Xero Reacts to "Concord: The Biggest Failure in Gaming" by The Act Man
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- Concord: The Biggest Failure in Gaming by The Act Man
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I wonder when "making a good game" is gonna become the standard way of thinking again
Not yet apparently, since kotaku was trying to claim the CEO of Saber Interactive’s comment about “just wanting to make a good game” in regards to space marine 2 was “controversial”
Only gork and Mork to save uz boyz
@@theguywiththename888 If you're taking Kotaku at face value, then you already lost.
Lawbreakers was sad. It was actually really good and the gravity mechanic let you do some crazy stuff but the skillfloor was pretty high so it never broke into the mainstream.
$400 million blown just to make about $1 million back, most of which was then refunded. Tells you all you need to know. The ENTIRE C-suite should get the ax for this.
The 400 million budget is more of a rumor than hardcore fact, because even from Sony that just doesn't sound believable that they would sink THAT much money into an IP, just for it to turn out like that.
@@cursedhawkins1305Sony wouldn't have spent the 400 millions in that situation, 200 millions were already spent BEFORE Sony bought the studio. Sony just spent 200 millions in development on top of that, and all that money doesn't even include the cost to buy the studio.
And as for it not being believable, we know for a fact that Sony currently has multiple games in development with higher budgets (400M+) and that the info came from inside Concord's studio, so it's more than "a rumor" at this point
@@cursedhawkins1305 All things considered, I think it might, at the absolute least, be past being a rumor at this point.
@@grand_tourist46 The rumor is that people are going to be thinking that Sony were the ones that invested THAT much money into the game, which to me is just unbelievable, at the very least 200 million seems more believable from Sony.
The battlefront 2 bit at the beginning killed me lmao
Concord also had put itself into an impossible task; they had promised more characters (even to rival Overwatch/Rainbow-6:Siege), they had promised multiple maps with "variations," when in truth all they had was 4 maps reskinned to different themes without any reason except it looks cool but doesn't effect gameplay (one round they got volcano mountain, next match they got same mountain but it's all covered in ice).
But by implementing the 'diversity rival' concept where each character is 're-skinned' with irregular "class abilities" they had stonewalled the ability to make or introduce new characters to play. limiting the entire character roster to what they had at launch, seven characters.
Saw some information that this was an executive’s baby. This executive was convinced it was going to stand along side big names like Star Wars and be a giant new franchise. They forced toxic positively work environment where absolutely no one could say anything negative about the game or its future. Thats how it can burn potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, because of a dude with all money and no sense or ability to learn.
Unfortunately the devs have lost quite a bit of pity from a lot of people because a few loud mouths on their team insulting people who didn't like the style of the game
I can see why they feel the need to defend themselves, however it's best to lay low for these kind of things imo.
@@TheLegitWeebsdefend themselves from what? Art is meant to be criticised and studied, people that can’t handle criticism shouldn’t be making video games or any other other form of media that of course will be criticised.
So latest news is that Concord costed sony a whooping 400M $ (marketing etc not included) 😅
it cost 400,000,000 USD to support this game... for 12 days.
My understanding is that the figure is unconfirmed, but I do think $350-400M is possible. 6-8 year development, 100+ devs, heavy emphasis on motion capture (which ain’t cheap), they thought this game was going to be a hit so they probably invested in a massive server infrastructure to support it, a lot of outsourcing, and the studio is in Washington state (not cheap to live or work there).
Then there’s the Amazon thing where they paid millions of dollars for an episode on their Secret Level show (does that count as marketing?).
Dude, BUYING THE STUDIO that made the thing not included!
This is it. The real Cost of Concordia.
I think this has been disputed.
Weeb: why do you wanna play as trash can?
Me: laughs in UrbanMech
ALL HAIL THE LORD URBANMECH
Unironically, the UrbanMech does a better job at telling you what it is at a glance than the Concord character does:
its short, stubby legs tells you it's slow (slowest Light Mech in the game, in fact).
its compact form also makes it look tough (again, the Urbie is well freaking armored... for a Light Mech).
and finally, the huge (for a Light Mech) AC/10 Autocannon tells you this thing will hurt you if it gets the chance; it's the visual equivalent of getting into a fight with a toddler, and then the toddler pulls out a Desert Eagle.
@46:53 oh god, Sony fell into the THQ trap. They basically have a conveyor belt of games no one is going to buy and they're all too far into development to correct course. They're only options are going to be to either cut their losses, pray they don't go bankrupt and try to rebuild with smaller projects, or double down and almost absolutely go bankrupt like THQ did.
It's crazy to me considering how fast the market evolves, that we'd invest this much into a new IP with a generic concept. I'm rather morbidly curious to see how their other games will fair.
@@TheLegitWeebs Likely not well. There are 2 live-service games coming out for Playstation that aren't appearing too hot.
Fairgame$ is a live-service-heist game that's sitting at almost 50K dislikes versus 4K likes in their trailer at the Playstation Channel.
Marathon is an earlier IP of Bungie that they are revamping, and the community feedback is more positive. But there are a lot of similarities to Concord: Sci-Fi, FPS, live-service, no single player mode, PVP only, and a $40 price tag; that it may be freaking out the devs. It doesn't help a lot of Concord devs were former Bungie devs.
So, there's a rumor going around that Concord had a 400-million-dollar budget, which might have explained why Sony was so quick to distance themselves from it if that's true.
Sheesh. Even worse than predicted potentially...
@@TheLegitWeebs But that's only just a rumor, it's hard to believe that Sony would invest THAT much into an IP, AngryJoe even suspected that it's more along the lines of Sony just investing 200 million (which is likely more believable than 400 million) because the game already had 200 million from other investors sank into it.
@@cursedhawkins1305 Agreed. Considering that Baldur's Gate 3 costed around 100 million (I think...) that seems a more reasonable estimate.
It was 200 mil from the firewalk owners/investors first followed soon after by 200 mil from Sony while they were partners, after which Sony bought firewalk for an extra 200 mil.
Not a rumour, the exact numbers are but we know we are in the ballpark range. 400 mil budget with a total of 600 mil spent overall.
@@kempolar9768 oof
It really does suck about the spider anime cuz I did enjoy the story and the mc. Shame it prob won't get another season...like so many good animes...
To pit this in perspective. Helldivers 2 is also a life service games that cost 40$. It also took 8 years to make. But it had an estimated budget of between 50-100 milion$. That's 4-8 times less than concord.
Helldivers 2 announced it sold more than 12milion copies around four months after release. That comes around to 480mil dollars. Granted that doesn't account for warbonds, cosmetics or premium edition profits, but also doesn't take into the account Sonny's cut or steams cut.
So concord would have to be a Helldivers 2 level phenomenon to BREAK EVEN after months
100 million is way too low. The credits for concord are over an hour long. Latest numbers I've heard is 400 million. Also no I will not be nice to people the companies are getting what they deserve. The crews got paid to make crap art. They knew they were making trash and if they didn't they will not be successful anyways.
People shouldn't lose their jobs over making a toy that you didn't like. Grow up.
@@BoxHeadMidus naw fuck off. I gave my time and skills to major corps for their projects. They didn't lose their jobs because most of the work was outsourced hence the insane amount of people who worked on it however the main studio was bought by Sony and one of their main design philosophies was no negative feedback so even if you thought something wasnt working you werent allowed to say anything. They deserve this.
@@BoxHeadMidusit’s a product, meant to be entertaining, they are making a product to then be sold. What a brain dead argument my god, why fire anyone then? People should just be guaranteed jobs no matter how they perform at it, because it’s just a job and who cares, what could go wrong.
@@BoxHeadMidus If they are a TOY company then yes they should.
@@BoxHeadMidus it's an entire franchise of toy's that turned out to be complete garbage and these DEI hired goon trash thinks they deserve a penny for it?
"why aren't people buying our games?!?!?!?"
the game: a turd with spray paint
So the current numbers is that is cost about 400 million to make and advertise this game. This is coming from people on the inside supposedly. I said what I needed on the patreon, but I will say this again. We did not need a mediocre overwatch clone. We had overwatch 2 for that.
The PS5 Pro was just the 3DO Version 2 all along! No wonder!
You know when you go to the dollar store, or some other discount shop, and you see the knock offs of more popular toys on the shelf? The ones that the makers are hoping some little kid will see and mistake for the real deal? Thats what Concord feels like to me. Its a Triple-A Overwatch knockoff.
That's actually a really good comparison.
Who would have thought that a game when you play unappealing characters, shooting unappealing characters, using generic guns, on the blandest maps i have seen, in an genre oversaturated for multiple years and developed using literally five times the budget of the Witcher 3 would fail
There's also the fact that Concord is $40, the competition is FREE, has more content and 8-6 years worth of patches, polish and players in community.
they spent over 200million buying the game and another 400 million developing the game, none of the workers or devs was allowed to criticize the game.
40 dollars for a crappier game than the dozens of free better games that d everything better and those didnt insult the fans.
some got refunds on redfall but id rather play redfall than touch concord.
react to the Fntastc comeback, the scam devs behind the day before scam game.
I love that this information on the budget only gets worse when you add in that the budget was 4x that listed amount plus however much it cost to get the studio and advertising it.
I would say one of the worst decisions they made was the initial cost, they entered a free to play market with a 40 dollar game competing against overwatch 2 and paladins on playstation alongside tf2 on steam all three of which are free. Even if the game itself didn't have the design issues it still wouldn't have been very successful. (In hindsight should have watched the video fully, just an aspect that I haven't seen a lot of discussion of.)
Can you react to History of humanity in 40k by Old man reacts.
teo concord is my favorite concord character no cap.
They tried to pull a Battleborn 8 years too late
Remember, this was supposed to be their next big game (WoW equivalent) and they made exactly 0 dollars selling it because they refunded everyone who bought it
I'm just glad the people who bought it got their money back. Bad situation all around.
As a side on the whole coming up with an interesting game design idea, I very much enjoyed the invasion game mode in halo reach. I'm not fully sure atm how to flesh it out into a whole game but me thinks it could work as a base for a hero team shooter maybe. Sure, it a fairly basic king of the hill tug of war mode but maybe lean into it with roles like hacking, scouting etc. Like team fortress 2 but if the classes were more specialized instead of a different method to score kills.
As an ex: different classes could and would focus on things other than killing the other team, like the commanders in natural selection. Have defending engineers set up mines, auto defenses. Defending hackers set up detections like cameras to watch for intrusion. Attacking scouts that sniff for traps to call out for their team so the fort breakers can set breach charges in good spots. Maybe close to rainbow six but larger scale with possibly both teams having a base and players filling roles for defense and offense at the same time. Less combat focused classes would have more escape options to incentive non death match gameplay and more tactical strategy.
Also something against the game- i swear to god every gameplay clip i see it takes me EFFORT to realize where the characters are and if the map is different or not. Even the giant robot thing blends into the background _somehow._
I see what you mean. There's a certain lack of striking colors that help differentiate objects. It's likely due to them going for a more realistic style which I think doesn't do the game any favors.
Out of curiosty: Do you plan to react to other Warhammer videos from Pancreas in the future ? I was watching your older reaction to him and you mentioned that you were interested in his video about the Idoneth Deepkin. Now that i mention it, you have next to no reactions on AoS. Do you plan on making AoS reactions in the future or are you not that interested in AoS ?
At the time I wasn't aware of how much lore Fantasy and 40k had to offer. I do plan to at least get a general overview of AoS someday, but probably not a deep dive like I had planned before.
Only good thing about anime “im spider, so what” it’s both endings.
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Reject modernity, continue playing Team Fortress 2.
The best hero/class shooter on the market, even if it's a half-abandoned game.
The problem with concord was that besides unpleasant character designs it is a average game, nothing interesting or new, just average and with a full price when its biggest competition is free, best design and most fun of all.
For sure. It's not good enough to be average, let alone more expensive than everyone else.
Lol Lmao
Holy Hells! That Monthy Phytons' Knights of the Holy Grail scene fits so perfectly. 😮🤯
18:08 Yeah, that consistently boggles, and blows my mind: Where is the natural GREED, I had to discover drives apparently most people? Where is it with all of these companies?? And even if they somehow don't have money-hungry people running the business, do they not have anyone sane, as in able to compare a couple numbers, in their finance departments???
So I'm a Spider was animated by the same studio that gave us the cgi Berserk anime. It was doomed from the start.
Now that you mention it, I do recall bringing that up to Cerby when they suggested we react to it on the channel. I think there was some actually really good looking CGI work in the show, but that might've been outsourced.
@@TheLegitWeebsI believe if I remember right, the 2D animation was Millepensee (berserk 2016 studio) while all the 3d was exsa. As well a lot of the 2d animation work also outsouced
@@TheLegitWeebs I gotta defend the show tho. The CG in is actually very competent. They really make use of it to make the scene's actions and the spider movements look way more dynamic and fun. The fact that she isn't human, and that she only really fights other non-humans makes the CG feel way more at home, unlike Berserk that had mostly humans which looked unatural.
Nah, the worst part of the show is, surprisingly, the 2D parts. Because, good lord, the human side of the story is SO FREAKING BORING. It feels stilted and cheap, while the spider parts are fun, enjoyable and all.
I gotta admit I don't know much about what they outsourced or not, so I can't just blindly give credit to the studio. But looking at it from the outside view without knowing about all that, the 3D is pretty fun overall.
I'd give it the show a 6/10, and recommend only watching the scenes with the spider. Makes the anime a much better experience imo.
@@olemgar6530 As someone who read the WN/LN's, that feeling is exactly the same. Human Heroes= Boring; Spider and Friends= Peak. So from the stand-point of adapting from the source materials, it's incredibly accurate. The manga adaptation almost completely edited out the human portions.
Also completely agree about the CGI, when the CGI humans in the Berserk anime moved, that was just uncanny valley with janky physics. The way the Spider and monsters moved was a lot less jarring since it wasn't supposed to be realistic.
Just out of curiousity; do you have any more Mandalore in the pipeline? :)
Yep. Haven't settled on what I'll check out next though.
@@TheLegitWeebs Nice! You can always do Anonymous Agony if you can handle the cringe, or the Stasis games if you want some pretty interesting lore (especially the second game).
1:20 sadly for sonny, you can't make up 399milion on a two digit player count
40:35 Sadly, they're way on the way to do just that...