My guy has: - mourned a deer that he accidentally stepped on - transformed into truck mode for a kid in a hospital while being very badly injured himself - used the Matrix of Leadership to power said hospital when they lost power While also: - suplexing Starscream into the ground - RIPPING HIS OWN DISABLED ARM OFF & PIMP-SLAPPING SKYWARP WITH IT - Borrowed Megatron’s gun arm (WITH THE FUSUON CANNON STILL ATTACHED) and is now using it This Optimus is RAD. Update: Optimus Prime has now drop kicked Devastator.
Showing the comparison of Optimus mourning an animal he accidentally killed, while Starscream just zooms around purposefully and willingly painfully killing life that he knows is sentient is the perfect setup for both characters. This is a truly compassionate Optimus, and a dangerously cruel Starscream.
This! Is the Optimus Prime that I want Peter Cullen to voice specially in his current age They can have the war criminal, Depressed, or Battle Hardened Optimus any time and have Some one else do his Voice But this Optimus is the one Peter Cullen’s brother was talking “If you wanna be a Hero, be a Real Hero, Be strong enough to be Gentle”
I think Optimus considers a green forest to be beautiful in the same way WE might see beauty in a cave full of natural crystal formations, it has no resources we can use to survive, but it can still leave us in awe.
This new comic Optimus comes off exactly like how Peter Cullen described how he wanted to portray the character back in the day, to the point where you can just hear his voice while reading the dialog.
Honestly my ideal type of Optimus is pretty much " Hates fighting, has great potential, but when push comes to shove, he WILL fight" ( think someone like X from Mega Man X)
I hope we get a more G1 style personality G1 prime was a leader but also an almost fatherly figure who cracked jokes and had fun (Optimus prime canonically balls)
YES. Just YES. He's the first Optimus Prime in years to just be a good guy. No Messiah and guilt complexes (looking at you, IDW), no lack of personality (looking at you TFP), just good ol' warrior cowboy dad Optimus who's strong enough to be gentle. If you can read Optimus in the comics and hear Peter Cullen as he was in the 80s, then you know he's being written right.
My problem with idw prime is that they overdid the guilt tripping thing, yeah it was cool that we had a sorta no nonsense, tough cop optimus,but he never really evolved passed that.
I’m fine with introspective, guilt-ridden Optimus, but they went too far with it in IDW. Which is ironic because IDW Megatron is one of my favorite versions of the character ever
@@gavo7911 IDW Megatron and Armada Starscream are in the same boat for me. Yes, they were great reinventions and interesting directions to take the character in, but it becomes a problem when every iteration following them tries to copy them and fails miserably. You cannot make Starscream simultaneously a tragic figure who just wants some respect AND a backstabbing loser who wants power no matter what it costs (looking at you, Cyberverse). Megatron has been "good intentions paving the road to hell" because of IDW and Aligned for so long that it'd honestly be MORE refreshing to have him live and die as a completely irredeemable monster (which considering how Skybound OP has been so far, I am COUNTING on DWJ writing Megatron as just that)
G1 Cartoon Optimus: so compassionate he gets himself killed by hesitating to finish Megatron even though he knows better G1 Comic Optimus: so compassionate he lets himself get killed because he killed NPCs to win a video game Michael Bay Optimus: GIVE ME YOUR FACE!!!
I think the first Bayverse movie captured Optimus quite well, in his speech about humanity when Ironhide questions why the Autobots are fighting for us. Don't know if you'd call that compassion per se (more like faith in the good of people?) but it still rings very true to the original character for me, personally. It was only from the second movie and the advent of "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" onward that Movie Prime started coming off as a bloodthirsty psychopath. As for TFP Prime, I'm not sure I'd say he's without compassion. I think in his case it's expressed more as 'nobility', due to that version's characterisation as the wise leader & ancient warrior of legend, as opposed to the more openly warm father figure persona of the original. Everything in TFP is a more mythological take on the Transformers story & characters (which I get isn't for everyone but I personally love it) so its version of Optimus is fittingly STOIC in the extreme, which is probably why he might come off as a bit too cold sometimes, but the evidence is there that he's the same old Optimus we know and love underneath. They literally say in dialogue that he keeps his emotions in check, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have them, like when Raf got hurt by Megatron at the end of Season 1 and Optimus went to take him out once and for all. He was obviously motivated by what happened to Raf and angry about it, even if he doesn't allow it to show to the others too much (I think you can see it in the fight though). In a way it kinda reminds me of G1 when he immediately rushed to Cybertron to save Elita-1 after she got captured. I think you can see it as well in all the moments he tries to appeal to the better nature of characters like Skyquake and Dreadwing, trying to turn them away from the Decepticons and avoid a fight if he can. For this Prime, it's portrayed as noble and honourable, but if this were G1 Prime it would be played as compassionate. I think the action comes from the same place with both versions of the character - they both want to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, which is VERY Optimus - the only difference (as I see it) is that they express it differently. It's just different takes on the same core personality, so I don't think you could say TFP wasn't a good version of Prime (one of the very best, in my opinion). All that said, I get that the stoic take isn't for everyone and it IS cool to see them throwback to a more emotionally open Prime. There's room for both takes, as well as the more flawed/fallible ones like IDW 2005. My only hope with Skybound Prime is that they don't just make him perpetually SAD all the time. It makes sense for this opening arc, but I hope we get to see him perk up sooner rather than later if they're going to continue with him like this. I'll shut up now.
So Bayformers Optimus actually taking down his enemies is bad??? Bayformers Decepticons aren't goofy or honourable they're ruthless genocidal killers who need putting down ASAP.
This Optimus G1 study is award winning. All the G1 Autobots cared for Earth. The writers at the time worked hard to put the franchise together. This needs to go viral. Thanks for sharing!
The way I’ve always thought of Optimus Prime is Father. Yes he’s a soldier, a leader, and war hero at times but mostly he’s a father figure. He cares for his fellow Cybertronians, and all living creatures. “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings” when was the last time we heard Optimus say that? Im excited for this Optimus. I’m a father and since becoming one I’ve understood Optimus alot more. Very compassionate and strong. But when the time is right, hes ready for a fight to protect not just himself, but those he cares about
That scene from Issue 2 is probably like my favorite Optimus Prime scene in anything ever. I don't think I have ever seen any piece of media get Optimus as much as that scene gets him
An Optimus that isn’t a perfect old sage, a bloodthirsty lunatic, or cardboard cutout is so. Damn. NEEDED. Bumblebee was a good step back & this Optimus could hopefully be a return to form. Maybe not relaxing with sick basketball tricks but still an Optimus that gives a damn but doesn’t lose himself. …Hopefully
@@TrueSavage555 To be fair, Scourge was the kind of creep that mercy isn’t an option with. RoTB Optimus to me was more frustrated with himself & had his thinking too bottlenecked on getting the Autobots back home if anything.
What Hasbro and Paramount don't seem to understand about Optimus is that he's not just a vapid pop-culture icon, he's also the perfect example of what I call "modern mythology". Prime is the Jesus and the Hercules of his universe, a kind and compassionate leader who fights and cares for all kinds of life. Despite being a machine built for labor (and then war) he has nothing but love for all living things, and sees them as both equals and good friends. To me, he is the greatest male role model a kid could ever have, and Hasbro has continued to squander that very aspect of his character for nearly 2 decades oof Also I miss the more dad-like qualities of Prime, him playing basketball with Spike was so adorable X33
I prefer this Prime. I don't care if people think the live action primes are more realistic. Him being this compassionate despite all the war and whatever else just shows how strong willed he was.
I liked how he interacted with Earth, a foreign world to him. He accidentally crushed a deer because he wasn't used to how fragile Earth is being from a metal world. Him saying how he isn't used to a word were his feet shake the ground was so good.
@@beetleprime5927 this Optimus Prime definitely values all life but will destroy evil if all other options have been exhausted. His sadness over the deer's death was definitely a great scene of emotion from Optimus. Prime Optimus is my favorite in shows but he didn't show emotion quite as well. He comforted Arcee when they both were about to die in the Arctic but it didn't feel the same.
“You just wanna die for the guy! It’s like brainwashing or somethin’!” “No. That’s Optimus Prime.” Hound and Drift, from a movie that mangled Optimus’s character so badly Peter Cullen felt uncomfortable with the direction his character was being taken in
I imagine Optimus prime’s reaction in Peter Cullen’s voice (let’s be real, everyone is) and reminds me of what his brother Larry told him “be strong enough to be gentle”
To quote another heroic alien visitor to Earth who is (or should be) primarily defined by his compassion: '...I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something. To break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die...' (In case anyone is unfamiliar with this particular quote, it's from Superman in the final episode of the DCAU Justice League Unlimited cartoon - man, now I wish more than ever that that rumoured JLA/Transformers comics crossover from back in the early 2010s had actually happened, yes...?)
There is ONE instance of Optimus being openly willing to kill without mercy that I would be okay with: Megatron, and TFP OP did that well. I get that he is compassionate to a fault, but if the point of his "sterner stuff" scene was to show that, then it just damns Hot Rod into looking more terrible than was probably intended. Hell, it makes himself look stupid? Why point his blaster at Megatron if he wasn't going to shoot at him, coz he was trying to be merciful? After Raf gets near-fatally injured by the Cons, he knows his "I can fix him" attitude towards his old friend is misplaced. And the soldier mentality works THERE. Megatron WILL NOT STOP, no matter what he does, and he will continue to be a willing threat to this planet and its life. He can spare the other Cons, coz he can neutralize them w/o killing them, but if he keeps letting Megatron have mercy, he'd be causing more pain to the people he's supposed to be protecting. His compassion towards one unrepentant warmonger makes him indirectly responsible for all the death that will follow. If he can neutralize Megs w/o killing him, good. But most of the time, he can't. Megs is just lucky diabolus ex machina keeps preventing OP from finishing the job. This isn't to say Skybound Optimus is lesser for this. I agree, it's better than any other OP since the original. Personally, I'd say this should be his normal state, what he does when not fighting. But the mindset he took in TFP is more ideal when dealing with Megatron in particular. Also, as long as he's not gratuitously brutal about it, that makes it more palpable.
That compassionate Optimus is something DWJ pushed for... according to him Hasbro was kinda iffy on letting him keep that scene in the comic but he knew it would be impactful. I love the Skybound treatment so far, TJ you should definitely do some commentary on them.
When I read the comic, and Prime had his accident with the deer, I just heard the depth of Peter Cullens voice in my mind. It's the Prime who was a hero to so many of us as kids.
I personally love optimus' interpretation in prime, one of my favoritesfor the character. I cannot disagree though that seeing optimus going back to his roots makes me really happy and excited.
I think the larger cultural zeitgeist is starting to come back around to the idea that characters like Optimus Prime and Superman should be portrayed as noble, kind, and altruistic, not dour, conflicted, self-doubting martyrs. Batman is my favorite character, but not all heroes should be Batman. Frankly, I think sometimes they take it too far with heaping all the gritty suffering on Batman as well.
In live action movie they made him way too passive in the beginning then way too aggressive at the end. He went from, "Humans are young" to "We are done protecting humanity" 😂😂😂😂😂
Nothing against re-imagining the G1 story, but this is a way in which I feel like TF needs to branch out again and explore new characters instead of reinventing the wheel. Better than running all the favorite characters into the ground trying to do a new take in an attempt to refresh them.
I gotta disagree about TFP Optimus. Even in-universe, Ratchet called him out for being 'too soft' and not decisively putting an end to the Decepticons millennia ago (he was under the influence of super robo-steroids, but still). Even other little details, like sneering at Starscream that he couldn't expose Arctic researchers 'to a dangerous Decepticon', made me think we had good ol' classic Optimus.
He wasn't entirely emotionless, but yeah the could have made him cut loose and hang with the kids. I chalk it up to the writers having too much fun writing the Decepticons out.
This!…this is the Optimus we all want back. Don’t get me wrong, I love the different types of Optimists we’ve gotten in the past ten years (Transformers prime is a good middle ground between bayverse and G1 I believe), but…we need more G1 gentle father Optimus. He’s the Prime example (pun intended) of how to write the character. I’ve only read the first 4 issues of skybound, but I’m loving it so far. Issue 2 especially is wonderful, that whole sequence with the dear really touched my heart (I can even relate to how Optimus reacts, I’d react in a similar way, I don’t like seeing critters get hurt). I’m excited to see more of this comic series, and if they ever make an Optimus prime movie…they NEED to write him like how he’s written here and in G1.
Another Optimus prime that escaped the bayformers trend of Optimus, being a murderous psychopath was surprisingly the transformers, prime Optimus since he still have that compassion for earth and humanity even though he still had that stoic demeanor
8:56 let me correct you on that Respectfully. This is an Optimus prime who ran his foot into several vehicles filled with civilians got up to their face and said verbatim “You don’t seem afraid. Are you not surprised to see us?”
O M G . Oh hi, how ya do'n, when you said that I almost pee pee myself. That's got to be close to one of your lines of the year, your servant as always, Warren
Imo that deer was already dead when Optimus stepped on it. No way it wouldn't have ran away like hell from a 15ft tall robot after hearing his first foot steps.
In a strange way, Bayverse Optimus works within the timeframe he was written in. Given what we Americans went through one year into the 21st century, a heroic character not killing what basically amounted to terrorist members of his own kind wouldn't be considered a hero. He would be considered a coward unwilling to take out the few so that many might be saved. Sure, there were moments where he was poorly written (see AOE; even Peter Cullen himself thought so), but I make the argument that Bay Prime is a valid iteration of the character. He maintains Optimus's care for humanity (minus AOE) and his resolve to defeat the Decepticons. He's been worn down by millennia of war and he's in a situation where showing mercy to an enemy would result in the deaths of hundreds, even thousands. He is the Doomguy of Optimii: a tortured soul fighting against monsters beyond our wildest imagination, and he is all that those monsters fear.
This is exactly why I hate the Bayformers. "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings" and "obey me or die" can NOT have been said by the same character.
We need more classic heroes. We need to move past the era of the cynical, hopeless anti-hero. And Skybound's version of Optimus Prime is the ticket. Also, I read issue 3, and it gets better.
Honestly I want a transformers series for an adult audience with a similar tone to invincible where you see human casualties with the same amount of gore of being squished by decepticons
I'm sorry to say this but anyone who says that Optimus Prime from the movies is Optimus Prime. They're fake fans. You can like what you wanna like, but they don't understand the character of Optimus Prime. The same goes for Luke Skywalker, Batman, Spider-Man, all these modern interpretations fail to understand what makes the characters who they are. Luke and Optimus Prime are very similar in how they view people and the world around them strong believers in redemption. Spider-Man is just a kid who wants to use his abilities to help others. Batman is just a normal man who wants use his wealth to also help people. We don't have heroes in our society anymore, we have false depictions of heroes. We think a superhero is defined by their abilities, powers, costumes. Not They're morals or the people that they are. It's really sad how this generation is growing up with these unfaithful adaptions of beloved characters and are loving them for wrong reasons. Then calling themselves "fans"
Being a fan of an interpretation you don't like doesn't make someone a fake fan, it makes them a fan of THAT interpretation. I hate the term fake fan as if there's a certain criteria that has to be met, it's gatekeeping. Just let people be fans of what they like.
@@TJOmega I suppose you're right. I'm not taking away their fun. But if you're a fan of something you need to know it and you need to understand it. You can't say you're a fan of Harry Potter and not name a single character. Or be a fan of football and not name a single team. Or in this case be a fan of a character without fully understanding them. I understand that people like different interpretations, but there's a big difference between actually being a fan of something and just liking something because everyone else does for the wrong reasons
Or, a War Robots noob. You just wanna go in there and see where you can cause the most obliteration. Also, somebody who really doesn’t like the noobs on Roblox, and enters a game where you basically obliterate them. That’s what Skybound Starscream feels like to me.
I love Infiltration. But I was always uncomfortable with how detached Optimus felt when he first arrived on Earth and declared declared its likely too late to save humanity. Following that, he coldly colored into the vehicle of an enemy human and showed no evidence of remorse whatsoever.
To the shoutouter for this video: bless your heart. If I had the money I would have done the whole intro. :) I mean...points for getting Optimus right and all, but Transformers to me will always be a kids sci-fi war story. It wasn't made for 80s kids, it was made for kids who happened to be in the 1980s. Sesame Street was never forced to "grow up" with its audience or most of us would never have had Sesame Street past the 1960s. So getting all sadistic and grimdark will never be accepted by my brain as proper no matter how good the storytelling and art is. Plus they killed off my boy Bumblebee and he didn't even get a heroic death. Even in the Devil's Due crossover with GI Joe he got to do things before Serpent OR slaughtered him. So I'm just not interested in what Skybound is doing with the Transformers even before this forced in shared universe. Just because it's good doesn't mean it works for me personally.
I hated the IDW run of Transformers. It felt cold and alienating compared to the cartoons. Ratchet boarder on mad scientists. For good guys that cared about life, the Autobots treated the humans they protected like annoyances.
The bayverse movie literally ruined Optimus and almost every other character they touched. I had hope the Bumblebee movie was going to be a course correct but nope… ROTB comes and it’s the same old boring, bland, uninteresting Optimus from the bay films who is nothing more then a set piece with a thin vail of “character development”. Just trash. Hopefully I can find these comics soon so I can catch up for the next issue.
You know what's funny Peter cullen actually enjoyed the making rotb and a great time voicing that prime more than the bayfilms and more than the bumblebee movie
@@Blitz4086 I’m sure he did, he didn’t have to be as violent as the bayfilms and they didn’t ask him to do an impression of a UA-camr like they did on bumblebee. Point still stands though, ROTB Prime is bland and has a very basic, boring character arc that barely tells us anything about this prime
Yeah, "shook Transformers Twitter" is putting it very, very lightly and for good reason, that was a POWERFUL scene. It really piqued my interest. I however feel that the G1 designs clash A LOT with the current tone of the story, I wish they had a unique art style.
Am sorry if that deer died because a huge, loud, and very vibrant robot some how sneaked up on it while talking!!! it was a pretty dumb dear and deserved it. Like normal deer run if they catch a wiff of anything unusual from fields away they hear one tree branch break they go running how the hell did that deer not notice prime.
my only complaint is the attrocious art. very low grade in many ways. I hate really messy art. but if it really is being drawn by the walking dead people I now understand why it looks they way it does. The robots and the human both look very very basic and generic. I also very much hope they dont end up making it all about identity politics and representation gasliting messaging and agenda kind of stuff. I just want good solid story telling. so far it's okay. But I'd be lying if I said I'm weary of trust. Trust has been trampled on for so long in my entertainment. So I'm willing to give it the benifit of the doubt for now. I read the first couple issues as well. Again I just feel the art is super messy and inconsistant when it comes to the robots. sadly the humans are drawn pretty messy as well almost like something you'd see in the sunday paper comic strips. I hope as it continues the art style improves. It seems to me all people care about art wise is the tons of variant covers when to me the most important art is the art inside the books.
My guy has:
- mourned a deer that he accidentally stepped on
- transformed into truck mode for a kid in a hospital while being very badly injured himself
- used the Matrix of Leadership to power said hospital when they lost power
While also:
- suplexing Starscream into the ground
- RIPPING HIS OWN DISABLED ARM OFF & PIMP-SLAPPING SKYWARP WITH IT
- Borrowed Megatron’s gun arm (WITH THE FUSUON CANNON STILL ATTACHED) and is now using it
This Optimus is RAD.
Update: Optimus Prime has now drop kicked Devastator.
further update: turned shockwave into a pile of scrap
Showing the comparison of Optimus mourning an animal he accidentally killed, while Starscream just zooms around purposefully and willingly painfully killing life that he knows is sentient is the perfect setup for both characters. This is a truly compassionate Optimus, and a dangerously cruel Starscream.
If Starscream is this sadistic, I hate to see what Megatron is like.
This! Is the Optimus Prime that I want Peter Cullen to voice specially in his current age
They can have the war criminal, Depressed, or Battle Hardened Optimus any time and have Some one else do his Voice
But this Optimus is the one Peter Cullen’s brother was talking
“If you wanna be a Hero, be a Real Hero, Be strong enough to be Gentle”
Was going to comment this exact paragraph and now I don’t have to, 100% agree 🫶
I think Optimus considers a green forest to be beautiful in the same way WE might see beauty in a cave full of natural crystal formations, it has no resources we can use to survive, but it can still leave us in awe.
Optimus doesn’t need a tragic past or be an asshole to be interesting, he just needs to be strong enough to be gentle
Optimus Prime should always be a kind and compassionate person, not just a super action robot.
Agreed
How old are you?
Agreed. How peter cullen originally envisioned him.
@@alphatrion100 Exactly!
OR we could have a variety of primes to be fans of so there's something for everyone, yeah?
This new comic Optimus comes off exactly like how Peter Cullen described how he wanted to portray the character back in the day, to the point where you can just hear his voice while reading the dialog.
Honestly my ideal type of Optimus is pretty much " Hates fighting, has great potential, but when push comes to shove, he WILL fight" ( think someone like X from Mega Man X)
You just read my mind
I hope we get a more G1 style personality
G1 prime was a leader but also an almost fatherly figure who cracked jokes and had fun (Optimus prime canonically balls)
YES. Just YES. He's the first Optimus Prime in years to just be a good guy. No Messiah and guilt complexes (looking at you, IDW), no lack of personality (looking at you TFP), just good ol' warrior cowboy dad Optimus who's strong enough to be gentle. If you can read Optimus in the comics and hear Peter Cullen as he was in the 80s, then you know he's being written right.
My problem with idw prime is that they overdid the guilt tripping thing, yeah it was cool that we had a sorta no nonsense, tough cop optimus,but he never really evolved passed that.
How old are you?
I’m fine with introspective, guilt-ridden Optimus, but they went too far with it in IDW. Which is ironic because IDW Megatron is one of my favorite versions of the character ever
@@kevinp.h157 older than time why ask?
@@gavo7911 IDW Megatron and Armada Starscream are in the same boat for me. Yes, they were great reinventions and interesting directions to take the character in, but it becomes a problem when every iteration following them tries to copy them and fails miserably.
You cannot make Starscream simultaneously a tragic figure who just wants some respect AND a backstabbing loser who wants power no matter what it costs (looking at you, Cyberverse).
Megatron has been "good intentions paving the road to hell" because of IDW and Aligned for so long that it'd honestly be MORE refreshing to have him live and die as a completely irredeemable monster (which considering how Skybound OP has been so far, I am COUNTING on DWJ writing Megatron as just that)
G1 Cartoon Optimus: so compassionate he gets himself killed by hesitating to finish Megatron even though he knows better
G1 Comic Optimus: so compassionate he lets himself get killed because he killed NPCs to win a video game
Michael Bay Optimus: GIVE ME YOUR FACE!!!
Ngl the video game one is just funny
I think the first Bayverse movie captured Optimus quite well, in his speech about humanity when Ironhide questions why the Autobots are fighting for us. Don't know if you'd call that compassion per se (more like faith in the good of people?) but it still rings very true to the original character for me, personally. It was only from the second movie and the advent of "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" onward that Movie Prime started coming off as a bloodthirsty psychopath.
As for TFP Prime, I'm not sure I'd say he's without compassion. I think in his case it's expressed more as 'nobility', due to that version's characterisation as the wise leader & ancient warrior of legend, as opposed to the more openly warm father figure persona of the original. Everything in TFP is a more mythological take on the Transformers story & characters (which I get isn't for everyone but I personally love it) so its version of Optimus is fittingly STOIC in the extreme, which is probably why he might come off as a bit too cold sometimes, but the evidence is there that he's the same old Optimus we know and love underneath. They literally say in dialogue that he keeps his emotions in check, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have them, like when Raf got hurt by Megatron at the end of Season 1 and Optimus went to take him out once and for all. He was obviously motivated by what happened to Raf and angry about it, even if he doesn't allow it to show to the others too much (I think you can see it in the fight though). In a way it kinda reminds me of G1 when he immediately rushed to Cybertron to save Elita-1 after she got captured.
I think you can see it as well in all the moments he tries to appeal to the better nature of characters like Skyquake and Dreadwing, trying to turn them away from the Decepticons and avoid a fight if he can. For this Prime, it's portrayed as noble and honourable, but if this were G1 Prime it would be played as compassionate. I think the action comes from the same place with both versions of the character - they both want to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, which is VERY Optimus - the only difference (as I see it) is that they express it differently. It's just different takes on the same core personality, so I don't think you could say TFP wasn't a good version of Prime (one of the very best, in my opinion).
All that said, I get that the stoic take isn't for everyone and it IS cool to see them throwback to a more emotionally open Prime. There's room for both takes, as well as the more flawed/fallible ones like IDW 2005. My only hope with Skybound Prime is that they don't just make him perpetually SAD all the time. It makes sense for this opening arc, but I hope we get to see him perk up sooner rather than later if they're going to continue with him like this.
I'll shut up now.
TFP Prime is not stoic, is boring, flat and one dimensional, he legit is a 😐
@@benjamingomez1761so i guess yelling when he loses the cybertron keys or whatever he smiles, shocked and sad is one dimensional then 💀
So Bayformers Optimus actually taking down his enemies is bad??? Bayformers Decepticons aren't goofy or honourable they're ruthless genocidal killers who need putting down ASAP.
This Optimus G1 study is award winning. All the G1 Autobots cared for Earth. The writers at the time worked hard to put the franchise together. This needs to go viral. Thanks for sharing!
The way I’ve always thought of Optimus Prime is Father. Yes he’s a soldier, a leader, and war hero at times but mostly he’s a father figure. He cares for his fellow Cybertronians, and all living creatures. “Freedom is the right of all sentient beings” when was the last time we heard Optimus say that? Im excited for this Optimus. I’m a father and since becoming one I’ve understood Optimus alot more. Very compassionate and strong. But when the time is right, hes ready for a fight to protect not just himself, but those he cares about
That scene from Issue 2 is probably like my favorite Optimus Prime scene in anything ever. I don't think I have ever seen any piece of media get Optimus as much as that scene gets him
An Optimus that isn’t a perfect old sage, a bloodthirsty lunatic, or cardboard cutout is so. Damn. NEEDED. Bumblebee was a good step back & this Optimus could hopefully be a return to form. Maybe not relaxing with sick basketball tricks but still an Optimus that gives a damn but doesn’t lose himself. …Hopefully
Yeah, ROTB Prime was quite the bloodthirsty lunatic. I miss how the movies portrayed Prime in the first 3 films.
@@TrueSavage555the kill-em-all attitude never left!
@@TrueSavage555 To be fair, Scourge was the kind of creep that mercy isn’t an option with. RoTB Optimus to me was more frustrated with himself & had his thinking too bottlenecked on getting the Autobots back home if anything.
@@dylanfrancis5996 And that same explanation doesnt go for Bay Prime?
@@TrueSavage555 Bay Prime… I don’t even know where to pin him down tbh 😵💫
What Hasbro and Paramount don't seem to understand about Optimus is that he's not just a vapid pop-culture icon, he's also the perfect example of what I call "modern mythology".
Prime is the Jesus and the Hercules of his universe, a kind and compassionate leader who fights and cares for all kinds of life.
Despite being a machine built for labor (and then war) he has nothing but love for all living things, and sees them as both equals and good friends.
To me, he is the greatest male role model a kid could ever have, and Hasbro has continued to squander that very aspect of his character for nearly 2 decades oof
Also I miss the more dad-like qualities of Prime, him playing basketball with Spike was so adorable X33
I like this take on Optimus Prime, he admires hoe beautiful Earth is , but he needs to be careful with everything around.
I prefer this Prime. I don't care if people think the live action primes are more realistic. Him being this compassionate despite all the war and whatever else just shows how strong willed he was.
I liked how he interacted with Earth, a foreign world to him. He accidentally crushed a deer because he wasn't used to how fragile Earth is being from a metal world. Him saying how he isn't used to a word were his feet shake the ground was so good.
@@braydenpage1808I also the line were he says he should have better as well. I could feel how genuinely upset he was.
I, too, admire Earth hoe's.
@@beetleprime5927 this Optimus Prime definitely values all life but will destroy evil if all other options have been exhausted. His sadness over the deer's death was definitely a great scene of emotion from Optimus. Prime Optimus is my favorite in shows but he didn't show emotion quite as well. He comforted Arcee when they both were about to die in the Arctic but it didn't feel the same.
Starscream reaching for the pilot is what my food in the microwave sees.
As TF:AOE Drift said, "THAT'S Optimus Prime!"
“You just wanna die for the guy! It’s like brainwashing or somethin’!”
“No. That’s Optimus Prime.”
Hound and Drift, from a movie that mangled Optimus’s character so badly Peter Cullen felt uncomfortable with the direction his character was being taken in
@@EternityKingdomsHeadHoncho That was Crosshairs. Hound was in the city. I've watched AOE a lot, had it on DVD.
I adore this version of Optimus Prime! First time I am actually keeping up with a comic transformers series! Keep up the great work TJ!
I would welcome reviews of the Skybound comics with open arms.
Optimus Prime being an a Messiah in the IDW 1.0 comics was a stupid idea.
Almost. He was actually the Mariaha (Carey).
I imagine Optimus prime’s reaction in Peter Cullen’s voice (let’s be real, everyone is) and reminds me of what his brother Larry told him “be strong enough to be gentle”
To quote another heroic alien visitor to Earth who is (or should be) primarily defined by his compassion:
'...I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something. To break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die...'
(In case anyone is unfamiliar with this particular quote, it's from Superman in the final episode of the DCAU Justice League Unlimited cartoon - man, now I wish more than ever that that rumoured JLA/Transformers comics crossover from back in the early 2010s had actually happened, yes...?)
There is ONE instance of Optimus being openly willing to kill without mercy that I would be okay with: Megatron, and TFP OP did that well.
I get that he is compassionate to a fault, but if the point of his "sterner stuff" scene was to show that, then it just damns Hot Rod into looking more terrible than was probably intended. Hell, it makes himself look stupid? Why point his blaster at Megatron if he wasn't going to shoot at him, coz he was trying to be merciful?
After Raf gets near-fatally injured by the Cons, he knows his "I can fix him" attitude towards his old friend is misplaced.
And the soldier mentality works THERE.
Megatron WILL NOT STOP, no matter what he does, and he will continue to be a willing threat to this planet and its life. He can spare the other Cons, coz he can neutralize them w/o killing them, but if he keeps letting Megatron have mercy, he'd be causing more pain to the people he's supposed to be protecting. His compassion towards one unrepentant warmonger makes him indirectly responsible for all the death that will follow.
If he can neutralize Megs w/o killing him, good. But most of the time, he can't. Megs is just lucky diabolus ex machina keeps preventing OP from finishing the job.
This isn't to say Skybound Optimus is lesser for this. I agree, it's better than any other OP since the original. Personally, I'd say this should be his normal state, what he does when not fighting. But the mindset he took in TFP is more ideal when dealing with Megatron in particular. Also, as long as he's not gratuitously brutal about it, that makes it more palpable.
Very interesting video. In my imagination, the the plot twist is that live action/Bayverse/Murder Prime is actually Nemesis Prime.
I still hold onto the theory that Bayverse Prime is ROTB Scourge.
that scene with the deer really hits me with the feels it's great!
That compassionate Optimus is something DWJ pushed for... according to him Hasbro was kinda iffy on letting him keep that scene in the comic but he knew it would be impactful. I love the Skybound treatment so far, TJ you should definitely do some commentary on them.
What scene in the comic?
@@kevinp.h157 the scene with Optimus and the deer. DWL commented on his Friday live stream about it
I miss the time, when Optimus used to play basketball.
This is a version of Optimus that probably would give it a try.
When I read the comic, and Prime had his accident with the deer, I just heard the depth of Peter Cullens voice in my mind. It's the Prime who was a hero to so many of us as kids.
I personally love optimus' interpretation in prime, one of my favoritesfor the character. I cannot disagree though that seeing optimus going back to his roots makes me really happy and excited.
This compassionate Optimus Prime reminds me of Optimus Primal's Beast Wars mentality.
"Be strong enough to be gentle."
I think the larger cultural zeitgeist is starting to come back around to the idea that characters like Optimus Prime and Superman should be portrayed as noble, kind, and altruistic, not dour, conflicted, self-doubting martyrs. Batman is my favorite character, but not all heroes should be Batman. Frankly, I think sometimes they take it too far with heaping all the gritty suffering on Batman as well.
Thank Daniel Warren Johnson, the man is a legend! His takes on Beta Ray Bill and Wonder Woman were amazing, he is doing the Transformers justice!
In live action movie they made him way too passive in the beginning then way too aggressive at the end. He went from, "Humans are young" to "We are done protecting humanity" 😂😂😂😂😂
I can hear 1980's peter cullen when i'm reading Prime's speech bubbles
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TJOmega explaining why we haven't seen an innocent prime in ages:
Well Well Well
I haven't reallly heard of this comic before but I'm really interested in it now.
If this is what Optimus is like in Skybound I really look forward to when we get Hot Rod in the comic especially if he becomes Rodimus Prime.
Daniel Warren Johnson said he digs Hot Rod and his character arc, so I wouldn't put it past him to get him in the Skyboundiverse at some point.
I heard somewhere they wanted to include Bulkhead at some point
That’s from Robert Kirkman himself and I’m all for it.
Personally, I'm waiting for Grimlock.
Finally people are waking up to this👏👏👏
4:55 I'm speechless Prime killed a deer by accident.
NO PRIME NO
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👇if your sad prime killed the deer
Optimus isekai that deer "I was reborn in another world as a scraplet"
Optimus best dad
The Dad
Nothing against re-imagining the G1 story, but this is a way in which I feel like TF needs to branch out again and explore new characters instead of reinventing the wheel. Better than running all the favorite characters into the ground trying to do a new take in an attempt to refresh them.
I gotta disagree about TFP Optimus. Even in-universe, Ratchet called him out for being 'too soft' and not decisively putting an end to the Decepticons millennia ago (he was under the influence of super robo-steroids, but still). Even other little details, like sneering at Starscream that he couldn't expose Arctic researchers 'to a dangerous Decepticon', made me think we had good ol' classic Optimus.
Nah G1 Prime had a personality, TFP Prime was an emotionless brick, boring af
He wasn't entirely emotionless, but yeah the could have made him cut loose and hang with the kids.
I chalk it up to the writers having too much fun writing the Decepticons out.
This!…this is the Optimus we all want back. Don’t get me wrong, I love the different types of Optimists we’ve gotten in the past ten years (Transformers prime is a good middle ground between bayverse and G1 I believe), but…we need more G1 gentle father Optimus. He’s the Prime example (pun intended) of how to write the character. I’ve only read the first 4 issues of skybound, but I’m loving it so far. Issue 2 especially is wonderful, that whole sequence with the dear really touched my heart (I can even relate to how Optimus reacts, I’d react in a similar way, I don’t like seeing critters get hurt). I’m excited to see more of this comic series, and if they ever make an Optimus prime movie…they NEED to write him like how he’s written here and in G1.
7:40 um the Cybertron Cities from Energon?
Another Optimus prime that escaped the bayformers trend of Optimus, being a murderous psychopath was surprisingly the transformers, prime Optimus since he still have that compassion for earth and humanity even though he still had that stoic demeanor
8:56 let me correct you on that Respectfully. This is an Optimus prime who ran his foot into several vehicles filled with civilians got up to their face and said verbatim
“You don’t seem afraid. Are you not surprised to see us?”
O M G . Oh hi, how ya do'n, when you said that I almost pee pee myself. That's got to be close to one of your lines of the year, your servant as always, Warren
It’s. Dare I say it perfect
Thanks for covering this. I was unaware of the new comic series. I'm gonna pick these up tomorrow!
Now I feel kinda bad for liking bayverse prime and allowing it to be so successful among the franchise
I LOVE THIS COMIC BOOK SO MUCH!!!!!!!
Squirrel's are my wife and mine favorite animal and this summer one ran out and my wife tried to swerve but it was to late she still isn't over it
Imo that deer was already dead when Optimus stepped on it. No way it wouldn't have ran away like hell from a 15ft tall robot after hearing his first foot steps.
I accept this reasoning, much better that poor Optimus literally stepping on a live deer.😢
Yeah I hope more of these get on my recommended.
In a strange way, Bayverse Optimus works within the timeframe he was written in. Given what we Americans went through one year into the 21st century, a heroic character not killing what basically amounted to terrorist members of his own kind wouldn't be considered a hero. He would be considered a coward unwilling to take out the few so that many might be saved.
Sure, there were moments where he was poorly written (see AOE; even Peter Cullen himself thought so), but I make the argument that Bay Prime is a valid iteration of the character. He maintains Optimus's care for humanity (minus AOE) and his resolve to defeat the Decepticons. He's been worn down by millennia of war and he's in a situation where showing mercy to an enemy would result in the deaths of hundreds, even thousands.
He is the Doomguy of Optimii: a tortured soul fighting against monsters beyond our wildest imagination, and he is all that those monsters fear.
Honestly I feel like if they gave bayverse Optimus’s personality and character to grimlock, we would have the a great version of grimlock
Bay fans really like to pretend that Bay Prime was "written" intead of just another case of people not giving a shit about Optimus as a character
we had batman with guns we got batmans who murdered an entire universe there are even brutal kill happy spider men and cap also joined hydra for once
Don’t forget Attinger was going to kill Cade. So I believe that one was justified.
I misread the title as "skibidi optimus"
I just bought the first two issues from Midtown Comics NY, I don’t know what I’m waiting for.
I would be interested in watching you review the issues, or maybe just do them on the trades so there's more to talk about in the future.
I'd just love to be able to actually get these comics...
It’s like seeing the power rangers working with the main villain of that season, thanks cosmic fury.
This is exactly why I hate the Bayformers. "Freedom is the Right of all sentient beings" and "obey me or die" can NOT have been said by the same character.
We need more classic heroes. We need to move past the era of the cynical, hopeless anti-hero. And Skybound's version of Optimus Prime is the ticket. Also, I read issue 3, and it gets better.
Very enjoyable video
Honestly I want a transformers series for an adult audience with a similar tone to invincible where you see human casualties with the same amount of gore of being squished by decepticons
IDW Megatron was more of a likable character than IDW Optimus
a good ol' Abe Lincoln
U forgot these author that make ripping arms he refer from ez 8 ripping his arm
Bayformers are cheesegraters.
Hello there
Actually, Batman did use guns when he 1st appeared.
I'm sorry to say this but anyone who says that Optimus Prime from the movies is Optimus Prime. They're fake fans. You can like what you wanna like, but they don't understand the character of Optimus Prime. The same goes for Luke Skywalker, Batman, Spider-Man, all these modern interpretations fail to understand what makes the characters who they are. Luke and Optimus Prime are very similar in how they view people and the world around them strong believers in redemption. Spider-Man is just a kid who wants to use his abilities to help others. Batman is just a normal man who wants use his wealth to also help people. We don't have heroes in our society anymore, we have false depictions of heroes. We think a superhero is defined by their abilities, powers, costumes. Not They're morals or the people that they are. It's really sad how this generation is growing up with these unfaithful adaptions of beloved characters and are loving them for wrong reasons. Then calling themselves "fans"
Being a fan of an interpretation you don't like doesn't make someone a fake fan, it makes them a fan of THAT interpretation. I hate the term fake fan as if there's a certain criteria that has to be met, it's gatekeeping. Just let people be fans of what they like.
@@TJOmega I suppose you're right. I'm not taking away their fun. But if you're a fan of something you need to know it and you need to understand it. You can't say you're a fan of Harry Potter and not name a single character. Or be a fan of football and not name a single team. Or in this case be a fan of a character without fully understanding them. I understand that people like different interpretations, but there's a big difference between actually being a fan of something and just liking something because everyone else does for the wrong reasons
Or, a War Robots noob. You just wanna go in there and see where you can cause the most obliteration. Also, somebody who really doesn’t like the noobs on Roblox, and enters a game where you basically obliterate them. That’s what Skybound Starscream feels like to me.
So the intro isn't the cool 3D animated machine thing? Apologies. I'm new to your youtube channel.
I love Infiltration. But I was always uncomfortable with how detached Optimus felt when he first arrived on Earth and declared declared its likely too late to save humanity. Following that, he coldly colored into the vehicle of an enemy human and showed no evidence of remorse whatsoever.
To the shoutouter for this video: bless your heart. If I had the money I would have done the whole intro. :)
I mean...points for getting Optimus right and all, but Transformers to me will always be a kids sci-fi war story. It wasn't made for 80s kids, it was made for kids who happened to be in the 1980s. Sesame Street was never forced to "grow up" with its audience or most of us would never have had Sesame Street past the 1960s.
So getting all sadistic and grimdark will never be accepted by my brain as proper no matter how good the storytelling and art is. Plus they killed off my boy Bumblebee and he didn't even get a heroic death. Even in the Devil's Due crossover with GI Joe he got to do things before Serpent OR slaughtered him. So I'm just not interested in what Skybound is doing with the Transformers even before this forced in shared universe. Just because it's good doesn't mean it works for me personally.
I hated the IDW run of Transformers. It felt cold and alienating compared to the cartoons.
Ratchet boarder on mad scientists. For good guys that cared about life, the Autobots treated the humans they protected like annoyances.
Yes, this optimus is beautiful, but bayformers wasn't a blood thirsty psychopath , yall reall streching it imo
I think Ge is good but IDW, UT and Animated Optimus is better
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That deer looks way too small. And liquefied.
The bayverse movie literally ruined Optimus and almost every other character they touched. I had hope the Bumblebee movie was going to be a course correct but nope… ROTB comes and it’s the same old boring, bland, uninteresting Optimus from the bay films who is nothing more then a set piece with a thin vail of “character development”. Just trash. Hopefully I can find these comics soon so I can catch up for the next issue.
You know what's funny Peter cullen actually enjoyed the making rotb and a great time voicing that prime more than the bayfilms and more than the bumblebee movie
@@Blitz4086 I’m sure he did, he didn’t have to be as violent as the bayfilms and they didn’t ask him to do an impression of a UA-camr like they did on bumblebee. Point still stands though, ROTB Prime is bland and has a very basic, boring character arc that barely tells us anything about this prime
Dew it
Yeah, "shook Transformers Twitter" is putting it very, very lightly and for good reason, that was a POWERFUL scene. It really piqued my interest. I however feel that the G1 designs clash A LOT with the current tone of the story, I wish they had a unique art style.
Am sorry if that deer died because a huge, loud, and very vibrant robot some how sneaked up on it while talking!!! it was a pretty dumb dear and deserved it.
Like normal deer run if they catch a wiff of anything unusual from fields away they hear one tree branch break they go running how the hell did that deer not notice prime.
The bay verse prime started off decent till he got killed. The bay verse is total trash in terms of character story overall universe
Doesn't excuse the whole "Blood and gore = Mature" thing this book seems to have going on.
Doesn't excuse it just shows that death has meaning in this story
my only complaint is the attrocious art. very low grade in many ways. I hate really messy art. but if it really is being drawn by the walking dead people I now understand why it looks they way it does. The robots and the human both look very very basic and generic. I also very much hope they dont end up making it all about identity politics and representation gasliting messaging and agenda kind of stuff. I just want good solid story telling. so far it's okay. But I'd be lying if I said I'm weary of trust. Trust has been trampled on for so long in my entertainment. So I'm willing to give it the benifit of the doubt for now. I read the first couple issues as well. Again I just feel the art is super messy and inconsistant when it comes to the robots. sadly the humans are drawn pretty messy as well almost like something you'd see in the sunday paper comic strips. I hope as it continues the art style improves. It seems to me all people care about art wise is the tons of variant covers when to me the most important art is the art inside the books.
The art style does not need to improve, you just dont like it
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Please please please read Murder Falcon TJ same writer/artists