By shifting the fuel tank further back under the seat, the battery and ECU (and everything else) sits at the front where the fuel normally is. With the V4, there's no way of simply lifting the front of the tank to get a dyno connection like you can with conventional bikes. Small price to pay for exquisite performance
One thing I've noticed watching a variety of dyno runs is that the room for error is massive. The difference between some machines, locations etc.. have huge impact. A properly run in bike, with warm tires and plenty, cold intake air would probably be closer to what MCN ran it in at. This comment section is 40% Ducati fanboys being blown away and 40% Ducati haters finding every nitpicking reason to hate it. If you don't like the bike, don't buy it, if you think it's overpriced, don't buy it. What Ducati has objectively managed to do here is make a very powerful v4, with a wet weight of approximately 15kg less than a lot of it's 4 cylinder competitors and (if we listen to early track reviews) vastly superior handling than it's 2 cylinder predecessor. The thing is you can't go wrong buying a flagship sports bike in 2018, they're all brilliant. So stop bashing everyone's opinions just because they don't match yours. Everyone has their own motivations for buying a specific bike, so be happy for them that they did, instead of filling each comment section with unjust cynicism.
Exactly. Infact I am cutting and pasting a comment I made on the Ducati form I belong to here. I for one, am glad to see 44teeth bring people back down to reality about the V4. This was an honest dyno run with real talk and not a bunch of hype. Just strap it up and go right to the chart. Should people be disappointed in the numbers? Hell no! This bike is in its first year with load of potential. And everyone remember. The true use of a dyno is to help tune a bike. The V4 could make 188HP but after tuning it may make 202HP. My point being that dynos have way to many variables to be the judge of how much HP a single bikes in comparison to other bikes. To make proper comparisons you need to use the same dyno on the same day with a room that temp and humid are controlled very tightly and to insure parity..
I appreciate the inclusion of James in your videos. Him being a mechanic adds a sense of information, trust, and practicality to your videos that is lacking other outlets. Keep it up, bic bois! I'm always on the look out for your content. Go Team Ninja!
Yes on this dyno your numbers should be around 199 to 201. Just amazing for a N/A bike. Cheater motor regardless. Put me down for a V4R though. The real deal no excuse bike!!!
xbladerunner no one is going to ever really "win" because they had 100cc more lol. But I get your point. Unless you're racing it doesn't matter I wish more manufacturers "cheated" to make better road bikes
Nice to see someone not yanking the throttle open on the dyno, but instead gradually raising the revs to max and treating this amazing machine with respect. No sure why you used the clutch when changing down as the bike has a blipper for down shifting. Great video👍
44Teeth. Big fan of your over here in the Americas. I am glad to see some honest dyno talk for a change. I would be very interested if you could overlay the 1299s and the V4S dyno numbers. I think it would be interesting to see how the V4 and the Vtwin put down their power respectfully.
People don't realize how much HP 189 is. Just a few years ago you had to do the heads, cam it out, full exhaust with tune to get just in the 175-180 range. Now they're 190 off the showroom floor. That's a shit ton. And 99% of riders out there don't know how to use that power. In fact, it's probably causing them to go slower, because the HP is too much for them to handle. I knew the 216 was bullshit number for to the wheel HP. That's getting near MotoGP numbers. But damn, 189 is a superbike racebike. Do a full exhaust and tune and you're putting down 200 damn HP. That's like a fucking World superbike.
The 188 is more realistic than the 198 claimed by MCN. Too bad they didn't make this bike a little more friendly to work on. But at the end of the day still a very powerful bike. 3 hp up on the 1299 but heavier and way down in torque. The improvements are in its flat engine power delivery
That is such a good video for how dyno's work. Also would have been good knowing how many miles the bike had done. Would be quite cool if a bike dealer would publish a weekly (or monthly) dyno figures for a demo bike as its running in to see how (or even if) that makes a difference... back to the bike... i'm currently trying to sell my liver to raise money for this bike, it has one careful owner and is already semi pickled...
MPI1000 Dyno v Dyno can always have a fair bit of difference good to know. But the numbers they are seeing is a lot less then what everyone else is seeing. Everyone else is the 198 - 202 range that I have seen.
Donovan Lewis yes MCN testing 198.2 for RSV 4 192 and the s1000 rr 191 but on the End is Ducati puts more Power of all on every Dyno on the End hir is a Number of close 189 HP.On a Dyno a new zxr 10 only 171 HP??One Qustion is for me why Dynos giving this various Number?
Very interesting to see the graph, similar curve to the Aprilia RSV4 but the extra 100CC makes the 3% to 4% (roughly) extra power (RSV4 about 182 on most Dyno), but as Fagan says its not just the power figure, forget its 'cheating' and has 10% more CC - the bikes electronics, light weight, super sharp handling make it so much more, I am not a Ducati fan I actually own an RSV4 (I have had 3 of them) but the Ducati V4 achieves immense drive and turns so easily it is something else, I really dont think they needed to add the extra 100CC - really isn't 1000CC fast enough for all of us, but they were hardly going to release a bike with same or less power than the competition - either way it is one hell of a bike, I want one !
When will see someone explain the dyno procedure? Is it max rev in each gear, is it the run down that's measured? What was john doing with the remote box?
You start down low in the RPM of whatever gear you deem best and record all the way til redline. Usually it's the gear closest to a 1:1 ratio but I've seen this bike dyno'd in 4th and here in 6th. The remote in his hand is just a way to start/stop the recording process. The bike is obviously building power as you run up through the rev so that is what is recorded, not the run down. Sometimes you'll see them quick shift around and accelerate/decelerate and even run out each gear. That's mostly just to get some heat in the tire so it is less likely to slip if you're not sitting on it or have it strapped down tight enough. Everyone has their own procedures but the general idea is the same. Find the gear, record the run, tune a/f accordingly and repeat.
James is the man! Every time you have him in a video I learn something. And lets be honest, dyno numbers aren't everything unless your a dyno queen. Its a tool and not a penis measuring machine.
Note the manual does say 6th gear rev limits at 15,000rpm vs 14,500 for other gears. So yes, a bit different. The 2017 fireblade sp1 came with lithium batt
i have seen the bike dynode with the tank fitted and mark was sat on the bike .... also the blade sp has a lithium battery fitted oem... it was BSD dyno and MCN did the report
Very interesting.. Other bike which has lithium battery stock are the KTM enduro range ;-) Also using James 15% calc my Super Duke makes 201 HP!! Well happy with that :-)
I’m sure the 2017 Gsx-R 1000 has a Lithium Battery too tbh... But as BJ and James have worked on that bike a lot I could be wrong. There appears to be one in mine as standard though?
Excellent video, impartial (and fun) dyno, now we know that Ducati has delivered the cookies. In other words, what a beast!! Hope you are planning a street review, that would be very interesting to see how it handles in real life situations or is only a track toy. Salud!
He's right about the soft tire sucking hp. After adding a PCV, full exhaust and custom tune, my ZX-14R dynoed at 198 RWHP with a Shinko Hookup but then we put a hard tire on with nothing else done and she dynoed at 208 RWHP. So she gained 10 hp by swapping tires.
Great video thanks for all the information. I think it would have been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno as well to really get an idea of how much more power it makes over the other liter bikes. Still a bit disappointing in my opinion considering it’s got an extra 103 cc. It does save 20 to 30 lbs of weight over the Aprilia so that’s a plus at least. Haha
Jaret Campisi you have anderstand why Ducati Build a 1100ccm?This 103 ccm more as you can see on the Curve compair with a RSV4 is in every RPM better on Ducati.103ccm more are not only gonna use for the Top End Power reather for a good Power in every rpm.and for shure each 15000km Service is not Bad for a Bike with this Power.the V4 1100ccm are Build for 80%of Rider wich using that Bike on Street and eaven Trackdays and on Street you dont wont to bee all Time over 8000rpm to feel the Power.In my Opinion Ducati has Make a good step,for most of People a 1103ccm and for absolutlley Crazy Guys wich has somme Skills a V4 R this Bike will be presenting this Year.The v4r has 1000 ccm but the same Power on the Top End like the 1103ccm maybe more but eaven more RPM and in the Midrange less Power than the 1103ccm.Dont wory this is only the begining of this what thatEngine can put out on Power.Dont forget Ducati still the World Record holder of the most Powerfull v2 Engine and bigest Pistons ever made for a Street Bike .And i think nobody try to overpased that because Ducati push the v2 on the Limit.And The Desmosedici GP wich is similar with the V4 Engine is the most Powerfull Engine in the GP😎
aw c'mon Jared, you yourself said in your statement "been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno" - I'll add, on this particular day, back-to-back-to-back, is truly the only comparison. Can't be disappointed until an apples-to-apples is done. Just because the RSV4 did 181, say Dec 12, 2017, doesn't mean that this bike wouldn't have made (hypothetically), 195+ HP. But you get the point.
Yeah I definitely understand the difference between weather conditions, how the dyno is tuned etc BUT I was still hoping for high 190's or low 200's just for fun :)
Well MCN had 198 to the wheel and I've seen other reports over over 200 so I was hoping to see numbers close to that on a consistent basis thats all :)
Probably the desmo valve train is a little more efficient than a spring-return valve train. My guess worth about 1%. Most bikes are about 12% drivetrain losses (chain drive, modern FI bikes). So giving Ducati a 11% loss would be the most generous. 220 hp claimed X .89 (11% loss) = 195 WHP. Using 13% loss would amount to 191 WHP. Given the gooey tire on that bike, the temperatures in that dyno room, the O2 levels in that dyno room, the elevation of that dyno room, the fuel condition, the engine oil conditions.... I'd say the results are about par. ECU flash, full exhaust, and some other things would improve it as usual.
guys, compared to most Ducatis of old, you must remember the engine has now been rolled back SIGNIFICANTLY in the chassis (even relative to the Panigale). before this point, the plug wire on the front cylinder was likely the easier of the two to access, but now the front cylinder is wedged up between the frame rails almost like an I4, so those days are over. 44T's doing it right, the others...? not so much.
Very nice, would we expect a full system to bump this to around 195? And how many miles has this one got on it, maybe expect a few more stallions once it’s fully run in?
I beg to differ about the ease of working on that bike as opposed to the Aprilia I have found at the Aprilia is very easy to work on. The weight of the Aprilia is quite comprable and one thing I would take a look at is how much does each bike cost I believe the Ducati is almost $10,000 more. Also take a look at the warranty costs of each bike Aprilia has very low warranty rates it is often referred to as the Honda of Italian motorbikes
So am I correct that the 2008 Desmosedici made 200 hp at the crank and 10 years later with an extra 103 cc this one only makes 214. So a ten year old motorcycle makes more hp per cc than the new bike.
The engineering in this bike will become the new standard. Ducati have raised the bar. I'm sure the Japanese manufacturers already have one are reverse engineering as I type this.
Ozzi Supercub no need for them to reverse engineer, the technology has been used before and is available. 2017 fireblade sp1 first used this ohlins 2.0 kit. Yamaha first with the slide control and 6 axis bosche imu. Ducati have just packaged it all together well with a great new stonking 1100cc v4 with reverse crank and solid platform.
Hang on a minute here. So it needs the tank off to dyno, it only revs to a certain amount in 4th but is fine in 5th and top, it's making less power than claims would suggest and it's a subsidiary of the VW group. It's also 10hp down on this one ua-cam.com/video/zZuZGtdVWwo/v-deo.html done at bsd but with the tank on. JHS and BSD numbers usually seem pretty close on most things. I bet it meets all the emissions regs with the tank off. lol
Even if the good old Rsv4 is still a superb machine and seems not that far off the new Panigale V4 Rsv4 feels a bit old and meh. I Remember when I rode a rsv4 for the first time and looked down on the shiny and slim frame and had a big grin on my face, but it is time to move on to at least a new lighter design, the power is there still after all. The new Panigale V4 after seeing it in the flesh is very pleasing to the eye and to the touch but, 1100cc? I want to race sometimes too without selling my soul. 1000cc base model would be perfect for me.
You must have sold your soul already if you could afford to buy a Panigale V4 and then go racing with it. Just ask the devil for a few more bucks. Or buy a track RSV4 and race that which would be cheaper in parts anyway.
+Daddy Government What does styling have to do with performance? Do I say that the rsv4 is lacking anything in that regard? hmm... Look the rsv4 has had this styling with small alteration to the fairings since like 2009 or 2010, cant remember when it came out. It needs a new fresh look and maybe a weight reduction to make it look exciting. for me an 600 is good enough performance wise but weight wise I am hard to satisfy :P
Aztec Warrior6969 if the tank seals the air box, it's pulling air from the box periphery. Shouldn't be a problem unless the dyno fans are creating a pressure drop across the fuel tank underside.
I've seen this bike dyno'd on a couple of other video (everyone sat properly on the bike btw) and they produced just under 200bhp, I think MCM had one at 198bhp. So whats going on, different bikes produce different power or is the different dynos?
Only muppets get upset by 'only' 188 HP. Like they could even handle 150. My '11 flashed ZX10R made 184 and that was a rocketship at high revs. Unlike that bike, this V4 has mucho torque too so it must feel amazing to ride, especially on the road.
I love how 650ib says the special will make more hp. How ?? It's the same displacement so it will have to give up bottom & mid range to get more max power . There is always a trade off unless there are Titanium rods & other very $$$ parts. Even then to get these big numbers cannot be achieved through custom exhaust or Up-Maps. So you get more but end up with less. Good luck on your thinking !!!!!!!
The Duc has 100cc on the Aprilia. Value for money, you can't beat the Ape. I love my 1199 though, but I'll consider the Ape when it's time for a new bike.
horsepower is not everything it is like saying an mma fighter is a better fighter than another because of how much they can bench. lots of other aspects like weight, suspensions, aerodynamics, torque and engine power delivery systems play great roles in making a bike what it is.
Been watching your OLD BIKE series and enjoying the fun... However, ... regarding, PEAK numbers, they're are fine... BUT WHERE in the RPM range are they occurring? Can you POST the Dyno chart and link it so someone can get a look at it? Because PEAK number tell only HALF the story. The "torque curve" tells you how the bike going to behave or 'how street rideable' a bike is going to be, or is it really just more a fast "track' bike where all the power only comes on after 11,000 rpms.(?) Will it really pull away from traffic without having to drop down 2 gears OR if it's going to be a dog UNTIL it gets up to where the power is? Generally, MOST "daily riders" spend "very little time" in up in the ultra high rpm range and a bike is tonnes MORE FUN if you can cruise around at a quick, but NOT FRANTIC, pace letting the motor's low-mid range torque do the work without HAVING to double down shift every time you need a little grunt... most of the time. Other times you DO want a 'frantic riding pace' while wringing out the motor to get the most you can! Look at a dyno chart of a Suzuki GSX 1250FA. NOTE that PEAK torque is at ONLY 3500 rpms BUT at that rpm the torque is 75 lb-ft.to the wheel (or 86 lb-ft at the crank... at ONLY 3500 rpms) which makes for a VERY easy to ride big bike that is still very lively. OF COURSE no one buys a Ducati Panigale V4 for 'easy riding'... TRUE. BUT if I know that I'm going have to wring the rpms out of a bike to get it moving, "maybe" I'll need or want to look at different bike for over-all "road riding" and save the Duck for 'track days'.... THAT would be the reason for asking about the dyno chart. WHERE'S the power and how much can I expect there? www.dragomoto.cloud/mrkt/mivv/SUZUKI/dynochart_GSX1250FA_gp.jpg THANKS!
why would the fuel tank need to be removed?!?
By shifting the fuel tank further back under the seat, the battery and ECU (and everything else) sits at the front where the fuel normally is. With the V4, there's no way of simply lifting the front of the tank to get a dyno connection like you can with conventional bikes. Small price to pay for exquisite performance
I think they just Staged it. Lol
44Teeth Thank you for the clarification. =)
To get to the battery and ecu. The first few times you do it is a real ball ache but you soon become accustomed to it.
i think you weren't listening to the video
One thing I've noticed watching a variety of dyno runs is that the room for error is massive. The difference between some machines, locations etc.. have huge impact. A properly run in bike, with warm tires and plenty, cold intake air would probably be closer to what MCN ran it in at. This comment section is 40% Ducati fanboys being blown away and 40% Ducati haters finding every nitpicking reason to hate it. If you don't like the bike, don't buy it, if you think it's overpriced, don't buy it. What Ducati has objectively managed to do here is make a very powerful v4, with a wet weight of approximately 15kg less than a lot of it's 4 cylinder competitors and (if we listen to early track reviews) vastly superior handling than it's 2 cylinder predecessor. The thing is you can't go wrong buying a flagship sports bike in 2018, they're all brilliant. So stop bashing everyone's opinions just because they don't match yours. Everyone has their own motivations for buying a specific bike, so be happy for them that they did, instead of filling each comment section with unjust cynicism.
Exactly. Infact I am cutting and pasting a comment I made on the Ducati form I belong to here.
I for one, am glad to see 44teeth bring people back down to reality about the V4. This was an honest dyno run with real talk and not a bunch of hype. Just strap it up and go right to the chart. Should people be disappointed in the numbers? Hell no! This bike is in its first year with load of potential. And everyone remember. The true use of a dyno is to help tune a bike. The V4 could make 188HP but after tuning it may make 202HP. My point being that dynos have way to many variables to be the judge of how much HP a single bikes in comparison to other bikes. To make proper comparisons you need to use the same dyno on the same day with a room that temp and humid are controlled very tightly and to insure parity..
xbladerunner preach my brother
This is no place for sound logic and reason, sir. This is the youtube comments section.
What are those two things you speak of?
RoadRunner says the aprilia owner hahaba🤣
I appreciate the inclusion of James in your videos. Him being a mechanic adds a sense of information, trust, and practicality to your videos that is lacking other outlets. Keep it up, bic bois! I'm always on the look out for your content. Go Team Ninja!
James, the real hero of 44 teeth.
yep...agreed
Yep yep. But, good lord, he looks scary in the thumbnail!
Love these little visits to JHS. I wish had a similar workshop where I live, it would make it a breeze to tune my SV.
hahahahahahah 'Or drill a hole in the tank.... but ya fuel is gonna leak out " Goddamnit James gets me every time
No thumbs down!!! I love it! I'd rather remove the tank than drilling a hole into it. lol. The Speciale will produce more POWA!
Yes on this dyno your numbers should be around 199 to 201. Just amazing for a N/A bike. Cheater motor regardless. Put me down for a V4R though. The real deal no excuse bike!!!
I’m a Ducati owner and love my bike but I agree they cheated not cool
Denis Kuro which ducati do you own??
xbladerunner no one is going to ever really "win" because they had 100cc more lol. But I get your point. Unless you're racing it doesn't matter I wish more manufacturers "cheated" to make better road bikes
I got a 1299 anniversario ... yeah I agree 100cc isn’t much, but when does it stop? Also it isn’t fair to compare it to the other motorcycles
”But you’ll have to put fuel stopper in it...” He’s hilarious 😂👍🏻
Bung it with a cork! Jobs a goodun!
Nice to see someone not yanking the throttle open on the dyno, but instead gradually raising the revs to max and treating this amazing machine with respect. No sure why you used the clutch when changing down as the bike has a blipper for down shifting. Great video👍
This is one of the most accurate dyno test i have seen on panigale v4 much more calibrated and real
James needs his own channel. He's great.
44Teeth. Big fan of your over here in the Americas. I am glad to see some honest dyno talk for a change. I would be very interested if you could overlay the 1299s and the V4S dyno numbers. I think it would be interesting to see how the V4 and the Vtwin put down their power respectfully.
James is a absolute legend, could have a channel all of his own. More content at JHS please 👍🏻😀
People don't realize how much HP 189 is. Just a few years ago you had to do the heads, cam it out, full exhaust with tune to get just in the 175-180 range. Now they're 190 off the showroom floor. That's a shit ton. And 99% of riders out there don't know how to use that power. In fact, it's probably causing them to go slower, because the HP is too much for them to handle. I knew the 216 was bullshit number for to the wheel HP. That's getting near MotoGP numbers. But damn, 189 is a superbike racebike. Do a full exhaust and tune and you're putting down 200 damn HP. That's like a fucking World superbike.
So true!
My R1 makes maybe 165-170 at the wheel and it feels so fucking quick.
More than enough for me.
My Street Triple 675 is just under a Hundred hp and it will smoke 99% of cars 0-100.
Bit of Faff to do the dyno eh? but great to see, and listen too yours and James thoughts on the bike
The 188 is more realistic than the 198 claimed by MCN. Too bad they didn't make this bike a little more friendly to work on. But at the end of the day still a very powerful bike. 3 hp up on the 1299 but heavier and way down in torque. The improvements are in its flat engine power delivery
Before people start comparing dyno figures, I would strongly recommend watching this first:
ua-cam.com/video/NkNfmW44zuA/v-deo.html
That is such a good video for how dyno's work. Also would have been good knowing how many miles the bike had done.
Would be quite cool if a bike dealer would publish a weekly (or monthly) dyno figures for a demo bike as its running in to see how (or even if) that makes a difference...
back to the bike... i'm currently trying to sell my liver to raise money for this bike, it has one careful owner and is already semi pickled...
MPI1000 Dyno v Dyno can always have a fair bit of difference good to know. But the numbers they are seeing is a lot less then what everyone else is seeing. Everyone else is the 198 - 202 range that I have seen.
Donovan Lewis yes MCN testing 198.2 for RSV 4 192 and the s1000 rr 191 but on the End is Ducati puts more Power of all on every Dyno on the End hir is a Number of close 189 HP.On a Dyno a new zxr 10 only 171 HP??One Qustion is for me why Dynos giving this various Number?
There are different types of Dynos and they all read different.
Very interesting to see the graph, similar curve to the Aprilia RSV4 but the extra 100CC makes the 3% to 4% (roughly) extra power (RSV4 about 182 on most Dyno), but as Fagan says its not just the power figure, forget its 'cheating' and has 10% more CC - the bikes electronics, light weight, super sharp handling make it so much more, I am not a Ducati fan I actually own an RSV4 (I have had 3 of them) but the Ducati V4 achieves immense drive and turns so easily it is something else, I really dont think they needed to add the extra 100CC - really isn't 1000CC fast enough for all of us, but they were hardly going to release a bike with same or less power than the competition - either way it is one hell of a bike, I want one !
When will see someone explain the dyno procedure? Is it max rev in each gear, is it the run down that's measured? What was john doing with the remote box?
You start down low in the RPM of whatever gear you deem best and record all the way til redline. Usually it's the gear closest to a 1:1 ratio but I've seen this bike dyno'd in 4th and here in 6th. The remote in his hand is just a way to start/stop the recording process. The bike is obviously building power as you run up through the rev so that is what is recorded, not the run down.
Sometimes you'll see them quick shift around and accelerate/decelerate and even run out each gear. That's mostly just to get some heat in the tire so it is less likely to slip if you're not sitting on it or have it strapped down tight enough. Everyone has their own procedures but the general idea is the same. Find the gear, record the run, tune a/f accordingly and repeat.
Not disappointed with those numbers one bit. Can't wait to see this baby at my local Ducati dealership here in the states
This is the first time i saw someone standing on the pegs while doing dyno 😆
Must have thought it was a GS
James is the man! Every time you have him in a video I learn something. And lets be honest, dyno numbers aren't everything unless your a dyno queen. Its a tool and not a penis measuring machine.
Note the manual does say 6th gear rev limits at 15,000rpm vs 14,500 for other gears. So yes, a bit different.
The 2017 fireblade sp1 came with lithium batt
SportbikerNZ, and also Panigale R with same battery..
i have seen the bike dynode with the tank fitted and mark was sat on the bike .... also the blade sp has a lithium battery fitted oem... it was BSD dyno and MCN did the report
Very interesting.. Other bike which has lithium battery stock are the KTM enduro range ;-) Also using James 15% calc my Super Duke makes 201 HP!! Well happy with that :-)
Lamb Chop Rides Team LCR 🔥
The main boyo
My boys '18 CRF250 has lithium a standard
2017 Blade SP/SP2 was Lion and i believe the both the 2014 and 2017 Ducati SL's were fitted with Lion. none of these models being cheap of course.
I’m sure the 2017 Gsx-R 1000 has a Lithium Battery too tbh... But as BJ and James have worked on that bike a lot I could be wrong. There appears to be one in mine as standard though?
Excellent video, impartial (and fun) dyno, now we know that Ducati has delivered the cookies. In other words, what a beast!! Hope you are planning a street review, that would be very interesting to see how it handles in real life situations or is only a track toy. Salud!
Best channel on UA-cam!
He's right about the soft tire sucking hp. After adding a PCV, full exhaust and custom tune, my ZX-14R dynoed at 198 RWHP with a Shinko Hookup but then we put a hard tire on with nothing else done and she dynoed at 208 RWHP. So she gained 10 hp by swapping tires.
Ya softer tires are kinda a heat sink but what's the point of making more WHP with a harder tire but now not being able to put it down
@@vistakay I only put the harder tire on to see the rwhp, I put back on the Shinko Hookup
I like to plan ahead, so before clicking on the thumbnail, I said to myself that I was going to hit the like button.
Great video thanks for all the information. I think it would have been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno as well to really get an idea of how much more power it makes over the other liter bikes. Still a bit disappointing in my opinion considering it’s got an extra 103 cc. It does save 20 to 30 lbs of weight over the Aprilia so that’s a plus at least. Haha
Jaret Campisi you have anderstand why Ducati Build a 1100ccm?This 103 ccm more as you can see on the Curve compair with a RSV4 is in every RPM better on Ducati.103ccm more are not only gonna use for the Top End Power reather for a good Power in every rpm.and for shure each 15000km Service is not Bad for a Bike with this Power.the V4 1100ccm are Build for 80%of Rider wich using that Bike on Street and eaven Trackdays and on Street you dont wont to bee all Time over 8000rpm to feel the Power.In my Opinion Ducati has Make a good step,for most of People a 1103ccm and for absolutlley Crazy Guys wich has somme Skills a V4 R this Bike will be presenting this Year.The v4r has 1000 ccm but the same Power on the Top End like the 1103ccm maybe more but eaven more RPM and in the Midrange less Power than the 1103ccm.Dont wory this is only the begining of this what thatEngine can put out on Power.Dont forget Ducati still the World Record holder of the most Powerfull v2 Engine and bigest Pistons ever made for a Street Bike .And i think nobody try to overpased that because Ducati push the v2 on the Limit.And The Desmosedici GP wich is similar with the V4 Engine is the most Powerfull Engine in the GP😎
aw c'mon Jared, you yourself said in your statement "been nice to know how the 1299 and S1000RR compared on this particular dyno" - I'll add, on this particular day, back-to-back-to-back, is truly the only comparison. Can't be disappointed until an apples-to-apples is done. Just because the RSV4 did 181, say Dec 12, 2017, doesn't mean that this bike wouldn't have made (hypothetically), 195+ HP. But you get the point.
Yeah I definitely understand the difference between weather conditions, how the dyno is tuned etc BUT I was still hoping for high 190's or low 200's just for fun :)
Jaret Campisi why does everyone expect a higher reading. Ducati claims 214hp. We know there is going to be at least 10-12% going to the wheel.
Well MCN had 198 to the wheel and I've seen other reports over over 200 so I was hoping to see numbers close to that on a consistent basis thats all :)
as usual, AL is the man!
I think on these bikes you can plug straight into the tyre valve
Expecting to see James in the Grand National with that riding stance!
Love the vids at JHS... James has got some good bants 👌
I want one... It grew on me hard. The s1000rr is right there on it in power. but the Ducati v4 looks amazing.
EBR 1190SX/RX comes standard with a lithium Iron Shorai battery since 2014.
You guys are great! 👍😎🇺🇸
What kind a world are we living in now where someone says 188+ rear wheel horsepower out of an 1100cc motorcycle engine is "disappointing"...!?!
Love how the speedo just goes to dashes above 186. What gentlemen's agreement?
I was just glad to hear that motor at high revs.
Why do "we" have to remove the tank to put this beast on the dyno ? Can't understand... Someone explains ? Tnx.
I just want one so bad, what a beast
Probably the desmo valve train is a little more efficient than a spring-return valve train. My guess worth about 1%. Most bikes are about 12% drivetrain losses (chain drive, modern FI bikes). So giving Ducati a 11% loss would be the most generous.
220 hp claimed X .89 (11% loss) = 195 WHP. Using 13% loss would amount to 191 WHP.
Given the gooey tire on that bike, the temperatures in that dyno room, the O2 levels in that dyno room, the elevation of that dyno room, the fuel condition, the engine oil conditions....
I'd say the results are about par.
ECU flash, full exhaust, and some other things would improve it as usual.
Music to my ears 👌🏼👌🏼
Id like to see the stats side by side with the Panigale 1299 FE or Anniversario even.
I’m probably wrong Bj/James... But doesn’t the 2017 Gsx-R 1000R that Bj’s had on Long Term demo have a lithium battery as Standard??
Seen plenty of Aprillas making over 80 fps of toque up to 83.
Just fucking love the sound that thing makes.
Wonder if Ducati will different size displacement V4's. A V4 899 perhaps?
How is it compared to your dyno test of s1000rr?
Akul Singh yes 8 hp less than the Duc on the wheel
What's the right way to calculate engine hp from the wheel hp: 188.7 / 0.85 or 188.7 * 1.15? It yields 222 or 217.
James the bristolian ledgend👌 hit him up with a plug where is his work shop located ? I've an old sv 650 finking of a 're jet kit maybe
Beautiful bike
Is the fourth gear limiting emissions related ala VW?
In comparison and to put the horsepower into perspective the H2 is around 191-200 horsepower stock. So not too bad, Ducati 👌
"Or drill a hole in ya tank" Haa 😂 classic James
Is this part of the break-in procedure?!
Do you have any dyno logs for s1krr on this same dyno??
Does the V4 come with Marchesinis?
188whp 88ftlbs wow!
guys, compared to most Ducatis of old, you must remember the engine has now been rolled back SIGNIFICANTLY in the chassis (even relative to the Panigale). before this point, the plug wire on the front cylinder was likely the easier of the two to access, but now the front cylinder is wedged up between the frame rails almost like an I4, so those days are over. 44T's doing it right, the others...? not so much.
How does it complain to the newer 1199r? That to me is most comparable duc to duc. Also the r came with that battery
Very nice, would we expect a full system to bump this to around 195? And how many miles has this one got on it, maybe expect a few more stallions once it’s fully run in?
Ben WoodHead yeah probably given the stock exhaust with cata it must restrict bunch of power
They claim another 11bhp so around 8bhp at a guess
maybe a stupid question but does the seat sitting on the fairing like that produce a lot of squeaking sounds or vibrations
Pvk Jhilk the seat doesn't sit on any fairing.
I beg to differ about the ease of working on that bike as opposed to the Aprilia I have found at the Aprilia is very easy to work on. The weight of the Aprilia is quite comprable and one thing I would take a look at is how much does each bike cost I believe the Ducati is almost $10,000 more.
Also take a look at the warranty costs of each bike Aprilia has very low warranty rates it is often referred to as the Honda of Italian motorbikes
So am I correct that the 2008 Desmosedici made 200 hp at the crank and 10 years later with an extra 103 cc this one only makes 214. So a ten year old motorcycle makes more hp per cc than the new bike.
Emission regulations..?
You guys are making me reach for my wallet, then I realise I'm a tad short of £24k!
I really like this guy
lithium ion battery: 2017 CBR1000rr SP + A Titanium Fuel Tank
the Duck or the Rillaaaa which one is best on track...thats all I want to know.
This is the same bike MCN put on the dyno!!
188hp is bad? That's before any tune? I wish you pulled up the 1199 as well. I think it produces great power, especially when compared to the RSV4.
TOILET my 1199 reads 173bhp on a similar dyno
ON MCN Dyno they get 198 HP without removing the tank....¿?
The engineering in this bike will become the new standard. Ducati have raised the bar. I'm sure the Japanese manufacturers already have one are reverse engineering as I type this.
Ozzi Supercub no need for them to reverse engineer, the technology has been used before and is available. 2017 fireblade sp1 first used this ohlins 2.0 kit. Yamaha first with the slide control and 6 axis bosche imu. Ducati have just packaged it all together well with a great new stonking 1100cc v4 with reverse crank and solid platform.
SportbikerNZ What I meant was they'd try to reverse engineer it as a package. Not the individual components.
Hang on a minute here.
So it needs the tank off to dyno, it only revs to a certain amount in 4th but is fine in 5th and top, it's making less power than claims would suggest and it's a subsidiary of the VW group.
It's also 10hp down on this one ua-cam.com/video/zZuZGtdVWwo/v-deo.html done at bsd but with the tank on.
JHS and BSD numbers usually seem pretty close on most things.
I bet it meets all the emissions regs with the tank off. lol
You probably can get RPM from the OBD port
Nice video!!
Even if the good old Rsv4 is still a superb machine and seems not that far off the new Panigale V4 Rsv4 feels a bit old and meh. I Remember when I rode a rsv4 for the first time and looked down on the shiny and slim frame and had a big grin on my face, but it is time to move on to at least a new lighter design, the power is there still after all.
The new Panigale V4 after seeing it in the flesh is very pleasing to the eye and to the touch but, 1100cc? I want to race sometimes too without selling my soul. 1000cc base model would be perfect for me.
You must have sold your soul already if you could afford to buy a Panigale V4 and then go racing with it.
Just ask the devil for a few more bucks.
Or buy a track RSV4 and race that which would be cheaper in parts anyway.
+Daddy Government What does styling have to do with performance? Do I say that the rsv4 is lacking anything in that regard? hmm... Look the rsv4 has had this styling with small alteration to the fairings since like 2009 or 2010, cant remember when it came out. It needs a new fresh look and maybe a weight reduction to make it look exciting. for me an 600 is good enough performance wise but weight wise I am hard to satisfy :P
Nobody in comments talking #'s understands that all dynos are different and these things will make more power after they break in a little
Hmm, where have I seen that Ducati vs Aprilia V4 comparison before?'
Your educated in Ducati the air box was open you don't think the air fuel is off
Aztec Warrior6969 if the tank seals the air box, it's pulling air from the box periphery. Shouldn't be a problem unless the dyno fans are creating a pressure drop across the fuel tank underside.
I've seen this bike dyno'd on a couple of other video (everyone sat properly on the bike btw) and they produced just under 200bhp, I think MCM had one at 198bhp. So whats going on, different bikes produce different power or is the different dynos?
Nigel Metcalfe Different dynos. For a truly accurate idea you need multiple bikes to compare on the same day. Calibration matters a lot.
Cheers for the reply
they likely weren't pulling a tach signal. i actually forgot about that so thanks for the reminder. these 44T guys are doing it proper.
strange, I saw two dino tests in V4 and the two stayed in the 201hps house on the wheel ...
Marcelo S every dyno is different
Love to get my bike to JHS
The 2017 Fireblade SP has a lithium ion battery as standard.
100cc more but, must be because of the counter rotating crank
so is the 188 rwhp? and the 217 from the crank?
Adam Cronahaw 217 at the crank 188 at the wheel
Only muppets get upset by 'only' 188 HP. Like they could even handle 150.
My '11 flashed ZX10R made 184 and that was a rocketship at high revs.
Unlike that bike, this V4 has mucho torque too so it must feel amazing to ride, especially on the road.
This guys the best mechanic I seen. Corse but he can be !!
The amount of rpm left before redline when the speedo went blank made me wonder what kind of top speed you could reach on this thing. 205mph maybe?
Legendary Valky I really doubt. Maybe 203-205
Mcn GPS tested 191 top speed
Aztec Warrior6969 I must have missed that. Do you remember which video it was?
Legendary Valky it's on MCN Instagram page actually it could for sure do 200 with different final drive
Sweet, thanks
I love how 650ib says the special will make more hp. How ?? It's the same displacement so it will have to give up bottom & mid range to get more max power . There is always a trade off unless there are Titanium rods & other very $$$ parts. Even then to get these big numbers cannot be achieved through custom exhaust or Up-Maps. So you get more but end up with less. Good luck on your thinking !!!!!!!
Sick!
Looking forward to seeing what the V4R puts down!!!
Beautiful!
MCN didn't have the problems with the tank 44teeth had, there dyno guy was just sitting on bike as normal
Because it was staged
Ducati says the bike revs 500 rpm higher in 6th. So the dyno measured right.
Where's that advertised 214 HP , 226HP for the S model? :/
I guess they left it at the crank xD.
Like literally every other gas powered motorcycle ever LOL
188hp is fucking insane!! Also has the technology to put it to the road. Superbike shoot out will be a slaughter I think.
The Duc has 100cc on the Aprilia. Value for money, you can't beat the Ape. I love my 1199 though, but I'll consider the Ape when it's time for a new bike.
Not u falt it your finances 😅 .23 v4 base 25k plus fees and tax 31 k out door financing 41k that for base v4. Cash 31k
horsepower is not everything it is like saying an mma fighter is a better fighter than another because of how much they can bench. lots of other aspects like weight, suspensions, aerodynamics, torque and engine power delivery systems play great roles in making a bike what it is.
Cool bike, but wont be seeing one come past me on the bmw rr any sunday breakfast runs
Been watching your OLD BIKE series and enjoying the fun... However, ... regarding, PEAK numbers, they're are fine... BUT WHERE in the RPM range are they occurring? Can you POST the Dyno chart and link it so someone can get a look at it? Because PEAK number tell only HALF the story. The "torque curve" tells you how the bike going to behave or 'how street rideable' a bike is going to be, or is it really just more a fast "track' bike where all the power only comes on after 11,000 rpms.(?) Will it really pull away from traffic without having to drop down 2 gears OR if it's going to be a dog UNTIL it gets up to where the power is? Generally, MOST "daily riders" spend "very little time" in up in the ultra high rpm range and a bike is tonnes MORE FUN if you can cruise around at a quick, but NOT FRANTIC, pace letting the motor's low-mid range torque do the work without HAVING to double down shift every time you need a little grunt... most of the time. Other times you DO want a 'frantic riding pace' while wringing out the motor to get the most you can!
Look at a dyno chart of a Suzuki GSX 1250FA. NOTE that PEAK torque is at ONLY 3500 rpms BUT at that rpm the torque is 75 lb-ft.to the wheel (or 86 lb-ft at the crank... at ONLY 3500 rpms) which makes for a VERY easy to ride big bike that is still very lively. OF COURSE no one buys a Ducati Panigale V4 for 'easy riding'... TRUE. BUT if I know that I'm going have to wring the rpms out of a bike to get it moving, "maybe" I'll need or want to look at different bike for over-all "road riding" and save the Duck for 'track days'.... THAT would be the reason for asking about the dyno chart. WHERE'S the power and how much can I expect there?
www.dragomoto.cloud/mrkt/mivv/SUZUKI/dynochart_GSX1250FA_gp.jpg
THANKS!