@@Chuckystaright like fern is no doubt impressive but fern didnt show up frieren not even close she needed frieren doing the front lining and distracting and she was just the sniper.
The last spell that Clone Frieren used is so interesting in terms of world building. It seems to be Frierens' Ace in the Hole seeing as the last time she used it was presumably against the Demon King. And more than that is the fact that Fern, who in her own right is a highly skilled mage, can't even understand it. The Major point of that scene (And, what this particular version of the subtitles fails to express), is that Fern CANNOT comprehend this attack. She obviously can tell she is under attack, but she cannot sense any mana, nor can she recognize this attack as a spell. Really consider what that means. This isn't just a spell Fern doesn't know or a principle she doesn't understand. This spell is either so fundamentally different and/or so absurdly advanced, that Ferns own body, her very SENSES, and all the knowledge and experience she has as a mage, cannot even begin to comprehend what Frieren is doing in this moment. This spell is either an entirely different form of magic, like how the Divine Magic of priests is different from Humanities Magic that Mages use (Maybe Elven Magic???). Or it functions at such an advanced scale that a normal human mage doesn't have enough perspective to see it (Kinda like how people are too small to see the curvature of the Earth). All this combined leads to Ferns' realization of the "True Heights of Magic". Not the flashy and powerful spells she was using, but a simple pushing spell that is so beyond her comprehension she cannot recognize it as more than that,
My theory as of now (anime only) is that it might be the idea of making ideas into reality made into its most ideal form, no mana manipulation or spell necessary. Just thinking you want to push someone away (maybe out of fear for the clone's case) and just making it just happen. Given the focus of this imagination magic system, I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the ideal of that.
@@humourlessjester3584I think you are in the money (anime only too) seeing as the show us übel in this episode aswell doing something that even a first grade mage can't make sense of.
@humourlessjester3584 my take on it is that whatever spell Frieren casts isn't manifesting her will into reality but is actually changing reality. Like instead of levitating an object (imagining it defying gravity) she instead is changing gravity itself so that now it is way stronger and the wall is "down". Fern can't detect any mana or recognize it as an attack because Frieren isn't putting any mana into Fern and technically isn't attacking her. Fern was in a pocket of space Frieren created, where reality works differently.
While some are theorizing that the height of magic is a form of reality warping. I personally think that its more likely some form of absolute manipulation mana. Like imagine something like Magneto's powers but this time for mana.
@@jeological5394 it's a fair theory, but it's difficult because Fern says she can't detect any mana-and we know even Frieren can't hide her mana and cast at the same time (when she was capturing the Stille)
It's not like it's cutting skin. It's a scissor cutting something inadamant...it sounds very pleasant as you accomplish a straight cut in a hobby....Wait, does that sound weird anyway? 😲 Now just hear me out...what if Frieren actually likes the sound of a chomping Mimic the same way and can't resist it?
Ubel is a prodigy. Fern studies and has an amazing teacher with Frieren so her magic is powerful. Ubel goes off imagination, intuition, and empathy. The magic is explained Ubel very unique and strong. Sense is right about how Ubel doesn't think like person. Because she is able to ignore logic to imagine and visualize something she knows for a fact to be impossible.
Not neccessarily, Ubel has only shown two spells (the cutting spell and the binding spell) as she can only learn spells through feeling (she can learn another person’s spell if she empathises with them) and that’s the main reason she can do what she does. She could never visualise cutting through magically reinforced cloth or hair if she 1. understood how the defensive magic worked or could even see it and 2. if she wasn’t delusional and her mind worked properly
From Ubel's "Magic is about visualization." to Fern's "This is the the height of magic." witnessing clone Frieren do magic by visualization and knocked her off the wall without staff/hands. Peak episode.
Methode is a beast! She fought Clone Fern for at least a solid while and might have even killed her. Plus she has great senses, can Heal, and has Ara Ara energy. Sein truly missed out
Methode's counter spell is so cool too. She used it against the Gargoyles and the clone used it against Laufen's wiggly spear. On top of that she has binding magic and at least dabbled in hypnosis. She wasn't kidding when she said she has many talents.
She is literally the effect mage build. All others have spells they refined to be powerful and have a strong element they perform with vast destructiv power or have a powerful technique to bind or capture. Methode has effects in a vast repertoire to counter almost anything. She is without a doubt one of the strongest in the pack. I would say: 1. Frieren 2. Methode 3. Denken 4. Wirbel 5. Übel 6. Fern
That area where they fought was wrecked. I'm sad we didn't get to see that fight. I think Clone Fern was pushing Methode hard. She looks like she collapses in relic that the clone dispersed.
Gotta love Ubel, using her backstory to reinforce how strongly magic is based on imagery and imagination is great. Her target of focus when cutting Berg or Sense's clone down was not on the Defensive magic, but more so on the objects that are universally known to be cuttable. Even her opponents can't unimagine the concept of clothes or hair being cut, then there is no way for them to defend against it.
Another amazing thing this anime does is not leaving out side characters into being side characters, it feels like everything has a soul and is a person and you learn about them really good.
It's not just imagining it's visualization of that concept, she's instinctual her magic works through her feelings, this also has the added benefit allowing Ubel to learn magic quicker than usual as most people learn spells through analysis and understanding the spell
It's said that, compared to human magic, demon magic is "closer to fairy tale magic". Humans approach magic as a science, whereas demons have an instinctual grasp. It's implied in this episode that Ubel's mindset is more like a demon's than a human's. I think that's what unsettled Sense.
People commenting are to hung up because of the frequent mentioning of "visualization". It is not how it works directly for Übel. Her way to visualize is the feeling she gets out of it. She reproduces how it feels to cut things and therefore can cut everything. She is wired differently.
This ep is filled with details too 1. The lightings and the camera angles in the Sense vs Ubel scene slowly showed us the shift of superiority between the two mages. Ubel in the shadow -> into the light; Sense brighten -> overcast. Upper/lower camera angle shifts. 2. Frieren's golem magic. That magic was showcased early in the series in the form of a dancing golem. It's telling us again that a folk magic (as oppose to the academic magic) could be extremely powerful in the right hands. 3. The stare "magic". the magic circle is a pentagonal star instead of the usual hexagonal star (eg. Zoltrak) plus Frieren's clone casts that with no arms. That's why Fern doesn't recognize that as a spell. It may not actually be a magic spell. This "magic" also could be the one Frieren casted to kill the demon general that invaded her village. 4. There were already 2 treasure chest mimics destroyed in the treasure room scene.
Good observation! Also for point 3 I rechecked eps 10 and the remains of the attack against Basalt does look like its made from similar 'force push' spell
19:58 you don't need a staff to cast or direct spells, we saw in episode 10 how flamme was able to evaporate three general demons instantly with her bare hands.
I'm guessing the staff gives them a stat boost to casting. Maybe it makes mana consumption lower, enhances their accuracy or enhances their magic effects. And I would guess it also just works as a funnel/focus so many probably can't even do magic without it. I think we can maybe assume that Fern also needs her staff to cast since she had to get it back before fighting Lügner. I highly doubt she would be unable to fire a Zoltraak without a staff at all but we at least haven't see her do it yet.
I think you don't need a staff when you are using elemental magic just like Richter is straight up earthbending or when Frieren used wind blades to cut off Draht's arms.
@@alexiskingsleigh (spoilers so stop reading right now if you don't read the manga and don't want to get spoiled) Serie literally fights with no staff at all. She uses advanced magical spells without any staff. she doesn't even have a staff as far as we know
@@boboyo3140 😱🤯 ooooh. Based on what you said we could probably infer that the complexity of magic/level of visualization is also a factor in spell casting. Serie can free form complex spells while we also have Kanne who not only needs a staff but also a source of water.
i think what she meant by being forced to use since last 80 yrs is that crazy magic her clone used on fern .The fact that fern couldnt even recognise it as magic is crazy.
i think it has more to do with the clones dissapearing maybe, you don't see any replica of the people who are out of the dungeon, so it's better to leave them half dead.
@@gino85455 It has the ability to make clones for everyone who enters the dungeon since the beginning, as mentioned before. Then later, another Ubel clone showed up because more were being made, so there's no reason to leave them half dead for that.
Yeah, people somehow miss the significance of clone Sense always missing the heart versus clone Frieren going for the kill shot. The clones think the same way that their originals do, so this means that Sense really is a pacifist like she said (or, at least, as much of a pacifist as one can be in this world), while Frieren isn't.
for some reason i grabbed this little moment. when Lawine was running towards her clone in slomotion, you can see her legs up close. and the laces on her boots were moving. FREAKING LACES! the level of detail in this show is astounding 13:20 also notice that this isn't even the first mimic, it's at least third one XD you can see two mimic bodies in the frame
11:28 Frieren slightly moved her wand to draw the replica’s attention to it, and that created an opening for Fern. The level of detail in this series is out of this world 🤯
Sense is this deadly, yes. But you forget that she's a pacificist. She probably never goes for the kill as a mage. So her replica is most probably wired to incapacitate instead of killing instantly.
I did in fact look this up, but being stabbed to through the heart, especially with something as thin as Sense' Hair Needles isn't instant death, you can live for a few hours apparently... In fact, apparently many fighting techniques don't even consider it a valid location to attack since it's fairly hard to reach. This obviously doesn't apply to mages, but it is a fun fact. Finally, I don't think the Clones would want to kill their target when they could just force them to retreat and that would solve the Spiegel's Biggest Issue, the fact that its final boss is in a 2 v 1, allowing the Clones to save Mana and rush there rather than engage in a potentially lengthy mage battle.
I believe that the reason the Sense's clone didn't aim for the heart is because she is a pacifist so the clone essentially mimicked the avoidence to kill
I think the reason that Sense's replica doesn't kill people is because she's a pacifist, as she says herself. She likely has this habit of not killing people so deeply engraved into her being, that even her replica is only able to incapacitate her opponents without killing them outright.
There is also the potential that the clones try to avoid instantly killing their opponents so more clones can be made. We don't know what happens to a clone if the real one dies, but it's unlikely the Spiegel can make a new copy when the original is dead.
@@sirmcdust5572 Methode mentioned that the Fern clone is likely to immediately kill whoever it sees (of course we don't see that) and the Spiegel also created a second Lawine clone after she was likely already outside, so it might be able to save the originals "data" at least for a short while. Of course, we as the viewers neither have all the information, nor the ability to study the Spiegel in universe, so theorizing is all that's left. I personally will stick with the pacifist Sense theory in this regard.
@@sirmcdust5572 A small addendum to my previous comment: I just checked something in the Manga and during Lawine's explanation of the Spiegel with the flashback where one of her brother's expedition group gets wiped out, there is a panel where you can see the clones standing over the corpses of the group. Since it is only a flashback told by someone who wasn't even there when it happened this might not be entirely accurate, but would give more credit to the theory that the clones can persist after the originals are dead. (I checked the Manga since it was faster, I don't remember the specific scene in the Anime and am to lazy to check right now)
@@ShyGuy261 Yeah that was definitely a thing so an existing clone will persist even if the original is dead. But I'd still argue it's unlikely the Spiegel can make a new clone (in case the existing one is killed) of a dead person. So not killing their opponents would still be an advantage since that person's clone could continue being deployed.
@@ShyGuy261 Oh I forgot Lawine reappeared. Sure she could just have been copied again just before the Golem got her outside but how likely is that really. I liked the idea of the clones keeping them alive for reinforcements but at this point there is barely any proof for that left.
That psychic attack by clone Frieren is probably demon magic, since mages don't recognize curses as magic. Frieren learnt it but since Fern doesn't know it, she doesn't recognize it as a spell.
Ubel's ability to cut through that guy's cloak reminded me of something from Undead Unluck. Her situation with magic is just like Victor's reflexes. Every person has a reflex of self preservation when hitting something so that they don't break their fist. It is only logical. But Victor doesn't have that reflex because after billions of years of living, he has become accustomed to the fact that he'll just regenerate. Similarly, even though Ubel knew that cloak was impenetrable, she managed to visualize being able to cut it. That's why Sense believed she doesn't think like a human. Something as illogical as that is not something a human mind can achieve.
That word Fern say, shes not recognize the attack as a magic spell bring new possibility to the world building. Either its an exclusive to elf by simply never teached outside themself by their tradition. Or its within their blood/lineage, only they can do it. Which make alot of sense why the demon king hunted down every elf. Or maybe its just a really old spell that almost nobody ever see/heard of.
you guys are right, translation got some things wrong ... dont know why chapter is called "Pinnacle of magic" which make more sense, am spanish native and got to see the episode real soon on friday, so i got it in japanese english sub, then spanish sub, then english official sub.... sometimes translation is weird
I like that Ubel's "eyes of a killer" is a thing because it makes a concept of a design who already have killed. Because if you observe closely, Frieren, Denken and even Richter have somewhat similar eye designs. Also I wonder why Ubel's clone specifically casted Sorganeil on Land. It makes me think that it wasn't the Spiegel that revived the clones but Land's clone (by the Spiegel) did it. Land's technique is a mystery but if he can make a bottle illusion, then he maybe could make people too?
I honestly had the same thought first time I saw them revived, but now that I think about it, it's probably really hard to make clones of (effectively) living things, so he can probably only do himself. Otherwise we would probably see like 3 of each of them lol.
@@crackers5422 yeah that's what I thought too. I was just wondering why Ubel clone specifically casted Sorganeil on Land, I mean, Denken and Ubel are there. I thought Ubel would've thought to bind either herself or especially Denken first.
@@-quoreo-7196if u assume the clones learn every time they come back it could be because land beat Ubel the first time Sure ubel ultimately dealt the finishing blow but if not for land she would have already lost to her clone
@@-quoreo-7196 I imagine Ubel clone did have Denken as a priority but in this case he was partially covered by Ubel and Land, so he went to the second best option instead (Ubel also atacked Land first the first time the clone found them, so at least thats consistent). I think they just got lucky Denken wasn´t a valid target.
But it's interesting that anyone that actually simply relies on the hexagon wall defense magic, Ubel's magic is useless against them. She was able to defeat only adversaries that do not use those. Like the two first class mages - cloak and hair just don't work, regardless of how strong they think their magic made them to be. But with Solganiel and cutting magic together (where her adversaries cannot use the hexagon wall) she is quite invincible if she gets the Solganiel out.
The Scary Thing is that the Clone basically knew it "Lost" bc. it wouldnt have a Chance in that State against her Original anymore. So it basically tried to kill Off Fern as fast as possible out of Pure killing Instinct. The Datail of her Eye Tracing shows us that it knew what was coming.
I highly recommend the OP and ED’s for both seasons of Zombie Land Saga. As well as a lot of the songs. Very well produced and make for the anime itself. I also highly recommend checking out the OP for Domestic Girlfriend. So many shows with amazing songs I’d recommend.
My take on the last spell is not about how it works, but what it represents. We see clone Frieren's expression change into a death stare while she did that. Imo Frieren is somewhat vengeful and prideful deep inside. That spell basically makes her focus on the person/entity that did fatal damage to her and single in with the intent to kill, while leaving herself wide open. If we go back to when she met Flamme we can see they both share a pretty deep hatred towards demons. This last resort spell, must've been constructed with demons/demon king in mind. Meaning that in Frieren's mind the one that would deal fatal damage to her is probably going to be the demon king or a high rank demon, so that spell might be a darker spin on magic of some kind in response to her hatred towards demons.
3:30 - Kinda late, but that is probably because Sense is a pacifist and doesn't want to actually kill anybody, and since the clone replicates everything that she does, she fights in the same, non-lethal way: give them enough injuries that they need to leave/are defeated, but not enough to instantly kill them.
The whole situation with Clone Frieren's final spell... What if that was elven magic? The whole series they are always talking about human magic, and 2 of the 3 elves we have met seem to be quite proficient at it's use. But perhaps Fern didn't recognize it because it was not a spell based in human magic at all?
Ubel always struck me as someone who has a connection/outlook on magic more akin to that demons have than humans, actually, her mind might be more similar in general than not.
I always print my document to A4 paper but my mother prefer F4 paper If i run out my A4 paper, i always use F4 paper and cut it scissor to A4 size. That's satisfying to my ear and my finger skin
3:42 "she keeps missing the heart" You have to remember that Sense repeatedly said she's a literal pacifist. Because of this, I don't think the clone intended to kill anyone and always gave them the chance to escape. It's truly the perfect test for her, and I bet she chose it because she knows the clones are based on the mages' memories and abilities.
Fern is really good, but she's still young. She really isn't the strongest among the examines even excluding Frieren. Denken and Methode in particular are definitely stronger, Wirbel too if it's a 1v1.
I think she also suffers the stark syndrome too. Where she really doesnt know how strong she can be because she is always in frieren's shadow. If magic is about visualisation, she has a major handicap as a mage.
It was always the case. Even if the snipe at the end of the last episode would have worked, it wouldn't not have been because Fern beat Frieren, would it. Without Frieren commanding like 99% of Frieren's attention, Fern wouldn't last 10 seconds in a stand up fight against her. @@manhcuong3035
@@manhcuong3035nope. I don't think what serie said is irrelevant. What if she is talking about far far future? Flamme could predict 1000 years ahead. You think serie can't? That yapping will lead to something.
Just so you know méthodes can beat fern fern is strong but there are many mzge that are still stronger then her in the next arc fern was strugling with a adversaire that methode was playing with and was survelling fern figth at the same time to see if she need help méthode is a monster too🙏🏾
I mean we should wouldn't win on own but am still impressed. Frieren said that she didn't this magic to pin fern on the wall since 80 years ago which mean against the demon king
Ubel every episode is more interesting at first we thought she would like a hisoka a crazy phycopthic murder acting as a antagonist for the arc wail she is slightly that its more that her brain just works differently and has a massive imagination and understanding of others and the world alowes her to just do what she wants witch is why she has such a indifference towards murder. Dont know i just like seeing characters surpase expectations
She keeps missing the hearts cus well. The clone is based on a pacifist. I assume every time she had to fight she would go spare the people against her.
Literally not. Sukuna can cut just about anything, the list of things that Ubel can't cut is going to be much longer than the things she can. @@dezaknar0
Frieren bended reality in the end. The peak of magic cant be recognized as magic because it becomes like a natural phenomenon. Frieren created a gravity force that became a natural thing. It cant be blocked or sensed Without analyse the spell and principles behind it. In a battle it would be impossible to handle if you dont know it beforehand because you dont have the time to analyse and counter
@@Limpass610 its knowlegde from later on. You could call it a spoiler without spoilers, the hints are alrdy there, thats why i told it. Even without the knowlegde, you can guess that nobody can fight something that they cant sense or recognize as magic. How will you imagine fighting or blocking something, if you dont even know it exists. Thats my point. Englisch is my third language, i hope you understand
Idk, it did feel kind of disappointing that they were all like “a human mage will kill you”, but then fern isn’t able to kill her. Not that the fight was bad in any way, it was amazing, just feel like the payoff could’ve been better.
So you want an underdeveloped mage (in terms of power) to kill frieren clone with 1 shot? You must be joking if you expected it to go that easy. Use your brain. Serie wasn't talking about this time when she said those lines. She said it about far future just like how flamme used to predict 1000 years ahead.
In addition to what other people have said SPOILER In the next episode we see the Lernen, who’s the first ‘first class mage’ and noticed that Frieren hides her mana (the first person to do so since the demon king) + Serie mentions how in a battle Lernen could win against Frieren
80 years since she used the magic she used to pin Fern to the wall meaning the last time it was used was during their fight with the Demon King.
Fern is her
@@rassalas4638 I’m aware, she still qualifies as a candidate
That's the implication
Yall forgetting that it wasn't a 1v1 frieren vs fern, it was frieren vs frieren and fern.
@@Chuckystaright like fern is no doubt impressive but fern didnt show up frieren not even close she needed frieren doing the front lining and distracting and she was just the sniper.
The last spell that Clone Frieren used is so interesting in terms of world building.
It seems to be Frierens' Ace in the Hole seeing as the last time she used it was presumably against the Demon King.
And more than that is the fact that Fern, who in her own right is a highly skilled mage, can't even understand it.
The Major point of that scene (And, what this particular version of the subtitles fails to express), is that Fern CANNOT comprehend this attack.
She obviously can tell she is under attack, but she cannot sense any mana, nor can she recognize this attack as a spell.
Really consider what that means. This isn't just a spell Fern doesn't know or a principle she doesn't understand.
This spell is either so fundamentally different and/or so absurdly advanced, that Ferns own body, her very SENSES, and all the knowledge and experience she has as a mage, cannot even begin to comprehend what Frieren is doing in this moment.
This spell is either an entirely different form of magic, like how the Divine Magic of priests is different from Humanities Magic that Mages use (Maybe Elven Magic???).
Or it functions at such an advanced scale that a normal human mage doesn't have enough perspective to see it (Kinda like how people are too small to see the curvature of the Earth).
All this combined leads to Ferns' realization of the "True Heights of Magic". Not the flashy and powerful spells she was using, but a simple pushing spell that is so beyond her comprehension she cannot recognize it as more than that,
My theory as of now (anime only) is that it might be the idea of making ideas into reality made into its most ideal form, no mana manipulation or spell necessary. Just thinking you want to push someone away (maybe out of fear for the clone's case) and just making it just happen. Given the focus of this imagination magic system, I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the ideal of that.
@@humourlessjester3584I think you are in the money (anime only too) seeing as the show us übel in this episode aswell doing something that even a first grade mage can't make sense of.
@humourlessjester3584 my take on it is that whatever spell Frieren casts isn't manifesting her will into reality but is actually changing reality. Like instead of levitating an object (imagining it defying gravity) she instead is changing gravity itself so that now it is way stronger and the wall is "down". Fern can't detect any mana or recognize it as an attack because Frieren isn't putting any mana into Fern and technically isn't attacking her. Fern was in a pocket of space Frieren created, where reality works differently.
While some are theorizing that the height of magic is a form of reality warping.
I personally think that its more likely some form of absolute manipulation mana. Like imagine something like Magneto's powers but this time for mana.
@@jeological5394 it's a fair theory, but it's difficult because Fern says she can't detect any mana-and we know even Frieren can't hide her mana and cast at the same time (when she was capturing the Stille)
Ngl, I agree with Carson and Ubel. The sound of scissors cutting things is very satisfying to listen to.
It’s one of those things that’s going to always sound creepy to say out loud though, lol
@@UmbraMan1 sounding creepy makes you sound super badass, though, so it works.
It's not like it's cutting skin. It's a scissor cutting something inadamant...it sounds very pleasant as you accomplish a straight cut in a hobby....Wait, does that sound weird anyway? 😲
Now just hear me out...what if Frieren actually likes the sound of a chomping Mimic the same way and can't resist it?
especially heavy, metal textile scissors
Ubel is a prodigy. Fern studies and has an amazing teacher with Frieren so her magic is powerful. Ubel goes off imagination, intuition, and empathy. The magic is explained Ubel very unique and strong. Sense is right about how Ubel doesn't think like person. Because she is able to ignore logic to imagine and visualize something she knows for a fact to be impossible.
Not neccessarily, Ubel has only shown two spells (the cutting spell and the binding spell) as she can only learn spells through feeling (she can learn another person’s spell if she empathises with them) and that’s the main reason she can do what she does. She could never visualise cutting through magically reinforced cloth or hair if she 1. understood how the defensive magic worked or could even see it and 2. if she wasn’t delusional and her mind worked properly
From Ubel's "Magic is about visualization." to Fern's "This is the the height of magic." witnessing clone Frieren do magic by visualization and knocked her off the wall without staff/hands. Peak episode.
This episode really opens eyes for us about how strong Frieren is. And how strong is fucking Himmel?
I think the goat to be watched here is Ubel.
Methode is a beast! She fought Clone Fern for at least a solid while and might have even killed her. Plus she has great senses, can Heal, and has Ara Ara energy.
Sein truly missed out
Methode's counter spell is so cool too. She used it against the Gargoyles and the clone used it against Laufen's wiggly spear. On top of that she has binding magic and at least dabbled in hypnosis. She wasn't kidding when she said she has many talents.
Call him😂
She is literally the effect mage build. All others have spells they refined to be powerful and have a strong element they perform with vast destructiv power or have a powerful technique to bind or capture. Methode has effects in a vast repertoire to counter almost anything. She is without a doubt one of the strongest in the pack. I would say:
1. Frieren
2. Methode
3. Denken
4. Wirbel
5. Übel
6. Fern
I'd put Denken and Fern above Methode imo. She'd be #4, above Wirbel and Ubel @@nikolah.8472
That area where they fought was wrecked. I'm sad we didn't get to see that fight. I think Clone Fern was pushing Methode hard. She looks like she collapses in relic that the clone dispersed.
Gotta love Ubel, using her backstory to reinforce how strongly magic is based on imagery and imagination is great. Her target of focus when cutting Berg or Sense's clone down was not on the Defensive magic, but more so on the objects that are universally known to be cuttable. Even her opponents can't unimagine the concept of clothes or hair being cut, then there is no way for them to defend against it.
Another amazing thing this anime does is not leaving out side characters into being side characters, it feels like everything has a soul and is a person and you learn about them really good.
Well, they can defend against it. We saw Wirbel do it.
It's not just imagining it's visualization of that concept, she's instinctual her magic works through her feelings, this also has the added benefit allowing Ubel to learn magic quicker than usual as most people learn spells through analysis and understanding the spell
That shot of frieren's clone was so cold 🥶
It's said that, compared to human magic, demon magic is "closer to fairy tale magic". Humans approach magic as a science, whereas demons have an instinctual grasp. It's implied in this episode that Ubel's mindset is more like a demon's than a human's. I think that's what unsettled Sense.
People commenting are to hung up because of the frequent mentioning of "visualization". It is not how it works directly for Übel. Her way to visualize is the feeling she gets out of it. She reproduces how it feels to cut things and therefore can cut everything. She is wired differently.
@Airwave2k2 she can't cut everything
RIP Fern's staff. I love how everyone reacted to that since we've seen her grow up with it.
This ep is filled with details too
1. The lightings and the camera angles in the Sense vs Ubel scene slowly showed us the shift of superiority between the two mages. Ubel in the shadow -> into the light; Sense brighten -> overcast.
Upper/lower camera angle shifts.
2. Frieren's golem magic. That magic was showcased early in the series in the form of a dancing golem. It's telling us again that a folk magic (as oppose to the academic magic) could be extremely powerful in the right hands.
3. The stare "magic". the magic circle is a pentagonal star instead of the usual hexagonal star (eg. Zoltrak) plus Frieren's clone casts that with no arms. That's why Fern doesn't recognize that as a spell. It may not actually be a magic spell.
This "magic" also could be the one Frieren casted to kill the demon general that invaded her village.
4. There were already 2 treasure chest mimics destroyed in the treasure room scene.
Good observation! Also for point 3 I rechecked eps 10 and the remains of the attack against Basalt does look like its made from similar 'force push' spell
OMG FINQLLY I SEE SOMEONE MENTION THE SIMILARITIES IN THE FIGHT WITH BASALT
Agree with the third. It's probably the first time she used that in extreme desperation.
19:58 you don't need a staff to cast or direct spells, we saw in episode 10 how flamme was able to evaporate three general demons instantly with her bare hands.
It depends on the person tbh
I'm guessing the staff gives them a stat boost to casting. Maybe it makes mana consumption lower, enhances their accuracy or enhances their magic effects. And I would guess it also just works as a funnel/focus so many probably can't even do magic without it. I think we can maybe assume that Fern also needs her staff to cast since she had to get it back before fighting Lügner. I highly doubt she would be unable to fire a Zoltraak without a staff at all but we at least haven't see her do it yet.
I think you don't need a staff when you are using elemental magic just like Richter is straight up earthbending or when Frieren used wind blades to cut off Draht's arms.
@@alexiskingsleigh (spoilers so stop reading right now if you don't read the manga and don't want to get spoiled) Serie literally fights with no staff at all. She uses advanced magical spells without any staff. she doesn't even have a staff as far as we know
@@boboyo3140 😱🤯 ooooh. Based on what you said we could probably infer that the complexity of magic/level of visualization is also a factor in spell casting. Serie can free form complex spells while we also have Kanne who not only needs a staff but also a source of water.
Ubel is just sukuna’s daughter😂
She really halfjo'd that guy
"No one can penetrate him or impregnant his magic cloak"
Ubel be : "Woops, went too deep"
@@awanuddigokuro4371 Übel successfully penetrated and impregnated his cloak just goes to show how much of a threat she is
True damage
i think what she meant by being forced to use since last 80 yrs is that crazy magic her clone used on fern .The fact that fern couldnt even recognise it as magic is crazy.
3:31 - Well Sense said she's a pacifist, so I guess ties into her not outright being completely lethal for fighting style. lol
Exactly, hence why Denken and Fern would sneak around to look for an opening, instead of revealing their mana.
i think it has more to do with the clones dissapearing maybe, you don't see any replica of the people who are out of the dungeon, so it's better to leave them half dead.
@@gino85455very astute
@@gino85455 It has the ability to make clones for everyone who enters the dungeon since the beginning, as mentioned before. Then later, another Ubel clone showed up because more were being made, so there's no reason to leave them half dead for that.
Yeah, people somehow miss the significance of clone Sense always missing the heart versus clone Frieren going for the kill shot. The clones think the same way that their originals do, so this means that Sense really is a pacifist like she said (or, at least, as much of a pacifist as one can be in this world), while Frieren isn't.
for some reason i grabbed this little moment. when Lawine was running towards her clone in slomotion, you can see her legs up close. and the laces on her boots were moving. FREAKING LACES! the level of detail in this show is astounding
13:20 also notice that this isn't even the first mimic, it's at least third one XD you can see two mimic bodies in the frame
3:32 she did not miss (Sense is a pacifist she dosen't kill them she just forces them to break the bottle and run away)
Ubel also uses *Malevolant Shrine* apparently
I don't think I've ever seen an episode of anime that made me want to stand up and clap at the end but here we are.
Himmel himself and his squad are just different breed,, they are freaking monsters💀,,
11:28 Frieren slightly moved her wand to draw the replica’s attention to it, and that created an opening for Fern.
The level of detail in this series is out of this world 🤯
14:23 “Ubel slicing Burg in half…” Yeah… she turned him into a Half-burg-er… 🍔😈
Sense is this deadly, yes. But you forget that she's a pacificist. She probably never goes for the kill as a mage. So her replica is most probably wired to incapacitate instead of killing instantly.
Just a reminder, but Freiren has done spells without her staff. Like when she fought the demon who went inside her jail.
Yeah unlikely she pulled out "the height of magic" (or even a lesser form) for freaking Draht of all people. We also saw Flamme cast without a staff.
There is a difference between casting a spell without a staff and casting a spell with NO ARMS AT ALL
@@skanweers5318 Yeah, and she still did it without arms when she had it around her neck.
@@yellowcard8100 that wasn't a spell, though. She just concentrated the mana around her neck, using it as a shield
@@skanweers5318 and you have this information how? Or when she used a shield when ferm was demonstrating frierens flaw. So ....
Frieren really just went "Ah yes, the technique that I haven't used since the Heia... I mean Demon King era"
I'm happy Frieren finally made her dream of being chewed by the Golden Mimic come true.
That COLD stare of frieren 🥶
The clone was not having it 😅
Clone Frieren stared *calmly*
And i shitted myself😂,,
I did in fact look this up, but being stabbed to through the heart, especially with something as thin as Sense' Hair Needles isn't instant death, you can live for a few hours apparently... In fact, apparently many fighting techniques don't even consider it a valid location to attack since it's fairly hard to reach. This obviously doesn't apply to mages, but it is a fun fact.
Finally, I don't think the Clones would want to kill their target when they could just force them to retreat and that would solve the Spiegel's Biggest Issue, the fact that its final boss is in a 2 v 1, allowing the Clones to save Mana and rush there rather than engage in a potentially lengthy mage battle.
I believe that the reason the Sense's clone didn't aim for the heart is because she is a pacifist so the clone essentially mimicked the avoidence to kill
I think the reason that Sense's replica doesn't kill people is because she's a pacifist, as she says herself. She likely has this habit of not killing people so deeply engraved into her being, that even her replica is only able to incapacitate her opponents without killing them outright.
There is also the potential that the clones try to avoid instantly killing their opponents so more clones can be made. We don't know what happens to a clone if the real one dies, but it's unlikely the Spiegel can make a new copy when the original is dead.
@@sirmcdust5572 Methode mentioned that the Fern clone is likely to immediately kill whoever it sees (of course we don't see that) and the Spiegel also created a second Lawine clone after she was likely already outside, so it might be able to save the originals "data" at least for a short while.
Of course, we as the viewers neither have all the information, nor the ability to study the Spiegel in universe, so theorizing is all that's left.
I personally will stick with the pacifist Sense theory in this regard.
@@sirmcdust5572 A small addendum to my previous comment: I just checked something in the Manga and during Lawine's explanation of the Spiegel with the flashback where one of her brother's expedition group gets wiped out, there is a panel where you can see the clones standing over the corpses of the group.
Since it is only a flashback told by someone who wasn't even there when it happened this might not be entirely accurate, but would give more credit to the theory that the clones can persist after the originals are dead.
(I checked the Manga since it was faster, I don't remember the specific scene in the Anime and am to lazy to check right now)
@@ShyGuy261 Yeah that was definitely a thing so an existing clone will persist even if the original is dead. But I'd still argue it's unlikely the Spiegel can make a new clone (in case the existing one is killed) of a dead person. So not killing their opponents would still be an advantage since that person's clone could continue being deployed.
@@ShyGuy261 Oh I forgot Lawine reappeared. Sure she could just have been copied again just before the Golem got her outside but how likely is that really. I liked the idea of the clones keeping them alive for reinforcements but at this point there is barely any proof for that left.
That psychic attack by clone Frieren is probably demon magic, since mages don't recognize curses as magic. Frieren learnt it but since Fern doesn't know it, she doesn't recognize it as a spell.
Ubel's ability to cut through that guy's cloak reminded me of something from Undead Unluck. Her situation with magic is just like Victor's reflexes.
Every person has a reflex of self preservation when hitting something so that they don't break their fist. It is only logical. But Victor doesn't have that reflex because after billions of years of living, he has become accustomed to the fact that he'll just regenerate. Similarly, even though Ubel knew that cloak was impenetrable, she managed to visualize being able to cut it. That's why Sense believed she doesn't think like a human. Something as illogical as that is not something a human mind can achieve.
can't wait for the next frierenmeshi reaction!!
Übel has the mindset of a Demon...
that fake ending got me lmao what an impression
🗣️PEAK ANIME
Carson, they all use Zoltrak. It's basic offensive magic.
I do think what pushed Fern back was a spell, Frieren ahd the magic circle at her feet
That word Fern say, shes not recognize the attack as a magic spell bring new possibility to the world building.
Either its an exclusive to elf by simply never teached outside themself by their tradition.
Or its within their blood/lineage, only they can do it.
Which make alot of sense why the demon king hunted down every elf.
Or maybe its just a really old spell that almost nobody ever see/heard of.
I love that Lindsey is wearing Chopper's hat even when not reacting to One Piece
you guys are right, translation got some things wrong ... dont know why
chapter is called "Pinnacle of magic" which make more sense, am spanish native and got to see the episode real soon on friday, so i got it in japanese english sub, then spanish sub, then english official sub.... sometimes translation is weird
7:32 - I really like how there's a way for mages to become more powerful aside from accumulating spells or increasing mana.
Always surprised by the amount of those who forgot Ubel killed an instructor.
10:00 the copy didn't have enough power to break the defense,so they just need to not be killed
I like that Ubel's "eyes of a killer" is a thing because it makes a concept of a design who already have killed. Because if you observe closely, Frieren, Denken and even Richter have somewhat similar eye designs.
Also I wonder why Ubel's clone specifically casted Sorganeil on Land. It makes me think that it wasn't the Spiegel that revived the clones but Land's clone (by the Spiegel) did it. Land's technique is a mystery but if he can make a bottle illusion, then he maybe could make people too?
I honestly had the same thought first time I saw them revived, but now that I think about it, it's probably really hard to make clones of (effectively) living things, so he can probably only do himself. Otherwise we would probably see like 3 of each of them lol.
@@crackers5422 yeah that's what I thought too. I was just wondering why Ubel clone specifically casted Sorganeil on Land, I mean, Denken and Ubel are there. I thought Ubel would've thought to bind either herself or especially Denken first.
@@-quoreo-7196if u assume the clones learn every time they come back it could be because land beat Ubel the first time
Sure ubel ultimately dealt the finishing blow but if not for land she would have already lost to her clone
@@-quoreo-7196 I imagine Ubel clone did have Denken as a priority but in this case he was partially covered by Ubel and Land, so he went to the second best option instead (Ubel also atacked Land first the first time the clone found them, so at least thats consistent). I think they just got lucky Denken wasn´t a valid target.
Frieren immediately proceeds to feed herself to the last few mimics in the dungeon, as is tradition among adventurers.
4:27 it seems much like a Jujutsu Sorcerer, the more delusional you are, the stronger you are.
But it's interesting that anyone that actually simply relies on the hexagon wall defense magic, Ubel's magic is useless against them. She was able to defeat only adversaries that do not use those. Like the two first class mages - cloak and hair just don't work, regardless of how strong they think their magic made them to be.
But with Solganiel and cutting magic together (where her adversaries cannot use the hexagon wall) she is quite invincible if she gets the Solganiel out.
and if she gets Land clone skill too wold cover for much of her glass cannon nature.... man i can see Ubel becoming a big problem
The Scary Thing is that the Clone basically knew it "Lost" bc. it wouldnt have a Chance in that State against her Original anymore.
So it basically tried to kill Off Fern as fast as possible out of Pure killing Instinct. The Datail of her Eye Tracing shows us that it knew what was coming.
I highly recommend the OP and ED’s for both seasons of Zombie Land Saga. As well as a lot of the songs. Very well produced and make for the anime itself. I also highly recommend checking out the OP for Domestic Girlfriend. So many shows with amazing songs I’d recommend.
My take on the last spell is not about how it works, but what it represents. We see clone Frieren's expression change into a death stare while she did that. Imo Frieren is somewhat vengeful and prideful deep inside. That spell basically makes her focus on the person/entity that did fatal damage to her and single in with the intent to kill, while leaving herself wide open.
If we go back to when she met Flamme we can see they both share a pretty deep hatred towards demons. This last resort spell, must've been constructed with demons/demon king in mind. Meaning that in Frieren's mind the one that would deal fatal damage to her is probably going to be the demon king or a high rank demon, so that spell might be a darker spin on magic of some kind in response to her hatred towards demons.
3:30 - Kinda late, but that is probably because Sense is a pacifist and doesn't want to actually kill anybody, and since the clone replicates everything that she does, she fights in the same, non-lethal way: give them enough injuries that they need to leave/are defeated, but not enough to instantly kill them.
All I'm praying now is tht they make the season 2 because we all know Madhouse 💀
The whole situation with Clone Frieren's final spell... What if that was elven magic? The whole series they are always talking about human magic, and 2 of the 3 elves we have met seem to be quite proficient at it's use. But perhaps Fern didn't recognize it because it was not a spell based in human magic at all?
The glasses dude, only use talk no jutsu this 2nd exam and got apprehended 2x. And yet he passed the test, what a chad.
Oh boy...you should wait for next ep lmao.
@@307nishchay8 nah, he will do the same. But this time with. . . . . . . . . . . .
Tea. .
I love that there are at least two other dead mimics in the shot.
That evil Frieren face is epic! I imagine that would be how she would look if she was the Demon Queen herself!
Ubel always struck me as someone who has a connection/outlook on magic more akin to that demons have than humans, actually, her mind might be more similar in general than not.
Linds with the super cute Chopper hat!
Mad House is really mad
One of the best anime episodes I've seen in a long while
Also I'm bummed out that Lawine didn't get to pass
I always print my document to A4 paper but my mother prefer F4 paper
If i run out my A4 paper, i always use F4 paper and cut it scissor to A4 size.
That's satisfying to my ear and my finger skin
3:42 "she keeps missing the heart" You have to remember that Sense repeatedly said she's a literal pacifist. Because of this, I don't think the clone intended to kill anyone and always gave them the chance to escape. It's truly the perfect test for her, and I bet she chose it because she knows the clones are based on the mages' memories and abilities.
That’s a good ol *rasen chibaku tensei* right there
also shinra tensei freiren lol
13:21 Who puts Multiple Mimics in 1 Treasure Vault? I spot 3 Mimics dead right in that shot!
Learning about Ubel was my favorite part of this episode lol
best girl, and she just recently came back in the manga so really excited to see her more
I started reading the manga. The weekly waits are *killing* me
no she's not missing the heart, that's a clone of sense - sense is a Pacifist
Fern is really good, but she's still young. She really isn't the strongest among the examines even excluding Frieren. Denken and Methode in particular are definitely stronger, Wirbel too if it's a 1v1.
I think she also suffers the stark syndrome too.
Where she really doesnt know how strong she can be because she is always in frieren's shadow.
If magic is about visualisation, she has a major handicap as a mage.
Good call on how Sense always missed the fatal spots. She's a pacifist remember?
Well, Denken was with them, too. He's probably the 2nd strongest test taker.
Nice Tony Tony Chopper Hat🔥
right?!?! it's so cute!
Feels like end of EP 25 was for naught, but this EP was fantastic. Ubel stressing me out like Sukuna now
She really halfjo'd that guy
Apparently the yapping with Serie became irrelevant. It still take one Frieren to take out a Frieren
It was always the case. Even if the snipe at the end of the last episode would have worked, it wouldn't not have been because Fern beat Frieren, would it. Without Frieren commanding like 99% of Frieren's attention, Fern wouldn't last 10 seconds in a stand up fight against her. @@manhcuong3035
y'all are just impatient man, I am willing to bet Serie's prediction will pan out@@manhcuong3035
@@manhcuong3035nope. I don't think what serie said is irrelevant. What if she is talking about far far future? Flamme could predict 1000 years ahead. You think serie can't? That yapping will lead to something.
Just so you know méthodes can beat fern fern is strong but there are many mzge that are still stronger then her in the next arc fern was strugling with a adversaire that methode was playing with and was survelling fern figth at the same time to see if she need help méthode is a monster too🙏🏾
And Fern literally said: Nah, I'd win.💀
I mean we should wouldn't win on own but am still impressed. Frieren said that she didn't this magic to pin fern on the wall since 80 years ago which mean against the demon king
Ubel every episode is more interesting at first we thought she would like a hisoka a crazy phycopthic murder acting as a antagonist for the arc wail she is slightly that its more that her brain just works differently and has a massive imagination and understanding of others and the world alowes her to just do what she wants witch is why she has such a indifference towards murder. Dont know i just like seeing characters surpase expectations
Nah, we need a prequal... we wanna know what the hell went down 80 years ago
She keeps missing the hearts cus well. The clone is based on a pacifist.
I assume every time she had to fight she would go spare the people against her.
Ubel? Na Sukuna in disguise.
Literally
Literally not. Sukuna can cut just about anything, the list of things that Ubel can't cut is going to be much longer than the things she can. @@dezaknar0
It makes sense that the 3 vs 5 would be a win for the mages.
Denken can take on 4 at least.... 9:45
Maybe Sense is bad at hitting the heart because she's a pacifist and doesn't get into fights with people.
Serie is a pacifist
So her replica never kill
Sense means scythe
I don't understand why reactors seem to miss obvious scenes. Wth self destruct what
Fern is in the vents
I hope they adapt that arc
Frieren bended reality in the end. The peak of magic cant be recognized as magic because it becomes like a natural phenomenon. Frieren created a gravity force that became a natural thing. It cant be blocked or sensed Without analyse the spell and principles behind it. In a battle it would be impossible to handle if you dont know it beforehand because you dont have the time to analyse and counter
Is that a spoiler or just theory?
@@Limpass610 its knowlegde from later on. You could call it a spoiler without spoilers, the hints are alrdy there, thats why i told it. Even without the knowlegde, you can guess that nobody can fight something that they cant sense or recognize as magic. How will you imagine fighting or blocking something, if you dont even know it exists. Thats my point. Englisch is my third language, i hope you understand
Rip Akira Toriyama
Whaaattt I dont know u had alt yt acc with other anime. I thought u only watch One Piece
Do u guys plan on doing Kaguya sama the First Kiss that never Ends soon?
3rd exam is next!!!
Spongebob was right... imagination :v
PEAK PEAK PEAK
Idk, it did feel kind of disappointing that they were all like “a human mage will kill you”, but then fern isn’t able to kill her. Not that the fight was bad in any way, it was amazing, just feel like the payoff could’ve been better.
Fern is not experienced yet. Payoff is in the future when she develops more. Character development.
Fern was able to inflict a lethal wound though.
So you want an underdeveloped mage (in terms of power) to kill frieren clone with 1 shot?
You must be joking if you expected it to go that easy.
Use your brain. Serie wasn't talking about this time when she said those lines. She said it about far future just like how flamme used to predict 1000 years ahead.
The show has basic logic. It even shows at the end what would happen if Fern had tried to solo Frieren. Fly on the windscreen.
In addition to what other people have said SPOILER
In the next episode we see the Lernen, who’s the first ‘first class mage’ and noticed that Frieren hides her mana (the first person to do so since the demon king) + Serie mentions how in a battle Lernen could win against Frieren
my Ubel is best