Memories of Gallifrey | The Time Monster | Doctor Who | BBC
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- The Doctor and Jo have traveled back in time to Atlantis in pursuit of the Master. Though desperate to stop his plan that could put an end to time, Jo and the Doctor instead find themselves chained up in a dungeon. Subscribe for more exclusive videos: bit.ly/SubscribeToDoctorWho
Fearing for her life, the Doctor tells Jo a story from his childhood in order to calm her down. Thoughtful clip from The Time Monster, first shown in 1972.
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What I also love about this scene is that, unlike today where it would show you visuals of the event as he describes it (Watch when he describes Gallifrey in series 3) this simply allows the camera to stay on Jon and Katy as he tells the story. And you don't get bored, because they allow Jon's acting to enthrall the viewer on it's own!
Storytelling in it's most basic form. You picture the events for yourself.
Love it.
I love how Capaldi's era has moments like these where they just allow the actor's talents to give life to the script without oppressive soundtracks or excessive special effects.
That's what I love about the classic series. They create such a rich lore and mythos with so little to work with.
@@reagantao3436 Oppressive soundtracks and excessive special effects? "This is Gallifrey" is a masterpiece and the Capitol is a very alien city which adds to the Doctor's mystery.
Classic Who was far better than New Who, especially SJW GRRRRRRRRRRRRRL Who.
'Gridlock' didn't have such a flashback. The Utopia trilogy of episodes, however, were riddled with constant flashbacks.
I wish Jon was still alive so he could read me bedtime stories. Snudgy snow.
Is it just me, or is the Third Doctor's voice very reassuring and nice? Kind of reminds me of honey and warm summer days.... :)
"I'll tell you another time"
Literally 2 seconds later
"well when I was a little boy..."
The story for another time would have been what happened before he went up the mountain, whatever happened to make him
despondent and seek the wisdom of the old man.
*Literally
No I'm pretty sure it was a televisual 2 seconds later...
Nope. He didn't tell her about the dark day.
Immaculate Jon Pertwee at his raconteurial best. True star quality. He just draws you in effortlessly with that beautifully distinctive voice. I could listen to him for hours. Still much missed. Long live King Jon!
Okay, so far, the first three Doctors have had profound moments with one of their companions, with brilliantly delivered dialogues by their actors. The First Doctor with his farewell to Susan, The Second Doctor with his comfort to Victoria, and The Third Doctor with his wisdom to Jo. I do hope that I will get to see the same with all the rest of the Doctors in the future as well.
p.s. if you comment, please no spoilers for the new _or_ classic series, thank you. :)
The First Doctor's speech to Steven in the Massacre of St. Bartholomew's is also really emotional. A shame the episode is lost.
Yeah, I really like that too.
the Doctor's always been very good at speeches, but it hits so much harder when they're goodbyes DX
Did you get to see the fourth Doctor's "homosapiens" speech in The Ark in Space? That was the moment, a lifetime ago, when I decided this Baker chap was an acceptable replacement for _my_ Doctor.
I find the dialogue of this scene to be so beautiful and thought provoking. So simple in its message yet so profound, highlighting how easy it is to overlook the smallest details that make up everything
and the music.. It's mysterious.. who is this guy? An angst ridden teenager looking for meaning in life?
This just proves that (in my opinion) Jon Pertwee is the best Doctor as he delivered that speech brilliantly
With 'panache', possibly my favourite word..)
Yeah, epic moment there.
Yes, yes he certainly was.
Him and Tom baker are the best without a doubt
That man could narrate a phone book and make it interesting.
Jon Pertwee was my Doctor and in my opinion, nobody has portrayed the role better than him. A touch of class, intelligence, humour and very believable. R.I.P Jon, you are well missed 👍🏼👏🏼🥇
I think with the old hermit was trying to tell the doctor was the secret of life was to take in everything, for there is beauty in everything. To keep an open mind and make sure your eyes stay open as well. If you do that, then nothing seems so gray and dull.
The monk's message was "Look, I know the Time Monster may SEEM dull and cheap, but it actually has great scenes, acting, dialogue, and characters if you want to see them."
Because of the quality of the special effects, the episodes are more story and character driven. A very good thing.
One of the finest moments in Dr Who. Lovely writing and acting.
I can't help but imagine the first doctor seeing this. And this moment pushing his will to explore the universe eventually
I've been having a hard time; not only in life but on myself too. I lost my dream job and tried to get a job. Took a few tries but I have a job I don't want to do. I feel like Cinderella kicked out of the ballroom door. I want to work in a library, but any I find aren't heiring, or are dragging their feet and are possibly worse off than my current job.
I've cried nearly after every shift in self-pity, and only just started this job last month. I really needed to hear the Doctor; I could listen to him all day.
"Was the blackest day in my life." You know nothing yet Doctor.
Omg i said that too -@-
thanks for that fam :') i'm pretty sure it was the day he looked into the untempered schism. all he could see was the negativity of the universe, the hate and fear and pain, so it painted his world grey. but when he saw that the universe was truly beautiful DESPITE the negatives, he began the journey toward the doctor we know today- loving the universe, protecting people and planets, saving whoever he can. i think it's a pretty beautiful thing. what also fits into this is the idea that in the time war, the doctor's view goes back to grey. he stops being able to see and love the world because there is just so much pain around him. (also, the war doctor is canonically colorblind, which i think is interesting.) fighting the nestene consciousness with rose was what slowly gave him back the "color" to life.
@@israfelparr676 That's a great interpretation.
@@israfelparr676 Where does it say the War Doctor was colorblind?
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799 Only first 2 were colorblind, according to TDOTD novelisation.
And this, ladies and gents, is why he is my favorite doctor and always will be.
Ahhh my first, and still favourite doctor, Jon Pertwee, and the companion I was in love with from the time I was four years old, Katy Manning.Truly this was the golden age of Doctor Who.
I love seeing daisies on green grass on a bright sunny day.
Had to watch this scene again after seeing 'Listen' last night :-)
You too?
I love how they give us an answer while still leaving a tad of ambiguity ("Why's he always crying?" "You know why.", although the reason could simply be the other kids' implied meanness/bullying; See that line in "The Empty Child" about being the only one left out in the cold)
I immediately went, "and the next morning, the old Hermit's gonna comfort him.", imagining the conversation, running around with the kid!master, watching that meteor shower with his father, who probably wasn't present very often... (if those ppl in EoT were indeed his parents, they were important busy council members and thus probably not there very often.)
We finally got to SEE that place, at first without realizing that it indeed IS mount Perdition and the surrounding fields, obviously a bit more... destroyed, with deserts instead of the red fields and described by the Master.
Gets even better when you remember that the Fourth Doctor also has a scene mentioning the Hermit, when he's trapped somewhere with Romana. He mentions that the Hermit ended up telling him ghost stories later. You can just imagine little!Doctor thinking, "If I systematically learn everything there is to know about monsters and how to ward them off, I can totally handle this."
2000 years later...
"WE SURRENDER!" * mystical monster is stopped in the nick of time *
Cryer24597 It is on Gallifrey.
Moffat has retconned it by saying in an interview for Doctor Who Magazine that in the wilderness the sky dips to that of a light blue. It's an awful retcon but it's still a retcon. But since there is little information on either side you cannot claim that it isn't on Gallifrey because we just don't know enough about where the barn is located.
It is to be mentioned that we never got much of a celestial light show whenever the planet showed up in the classics, see for example the quadruple visit to the "Death Zone".
We only saw the Daleks attacking the cities. Why would they attack places which are uninhabited? And Moffat has made a lot of things canon FROM his interviews. You forget that he is the man in charge, so anything he says goes.
the monk he's talking about later appears in the story planet of the spiders
Said monk showed no signs of recognizing him. This could be another Time Lord: he gave up the life and, like Buddha, sought simplicity. Earth was his wilderness, and Buddhism met his spiritual needs.
Juliet Fischer but the same thing happens
If you're talking about K'anpo, then he is the hermit who lived behind the Doctor's house. The Doctor even mentions him early in the story.
About a year and half ago I started watching the classic series of Dr Who for the first time. I started from the beginning and about 2 weeks ago I finished Pertwee's tenure. At the moment he is my fave Doctor.
How did this go? I never found that any of the others outshone Jon, but they are all fantastic.
Always love those little moments where the Doctor lets us just a little bit more about himself. Also its nice than when it was time for Pertwee to regenerate the brought up the old hermit again.
Excellent writing and acting. Some of the best I've seen from the Doctor.
A transcendent moment in Doctor Who -as was the poignant consoling wisdom of the second Doctor helping Victoria face her father's recent death in Tomb of the Cybermen
One of my favorite scenes in Doctor Who.
If you ever met him, he glowed with electricity. Didn’t matter who else was there, everyone always gravitated towards Jon. He gave so much and was so warm.
Jo don't rush the doctor when he's delivering a monologue! :D
Roger Delgado and Anthony Ainley
This would be the last episode Roger Delgado appeared in. He died in a car crash soon afterwards.
in a future episode, the man under the tree should be the doctor moments before regeneration on galifrey
This is a great scene.
So the secret of life is an optimistic perspective?
Also, abandoning the pretense of color blindness.
I think so, the reason everything looked grey and bleak to him was that he was despondent. When the monk helped him to see past his problems the Doctor saw things as there actually were: colorful and vibrant.
I think the point is that the doctor in his darkest of moments saw the light, the freedom of his situation, he could see all life had to offer outside of his narrowed prospective. Basically all he could think about was the worst day of his life, but by simply looking at the vibrancy of this daisy he saw that life was filled with choices and joys that could be seen if only he allowed it to be seen with everything else life entails.
Some very deep answers here.. outside of Ray's..(although it's pretty funny). That's why this episode is so good, we can all make of it what we will. I'd agree with you, yes it's a matter of perspective. I could quote a bunch of neurological studies (but I won't).. Simply, life is what you make of it.
+Vash Stampede I couldn't have put it better myself.
Jon Pertwee-he portrayed the Doctor with real panache!
This scene was done so well!
2:45 I think people are missing this. When he says "Yes, I laughed too when I first heard it," he's letting slip that he first heard this story from someone else. In other words, it didn't really happen to him. That tracks, of course, because the story is quite unrealistic. If someone is deeply distraught, you aren't going to cheer them up by just pointing to a flower.
However, just because it's not an anecdote from the Doctor's life doesn't mean there's no wisdom in it. The idea that your subjective appreciation of the world around you can vary and make a huge difference holds true. Also, the point was to lighten Jo's mood, which he succeeded at.
Doctor: "I'm sorry I brought you to Atlantis"
Joe: "I'm not"
Doctor: "I'm sorry I brought you to Atlantis, Joe."
Jo: "It's Jo"
Doctor: "Jo"
Beautiful scene :)
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After listening to President Romana's song about this, it's quite awesome to see the scene itself.!
wHAT SONG
What song?
As much as I hate the Hybrid storyline and think it really damages the established backstory, I like to tie all the pieces together and think that after learning of the Hybrid through the untempered schism (or learning of it before and not wanting to see or become the hybrid through the shcism), he ran to the old man under the tree for guidance.
I also like to think that the Doctor didn't and still doesn't know for sure who is the hybrid and that, thinking Susan was the hybrid, he brought her with him away from Gallifrey and later left her somewhere safe so the timelords would never find her.
I don't know if the Third Doctor is my favorite Doctor, but I do think he's the one I'd most like to travel with.
I agree. I like listening to him talk.
I always loved this scene
Amazing!
He's great!
One of the 13 best for sure!
I thought it was in Time Warrior but couldn't remember when. Thanks.
My favorite doctor
I love this episode
I can imagine John Pertwee narrating the Lord of the Rings
Deadly Assassin was the first one to mention the concept of a 12 regeneration limit. The first time the world Gallifrey was spoken was in "The Time Warrior", but I forget which particular episode it was. Probably 2, because the Doctor was talking to a Sontaran when he said it, and we didn't see Lynx's face in that episode until the last moment of Episode 1.
There is no Doctor Who prequel series. It's just Doctor Who, and series goes all in order from 1963 up to today.
The birth of the Old Hermit of the Gallifrey. The Neu Doctors mentioned the hermit several times.
Am I crazy or did 12 tell this story too? It bloody rocks.
@Kelly U.
Good question. I wonder too.
pertwee is actually the best doctor.
I don’t get it
Why do people hate this episode I really like The Time Monster
Daleklover 123 "COME KRONOS, COME!!!" - The Master, cliffhanger for episode one of The Time Monster. Best Cliffhanger ever, some random old man appears...so spooki (>~
Liam Cahill Yeah!
I think some people can't see beyond the bloke in a foam rubber bird costume hanging on a wire.
But who's to say a deadly all powerful superbeing from mythology wouldn't look like some bloke in a foam rubber bird costume hanging on a wire?
And for goodness sake, it's got the Master schmoozing the Queen of Atlantis! How can anyone not love that?
After watching THAT scene in Listen, it reminded me of the Doctor's blackest day and brought me here.
***** But that barn, if it is indeed the one from Day of the Doctor, was on a flat stretch of land, nowhere near a mountain. My theory is that the Doctor lost one or both of his parents on that black day, meaning that the barn was part of an orphanage of some kind.
That proves you don't have to be rich to be a hero to almost every species
That barn wasn't part of an orphanage, it was a school. Kids on Gallifrey leave their parents at the age of 8.
umm, if the barn in listen and the barn in The 50th are the same barn, the the barn in listen is not on galifrey and as such neither is the doctor. Because galligreyan skeys are not blue and how could the war doctor expect to destroy galifrey and end the war while still on the planet?
The real question from listen is why the doctor is NOT on galifrey. Its weird and i don't really like it but the evidence allows for nothing else
***** Actually, that was my thought too, "Where is the mountain?!"... then I went back to "Listen", to check, and look: There ARE mountains in the background, one of the little shadows on them might be the house or what's left of it. Cue squee moment.
The best doctor who
"Back when Doctor Who was good." -Someone in 1979
To be fair to that person, it was better consistently from 70-75 than at any point after that.
@@lapelcelery42 It declined after Tom Baker left and JNT became producer.
@@jamesline5103 I think it got a slight boost for Tom's last year because so much changed with JNT, and there is still a lot I enjoy after then, but in principle, yes totally agreed.
@@lapelcelery42 Yeah, season 18 might be better than season 17. I never thought Lalla Ward was the greatest companion personally. Mary Tamm was better in my opinion.
It lost a lot of the gravitas after Baker left.
It either became too silly (Colin Baker and McCoy) or too bland (Davison).
I agree with OP that the Pertwee era was the most consistent.
Blossomyest blossom.... Tag, you're it
Gallifrey Falls No More!
Interesting. I've never seen "The Time Monster". This makes me want to see it.
It's a really good episode where the Doctor and his Arch Enemy the Master both travel to Ancient Atlantis. Ingrid Pit(who starred in numerous Hammer films), is one of the guest stars, and David Prowse(Darth Vader) plays a Minotaur in one scene.
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is this referring to Pertwee's last episode in his dr who run? cos there is a monk in that ep too
indeed, the monk in that serial, Planet of Spiders, was the very monk mentioned here. Still alive, last we see, living on earth as a monk.
thats so cool! It really shows how complex the dr who cannon was back in classic who
Love jo
Why aren't people mentioning this when talking about 13's regeneration?
I like how in Capaldi’s era we have seen the house he mentions here
Isn't that the same place the War Doctor brought the Moment?
Hartnell and Troughton laid the ground work, Pertwee and Baker took the show to its highest point. After that idk….
Hmmmmm i'm not a big fan of three but this is a really good scene! :)
Why does no one like this episode again?
No idea.. This episode gets hated on allot, but i thought it was very good.. dodgy FX and all. The Chronos reveal was pretty amazing.. a women??? Of course.
I blame Hippias
I love it
I blame the time flow analogue. Pretty much a balancing trick with different items on a wine bottle that somehow worked.
Did anyone get ads for an airpress and ultrasonic welder?
Always the scholar
So the house on the mountainside, was that before or after you lived in the barn? Or are Gallifreyan mountains hard to distinguish from wastelands?
he talked about his father in the movie way later, and i think it's safe to say he grew up with his parents and family in House Lungbarrow. though in Listen the man and woman discuss sending him to the army, meaning they're at least his caretakers if not his actual parents, and this is BEFORE his initiation into the academy. so....... i think it's safe to say that doctor who has no established canon. he's half human, but also a high lord, but also poor, but also rich, but also an orphan????? so much shit
He grew up with his parents until something happened to make him an orphan. That’s when he went to live with the family at the orphanage.
The Doctor lies.
Ignore that Nu Who nonsense.
The Doctor was born in the House of Lungbarrow on the mountainside. Later, for whatever reason, he chose to leave and live in the barn.
I hope when Jodie's time on the show is at an end, we can get John's son Sean as the next Doctor. To be like the 3rd Doctor.
And, if Susan weren't enough evidence, this clip clinches it that the idea of Looms is complete nonsense.
What's Looms?
@@horaciosi Google "Lungbarrow".
2 things: I really want to see the Doctor Who Prequel series, and this talked about a time monster. well, the description did, but not the video. the title was very misleading.
"blackest day of my life" wait until the time war doctor you haven't seen anything yet.
They aren't saying that this is a prequel series. They are saying they WANT a doctor who prequel series
Love Jon Pertwee, he's second only to my favorite, Tom Baker.
Oh good. Glad to know it is't just me! :)
cool
The Doctor's backstory.
I want to know what his “blackest day” was.
I know it isn't canon (thankfully). And it sort of does... According to the Loom theory, Time Lords are "woven" fully grown.
The Doctor would hardly refer to himself as a "little boy" if this were the case.
I really want to see a Doctor Who Prequel Series!
I want a prequel series of doctor who too but only after we find out he real name and more about his past perhaps
If that happened, the essence of what the show is would be ruined.
Seriously? "The Time Monster" is the episode this scene appears in...The title is not misleading, at all.
Is it the hermit mentioned in state of decay?
I'm not sure, but the Hermit is the Abbot in Planet of the Spiders
@@blobfish5730 forgot about him. Will choose to believe it's the same man lol.
Hmm, that's a good comparison. I like that! :)
Yes, this is a great scene but I'm trying to find the one where the Doctor first says the name of his planet "Gallfirey." Was that not until "The Deadly Assassin ?"
No, I believe he mentions it in "The Time Warrior," the debit of Sarah Jane Smith.
Spearhead from Space I believe.
I really didn;t like this episode, but I loved this moment :D
The Blackest Day of His Life...Could it be the day when he learned about the prophecy of the Hybrid?
Or that was his perspective as a child. He's telling Jo about his childhood and not minimizing how he felt that day (even if the cause of his mood was the Time Lord equivalent of not being allowed to go to camp).
I always though it was the day when the Doctor looked into the Untempered Schism
oh shittttttttttt i think it might've been looking into the Untempered Schism though
No, you're confused. That was the blackest day of MY life.
This companion reminds me a lot of Karen Gillan for some reason...
Except Katy manning is the best person ever.. when I was young she hugged me at a convention and I've loved her since... (but not in a serial killery stalkery way)
1972
You can also be born before and after 1972
Thankfully Gallifrey is back from the time war, good to see his people no longer dead
All the TARDIS'S sisters to, yeah?
bingbonga binga yep!
Yeah. Just a shame that the Time Lords are complete twats.
Daniel Henshaw yep, sadly! Those greedy powerful cocky idiots!
Kronos, the father of Zeus Hades and Posideon is actually a Time Lord?!?!?!?!?!?
Sophie Wilson
No, actually. Kronos is a Chronovore, if my memory of the episode serves me.
Compare this to "sorry can't say anything to help, still socially awkward."
And the scene from the Tomb of the Cyberman where the Doctor comforts Victoria when she says she misses her father who died.
I like to see this scene rescored with the "Fear" music track from Listen.
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Where can I watch the classic series???
BBC store, DVDs or Dailymotion :) .
At least in America, you can rent the DVDs off Netflix.
Britbox!
Pluto tv
Retro TV is available in some areas. They still show reruns of Doctor Who.
the new show lost the relaxing calmness of the old show... I Just almost fell in a trance listining to 3rds every word.. if the new series looked more like 60s or early/mid 70s who in terms of atmosphere and camera movement often. It might have that element of DW again. maybe the episode formats need to become 28 minutes or 33.. 4×30 minutes would make for longer build up etc and make for longer tv broadcast of a series
Those episode formats of 25-minutes are a thing of the past. Today's TV audience prefer just a one-hour adventure.
Lol I see what you did there.