True Stories from a Soviet Spy | Jack Barsky | EP 412
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- Dr. Jordan B. Peterson speaks with ex-KGB spy, author, and podcaster, Jack Barsky. They discuss Jack's upbringing under the communist utopian dream, following the motivating sentiment of “freedom for the oppressed,” how he embedded himself in American society, what brought him into contact with the FBI, and how he was able to walk away.
Jack Barsky (born Albrecht Dittrich, Jack being at first an American alias) is a German-American author, IT specialist and former sleeper agent of the KGB. He spied on the United States from 1978 to 1988, and was exposed after the Cold War. Barsky then became a resource for U.S. counterintelligence agencies, which secured his citizenship. His autobiography, “Deep Undercover,” was published in 2017.
This episode was recorded December 9th, 2023
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(0:00) Tour dates 2024
(0:40) Coming up
(1:15) Intro
(2:49) Raised on the communist dream
(6:10) When we started hating
(11:39) Intellectual pride and utopian presumption
(13:40) Early interest as a student
(17:32) A reasonable combination
(22:29) An easy choice
(26:16) Joining the Communist party
(29:33) From Communist to KGB
(34:18) 1 in 3 were informants, oblivious to the fragmenting culture
(37:19) “Let’s meet” introductions
(40:33) Mentorship, credibility, and early training
(43:06) The offer
(48:08) West Berlin, necessary skills for impossible circumstances
(54:23) Moscow, dropping the accent
(57:09) Montreal, procuring a real birth certificate
(1:00:13) Sneaking into the United States
(1:03:14) What was the Soviet goal for Barsky’s assignment?
(1:06:24) Why the assignment failed
(1:07:40) Coming to the attention of the FBI
(1:10:05) How a spy resigns, and why
(1:18:35) Becoming a true American
(1:22:45) Regrets and conclusions
(1:27:29) How a communist came to love God
(1:30:20) Love is the strongest emotion
(1:32:30) Why young people are drawn to left wing utopianism
(1:35:08) Applied Spycology
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You know what’s kinda crazy? You have 2 guys who grew up in different worlds that, at a time, would have declared the other an enemy, now 30-40 later discussing the extreme misconceptions of that time. Makes me wonder who we will talk to 30-40 years from now and what we both will say of today.
Calling a Canadian and a Russian enemies is a stretch
Those of us with understanding of things will be discussing the same things we always do. One would be why do people need to state the obvious when it is new found information for them. That would be one thing 😂
When I think of my own gen z kid? I shudder to imagine
Nope
Yes, we never learn.
There is not a single podcast of dr. Jordan that you leave without learning something. A true joy to listen to. Thank you for this privilege.
Still watching Dr Peterson after all these years, still learning. Thank you Sir for still putting these videos free on UA-cam
It's true like you said, I really admire him and listen to a lot of his sharing
I started listening to him when I was 22. I’m about to be 30. I didn’t have much of a father figure and Jordan Peterson quickly became that, on accident. 8 years later, this man has formed who I am today. “Chest out, shoulders back, and clean your room, son!”
8:55 - 11:26 Him talking about his condescending attitude and how the socialist elite justified its position and put itself above the ordinary people by appealing to the intellectual utopian presumption and the inadequacy of the people who do not recognize it and therefore must be controled by them is so chilling, because many of my left leaning professors and fellow students openly display the exact same patterns and mechanisms...
Having lived the first 10 years of my life in the socialist Poland and learning a lot about the communism from my father, I feel it's exactly the same type of anti-human utopia. It's just a new strain of virus, the language has been converted abd updated, but it's the same shit. Many people in Poland see the woke ideology for what it is specifically because we've gone through Soviet-imposed communist rule over Poland.
That's exactly what I was thinking . .that type of thinking is like a cancer and is becoming very widespread in United states
While what you said is true it's important to understand that the same behavioural patterns are expressed by all ruling parties. The right to rule is something every ruler or aspiring ruler concerns themselves with, be it internally ("this is why I should rule") or externally ("this is why you should accept my rule"). These justifications come in many forms, such as, but not limited to: intellectual, moral, blood line or lineage based, religious, merit based, competence based or through raw power.
What do you think we as individuals, a society and as a species should do with this information?
@@L.K.48We should be humble.
@@L.K.48 You make an important point. I would describe my own political conviction as somewhere between limited government conservatism and advocating for a completely stateless common law society (so basically conservatively motivated anarcho-capitalism). So (also being a German) I absolutely agree with you that this thinking can come from the right as well as the left, and that all power and intentions of politicians should be carefully scrutinized and questioned. But looking at my personal experience and at our current governments and media, I think the current strain of this mind-virus is most prevalent on the technocratic-corporatist-postmodernist-neofeudalist -what-ever-you-want-to-call-it-left, while the "right" seems to be mainly libertarian, not denying that there are problematic fringes as well. Generally, we should not run after ideologues and assume control over others but take care of our own lives and the people around us. (Also in Germany you of course have biographies where opportunist, psychopathic individuals or family dynasties have gone from right to left to globalist totalitarianism, always being on the side of power)
Mr. Barsky, your voice is badly needed now. For such a time as this!!
This guy is a plant. If u want a genuine Soviet spy look up Yuri Bezmenov. He practically predicted the last 40 years of western society.
This was an incredibly interesting interview. And the fact that it ends in Jack Barsky sharing his life story that starts with atheism/collectivism in the Soviet Union and ends in Texas as a Christian and teacher and lecturer is inspiring. He has an important message to share with thousands of misguided young people. ❤✝️
Great interview Dr. Peterson!!
It's true like you said, I really admire him and listen to a lot of his sharing
omg its jackscepticeye
I'm misguided young people
He didn't have a choice though. His former motherland was destroyed, he was living in the US for many years without citizenship, risking all he had, of course he would do anything to conform
The long form convo on the DW had me crying. It was just so beautiful to hear his story to God. The other hour of this interview being almost fully on his Christian journey. So beautiful!
Jordan, please bring on T Sowell or one of his associates to discuss his outstanding “a conflict of visions.” The book is essential reading for those who wish to better understand the “vision” that sustains the utopian dream in the face of repeated, catastrophic failures.
100% agree; Sowell is 93 years old and not getting any younger. Jordan, respectfully, GET ON THAT, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
Oooo my goodness. I love to listen to Thomas Sowell... in my humble opinion Thomas Sowell is an American treasure and hero. ❤❤❤❤❤❤ Unfortunately he does not get the recognition that he really deserves.
The Vision of the Anointed is also worth a read...brilliant!
Thank you JP for bringing out this wonderful interview with Jack Barsky. 🙏
Having been born in USSR and growing up in Ukraine until I was 12yrs old, I'd say that this guy is 100% correct.
Tell the liberals and democrats please. Maybe they will listen to someone with experience.
@@paperplane5868Cuban here, they don’t
I am from Croatia, but was born when we were part of "socialistic komunistic" state of yugoslavia, until we split through the war for our independence and i could understand this man much better than dr Peterson.
I never realized until now how huge difference is only for understand that two ways of life between some democrat country from some socialst or komunist country or state.
Nowadays lefty ppl doesnt even clue what life without basic human democrats rights looks like.
Try to imagine that you could finished in prison for a years just beacause you said something against state or leader, komunist party, etc, etc.
I am also aware bed things on the west but you cant never compare all this shit when you havent even freedom of speach.
Its easy bulshiting about this and that when you sure that nobody would take you away for something what did you just say.
For all those leftys or "liberals" on the west i can say go on some of those totalitarian states and then start talking about human rights.
Welcome, Friends.
❤ Thank you for being here and piping up.
Your input could be invaluable.
Do any of you b/log or v/log, or publish?
Would you be interested in sharing your experience with westerners willing to learn from it, if you haven't already, besides comment sections?
So many would be grateful... I mean like for generations... Maybe.
I'm interested in the links between proxy wars and genocides or destruction as a price to bear for national debt repayment programs.
But mostly on the human cost of communism or authoritarian societies and any relation or links with western korporatism ;o)
@@sergiodiaz2725what could change or would change if we did? What would you expect or hope for?
What a mesmerisingly interesting interview. A man who became a KGB illegal, growing up in The GDR, recruited, living in Canada and then the USA and becoming to faith through the writings of CS Lewis and through love and a child. Many thanks JBP.
I never found CSL particularly persuasive. But maybe it works for people who were indoctrinated into communist atheism. I'm no atheists but some Christian claims just make no sense to me.
he did an interview with Lex Friedman which was more on the autobiographic side, very interesting too
@@aberosmuchos7062 good to know. I will check out the Lex Friedman podcast with Jack also
I love the community/comments sections of those who enjoy Dr Peterson. What a lovely bunch.
Peace and good fortune to you all in 2024!
Who cares
@larrysmith2123 Oh Larry 😢
I’m downloading this conversation to share with my kids when they are older. Thank you.
. Such a great idea. Respect!
I hope your comment would notice by many parents. ✌️
“If they told you the moon was made of cheese you’d believe it”
My friend grew up under Mao. She believed the sun only shone in China. She was shocked when she travelled to Italy to work at the PRC embassy.
A bit like how Americans believe universal health care doesn't work and then are shocked when they go to literally any other country in the world.
"She believed the sun only shines in China"
We've known the Earth is round since like the 5th century, as if Mao told the people that the sun only shines in China.
Your friend probably meant the sun only shines in China as a metaphore. But instead you've twisted that to mean: "CHINESE COMMUNISTS THINK THE SUN ONLY SHINES THERE"
Aren't most flat earthers from the USA?
When did that happen? Most Chinese I know are very ambivalent about the government. They hate the corruption and injustice ( meaning selective enforcement of the laws) but also feel some patriotic duty to it because China was a chaotic mess before plus they are not aware of certain historical facts
Yeah the propaganda machine ‘ll do that to you unfortunately. People think they are immune to it, and then turn around and buy it hook line and sinker.
Jack Barsky played it well for himself. He profited from the Communist and the West. I remember the wall and the discussions at home. I grew up in the west but my father is from Berlin. Thus my family was very political. I also remember my father telling me stuff. A lot of people knew what was going on but they were scared. My father went out with a family member when we were visiting a small town in east Germany and told us they will go for a walk. They exchanged information but knew that was the only way because houses were bugged.. It can happen to any country at any point in time that we as humans go back to such a system. Interesting conversation. Thanks to Dr. Jordan Peterson and Jack Barsky.
Wir sind wieder auf dem besten Weg dorthin zurück (und u.U. sogar noch darüber hinaus)...
@@elduderino1635 first, the farmers aka kulaks.. 1984, we have arrived.
Today we have to pay for our own "bugs" and install them ourselves. "Siri, is it going to rain today?"
One of the most interesting guests you've had! What a story! It's so appealing to hear about what a profound transformation of ones self.
I friendly recommend you, (in case you didn't yet),to listen this man, Jack Barsky, at Lex Fridman podcast.✔️.
Thank you friend! @@uzeriks1121
I'm grateful Dr. Peterson finds people with useful, interesting stories.
The most intriguing interview and conversation I've ever listened to by anyone. And I'm 71 yo. Heading over to the daily wire to listen to the rest. Thank you Dr. Petersen and Mr. Barsky.
I agree, I'm his age, 73.
Good to see you Dr Peterson. I was reading “Man’s search for meaning” and it reminds me of you. Bless you and all you care about. Thank you for inviting us into your vision of the futute
I can't seem to find the unabridged version of mans search for meaning, do you know of any where I can find it?
@@ikekiefer4556 not sure where you can get an unedited version but it was known as other things before. “A psychologist experiences in the concentration camp” and “say yes to life in spite of everything” you could try looking under those names but they may not be translated to English
@@ikekiefer4556 seems like you can find the second book I mentioned online. That one is the original version and a recap from Viktor Frankl in the 60’s
Yes. Me too. You can tell he was deeply influenced by Frankl
@@KimuratrappedK very very well put. It is the obligation of all of us to take what we’re dealt and make the best of it
I'm humbled by Jack's intellect and faith. Thank you for this interview.
Fabulous interview. his story is amazing. the part of his story about his child sparking a deep unconditional love really hit me. such a brilliant guy in a high stakes situation.
I've seen a couple other interviews a while back with Mr Barsky but this one is by far my favorite. You can tell how much he respects you, Jordan. He was measurably more candid with your interview. And I like him even more now. Thank you for another wonderful interview! And now I must go check out his site!! ❤
Go see JP live. Saw him last year in PHX. Been watching him since his lectures first showed up so I was worried about not hearing anything fresh. I was BLOWN AWAY. Go see him.
You are so valuable to everyone on this planet, we who want the truth.
Dr. Jordan Peterson, I come from East Germany, where I escaped. Your interview with Mr Barsky made me realize that only certain people have accepted becoming a spy. Mr. Barsky did this to further his career, thereby selling out any moral values. Claiming that he was not aware of what was happening around him and, at the same time, talking about his highly developed intelligence is contradictory. Why did he say yes? and I said no, despite what they offered me. The differences are moral standards. I was willing to take the risk by saying no.
Excellent interview with an incredibly interesting and vastly experienced guest. Once again, thank you Dr. Peterson.
Something still quite boyish about him though, like he never really understood the full import of what he was involved in, despite his intelligence. But that I'm sure is common amongst most of these types of people, they get caught up in something they don't fully understand and just go along with its own internal logic.
It's true like you said, I really admire him and listen to a lot of his sharing
What an interesting guy, and an interesting story. Good luck to him and his 13 year old daughter.
I believe him when he says if he talks to you he can see right through you.
Thanks JBP.
I could listen to this guy share his stories for hours.
I've been looking forward to this interview. My gratitude for your work is matched only by my admiration, Dr. Peterson.
You have helped me and my wife and you have helped me personally. I Appreciate you
We're facing a transition to the division of humanity between those who're compliant to the new digital single government rule, and those who refuse to acquiesce
"When the arrogant adventurer met the human race". What a profound realisation. The power of unconditional love. You can't get anything back but a smile. Love conquers all...
Narnia conquered his cold KGB soul. A very revealing and interesting conversation, thank you Dr Peterson.
He wrote way more than that ;)
He's likely referring to "Mere Christianity" (by which he meant Anglicanism)
A Communist Paradise on Earth can only exist if there are no Humans.
Well, agree 👊👊
Ants and bees do communism quite well.
I agree.
More like any type of paradise
Well, idk when was the the last time you've read ANY comments.
Ever.
But it's my contention that most"humans"are barely literate talking monkeys at best...
And corporate psychopaths rest of the time.
So what exactly do you mean by "human"?!
Jack is a wonderful human. So happy to see him here with Jordan. ❤
So good to see Jordan leaning back and letting this man speak without interruption. Exceptional interview.
Thank you for bringing this to us. It was great, and more than just interesting, but profound in many ways. I remember hearing Jack on a previous long format interview with Lex Fridman a couple of years ago and I was, of course, impressed. Hearing him today tell the same story added depth and context that, as engaging as Lex is (and there is no mistake Lex is an utterly remarkable and capable interviewer) this amplified the significance of Mr Barsky's experience and insights to a degree that is hard to evaluate because it has yet to fully integrate but I feel certain it will in my life. Thanks again, Dr Peterson. What you are doing is helping to bring about a transformation and Mr Barsky is exemplary of that much needed and appreciated change. Cheers.
This therapy-interview format is just fantastically compelling
“Elites are likely to arise, regardless”. Yes, that’s the problem with Socialism. Human nature always wins out.
This is also why the elites need to be moral, caring, humble people.
Ahhh…..but this time will be different as the old saying goes:
Those “old” communists weren’t as good as us new ones. 😂
@@rdhunkins But human nature is that those that would be elites will not, by nature, exhibit those traits. It’s a conundrum.
@@ThisIsToolman Exactly. As Douglas Adams put it: "It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."
I’m glad Jordan brought him. This guys should be heard by wide American public!!!
What a touching and caring finish to this interview. When a man who has every opportunity to develop into a mischievous, manipulative, self-interested, crafty spy and supporter of a tyrannical regime; can find love, gratitude, truth and beauty in his lifetime, you know you are talking to a great human being. What a treasure Jack Barsky is.
Good to learn more about this topic. I'm cuban and this kind of things are fresh new for me since here cubans always talk nice things about the URSS. A lot of young cubans have open their eyes thanks to the internet and self education with books and people in the social network, some of them are cubans abroad givin their opinion about their lives in capitalism and some others are like sir Jordan B Peterson. 👏🏼
Not even facts(i.e history) or numbers(economics, statistics, etc.) are nice in Communism sadly.
Edit: There's a book about this same topic that I read, very good, short and easy reading, highly recommended. The name is: "Animal Farm" in english I believe, I read it as "Rebelion en la granja" in spanish.
Edit 2: 1:34:13 Fantastic message! :3 I hope many young people listen to it. 🙏🏼
I read it written by George owel while in university
Indeed great book
English is my third language
We had to read many times before we got the meaning
Great days they were
What it points to is that people must be whole and total people not to slip into dystopia. For example, it is good and important to be intelligent. In fact, intelligence is very, very important indeed because a person can, by intelligence alone, know what system will being about dystopia and which wont.
Even as you read Marx and as he talks about the problems of 'superstructure' (elites who are protected and are behaving in an unfair or devious manner), and many other clever and even partially accurate concepts, a person who is very smart can say 'yes, indeed, some of the Kulaks (Russian landlords) might be part of 'a superstructure' but does that mean that ALL Kulaks treat us badly? 'Is it not only a handful of key intellectuals who work against the masses at the superstructure level and that small circle organises the others?' 'Does not ' the superstructure' actually consist of far fewer people that the millions we are killing?
Even today, woke people commit the error of generalising and placing all or many people under labels which are actually just suited to the few.
Yes! Intelligence alone can see all the warning signs of a dystopia so intelligence will always be important and highly prized not to mention that intelligence is that which allows us to live in increasingly advanced ways.
If I am to say one thing about Marxism in the positive, however, it would be this; Many Marxist countries completely flushed out (killed) the elite level of their society even if Marxism was, itself an elitist doctrine (as well as killing anyone vaguely above the level of peasant and many of my ancestors died this way). The problem with the Western, non former Soviet countries, is that we have this culture of saying 'you are a tin foil hatter if you believe that there is a swamp which needs flushing'. In their credit, the Soviets knew that a flushing of a 'deep state' was necessary, but other than that, they can hardly be praised for the barely human and unintelligible way in which they went about so many other things.
To return to the crux of the thread, several other human qualities also are key and help us to avoid dystopia.
A person must also have imagination or they will not see why people desire to dream and create without ridiculous levels of restriction from the government.
A person can have 'natural' intelligence' so that they love the earth, but they must also have 'interpersonal intelligence' 'so that they realise that the earth does not weep every time humans exercise their incredible projects and realise their aspirations on this planet.
Kinesthetic intelligence is important so that you don't fall into weakness and low motivation and start to doubt the very gender which you embody, but you must also know your limits and know that even the strongest come back from warfare changed and none can pit themselves single handedly against metal and gunpowder.
Existential intelligence, perhaps the most misundersood of all, reveals that much of this reality has a hidden and mysterious component and, indeed, those who seek to manipulate humans, literally use the areas of consciousness which not so many are trained to see and be aware of, to achieve their end.
At the 'existential level' you can know about the 'old gods' who are rarely far from the collective psyche but who we barely recognise and remember, in modern times. Those whose teachings are found in Celtic, Scandinavian, Greek, Chinese, African, Indian, American Indian literature etc etc. Advanced, wise presences who we know by myth but we're certainly less mythological than we think. The giants of hyperborea, who live inside the earth, where we also started our journey. Those who we were kindred with and who walked among us before we were tricked into worshipping consciousness defeating Abrahamic snake gods. They will walk among us again once we become whole and total once more.
All these things and all of these 'intelligences' are what tells us that both communism and extreme versions of neo liberalism don't work.
I love how you talk about the 'facts' under Communism being 'sad' and your evidence for those facts is 'Animal Farm' which is a work of fiction about anamorphic animals written by a man that was openly anti-semetic, anti-lgbt and racist that wrote about the threat of 'big brother' while simultaneously providing names of Communists he knew to the British secret police.
Orwell is not the greatest source on Communism and that learning history from a book that literally describes itself as 'a 'fairy story' is not a replacement for an actual historical book.
If you have critisms of The Soviet Union and Communism and cite a fictional book I'm not going to take you seriously.
@alejandroperez-in8on so much evil in our home land
Animal Farm translates "Rebellion in the Barn"!?! Amazing! I like that title much better.
The words of contempt and disdain for collectivism at the end ... Magnificent episode !
I, amongst all others consuming your content, Dr JP. Would like to thank you for putting your neck out there, to educate the public. This fire you’ve built is warm. 🔥🙌🙏
Jove you JP, your videos may save the world.
He kept emphasizing his proclivity, as a communist, to think of himself as one of the elites helping the downtrodden. I think that's because he was trying to make clear that the heart of communism is not compassion, but hubris. Or in the case of the woke communists, Pride.
I would say insecure arrogance instead of genuine pride, by which I mean earned self-esteem.
@@YashArya01 It was a reference to Pride Month.
@@RoddyFuhr oh I clearly wasn't paying attention
Just started the biblical series, you’re a great man Dr I really hope you know that.
take notes, it's a crazy train that course. Then watch exodus, it's unbelievable!
You and Jack Barsky made the support for communism understandable. So good for me to finally "get it"!!!...at 85 years old. Thank you both.
I listened to the entire interview with great curiosity.
I grew up in a communist country, a neighbour of East Germany, but I was never as brainwashed as the youth in the GDR. There was communist propaganda at school and on television, but at home my parents and grandparents said something else. What was said at home, I couldn't say outside the house. I didn't trust communists. I tolerated them because I had to somehow live in that system. In 1987, I was recruited to work in the secret service and was offered a salary three times as much as I earned with a master's degree. Plus additional benefits. My inner voice told me that I couldn't go down this path. This inner conviction was so strong that I was ready to die, but not to agree to work in the secret services. I remember back then there was a belief that if you got involved with the secret services, you would never be able to stop working for them. Only death can free you from them.
Just amazing. Loved this interview so incredibly inspiring. Thank you Dr. Peterson.
Thanks for teaching a life-lesson in the value of humility and gratitude.
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Amazing interview!
One of the best guests you've had.
Phenomenal interviews keep coming thick and fast. It's fantastic so many interesting people want to talk with you. Thank you for sharing it all. Keep it up
❤ I pray I get to meet you Dr. Peterson! You are an inspiration!🎉
When I was in tech school in former soviet union, I had three pier friends there, that as I think were also kgb, they both died in their 50th, for no apparent reason, they had one thing in common - popular among us studens, bright, well developed, just like Mr.students, one of them , I know for sure, become a kgb agent shortly after graduation, we were good friends, and he told me that himself. When he died, his mom was still alive, and she told us he died of a heart attack. Then I learned the two others also died and both of a heart attack. I am 63 now, naturalized citizen of the USA, and I have so much feelings in common with Mr. Barsky's final segment of the earth shaking interview with Mr. Peterson
I read Barsky last year and found it to be a page-turner. This is one of the best interviews I've had the pleasure of listening to. Thank you.
I certainly wish stories like his could be made into movies. Instead of the worthless rubbish Hollywood passes off on us.
You always have the most most interesting guests, Dr Peterson! You're a gift to the 21st century
That interview took a beautifully redemptive turn that surprised and delighted me. How beautiful to end on the supremacy of love. I loved this.
Such a great dialogue. Thank you Mr Barsky and Dr Peterson for sharing this wonderful discourse. Peace.
This is a great interview. Thank you.
In my reading/study of history and over the course of my life, I have never got the impression that anyone in power wanted to make the world a better place for human beings.
Don't believe everything you READ. 📖
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Not even the Founders of the US?
This is one of the best sessions Jordan has done, he’s actually letting this Man speak at length instead of building great and long winded dissections of every phrase uttered by the him in response to his long winded questions. Welcome to Texas Jack!
❤ bring us more. Thanks Jack
Sir you have the best guests. 🇨🇦 men are awesome.
18 yrs old in 1977 in Sacramento. Remember Soviet Life magazine? I was sold. Work in Russia. Learn Russian. Not for pay but for life! Food, brotherhood, community. Beautiful landscape. Top notch universities. That was the pitch.
How'd that work out for you, Bunkie?😊
Thank you both for this fascinating, insightful conversation. Blessings to you both.
Thank you for all the interviews ! This one was especially interesting!
Great content ❤
An amazing interview with a rather impressive personality. I believe that the young people today have no vision of their futures. We as parents and grandparents destroyed their ability to visualize what is possible for them, given technology the pace at which technology is progressing. The complexity of life increased not because I am allowed to hate somebody who has more than I have, but because our parents failed to prepare us for our futures and we must add government and our education system. Thanks for this interview.
These videos certainly make paying for Daily Wire more enticing. The one with the Scientologist was so interesting, you guys do a good job interviewing.
What a wonderful interview. It is so great and educational hearing such a different point of view.
Always look forward to your lectures, and when you come to California to speak. God bless.
A little over an hour in and wanted to hear his take on Yuri Bezmenov. This guy is interesting. Can't believe we were enemies with Russia for so long. I've literally never met a Russian I didn't like. Have a few Russian friends and one Ukrainian friend. Great people. Socialism is evil.
You are enemies of the Russians because your gov told you you must be, not because you are or must be. Understand why, and you will be a much wiser person.
Socialism, Marxism is pure evil wicked crooked godless agenda of satan.
Another splendid interview. Jack Barsky has had quite the experience and his story is still unfolding.
This is one of those conversations that would benefit greatly from a face to face conversation. Instead of a Skype call.
Fascinating.. interesting journey that still continues and the amazing power of love
Great interview!
I mean no disrespect when I say this but with his ability to "read people in an instant", his history, and the work he's doing now, my inquiring mind immediately jumped to "what if he's a recruiter now?"
I hope he's truly living out his retirement years and just enjoying his daughter/family time and continues to grow in his faith in God.
Did you watch till the end? He is a recruiter for Jesus now
A recruiter for soviet union that ended in 1991? Interesting. Lol
Fantastic interview! I had no idea that I would burst into some much needed tears. A deep Thank You to your guest.
This was an incredibly intriguing discussion.
Mr. Peterson said: the bible laid out two conceptions of how to succeed around 19:20 (Cain & Abel).
Cain: He set his aim once, a goal. But at every step along the way, he lacked the highest aim. He tried to withhold his resources by doing the least he could get away with. In this conception of how to act, the actor never gives 100% effort, instead keeping some resources in reserve. In reserve for what? For some future catastrophe.
Abel: Saw the problem right in front of him, and with the highest aim, set out to solve that problem, not withholding his resources. The actor here commits himself to doing it the right way, not thinking of what he stands to lose or gain. Maybe he does it because excellence is what is required of us.
These are the two strategies people come up with, and there is a clear winner. To be like Abel, Solve the problem that's right in front of you, and do it RIGHT. The blessings will sort themselves.
The utter brilliance is Mr. Peterson seeing this pattern repeated in Communism vs Capitalism. Archetypes play themselves out right in front of us. What a way to see the world.
I love the way Dr P drops in some seemingly random Biblical accounts to see a modern issue in a historical context, in terms of the human condition etc.
I will consider it a remake of an interview with former KGB Agent, Yuri Bezmenov. It was brilliant, highly recommend to everyone interested in the topic. Thank you, Dr. Peterson.
Superb, thanks to both Dr Peterson and Albrecht Dittrich a.k.a Jack Barsky for this fascinating interview. There is something very touching about Jack's decision to leave his life as a KGB agent behind because of the love for his daughter. I'm sure he can have a positive effect on the people he reaches through his lectures, books and online material. A really enjoyable interview and it was also nice to see how Jack is rather in awe of Dr Peterson too.
Really awesome podcast
Let's go JP, i love Jordan Peterson.
Wow! The most fascinating interview I’ve ever listened to
One of my favorites so far. Wonderful man for sure.
I believe that sometimes our Angel speaks to us and if we are attuned enough, then we must listen as our being compels us.
Cheers from Amsterdam !! 🇳🇱✊🍀🥂
Outstanding interview! Now I have to get Barsky's book and read it.
This reminds me a lot of how Thomas Sowell talks about “the anointed.” Great interview.
Brilliant interview! Outstanding perspective from a former communist agent. Thank you
As a German, I have to admit that he doesn't sound like Schwarzenegger ......except for that "WOOW" 😂
One of the most interesting speakers you have spoken too..& one I wish you could speak to again. A VERY interesting and deep person.
I don't remember now where or when I read about this gentleman years ago. I immigrated to US in 1976 even before him. Fascinating story
I've met people who are good all the way around them. But I understand how Jack could feel that way, given what he's seen in the world.
You merely do not see all the way around them. No one is without sin.
True. But good doesn't mean "without sin". Sin means Not Living Up To Your Potential, anyway...@@pookz3067
and if the dollar collapses, how do you think people will act? Im sorry, Jack is correct. it only appears we are good, we just lie to ourselves and each other. to be truely good is to be good 24/7 in our actions and our thoughts, but we can't do it. we might want to do it, but that isn't enough.
@@justinm4497 Even in the darkest situations there were righteous people trying to restore sanity. If this is how you think, you should stay home and stay out of their way when it comes to that.
@@pookz3067 It's not about being "without sin." It's about being inherently compassionate towards individuals. Lots of people are. I hope you find that out someday.
Jordan you’re a legend
I can totally hear his German accent. I worked with a German lady here in US who was here for +30 years and she sounded IDENTICAL to Mr Jack. It’s actually been on my mind since I started listening 58:55
Thank you so much for sharing this , this conversation touch deep , im glad to see so many people no matter where they are from , what they done , come to find the true , the love of our father , God bless us all , God have mercy of us all , God love us all .