozer RC thanks Wes, that’s the one I’ve been really looking at, so...you think I’d really like that better that the 90mm with the upgraded 1835kv ??? I would do a repaint on the 90mm to have the artic camo. I’m so torn, just not sure if I’d be happy with the smaller of the two since I’m used to flying 90mm.....damn the struggles 🤔🤪😖👊🏼👊🏼
Jeff’s Custom RC I have the 90mm F-16 and I’m really not a fan the 70 flys so much better
@@MerryBoozerRC yea the 90s are not that quick in talking about a few 90s too and 70s 80s are the best for speed performance and easy on batts I love the 70s 6s jets f16 is real good viper jet is good hawk ain't bad.
Honest review! Thanks for doing this.
Wait, how do you have flaperons and gyro stabilization on the FW F-16?
Update everyone just realized FW has a version of this plane now with upgrade struts from factory for $259 it will be linked in the description
It also has an upgraded inrunner on that one.
Flaperon settings?
Great review man!
Will the canopy on the freewing f16 work on the eflight f16?
Nope
@@MerryBoozerRC well I’m looking at the tinted canopy since mine is clear. I can use the canopy from mine but I removed the clear canopy and ordered the freewing smoked canopy. I think the actual foam canopies are different but the glass looks to be same.
Thank You Team Boozers, great stuff!
I wanna get the eflite Thunderbirds jet for my first, what transmitter can I get I've been looking at the dx6e transmitter but think I may need the dx8 both by spektrum?? Which transmitter can I use out of the 2??
The 8 if you want to use safe and have the radio that will grow with you as your skills progress
@@MerryBoozerRC ok but ifni didn't wanna use safe which I do then I could get the dx6e?? Just for reference is all
Well you can use safe with the DX6E but you can use safe select and all the features. On the F16 you can because it doesn’t have flaps. So you only are using 5 of your 6 channels meaning you have one open channel for save select. But if you get an airplane in the future that Jase retracts and flaps so a 6 channel plane you won’t have an open 7th channel for safe select. That’s the mane reason the DX8E was brought to market 😉
Great vs video! Congrats!
What flaperons mix are u using? Thanks a lot!!
Just a standard flap mix. Sorry that’s a bit vague of a question 🥰 but glad you enjoyed the video
@@MerryBoozerRC sorry about my english!! And thanks! I'll buy the e flite!
I was just looking for my first F-16 I've only owned sport jets. Just stumbled across this amazing channel of yours! Perfect timing, Obviously you can't go wrong with either one Horizon Hobby has great CS, Motion RC has great CS, between these two in my opinion it comes down to looks and the freewing is kicking ass in that department! I'm going for the freewing! That Arctic Camo is pulling at my Heartstrings lol.
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Brilliant videos look forward to more!
Rob
Definitely and the new version of the freewing makes it even more equal now comes with an inrunner and upgrade retracts right out the box you will love it 😍
the front strut on fw f16 is installed incorrectly, the trailing link should be front facing not backwards
Nas Khan I actually didn’t even look at that lol it’s not my plane. I borrowed the FW from a buddy at the field for the video but I will check it out
Hi wes I've just bought the freewing and upgraded the retracts as I fly off grass I'm planning on the maiden in the next couple of days ! Could you tell me the flaperon settings you have dialed in as I've been told they come in quite hot without them ? Great video as always guys 👍
Actually if you push your battery back like I show in the video you really don’t need the flaps I can definitely tell you my settings but in all honesty it will come in at a crawl if you keep the nose up and use throttle management coming in
I'll give that a go first wes as I fly my freewing hawk without flaps coming in ! Thanks for your advise buddy 👍
Great video! And sick eflite landing!
Which one can maintain a better high alpha during slow pass?
E-flite all day
Thanks! So doesn't that imply that the fan in the E-Flite produces more thrust? Or is it a combination of the ESC, gyro, airfoil, and the entire circuit?
@@cwwisk I don’t really know what it is that makes this plane high alpha so good but there’s really no plane I’ve ever flown that even comes close to this one you can hold full up elevator on it and fly around with just the throttle and it will not dip a wing or anything
@@MerryBoozerRC I guess that will probably be my next plane. Thanks for the help!
@@cwwisk one of my favorites goes with me all the time battery all the way back on this one
Freewing all day, looks more scale and I like the Arctic Camo. That is just my personal opinion. Plus, the Freewing seems to have more bang for your buck and with the ARF version, you can can make it your own.
Love my Freewing F-16. Arctic Camo is actually easy to see except in overcast.
What kind of transmitter do you use?
Ché Hamilton Sr. Ix12 Spektrum
The E-flight F-16 looks beautiful, and more scale. I'm hooked on this Thunderbird 70mm, and if it flies anything like it does in the SIM, then it's going to be my 1st EDF after many prop plane hours. I'll make good use of SAFE when landing as my runway s only 300' x 50'.
I got the freewing f16 with the upgraded motor and landing gear. I love it.
Motor upgrade?
what motor are you flying with?
There is one that is $219 that has a 3048-2150 kv motor and the one I got is the high performance $259 with a 2957-2210 kv motor and it comes with the upgraded landing gear also. It isn’t a night and day difference but it is faster.
@@trickmustang1994 thank you for the info. was woundering if the upgraded motor would make a big diffirence or not . i have the 4cell version and on it i can say the landing gear upgrade is well worth it!
Which Admiral Gyro are you using
www.motionrc.com/collections/airplane-gyros/products/admiral-rx600sp-6-channel-dsmx-compatible-receiver-with-6-axis-stabilizer
@@MerryBoozerRC Thank you sir...
Hi can you fly the fms on a 4500 mah lipo ??
Brian Scutt it’s an E-Flite but yes the freewing fits the large batteries better and now has a high performance version with the upgrade landing gear and I runner fan pre installed
@@MerryBoozerRC great ! That's the one Im ordering the high performance one. Only other upgrade I got is a gyro. The 21 dollar one that motion sells. You think the 4500 pack will effect the flight performance because of extra weight ??
Brian Scutt not bad it just won’t be able to fly as slow with the heavy pack the plane will handle it fine should have a nice flight time with it
What throttle % do you come in for landing, same as slow flight?
It’s not really a set % but it floats around 15-30%
@@MerryBoozerRC Ok I downloaded this Macross VF-31A for Phoenix sim and at 1/4 throttle its hard to land it. Maybe its close to accurate then if 15 to 30% throttle floats it.
www.supermotoxl.com/projects-articles/ready-to-drive-fly-models/macross-vf-31a-kairos-phoenix-rc-simulator.html
Great review! Thanks a ton. What were the battery stats after the 3 minute flight? Did they both come down with similar voltage values/amps drawn, or can one fly longer than the other due to more efficient system?
Thanks again, keep 'em coming.
Jorden Epps The E flight just barely edges is out I set both timers now to four minutes on these aircraft and I’m coming down with about 3.8 to 3.83 but if you fly at full throttle most of the flights four minutes is Max Always good to leave a little room to land
Great video. Helped me make my final decision.🏁🏁
Can’t go wrong ether way brother both great planes
Great video guys , love the F16 . All the best , Scott .....................
Do you have a link to the batteries also how much flight time did you get with those 3700mah
3:30 flight time and yes link will be below shortly
rcjetwerx.com/batteries/6-cell-batteries/
Where can I find this Admiral gyro?
www.motionrc.com/collections/airplane-gyros/products/admiral-rx600sp-6-channel-dsmx-compatible-receiver-with-6-axis-stabilizer
@@MerryBoozerRC Thank you! I'm gonna ask my wife to get me this plane. Thanks for the video! :)
@@MerryBoozerRC Is this receiver better or as good as the Lemon stabilized rx?
I like them so far I haven’t had any problems out of the them. Anyway I like it get one give it a try
I like the agressor scheme a little better.
I love the camo scheme of the Freewing but the E-Flite definitely seems faster.
Do you use anything besides sub trim on these like Aileron to rudder mixing, Dual Rates & Expo or switched Flat throttle curves for slow flight and landing?
I like 15% expo and I set up dual rates no mixing
Looking awesome wes 👍
Great job boozer, hey quick question. Has your dad made it to Maine yet?
Oh ok, I just didnt want to miss them. The boozers need there Dave's Rc T's. Paul Hatcher is going to be in Portland tomorrow. I'm going to meet up with him at some point to give him a shirt and his ESC that he won. Talk about cheap shipping. I should start making all contest winners come pick up there prizes in person. Sure makes it easy on me.
Thay are in D.C. so far getting closer every day
Nice demo Wes! 👍✈️
DeucesWild RC only the best for you 😉
Nice review! I have both and I have to side with the freewing. They both fly great, but I have to say that the eflite has a slightly artificial feel with the gyro compared to the admiral. The freewing slows to a crawl as does the eflite. I feel completely connected to the freewing and the eflite I feel like I’m telling the gyro what to do. Finally...the eflite canopy kept coming off in flight. I’d say it’s an anomaly, but I’ve seen others with the same issue.
With a gyro, your not flying the plane, you're flying the gyro. I don't use them in anything. Don't like them at all.
WES I'm with you on this one. E flight is the choice for me as well. I think it has A wider Flight envelope and If you gotta have camo Wich I don't care for. You can costomized to your heart's content. Great review you made them both look awesome 👍👍😎
Wes as I watch this again I noticed that you are wearing the same shirt I have on today. And I don't think anyone could make it look as good as you do 😉👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Cheers Great vid ,great flying but WTF was that ??Was that a drone that dropped down behind the plane at 8.42 ,very strange any body else spot that!
6s?
Those are some seriously greased landings. Nice flying!
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Merry Boozer RC already done after the first video I saw!
Thanks brother we really are trying hard
Nice job on the video.
Can I ask why this comparison is important as the eflite model has not been availible for almost 10 years..Are they putting out this model again?
??? There out now for like 3 months
Yea I looked it up..the older ones used a 55 mm fan..
I can tell you the E-Flight is my second favorite jet I’ve flown all year
Hey Guys , I need to know the AS3X settings for this Plane , bought the pnp version . can anybody help me ?
You can contact horizon and they can sell you an as3x receiver for it. Otherwise you will need to buy a receiver and download the settings.
RC Airmarshal knows all about programming them check out his channel
@@MerryBoozerRC Thanks for the Info! on the Spektrum Side I downloaded the SRM file for the F-16 : had to copy manually the settings on my AR636 Receiver . The Spectrum software is not so smart as they always tell us . I already had some serious problems with the software in the past .
Nice review. They both look pretty nice, but in your last shot where they are both sat on the ground in front of you, the Freewing has a much more scale sit on its gear. The Elfite looks a little toy like on its tall stalky legs.
Great to have choices right hopefully this helps you make a decision
@@MerryBoozerRC It did, and quite right - the eflite one would be better for those grass runways! :)
Yeah I'm going with fms. Their F-16 runs on an inrunner and i get 4.5-5 minutes and its awesome.
I'm building one bush air plaine at home but I difficult mount tail wheel
What are the "upgraded retracts" I keep hearing about? I'm new to the hobby and know nothing..... yet.
Rickey Nelson Jr they are suspension retracts made out of machined aluminum really nice basically like little shock absorbers. The new version of the freewing actually comes with them now
@@MerryBoozerRC thank you for replying. Like I said earlier, I'm new to this hobby but love it a lot. I want to go EDF but at the moment I have a puller propeller rc plane. I intend to use both types of rc planes but I'm clueless as to what radio I need that will work with any rc plane. I pretty much need a list of all the things I would need to be successful in this hobby while having fun. Any help or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Awesome flying by the way. I hope to be on that level soon. I've only flew my rc plane 2 times. Would it be stupid jumping to an EDF so soon?
@FPV ersity awesome.... are you in the central Florida area?
hello wesley mai i know yor gc on eflight?thabks
I don’t have the measurements on this one but any 3700-4200 I fly all the way aft in the battery bay
@@MerryBoozerRC thanks wesley😍
still flying my fw yf-16 yea its a hobby lobby 11 yr old plane with fms 11 blade edf, foamies have come a long way. may need to buy a newer foamie edf ,, hard choice ,,, but fms seems to have put a little more effort into edf and landing gear,, fw is behind from what ive seen ... but i do not own either , just an observation ,,, great vid wes still can't make up my mind on which new edf i want, L39, A10 etc so much too choose from ,which is good...when is storch time????? bigger flies better mmm inav 405 matek fpv floater ,,, can't beat balsa
michael honeychuck so storch is hopefully flying Sunday and video will need to be edited. To be honest if I could only have one jet it would be an avanti s just saying best all around Jet great preforming and great landing gear for grass
Actually the plastic retracts are actually better ,I ordered the plastic re tracks and put them in my e-flite not a problem since
Or, buy the Freewing F-16 version that comes with the suspension struts and upgraded inrunner motor from Motion RC for $259. That would be a more fair comparison.
Thomas Ellison but the receiver is still $40 that’s where the $295 price came from in the video
Thomas Ellison I feel this was a fair comparison both planes fly great and at the end of the day it’s still your choice on what to buy lol
Thomas Ellison I didn’t realize they had a new version of the FW I have updated the description and I apologize for that thanks for bringing it to my attention. At the end of the day I’m not payed for this and just trying to bring the best content I can on my budget.
So u have to buy a receiver as well ??
BNF planes come with the receivers PNF don’t
Would love to see some full power runs and acrobatics
It’s coming. Also the Dora video we did of just it I ripped it around
The E-flite has a SAFE option - did you mention that?
but no flaps and did you say flaperons are NOT an option?..... is that because ailerons are y - harnessed together ?
lw216316 you can’t program flaperons with the stock as3x receiver. Yes it has safe but in my opinion if your buying a 100mph plane you sold be past needing safe. It’s a great tool but I feel it’s allowed people to fly things the shouldn’t.
So - for flaperons, its a software restriction by the receiver and not a mechanical restriction by a y- harness. I have put flaperons on an AR620 receiver - but did not know it won't work on a 636 (or 636a) whatever is in the F-16.
As for the safe option - since a wide variety of pilots watch your review, I suspect there are some who would like that option and others who will not activate it during the bind. Even if it is activated during the bind it can be programmed to a switch and used or not used as desired.
Not all safe options are the same. Some planes allow it to function like a beginner mode and some planes I've had allow it to function only as an emergency mode to get you straight and level - and you then need to get back to your normal mode quickly to get enough control surface movement to get the plane back to you.
Here is a maiden flight on the F-16 by theRcSaylors who review lots of planes. He using safe on the maiden and it has a good amount of deflection allowed on the controls.
ua-cam.com/video/j7NA9mWZD98/v-deo.html
I like using safe on a maiden if there is a good amount of control.
After that I only use it as an emergency switch.
The Marlin was my first jet. I'm planning to move up to the F-16 soon - so the safe option looks good to me.
Exactly if you buy the plug and fly and ad your own receiver you can do flaperon but to be honest you don’t need them on this plane the slow flight is crazy good
@@MerryBoozerRC That's a good option to consider. I could get an open stock receiver and add a gyro (with or without a safe option). I recently bought an A3 Pro with plans to try it in an old plane but maybe I'll try it in the F-16 ! So if I get the plug and fly then the leads from the wings on the F-16 are accessable so I can plug them into separate ports so I can set up flaperons ?
Should be but if I’m being honest I put them on once and never took them off so I can’t remember.... but buy the BNF with AS3X trust me this bird doesn’t need flaps. Truly it is the best jet on the market currently in my opinion... not fancy but best flying
Why does emgstore say they're only 20$
brandon dellangelo because emgstore is a fake and is trying to scam everyone unfortunately we have reported them but UA-cam is slow to respond
I would buy another F16 90mm if it came in camo. The 70s are to easy to lose orientation especially on cloudy days. 80mm would be even better if they made them.
Let's see a 4 point roll down the runway also using rudder and keeping it axial without the 60 degree pitch up.
Ok I can do it for you I just like the arch looks cool to me
Also, if I may offer a tip for video recording of the airplanes in flight. Disable auto-focus, and use manual focus. Before recording, with manual focus enabled, focus on an object off in the distance. For example that white house next to the tree that is seen right after take off (1:34 mark). Additionally, in order to have a chance at keeping the fast close-in passes within the shot, you have to stand a few yards back from the flight line, and use zoom (sparingly) in and out as needed. I learned all of these the hard way when I was recording at events.
One of my favorite videos I shot a while ago: ua-cam.com/video/cXDysFb_BR4/v-deo.html
I have the E Flite the front landing gear are week and poor in designed, dont just take my word for it ! so many replacements are needed that they cant fill the order!
Same here brother I’ve bought like 5 of them freezings landing is way more durable
Cause it’s trailing link if only Eflite did that
Those seagulls at 7:38 ! Wingman broke rank! lol
just looking around the net, it seems like the eflite and the FMS is the same plane. but comes in a more realistic paint scheme instead of the thunderbirds paint. www.fmsmodel.com/fms-70mm-f-16c-fighting-falcon-pnp
Except the Thunderbirds paint scheme is a real paint scheme.
Nice review, I am thinking of getting one of these. I believe the Eflite might work for me better because of the High Alpha it does and I love the paint coloring. Also, if I wanted to paint it differently, it would not be as hard to cover than the Artic. My brother likes the Artic Camo, thats his chioce. Nice video. Keep them comming.
If you look at scale though, freewing has it on the spot because the eflite F-16 has too much ground clearance in the rear for scale. The freewing has the right height and ground clearance.
Your final verdict assumes that everyone is flying Spektrum radio and want a gyro in their plane. That is not always the case.
but it is most of the time ;)
@@MerryBoozerRC Wes, that is subjective opinion, my friend.
@@shelbyseelbach9568 haha 😂 I know I like to joke around
@@MerryBoozerRC I know you do, you maniac!
$259.00 for the Arctic Camo.. love the looks of that one.. hmmmm
I have several new unused receivers setting in my build room right now, with and without gyro! LOL
is one easier to see while flying vs the other?? (say the camo version... LOL)
Depends on the day on a cloudy day the E-Flight was easier for me to see. But on a cloudy day I like the Freewing. Haha my honest opinion the paint jobs on the freewing is better. It’s just a hard choice. Just remember tell them the boozer sent you whatever you choose. They both fly great 👍
Do high speed passes!
It's a Ford Chevy thing they are both good
Chevy and Dodge thing
No dodge on this channel I don’t like walking 😂
The e flite it does high alfa easy too
Yep
we need to see the cobra
What cobra are you talking about?
Merry Boozer RC it’s an aircraft maneuver invented by boyd and used by the russians. it’s when you put the plane into a high aoa and still fly level across. it’s pretty complicated but they had it in the reveal trailer for the e flite 16
I gotcha I know what your talking about now you will enjoy the video coming up on them I actually posted a video to Instagram of me doing it 4 ft off the ground lol. But you will see it in the future episode
My free wing f-16 went in the garbage. After having it accelerate to full throttle and having zero control over the model twice and trying to replace parts to get it to work, I just threw it away. I was sick of dealing with it. The avanti is the way to go!
It flies nice
Guys if you want to save money get the 64mm f 16 from e flite. You will save around $100-$200
Had the freewing , I loved it butt I walnt buy another one just because freewing has jacked their prices way up , so screw freewing and motion RC ! Only e flite now !
jim bob fms f16 is better and has a better inrunner eflite fms is the same f16
FREEWING sounds more like a jet...
Looks better too I think... Although, im partial, because I own a FREEWING F-16 90mm with afterburner!!!, F-86 SABER, AND MY FAVORITE, MY FREEWING BAE HAWK 70mm!!!! Im getting 6 minutes with the HAWK with moderate flying.... 3/4 Throttle is usually all i go up to. I dont have as nice as place to fly.... At FULL throttle im across 2 football size fields in seconds!!!! Planes are cool,
✈ BUT JETS RULE!!!
The Freewing definitely more scale than the Eflite.
Chris Gaalen I agree thee freewing is more scale.... but after about 10 flights I actually like the E-Flite just a hair more. That being said there both awesome
Love the f16s . Prefer the white one (more lively) to avoid being too militaristic.
So you want a non militaristic f16 jet fighter.
Maybe next you can get a not too fast top fuel funny car?
Great video on both planes, just one thing you say they are both locked in and stable, you are using gyro on both of them meaning once correct cg set they are going to be stable with the gyro, would be nice to see them flown without gyro to give a real comparison.
Just my thoughts.
Unfortunately the E-Flite Gyro is so good and it can’t be turned off also I wouldn’t want to it flys amazing with it. I don’t normally fly the freewing with a gyro I like the way it feels without it. I have the fly hard f-16 video in that I didn’t use a gyro on the freewing
Merry Boozer RC thanks a million for your reply, yes just watched that other video, I personally never use gyros and have just purchased the free wing f 16 and waiting for an upgraded edf unit, looking forward to its maiden 👌
Michael McGowan you will enjoy it flys great
Merry Boozer RC cheers looking forward 👍☘️