@spaghebbio Seriously, that's a fanboy take if I've ever seen one. Why buy the lesser more expensive option just because at 4k performance would be similar. Also, lets not forget that you would have to invest in an entirely new platform, bloating the price even more.
this is great and all but 5800x3D has just so many many many many less people than the 5700x3D, worldwide. Nobody buys the 58 in china, brazil, india and eastern europe, mostly because it's double the price of the 57
If you lived next to a Microcenter in the US, the 7800x3d was around $250 for most of its life, if you bundled a motherboard and ram, which most people needed anyway because it's a new platform. The 7800x3d is the best CPU I've seen in my life. I honestly don't know how Intel ever competes with that.
For gaming it's a slam dunk indeed. Not even AMD has another CPU competing with the 7800X3D. But for people who do want high performance for other workloads, it's really hard to pick a processor since the 7800X3D doesn't cut it. The most shocking part of picking another CPU is that in every game the order of performance really gets mixed up. Even the 7900X3D en 7950X3D get owned by really cheap CPU's in some games. And the 7900X3D and 7950X3D are pretty meh with other applications.
@@PaintrainX Except, you know, the 7950X3D. The only way said CPU gets "owned" is because the tester was improperly setting up the CPU. Any review older than 2 months is essentially invalid, because almost every single one was done without core parking.
Intel competes because of QuickSync and their chips' iGPU. AMD just straight up cannot work with certain media codexes. For gaming, AMD no question. But for productivity or all-in-one rigs, unfortunately, a lot of people still have to use Intel.
I reeeeeeeally hope we arent going to see 5% year after year and turns out the ryzen 5000 series was the sandy bridge of AMD followed by disgusting monopoly practices.
@@Definedd it clearly is a major rework over Zen 4, the front end has had big design changes. And that shows in Zen 5 EPYC, delivering biggest gen over gen performance gains of all the Zen's. Desktop variants just didn't see any meaningful performance increase, that could be two things, either the reuse of Zen 4 IO die or that the arc upgrades just favors the kind of workloads in EPYC more. Either way Zen 5 is overall a huge success for AMD. We have yet to verify the 9000 X3D parts performance gains. 9800X3D has 200mhz higher boost clocks and 500mhz higher base clock, it's obvious that it will set it self apart from 7000X3D.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Considering the fact that they always use "Up to" to exaggerate their performance, -26.5% is not a gross exaggeration, at least when comparing Intel's and AMD's performance in Cyberpunk 2077 which is more than 25%.
@@B3tterEv3ryDay W CPU, I've been so impressed with it since I got it. Crazy to think I'm running the fastest gaming CPU while paired with a £29 thermalright air cooler. It's cool & whisper quiet in games.
The sad part about it there is absolutely no reason to get this over AMD. Not for productivity, gaming or even power efficiency. AMDs offerings are better in each of those categories. And that is not good. We need competition or the market won't move forward and consumers are going to get screwed over.
sadly the ONE thing I need from intel (quicksync) doesn't really have an alternative for AMD (that has the same support and abilities), but at this point I might as well get an AMD CPU and throw in an arc 310
True, but reducing power for the same performance is a necessary step for intel to get to a place where they can compete. 18A is the node that will either make or break intel (and competition). If they don't deliver someone should slap them with a kipper or something
AMD Is only at 25 per cent market share currently. Would like to see them get to 40 or more. With Arrow/Lunar, Intel has made significant changes to their architecture but this new approach hasn't translated into real world gains just yet. At least, with this approach, Intel's chips aren't as power-hungry any more. I'd like to see how Intel's 3d tile approach to chips with big/little cores evolves. Yes, we need a competitive Intel and making their chips more efficent is the first step.
I bought a 7800X3D for so cheap four months ago, and I cannot express how happy I am with its performance. I’m just shocked by how much the other chips are not smacking other chips for performance. I’m lucky too considering the price now.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP The only thing Intel has going for it is Quicksync video encoding. For productivity, compilation, compression, browser performance, etc. AMD is on top.
in theory, multithreading shouldnt matter. And for intensive tasks that is correct. For lighter loads like gaming.. wow BIG surprise.. it does matter and without you lose up to 25% performance.. Who could have known.
My guess is old Intel architecture reached its limits, Now they're reinventing new architecture for future improvements, and it's not surprising that it's not that good.
@@jagermeisterhots Gamers can't win all the time. I have a 7950X3D so unless the 9950X3D blows all expectations in productivity there will be no need for me to upgrade. That said Zen 5 provides a near 20% uplift in compiler profiling which is basically half the reason (the other being regular code compile) I need as many cores as I can get. So while gamers are bored to tears or feel left out others are very happy with Zen 5. It remains to be seen what Arrow Lake will actually do once Intel get their act together.
i mean, my 10900k has lasted me insanely good for the soon 4 years i've had it, still runs really good in 3440x1440, ran a 4090 with it and it smashed everything, now i run a 4070ti and it still runs insanely good. a 5800x3d will be MORE than enough for the coming 3-4 years
The amazing thing is, watching the GN video about it all way back, it seems the whole idea was initially done as just a what-if experiement rather than a deliberate plan from the outset, so it could almost never have been a thing.
It really suggests no one at AMD/Intel was talking to game developers. If they had been the devs would've surely showed them some testing that indicated just how cache-bound most games were.
@@Dr.WhetFarts TSMC figured out how to bond chips without micro bumps (the technique used in HBM). AMD got the bright idea to use it for cache. However the yields were atrocious and it took TSMC so long to perfect their own invention that AMD had V-Cache connecting pads on Zen 2 without ever bringing Ryzen 3000X3D to market. It wasn't until quite late in the Zen 3 cycle that they got it working with acceptable yields.
My 5800x3d hits 5749 on 4 cors , 5699 on the other 4 cors . Under voltage-30 all cores , 120 -70-120 I'm good 4070 super 12gb. 78c max temperature on my cpu . 1440p 240hz 27in monitors.
Price increased because it went out of production only. 9800X3D reviews hit in a week or so. 20% improved ST perf and 30% improved MT perf + unlocked for OC on top. I have seen Far Cry 6 fps tests with 13%, 15% and 16% higher fps than 7800X3D.
Same as well. the 7800X3D handles everything so efficiently, not just in its intended use in gaming, where there is no remote competition against the 7800X3D until the 9800X3D releases.
High five...I bought this CPU after 8 years of using legendary Sandy Bridge 2600k @4.8GHZ wich is working to this day in my Second PC and this was the best decision I made since buying GTX1080TI. This is still beast CPU and it eats I7 Core Ultra7 and sometimes I9 or Core 9for breakfast with two times lower power consumpion🤯 GOAT CPU🔥
Proud 7800x3D owner, what always impresses me is how it’s been the fastest on the market for so long now in terms of gaming, while also being among the least power hungry CPUs. Total slam dunk from AMD, it’s the CPU equivalent of the 1080TI lmao. (Seriously, 60w of power draw at 1080p?? Just wow.)
My i7-12700K at 1.23 volts reaches similar wattages while gaming. I still remember it gave me hundreds of fps on CSGO while drawing around 45 watts. When i first turned on the PC the voltages were broken at 1.41 volts and 220 watts on Cinebench for whatever reason, now it's 150. When i play PS3 games my 12700K is equivalent to a Ryzen 9 7900X, the 7800X3D isn't that impressive, it does pretty well because it boost IPC over vainilla Zen 4 which is mediocre. Back then when Intel made Alder Lake (Sandy Bridge 2.0) the e-cores were actually efficient and helpful. With Meteor Lake, they made Intel Bulldozer and Arrow Lake is Piledriver. They killed hyperthreading on the perfomance cores hurting 1% lows and frametimes and the switch to chiplets killed any real IPC gains.
I can just imagine Steve slowly losing more and more hope each time after seeing each consecutive result. Just one after the other, after the other, after the other. Great job Intel. You’ve let us down again! We do *want* to see you succeed you know!
It's probably even worse cost per frame compared to 7700 non X as those can be had for 200-220 $/€ and with couple small tweaks should perform like X variant.
This as meaningless as shaking your fist at Microsoft and announcing to the world you'll be running Linux😂 They don't care about you lil bro. Enterprise is where the monies at.
It still cracks me up to see the top performing gaming CPU also sit at the lowest power consumption of the bunch. Intel isn't knocking the 7800X3D off the top any time soon.
By appearances the Windows 11 updates have pulled the 5800X3D back ahead of Alder Lake in gaming, and breaks even with the Arrow Lake chips tested herein as well as “lesser” Raptor Lake chips. Only the top Raptor and Arrow Lake chips beat it and even with Arrow Lake’s significantly improved efficiency they have to consume significantly more power to do it. Talk about impressive.
At least now it makes sense why they had to change the naming scheme.. Anything to make it slightly harder to compare directly with the 13th/14th gen equivalents.
I usually play these videos on the background while I'm working, when the video started, I didn't hear the "Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed", which prompted me to open the video to see the horror, Steve is standing :o
Just look at the 5800X3D but knock a few FPS off the numbers mentally. That works for nearly all games. (GamersNexus did find some Final Fantasy game where the 5600X3D beat the 5700X3D because the game cares a lot about clock speed and 5700X3D has a slower clock speed, but otherwise the 5700X3D is nearly always just slightly below the 5800X3D on the charts)
Then go watch Gamers Nexus review, you'll be plesantly surprised by how well it holds up against Arrow Lake CPU's, I own one and believe me... the best choice I made in recent years for how cheap it was. 5800x3D is pretty much non-existent nowadays, there is no better option on AM4 than the 5700x3D.
Wondering why in the last two reviews the 7600X is not included in the cost per frame graph. It seems like it would be at or near the top of the chart.
I think yeas but how looks like in the new test the "old" AM5 is the king in one test which is one of the important test for the gamers how much performance you get for your money...
They have exact problems like the first gen ryzen. Good for productivity, bad for gaming and high power usage. I had R5 1600, wanted to support AMD but in reality the chip was crap, barely had 60fps in GTA V.
@@kanta32100Except the fact that had the chance to utterly dominate year after year and now...this is just no excuse. The fact that a mere 7600X was outpacing these new units too is appalling.
@@musouisshin It was playable. But the cheapest i3 had over 100fps with the same RX480 gpu, settings maxed out ofc. Didn't buy new pc to play at low or medium.
i bought a 14700k a few months ago and it's been running smoothly. It does get hot but I really don't mind. I underclock it and everythings been running good so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
its same specs as zen5/...85ns to 95ns...its smt option that is not needed for higher core count workload...the SMT and HT is only for low core count workload that application designed to tell gpu to wait or cpu busy...everything moves along assemble line since all computers run programs like that....its why we get higher fps while increase latency than game console who don't when program designed differently when console don't have full fledged OS...its base on RealTime OS method kernels
@@andersjjensen Since there's no Turin-X(server X3D) AMD gonna flood the market with X3D chip. discontinued 7800x3d was a good option as Turin were miles better than Genoa. According to Dr. Ian from TechTech Potato, Genoa X werent requested by customer. Customer buying X3D server chip doesnt do release cadence upgrade. basically Genoa-X might stay in the server for over 5years or more. Since AMD has reworked L3 cache in Zen5, i suspect 2nd Gen V cache for Zen5 are gonna be cheap to produce. hence AMD can flood the market with X3D chip.
There's a scheduler issue. Some programs and games are using E cores when they should be using P cores. That's why the performance is so variable. This should be sorted soon.
11:58 Can somebody please explain to me the geomean numbers and how it differs from arithmetic mean? Because I am trying to "mean" it myself and I cannot seem to arrive to the same numbers, everything I tried seems to suggest Steve is using arithmetic mean and not geomean like he is saying in every other video? Or it is entirely possible I am just dumb. Thanks in advance anyone or Steve himself
Steve, thanks for the reviews, and all the testing to make them possible, I humbly request that future reviews talk about the iGPU and what performance looks like when using them.
I wanted to replace my good old 4790K for Arrow Lake. Even though I wanted a productivity focused build I can’t tolerate Arrow Lake being on par with intel 12th gen in Gaming. It‘s like they time traveled 3 years in the past.
Because intel arrow lake is currently leading in productivity. At least in my preferred 450€ price range which the 265k would have fallen in. 7950 is already slightly over my price range and 7950x3d is far off. Same with with Zen5. I think I can wait 2 more years and I hope that Nova Lake will be like arrow lake except it‘s actually good
@@andreasrs69Just bite the bullet and buy a 7950x which is going to be much better in productivity. You are already over 400€ , spending a little bit more for a better performance tier is worth it and clearly a much better choice than waiting 1 or 2 more years. Seriously unless you need to spend 50% more to achieve the next tier it is usually worth it to invest in it if the product is good
Please have a 8C8T competition from 285K VS 14900K VS 7800X3D, I'm really curious about eliminating e cores and potentially windows scheduling issues will effect the gaming performance..
Ryzen 9000 was underwhelming but of course we were promised a lot and while they're not bad, I could understand the major backlash. Intel's new offerings tried to temper our expectations and we were STILL disappointed on the gaming side, and not only that it came with stability issues that indicates that Arrow Lake was nowhere near ready to launch. At least from a productivity standpoint, Arrow Lake is shaping up to be decent, but for pure gamers, there's just no point. Especially if you're looking for value on a paltry budget...
This is actually a more expensive chip than raptor lake (which was already making almost zero margin) due to additional packaging, more expensive node, etc. There is nothing good about this chip.
Thank you for another excellent review! If there's one thing I missed, is something like a 5800x in the gaming results, just to see how far we've come from non X3D parts. :)
I guess 1080ti of the CPUs will be either 5800x3d or 7800x3d. I bought my 7800x3d from microcenter, the bundle included msi b650 motherboard and cl36 6000 ram. I paid $450 for that bundle without taxes. When you compare that value with new-generation CPUs, the new generation doesn't make sense.
Have you seen Steve GN's overview of how the new Intel draws power not just from the 12V EPS rail? So you probably undercounted the power draw significantly.
i'll be fine for the next couple years with my 14700KF (5.5/4.4 all-core). upgraded recently from Z690 + DDR4 to Z790 + DDR5 and i cannot be happier that i didn't wait for this release.
Did anyone see LTT point their review to HUB, stating it was more detailed, ie, HUB tested various Win versions. It's kind-of tragic Linus spent $1M on a testing lab and they still aren't that good, ie, they still don't understand all the nuances of game testing.
Testing approach is different, since the Ryzen 9000 incident Hardware Unboxed has used different versions of Windows to check if there are problems with it(In fact Arrow Lake is tested with W11 23H2 for better performance reasons), the LTT approach is more direct, they use the most recent system version(24H2) to run those tests and shown their results, so their tests and analysis are more simple.
Love the content, HUB. A note on graphs... I find the colors quite difficult to distinguish. I'm not color-blind, but folks with red-green or blue-yellow color blindness will likely find these bars very difficult to read. I know it'd be a departure from the traditional HUB color scheme, but ColorBrewer has ready made color-blind safe schemes.
How exactly did you test 285K? Did you used the APO driver? Did you enable "balanced performance" in the Windows 11 24H2 old control panel and maximum performance in the new settings?
I have a 7950X3D + XTX desktop and a Ryzen 7840U laptop (just so we're clear on me having a brand preference)... no I don't think so. AMD needs a fucking stomp in the face for diverting form their marketing practices. They were honest to withing a couple of percent with RDNA and RDNA 2 but lied through their teeth with RDNA 3. The same can be said for Ryzen up until Zen 5. At least Intel was closer on the mark with this one. Sure, the platform isn't baked yet, but with the discrepancies I've seen between channels (some actually get what Intel said, others have plonked results) I'm willing to cut Intel the benefit of the doubt. Once BIOSes and Windows is sorted Arrow Lake should land where Intel said to with a couple of percent. TL;DR: Misleading marketing should ALWAYS get companies roflstomped, and honest marketing should ALWAYS get them a fair review based on merit and value alone.
Thanks for the review. It would be nice if you could add some older gen CPUs like 9900k in your benchmarks. I assume the 9900k is almost on par with 12600k, but still it would be nice to see if older gens like the 9900k are worth upgrading. For now I think I'll keep mine for at least one more generation, not feeling investing 700€ for underwhelming upgrade.
Excellent 265K review. I liked that you used the EPS 12 V rails to measure CPU watts. This requires equipment most users do not have. Therefore I would also like to see the power of the entire computer without the monitor. It is clear that if gaming is the primary purpose of a computer Core Ultra should not be used. I would speculate that spreading performance cores around the CPU to reduce the thermal spike of a relatively cool core getting full thermal boost when a thread is passed to it from a hot performance core takes additional time because it is using different level 2 or level 3 caches.
The 9800X3D, even though it's going to be only 5%-10% faster than the 7800X3D, is going to make Intel basically irrelevant for gamers. People that use their PCs for work or workplaces that need a high core count CPU don't upgrade as often as avid gamers and enthusiastic consumers, and these guys will probably get either a 14900K or a 9950x, since they tend to be well educated on hardware. So basically you'll find Intel's new CPUs only inside prebuilts 😂
Isnt the arrow lake mainboard drawing more from the 24pin connector for some unknown reason ? So comparing just the cpu rail might not really be accurate.
people before intel releasing arrow lake, 'not having smt is not a problem in games as most game don't need smt to run well'. intel after releasing the cpu, same people:- 'we are gonna stay silent'
Idk why people are so sure about themselves when they talk about semi conductor and microsystems technology lol. Zen 5/arrow lake shows how remarkably dumb much of the community is. Myself flamed first few days at the Steves thinking its a windows issue and 9700x is more efficient. I will admit it.
It's crazy to hear 250-400 FPS in games is weak performance. It's still way beyond we need. Good to see i5 12600k in the graphs. Set it 5ghz all core and you still fine.
Weak because it has to be compared to other CPUs . If this is a GPU review, of course, 250~400fps is not weak but that is not what we're comparing here.
I agree this launch seems weird for Hub, The went scorched earth with zen5 But all be told their was an uplift but AL get the kiddy gloves. Will admit not going to take hub’s opinions serious going fordward they seem to of been bought.
The result of AMD vs. Intel marketing. AMD promised insane uplifts that didn't materialize, and Intel was more honest about the performance before release (this time around).
@@johnlong6197i wouldn't go as far as to say that they've been bought but I sorta understand. We do need to understand that this is a completely new arc n it will take a bit of time to address certain bugs and performance issues.
@@256shadesofgreythis. Intel this time didn’t underline their performance but their step forward efficiency wise. We expected a 5000-7000 series performance uplift from 7000-9000 and it didn’t happen. Basically marketing wise AMD flopped
If you only wear tinted glasses and care about just gaming it is a flop. But in this case everything is a flop except x3d. But productivity benchmarks that does matter (rendering, code compilation, AI) got big uplift. Cost per frame is between 7900x and 9900x. but 265k is significantly faster in blender, code compilation cinebench than both. Only concern is photoshop 2025 but photoshop always was weird software in utilizing cpu so i assume it could be bug considering premiere is back to normal. I use computer not just for gaming but for some work related tasks as well. Some computers are workstations that don't need threadripper but well performing cpu with igpu on board. We also have here NPU, far better intel's av1 hardware encoding than AMD. Also looking at phoronix benchmarks power consumption for intel is lower during webrowsing etc. comparing to AMD.... So if i builded office computer or multitask computer I think Intel takes crown at 245k/265k level. 285k not necessery.
Thanks for the hard work on putting this together. Now waiting on 9xxxX3D reviews... At least most of the work needed to assemble that is already done... unless Intel actually does somehow fix the perf.
So. He said the Ultra7 265K is better value compared to something AMD? When did he say that? Ofc it is compared to the Ultra9 285K that cost 50% more for 5-10% more performance.
The double standard in these video titles and thumbnails is crazy. Like, seriously, take soke time to scroll through this channel's videos. Almost every Zen 5 video thumbnail reads "Bad" this "Flop" that, "Disaster", "Terrible value" etc. Especially the value one is comical as Intel's arrow lake performs worse than Intel's own previous gen, AND has the audacity to ask you to switch to a new mobo socket yet somehow it's "much better value" LMAO. Intel releases literal e-waste and the thumbnail reads MUCH BETTER VALUE with the fact that it's trash literally hidden in the small print. Not just this channel either, Linus does this too. Only reputable source who never does damage control for Intel is Digital Foundry. Now i want to clarify this, i'm not saying these reviews aren't stating the facts INSIDE the video, but often times i notice misleading thumbnails in favor of Intel.
@@samarkand1585 It takes 30 seconds to check the channels uploads in the last 6 months. There are exactly 11 videos that are clear examples of what i've said.
@@samarkand1585 If you can't see the problem in the Zen 5 review thumbnail reading "Flop" (objectively the best platform with no close competition) and this one reading "Much better value" (when it's factually the worst launch in Intel's history) , then your opinion is irrelevant to me.
Interesting observation in the gaming benchmark: Every time the X3D's stand out very positively, the new Ultra models are standing out negatively. So is this some kind of caching issue?
ive noticed all reveiws completly leave off the 7600x3d processors in all there test is it not worthy to mention at all is there something wrong with adding it to these comparisons or is it a bad cpu period to have for gaming ?
Reviewers: AMD 9000 series is rather underwhelming.
Intel: Wait until you ve seen our line up....
I dont know why people are crying, if you have money you will play in 4k and cpu doesnt matter, so get a better job you low earners
@spaghebbio Seriously, that's a fanboy take if I've ever seen one. Why buy the lesser more expensive option just because at 4k performance would be similar. Also, lets not forget that you would have to invest in an entirely new platform, bloating the price even more.
Just like Zen 5 is a fantastic workstation CPU. If you game at 4K you will not notice the slightest worse gaming performance.
@@andi0138 You need a good cpu for high fps and low 0.1%. A mid tier CPU can easily do 4K at a respectable 60fps.
@@andi0138 Kümmerliche Vorstellung
Thank you for keeping the 5800x3D in the charts. It's a great reference point for Soo many gamers.
So many of us are debating a move to AM5.
It's a great indicator of how much performance we can expect to get from an upgrade.
They should keep something like 3600 or 5600X also on the charts to give a reference to an older mid-tier cpu.
If Intel keeps regressing like that, they will have to put the R5 3600 back.
My current box is 5800X3D and I too am very glad Steve is looking out for those of us on the top CPU of the not too old socket AM4.
this is great and all but 5800x3D has just so many many many many less people than the 5700x3D, worldwide. Nobody buys the 58 in china, brazil, india and eastern europe, mostly because it's double the price of the 57
thumbnail face is literally hide the pain harold meme love it
Hopefully Jarrod don't need to do that face when this cpu comes to laptop, btw really enjoy your videos.
Hide the pain Jarrod
"Hide the pain Steve"
"It's fine...."
More like "hide the suffering Steve"
If you lived next to a Microcenter in the US, the 7800x3d was around $250 for most of its life, if you bundled a motherboard and ram, which most people needed anyway because it's a new platform. The 7800x3d is the best CPU I've seen in my life. I honestly don't know how Intel ever competes with that.
For gaming it's a slam dunk indeed. Not even AMD has another CPU competing with the 7800X3D. But for people who do want high performance for other workloads, it's really hard to pick a processor since the 7800X3D doesn't cut it. The most shocking part of picking another CPU is that in every game the order of performance really gets mixed up. Even the 7900X3D en 7950X3D get owned by really cheap CPU's in some games. And the 7900X3D and 7950X3D are pretty meh with other applications.
My 5800X3D has been great!
@@PaintrainX Except, you know, the 7950X3D. The only way said CPU gets "owned" is because the tester was improperly setting up the CPU.
Any review older than 2 months is essentially invalid, because almost every single one was done without core parking.
Intel competes because of QuickSync and their chips' iGPU. AMD just straight up cannot work with certain media codexes. For gaming, AMD no question. But for productivity or all-in-one rigs, unfortunately, a lot of people still have to use Intel.
@@PaintrainX Thats a weird cope.
Intel did a great job making AMD's zen5 look good :'D
Intel is still better OVERALL
AMD is just decent in gaming
Intel > AMD
COPE
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP a perfomance regression overall is not what i'd call a success story
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Talking about cope...
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Where did you buy whatever you smoked before writing that? Because I want some.
@@Batman-bh6vwDon't feed the troll
Maybe this is why AMD wasn't worried about their performance being lower than expected.
I reeeeeeeally hope we arent going to see 5% year after year and turns out the ryzen 5000 series was the sandy bridge of AMD followed by disgusting monopoly practices.
@@ICeyCeR3AlIt worked Intel has so many fanboys
@@ICeyCeR3Al well AMD did claim zen 5 was like an entirely new design, so hopefully future architectures still have the big gains
@@Definedd it clearly is a major rework over Zen 4, the front end has had big design changes. And that shows in Zen 5 EPYC, delivering biggest gen over gen performance gains of all the Zen's. Desktop variants just didn't see any meaningful performance increase, that could be two things, either the reuse of Zen 4 IO die or that the arc upgrades just favors the kind of workloads in EPYC more. Either way Zen 5 is overall a huge success for AMD. We have yet to verify the 9000 X3D parts performance gains. 9800X3D has 200mhz higher boost clocks and 500mhz higher base clock, it's obvious that it will set it self apart from 7000X3D.
@@ICeyCeR3AlYeah, the Ivy Bridge and onward era was super boring
Core Ultra 7 -26.5%K
underrated comment xD
not funny anymore, -26.5% is just gross exagerration lol
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat Considering the fact that they always use "Up to" to exaggerate their performance, -26.5% is not a gross exaggeration, at least when comparing Intel's and AMD's performance in Cyberpunk 2077 which is more than 25%.
😂😂😂
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat "Up to 26.5% slower in some games, buy NOW!"
I bought my 7800x3d a year ago for like £ 310... Feeling pretty good right now seeing it still at the top :>
Bought one this year for the same price, before the intel fiasco. Best purchase ever.
dude that purchase will keep you gaming at top level for 6 years at least .. its a beast .. best buy ever
@@B3tterEv3ryDay W CPU, I've been so impressed with it since I got it. Crazy to think I'm running the fastest gaming CPU while paired with a £29 thermalright air cooler. It's cool & whisper quiet in games.
Probably the best 310 quid you will spend
First Zen5 and now this.. what is next 5090 is only 10% faster than 4090 for $2000 🤷♂
What a bargain the X3D line is.
The 5700x3d has basically identical performance but you can use it with your 7 year old motherboard 💀
And cost 150 usd...
8 years old. AM4 had its debut with Bristol Ridge APUs end of 2016.
@@classicallpvault damn i feel like an old hag😬
You are misinformed. 5700x3d passmark score of 26,000. 265K obliterates it at 59,000 score lol. What are you smoking?
My 7800X3D that I got for just 260€ (including tax) is looking like a great deal for gaming now.
$479CAD for mine back in mid 2023, top 5 best purchases I ever made for sure
260€ is wild. I got it for 350€ before the price was inflated.
@@megacoolartoin Poland the lowest price ever was 300
@@MegaChickenPunch In Finland our lowest ever was 311€ during christmas sales. What is the VAT % in Poland? We have 25,5%
@@heisen1815 It's $750 CAD now 😢
The sad part about it there is absolutely no reason to get this over AMD. Not for productivity, gaming or even power efficiency. AMDs offerings are better in each of those categories. And that is not good. We need competition or the market won't move forward and consumers are going to get screwed over.
sadly the ONE thing I need from intel (quicksync) doesn't really have an alternative for AMD (that has the same support and abilities), but at this point I might as well get an AMD CPU and throw in an arc 310
True, but reducing power for the same performance is a necessary step for intel to get to a place where they can compete. 18A is the node that will either make or break intel (and competition). If they don't deliver someone should slap them with a kipper or something
@@rustyshackleford7200will that work with another GPU? So in result we have RTX-something for games and intel 310 for quick sync?
AMD Is only at 25 per cent market share currently. Would like to see them get to 40 or more. With Arrow/Lunar, Intel has made significant changes to their architecture but this new approach hasn't translated into real world gains just yet. At least, with this approach, Intel's chips aren't as power-hungry any more. I'd like to see how Intel's 3d tile approach to chips with big/little cores evolves. Yes, we need a competitive Intel and making their chips more efficent is the first step.
@@rustyshackleford7200 Doesn't freesync do the job?
I bought a 7800X3D for so cheap four months ago, and I cannot express how happy I am with its performance. I’m just shocked by how much the other chips are not smacking other chips for performance. I’m lucky too considering the price now.
Zen 5% stays winning 😂
and thats even the worst part about it, as they maybe known what intel bring to the table beforehand..
Intel is still better OVERALL
AMD is just decent in gaming
Intel > AMD
COPE
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPNo?!?😂
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPINtel fanboys Cope harder.
-CPU instabilities
-Plattform cost much
-MB socket changes almost every generation.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP The only thing Intel has going for it is Quicksync video encoding. For productivity, compilation, compression, browser performance, etc. AMD is on top.
Why does this even exist? What the hell is Intel doing?
lol 😁
in theory, multithreading shouldnt matter. And for intensive tasks that is correct. For lighter loads like gaming.. wow BIG surprise.. it does matter and without you lose up to 25% performance.. Who could have known.
They are busy going out of business
@@joggabonkers6380 my OC'ed 14700k is much faster in gaming without HT and power is on same level as with arrow lake. AL is a joke.
My guess is old Intel architecture reached its limits,
Now they're reinventing new architecture for future improvements, and it's not surprising that it's not that good.
5800x3D will last us till AM6, this is great news
Every processor release since the 13600k and 7800 X3D being a collassal disappointment is anything but great news.
@@jagermeisterhots Gamers can't win all the time. I have a 7950X3D so unless the 9950X3D blows all expectations in productivity there will be no need for me to upgrade. That said Zen 5 provides a near 20% uplift in compiler profiling which is basically half the reason (the other being regular code compile) I need as many cores as I can get. So while gamers are bored to tears or feel left out others are very happy with Zen 5. It remains to be seen what Arrow Lake will actually do once Intel get their act together.
@@jagermeisterhots I just upgraded my AM4 to 128 gigs of ram and called it a day when 9000 series missed targets
i mean, my 10900k has lasted me insanely good for the soon 4 years i've had it, still runs really good in 3440x1440, ran a 4090 with it and it smashed everything, now i run a 4070ti and it still runs insanely good.
a 5800x3d will be MORE than enough for the coming 3-4 years
Who ever came up with these X3D processors deserves a monument
The amazing thing is, watching the GN video about it all way back, it seems the whole idea was initially done as just a what-if experiement rather than a deliberate plan from the outset, so it could almost never have been a thing.
TSMC did. It is their 3D package system. Ryzen 3D would not be possible without TSMC :P
@@Dr.WhetFartsTSMC just handles fabrication. If anyone deserves the credit, it's the engineers at AMD.
It really suggests no one at AMD/Intel was talking to game developers. If they had been the devs would've surely showed them some testing that indicated just how cache-bound most games were.
@@Dr.WhetFarts TSMC figured out how to bond chips without micro bumps (the technique used in HBM). AMD got the bright idea to use it for cache. However the yields were atrocious and it took TSMC so long to perfect their own invention that AMD had V-Cache connecting pads on Zen 2 without ever bringing Ryzen 3000X3D to market. It wasn't until quite late in the Zen 3 cycle that they got it working with acceptable yields.
5800X3D. What a beast of silicon it is, like the 1080GTX being a GOAT. It'll go down as an amazing long lasting and used CPU.
I have a 5800x3d with a 4090 and I've never felt like I needed a faster cpu.
The 5700X3D is 198€, the 265K 429€. Same performance!
You mean the 1080ti?
5800X3D / 6500XT here, still waiting for that excellent value GPU to drop to replace my "temporary" post covid piece of art...
My 5800x3d hits 5749 on 4 cors , 5699 on the other 4 cors . Under voltage-30 all cores , 120 -70-120 I'm good 4070 super 12gb. 78c max temperature on my cpu . 1440p 240hz 27in monitors.
I'm glad I bought the 7800X3D before the rapid price increase. It's an incredible gaming CPU that's also energy efficient with normal temps.
Yep, I got mine like 2 weeks before the prices went up by around 50-100€
Price increased because it went out of production only. 9800X3D reviews hit in a week or so. 20% improved ST perf and 30% improved MT perf + unlocked for OC on top. I have seen Far Cry 6 fps tests with 13%, 15% and 16% higher fps than 7800X3D.
@@Dr.WhetFarts Thanks for the info that's a nice performance increase for the next generation chip!
Same as well. the 7800X3D handles everything so efficiently, not just in its intended use in gaming, where there is no remote competition against the 7800X3D until the 9800X3D releases.
Got mine for 350€
5800x3d owners club
5700X3D owner hoping to at least hang out in the lobby. :D
High five...I bought this CPU after 8 years of using legendary Sandy Bridge 2600k @4.8GHZ wich is working to this day in my Second PC and this was the best decision I made since buying GTX1080TI. This is still beast CPU and it eats I7 Core Ultra7 and sometimes I9 or Core 9for breakfast with two times lower power consumpion🤯 GOAT CPU🔥
It's x3d gang the lethal blow AMD gave to Intel, there are games in 1080p where 5600x3d beats 14900k.
@@FeRu.Raprodukcja I did a similar switch way back, 5GHz 2700K to a 5600X, now to the 5700X3D.
@@mapesdhs597 X3D brethen is always welcome
Proud 7800x3D owner, what always impresses me is how it’s been the fastest on the market for so long now in terms of gaming, while also being among the least power hungry CPUs. Total slam dunk from AMD, it’s the CPU equivalent of the 1080TI lmao.
(Seriously, 60w of power draw at 1080p?? Just wow.)
My i7-12700K at 1.23 volts reaches similar wattages while gaming. I still remember it gave me hundreds of fps on CSGO while drawing around 45 watts.
When i first turned on the PC the voltages were broken at 1.41 volts and 220 watts on Cinebench for whatever reason, now it's 150.
When i play PS3 games my 12700K is equivalent to a Ryzen 9 7900X, the 7800X3D isn't that impressive, it does pretty well because it boost IPC over vainilla Zen 4 which is mediocre.
Back then when Intel made Alder Lake (Sandy Bridge 2.0) the e-cores were actually efficient and helpful.
With Meteor Lake, they made Intel Bulldozer and Arrow Lake is Piledriver.
They killed hyperthreading on the perfomance cores hurting 1% lows and frametimes and the switch to chiplets killed any real IPC gains.
Can't wait for 9800X3D reviews
I can just imagine Steve slowly losing more and more hope each time after seeing each consecutive result. Just one after the other, after the other, after the other. Great job Intel. You’ve let us down again! We do *want* to see you succeed you know!
If U7 265K is 14700K but worse doesn't mean theoretically it's same 13700K ? 🤔
At least it doesn't degrade (I hope)
@@GewelReal Remains to be seen.
@@ClarkCan All cpu,s degrade. Knew that 10yrs ago. and so do all gpu,s.
I want to nominate this award to my Reformed Orthodox rabbi Bill Clinton
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It's probably even worse cost per frame compared to 7700 non X as those can be had for 200-220 $/€ and with couple small tweaks should perform like X variant.
Additionally you save several hundred € with B650+DDR5 6000 compared to Z890+DDR5 8200.
7500F for 140€ would also look insane on the cost per frame chart
First impressions matter intel. I’ll be moving to AMD for my next upgrade. Shame as I was holding out for Arrow Lake.
Indeed. Could have bought a 7800X3D for 330€ half a year ago.
We tried to tell you after their Meteor Lake debacle.
This as meaningless as shaking your fist at Microsoft and announcing to the world you'll be running Linux😂
They don't care about you lil bro.
Enterprise is where the monies at.
It still cracks me up to see the top performing gaming CPU also sit at the lowest power consumption of the bunch. Intel isn't knocking the 7800X3D off the top any time soon.
By appearances the Windows 11 updates have pulled the 5800X3D back ahead of Alder Lake in gaming, and breaks even with the Arrow Lake chips tested herein as well as “lesser” Raptor Lake chips.
Only the top Raptor and Arrow Lake chips beat it and even with Arrow Lake’s significantly improved efficiency they have to consume significantly more power to do it.
Talk about impressive.
Oh shit he's standing 💀
Oh shit
Dude looks hench!
And no sweatshirt, it's really bad 💀
😮
Intel Arrow Lake, him standing for this review was predestined.
My 5800X3D turns 2 in a month. Glad to see it's still competitive 😅
I hope it stays I havent bought it yet but planning soon to buy 5700X3D as 5800X3D isnt in production anymore. Upgrading from R7 2700 it will be good
Damn, will be night and day coming from 2700 @@jawohlbxb3534
At least now it makes sense why they had to change the naming scheme.. Anything to make it slightly harder to compare directly with the 13th/14th gen equivalents.
Ryzen 7800X3D is a beast, can't wait to upgrade to the 9800X3D from my Ryzen 5700X.
and i thought AMD f_cked up with the 9000 release.
that is on a new level...
I usually play these videos on the background while I'm working, when the video started, I didn't hear the "Welcome back to Hardware Unboxed", which prompted me to open the video to see the horror, Steve is standing :o
At this rate he's going to end up standing on the ceiling. :D
i wish 5700x3D to be in these comprassions
Same performance, less than half the price.
Just look at the 5800X3D but knock a few FPS off the numbers mentally. That works for nearly all games. (GamersNexus did find some Final Fantasy game where the 5600X3D beat the 5700X3D because the game cares a lot about clock speed and 5700X3D has a slower clock speed, but otherwise the 5700X3D is nearly always just slightly below the 5800X3D on the charts)
😂😂😂
Then go watch Gamers Nexus review, you'll be plesantly surprised by how well it holds up against Arrow Lake CPU's, I own one and believe me... the best choice I made in recent years for how cheap it was. 5800x3D is pretty much non-existent nowadays, there is no better option on AM4 than the 5700x3D.
@@silvio351 watched that, it holds really well, good cpu
Standing? Steve needs to be on a ladder for Arrow Lake launch!
Wondering why in the last two reviews the 7600X is not included in the cost per frame graph. It seems like it would be at or near the top of the chart.
I think yeas but how looks like in the new test the "old" AM5 is the king in one test which is one of the important test for the gamers how much performance you get for your money...
What is going on at intel? ever since those glued together processors were released they've been discombobulated.
They have exact problems like the first gen ryzen. Good for productivity, bad for gaming and high power usage. I had R5 1600, wanted to support AMD but in reality the chip was crap, barely had 60fps in GTA V.
@@kanta32100 i had 1600 too but my performance was fine though i didnt get it on launch so maybe thats why
@@kanta32100Except the fact that had the chance to utterly dominate year after year and now...this is just no excuse. The fact that a mere 7600X was outpacing these new units too is appalling.
@@musouisshin It was playable. But the cheapest i3 had over 100fps with the same RX480 gpu, settings maxed out ofc. Didn't buy new pc to play at low or medium.
@@Iridiumcosmos They need to improve their gluing method with next gen.
Looking forward for you to test Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 to find out what CPU is the best for the upcoming release ♡
Me watching the 5800X3D 'Look at her go!'. The AM4 platform has to be the greatest ever at this point.
i bought a 14700k a few months ago and it's been running smoothly. It does get hot but I really don't mind. I underclock it and everythings been running good so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
The issue is fabric and memory controller. Arrow lake has 85-90ns latency
its same specs as zen5/...85ns to 95ns...its smt option that is not needed for higher core count workload...the SMT and HT is only for low core count workload that application designed to tell gpu to wait or cpu busy...everything moves along assemble line since all computers run programs like that....its why we get higher fps while increase latency than game console who don't when program designed differently when console don't have full fledged OS...its base on RealTime OS method kernels
I have 68ns on 9950x with 6000mhz cheap ram, you have no idea what you are talking about
57ns my 9700x ram 6200 cl28-36-36-36
Thanks for your Work.. Greetings from Germany
This Intel launch is going to help boost AMD's 7800X3D sales for sure.
The reason they've hiked in price is AMD has discontinued them. The 9800X3D is about to drop which will pick up the slack.
@@andersjjensen Since there's no Turin-X(server X3D) AMD gonna flood the market with X3D chip. discontinued 7800x3d was a good option as Turin were miles better than Genoa. According to Dr. Ian from TechTech Potato, Genoa X werent requested by customer. Customer buying X3D server chip doesnt do release cadence upgrade. basically Genoa-X might stay in the server for over 5years or more. Since AMD has reworked L3 cache in Zen5, i suspect 2nd Gen V cache for Zen5 are gonna be cheap to produce. hence AMD can flood the market with X3D chip.
@@noobgamer4709 Well, we will know soon enough.
There's a scheduler issue. Some programs and games are using E cores when they should be using P cores. That's why the performance is so variable. This should be sorted soon.
I'm waiting for the Ultra Celeron!
Don't go with dell with out prices for products in because they will just gang up on you and not even want to rape you in jail
11:58 Can somebody please explain to me the geomean numbers and how it differs from arithmetic mean? Because I am trying to "mean" it myself and I cannot seem to arrive to the same numbers, everything I tried seems to suggest Steve is using arithmetic mean and not geomean like he is saying in every other video? Or it is entirely possible I am just dumb. Thanks in advance anyone or Steve himself
7800X3D for PRESIDENT!
Steve, thanks for the reviews, and all the testing to make them possible, I humbly request that future reviews talk about the iGPU and what performance looks like when using them.
I wanted to replace my good old 4790K for Arrow Lake. Even though I wanted a productivity focused build I can’t tolerate Arrow Lake being on par with intel 12th gen in Gaming. It‘s like they time traveled 3 years in the past.
Um why haven't you bought a Amd GPU?
Because intel arrow lake is currently leading in productivity. At least in my preferred 450€ price range which the 265k would have fallen in. 7950 is already slightly over my price range and 7950x3d is far off. Same with with Zen5. I think I can wait 2 more years and I hope that Nova Lake will be like arrow lake except it‘s actually good
@@andreasrs69Just bite the bullet and buy a 7950x which is going to be much better in productivity. You are already over 400€ , spending a little bit more for a better performance tier is worth it and clearly a much better choice than waiting 1 or 2 more years. Seriously unless you need to spend 50% more to achieve the next tier it is usually worth it to invest in it if the product is good
The 7900 is productivity monster for 337€. And vastly more efficient.
4790K the gigachad CPU
Please have a 8C8T competition from 285K VS 14900K VS 7800X3D, I'm really curious about eliminating e cores and potentially windows scheduling issues will effect the gaming performance..
Ryzen 9000 was underwhelming but of course we were promised a lot and while they're not bad, I could understand the major backlash.
Intel's new offerings tried to temper our expectations and we were STILL disappointed on the gaming side, and not only that it came with stability issues that indicates that Arrow Lake was nowhere near ready to launch. At least from a productivity standpoint, Arrow Lake is shaping up to be decent, but for pure gamers, there's just no point. Especially if you're looking for value on a paltry budget...
i bought 7950x3d from productivity stand point and for playing games casually. no 285k and 265k gonna trump my 7950x3d.
I like the realistic memory pairings done here, nice work 100%
Not worth buying yet. Price needs to come way down.
What would need to change for yet to be yes?
This is actually a more expensive chip than raptor lake (which was already making almost zero margin) due to additional packaging, more expensive node, etc. There is nothing good about this chip.
mandatory thanks for the CS2 benchmark mate!!! Love ya guys.
#cs2 #counterstrike
Guess I'll stick with my 13600K.
I have it too. I may upgrade to ryzen 7 9800x3d if the performance is much better.
It's still a strange selection when you had Amd as a better option, why?
@@shiraz1736 I also have a 7700X build. I have 30 gaming rigs. :)
@@rasporilac same bro I have a 7700X build also.
oof, every time I see intel im just glad I have AMD instead.
We need a Black Ops 6 benchmark video. Everyone in my group went from 300 fps in MW3 to 150 fps in Blops 6.
The only hope we have that Steve will sit down again will be in the 9800X3D review.
Oh boy, more Zen 5%, can't wait for it to be only 2-4% faster than the 7800X3D 🥱
@@mjc0961 I know, but it's the only hope we have, otherwise he'll never sit down again when he does CPU reviews.
Thank you for another excellent review! If there's one thing I missed, is something like a 5800x in the gaming results, just to see how far we've come from non X3D parts. :)
I guess 1080ti of the CPUs will be either 5800x3d or 7800x3d. I bought my 7800x3d from microcenter, the bundle included msi b650 motherboard and cl36 6000 ram. I paid $450 for that bundle without taxes. When you compare that value with new-generation CPUs, the new generation doesn't make sense.
Have you seen Steve GN's overview of how the new Intel draws power not just from the 12V EPS rail? So you probably undercounted the power draw significantly.
That's probably why in this video and the one on the more expensive Intel processor they specifically mentioned the need to include it.
i'll be fine for the next couple years with my 14700KF (5.5/4.4 all-core). upgraded recently from Z690 + DDR4 to Z790 + DDR5 and i cannot be happier that i didn't wait for this release.
Good thing. I did the same for 13900k :)
14700k is the best value cpu to buy from Intel and it's not particularly close. It will age well.
Putting "I'll be fine" next to [a 14th gen Core product name] in the same sentence is certainly a bold move.
i love watching you make such a big deal out of these tests that are 1 fps between each cpu
Did anyone see LTT point their review to HUB, stating it was more detailed, ie, HUB tested various Win versions.
It's kind-of tragic Linus spent $1M on a testing lab and they still aren't that good, ie, they still don't understand all the nuances of game testing.
Testing approach is different, since the Ryzen 9000 incident Hardware Unboxed has used different versions of Windows to check if there are problems with it(In fact Arrow Lake is tested with W11 23H2 for better performance reasons), the LTT approach is more direct, they use the most recent system version(24H2) to run those tests and shown their results, so their tests and analysis are more simple.
why would you not include the 5950x for productivity workloads AM4 platform is still relevant
7800x3d 😍😍
Bought 7800x3d and never looked back
Love the content, HUB.
A note on graphs...
I find the colors quite difficult to distinguish. I'm not color-blind, but folks with red-green or blue-yellow color blindness will likely find these bars very difficult to read. I know it'd be a departure from the traditional HUB color scheme, but ColorBrewer has ready made color-blind safe schemes.
Steve, why are you still standing with an Arrow in your knee?!
God blessed him with a spare.
Granted, I'm sure the remaining line up will take said spare.
How exactly did you test 285K? Did you used the APO driver? Did you enable "balanced performance" in the Windows 11 24H2 old control panel and maximum performance in the new settings?
Perhaps you treated zen5 unfairly?
I don't think so. Zen 5% deserved criticism. Core -5% is just even worse.
zen 5% is flip flop its not amds first gen chiplet cpu.
Hardware unboxed is pretty objective, and I appreciate that. Unlike bias Linus
I have a 7950X3D + XTX desktop and a Ryzen 7840U laptop (just so we're clear on me having a brand preference)... no I don't think so. AMD needs a fucking stomp in the face for diverting form their marketing practices. They were honest to withing a couple of percent with RDNA and RDNA 2 but lied through their teeth with RDNA 3. The same can be said for Ryzen up until Zen 5.
At least Intel was closer on the mark with this one. Sure, the platform isn't baked yet, but with the discrepancies I've seen between channels (some actually get what Intel said, others have plonked results) I'm willing to cut Intel the benefit of the doubt. Once BIOSes and Windows is sorted Arrow Lake should land where Intel said to with a couple of percent.
TL;DR: Misleading marketing should ALWAYS get companies roflstomped, and honest marketing should ALWAYS get them a fair review based on merit and value alone.
Thanks for the review. It would be nice if you could add some older gen CPUs like 9900k in your benchmarks. I assume the 9900k is almost on par with 12600k, but still it would be nice to see if older gens like the 9900k are worth upgrading. For now I think I'll keep mine for at least one more generation, not feeling investing 700€ for underwhelming upgrade.
Here is a TLDR bois: 13:52
😂😂😂
Excellent 265K review. I liked that you used the EPS 12 V rails to measure CPU watts. This requires equipment most users do not have. Therefore I would also like to see the power of the entire computer without the monitor. It is clear that if gaming is the primary purpose of a computer Core Ultra should not be used.
I would speculate that spreading performance cores around the CPU to reduce the thermal spike of a relatively cool core getting full thermal boost when a thread is passed to it from a hot performance core takes additional time because it is using different level 2 or level 3 caches.
The 9800X3D, even though it's going to be only 5%-10% faster than the 7800X3D, is going to make Intel basically irrelevant for gamers.
People that use their PCs for work or workplaces that need a high core count CPU don't upgrade as often as avid gamers and enthusiastic consumers, and these guys will probably get either a 14900K or a 9950x, since they tend to be well educated on hardware.
So basically you'll find Intel's new CPUs only inside prebuilts 😂
The 5800X3D is holding up fantastically in gaming.
Ultra processors, ULTRA VALU..... Wait.
Thanks for the review.
Intels new way of naming their cpus is just as terrible as their new products.
Isnt the arrow lake mainboard drawing more from the 24pin connector for some unknown reason ?
So comparing just the cpu rail might not really be accurate.
I see that Intel re released the 12900K, great stuff...
That PC is looking even better this time around!
people before intel releasing arrow lake, 'not having smt is not a problem in games as most game don't need smt to run well'.
intel after releasing the cpu, same people:- 'we are gonna stay silent'
It is true that for gaming it doesn't matter terribly much. It's just that the CPU isn't very good regardless.
Idk why people are so sure about themselves when they talk about semi conductor and microsystems technology lol. Zen 5/arrow lake shows how remarkably dumb much of the community is. Myself flamed first few days at the Steves thinking its a windows issue and 9700x is more efficient. I will admit it.
just curious why you have 5800x3d in most game fps screens but not in the cost per performance graph ?
You can't buy it anymore. So that makes cost per frame difficult.
nice, 265k is on par with 12700k in a lot of gaming benchmarks, good job intel!
im satisfied with my 12400f, no reason for upgrade yet. shame that you dont include it in charts
It's crazy to hear 250-400 FPS in games is weak performance. It's still way beyond we need. Good to see i5 12600k in the graphs. Set it 5ghz all core and you still fine.
Weak because it has to be compared to other CPUs . If this is a GPU review, of course, 250~400fps is not weak but that is not what we're comparing here.
@@fleurdewin7958 those FPS say nothing but we dont need any new cpus since 13gen and won't need for couple of years
12th generation is good value for money.
A win in Starfield is not a win. XD
And what happens in games if you disable e-cores? They seem to confuse windows scheduler every launch (same was for amd x3d on one ccd).
Ryzen 9700X 3% FASTER than predecessor - "FLOP!" , Arrow Lake 6% SLOWER predecessor - "PROBABLY a flop"? What is this? 😅
I agree this launch seems weird for Hub, The went scorched earth with zen5 But all be told their was an uplift but AL get the kiddy gloves. Will admit not going to take hub’s opinions serious going fordward they seem to of been bought.
The result of AMD vs. Intel marketing. AMD promised insane uplifts that didn't materialize, and Intel was more honest about the performance before release (this time around).
@@johnlong6197i wouldn't go as far as to say that they've been bought but I sorta understand. We do need to understand that this is a completely new arc n it will take a bit of time to address certain bugs and performance issues.
@@256shadesofgreythis. Intel this time didn’t underline their performance but their step forward efficiency wise. We expected a 5000-7000 series performance uplift from 7000-9000 and it didn’t happen. Basically marketing wise AMD flopped
If you only wear tinted glasses and care about just gaming it is a flop. But in this case everything is a flop except x3d. But productivity benchmarks that does matter (rendering, code compilation, AI) got big uplift. Cost per frame is between 7900x and 9900x. but 265k is significantly faster in blender, code compilation cinebench than both. Only concern is photoshop 2025 but photoshop always was weird software in utilizing cpu so i assume it could be bug considering premiere is back to normal. I use computer not just for gaming but for some work related tasks as well. Some computers are workstations that don't need threadripper but well performing cpu with igpu on board. We also have here NPU, far better intel's av1 hardware encoding than AMD. Also looking at phoronix benchmarks power consumption for intel is lower during webrowsing etc. comparing to AMD.... So if i builded office computer or multitask computer I think Intel takes crown at 245k/265k level. 285k not necessery.
Thanks for the hard work on putting this together.
Now waiting on 9xxxX3D reviews... At least most of the work needed to assemble that is already done... unless Intel actually does somehow fix the perf.
Steve was dunking on AMD while it offered performance improvements and he is now calling this dud much better value? Getting paid by Intel much?
So. He said the Ultra7 265K is better value compared to something AMD? When did he say that? Ofc it is compared to the Ultra9 285K that cost 50% more for 5-10% more performance.
"Hide the pain steve" isn't real, he can't unbox you. Meanwhile the thumbnail........
The double standard in these video titles and thumbnails is crazy.
Like, seriously, take soke time to scroll through this channel's videos. Almost every Zen 5 video thumbnail reads "Bad" this "Flop" that, "Disaster", "Terrible value" etc. Especially the value one is comical as Intel's arrow lake performs worse than Intel's own previous gen, AND has the audacity to ask you to switch to a new mobo socket yet somehow it's "much better value" LMAO.
Intel releases literal e-waste and the thumbnail reads MUCH BETTER VALUE with the fact that it's trash literally hidden in the small print. Not just this channel either, Linus does this too. Only reputable source who never does damage control for Intel is Digital Foundry.
Now i want to clarify this, i'm not saying these reviews aren't stating the facts INSIDE the video, but often times i notice misleading thumbnails in favor of Intel.
Wow you really got mad over your own imagination
@@samarkand1585 It takes 30 seconds to check the channels uploads in the last 6 months.
There are exactly 11 videos that are clear examples of what i've said.
@@ninjafrozr8809 The issue is that this is not an issue
@@samarkand1585 If you can't see the problem in the Zen 5 review thumbnail reading "Flop" (objectively the best platform with no close competition) and this one reading "Much better value" (when it's factually the worst launch in Intel's history) , then your opinion is irrelevant to me.
@@ninjafrozr8809 Maybe cause the thumbnails have to be put within their context, that's the missing link
In UK 7800X3D went from £330 when I bought it to £420-450...even though 9800X3D is just around the corner. Never seen a CPU go up in price like that.
AMD 3% performance uplift
Intel: Performance regression
2024 for ya
It is not the first time it has happened for Intel. i9 11900k had worse multi threaded performance compared to i9 10900k
Interesting observation in the gaming benchmark: Every time the X3D's stand out very positively, the new Ultra models are standing out negatively. So is this some kind of caching issue?
Thank you for the excellent in-depth review of the Intel and AMD CPUs Steve. 🤓
ive noticed all reveiws completly leave off the 7600x3d processors in all there test is it not worthy to mention at all is there something wrong with adding it to these comparisons or is it a bad cpu period to have for gaming ?
I don’t think arrow lake is bad or so, and quite comparable to zen5. That said, I would skip both and wait for zen5 x3d…