We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
My wife and kids want to use the trainer too. It would be massive inconvenience to set each of them up on a kickr on their own bikes each time they want to ride. With the wattbike I imagine it would be simple to adjust the seat and the bars and away they go.
Got the wattbike Atom. A quick release adjusts the seat height, but changing stem length requires an allen key which is a tiny bit annoying. So I tend to leave it a bit short unless I'm doing a serious effort or TT practice.
I’ve got the Atom - the biggest selling point for me is its footprint, it is so small for a unit that does so much. It takes up far less space than a bike & trainer setup.
@@Drivingp I've had one since April and it's excellent. I wanted my Wife and Daughter to be able to use it so a bike based trainer was a bad option (they're much shorter than me!). It's a super solid nice piece of kit which to me felt better than the trainers or rollers I'd used in the past. The only negative initially is the much mentioned small lag on gear change, but after the first half dozen rides you totally adjust to this.
@@JASPERSDOG Was thinking of the same as you, is the stock seat comfy for everyone? I was looking at WTB female saddles that are also good for men for household trainer sharing without changing seats.
@@djsaunter This hasn't been an issue so far, I race cyclocross and my wife and daughter mainly do HiiT sessions so none of us generally spend much more than an hour on it. I suspect if we were settling in for longer rides then individual saddle choices might be more of an issue
Good video - one other feature to mention - portability. I have to move my kickr into different rooms eg Christmas and everyone is home, and that is much easier to do with a smart trainer than moving a smart bike
Excellent summary. For the wattbike atom I think it's better for free riding to switch to 11 gears, you are not forced to 22. Maybe I'm thinking of the next-generation model which is also quieter.
You should be comparing the cost of only the kickr with the wattbike. Not including all the over priced accessories. The kickr is much better value and much more versatile. You could buy a kickr and a second bike (maybe a gravel bike or something you don't already have) for the cost of the wattbike. The second bike could stay on the kickr and take it off when you want to use it. There's no messing about when you've got a bike always setup on the trainer.
Watching this video was worth it just to see how you dealt with the power wire for the Wahoo Kickr. Passing it under the mat through holes was brilliant.
If you think Kickr is great and smooth in ride feel, then try out the Tacx Neo 2. It's SO MUCH better. And it's even quiter...! I have had 2 Kickr18 but swapped the 3'rd out with a Neo2. Haven't looked back since. Oh I love I never have to zero offset the Neo 2 - it just is accurate. Just my 2 cent...
Thomas Riemer Have both...no clearcut winner for me. Kickr: better road feel and no wheel slip on steep gradients. Neo: subtle wobble more realistic,better accuracy and no calibration.
timbo clearcut winner is obviously the neo, my kickr went faulty 3 times , 2 replacements. 3rd time was enough, now I’m left with a kickr climb to sell ........
A disadvantage of the Atom is you need a permanent space for it to occupy, as it's an extra, immovable piece of kit. You *could* fold up and store the Kickr between workouts, and return the bike to wherever you typically store it. Also, budget-wise, the Kickr definitely has the edge - the climb and headwind modules are not really essential, so a head-to-head comparison with the Atom would be £1,000 vs £1,600. You sort of said this, but I think it needs emphasising. Good, clear video otherwise, though!
I don't understand all the technicalities of bikes yet but got a wattbike because of the information overload with the kickr and the set up. I researched both well but the kickr just doesn't make the information accessible for someone like me.
Wattbike Atom for me!! My friend burnt out his drivetrain and cassette and chain of his expensive road bike over the winter using the Kicker at a repair cost of £350. The Wattbike is also very convenient and easy to use.
I live in the USA. No wattbike here. But, I love my smart-trainer so no worries. But I would buy a smart bike on a pivot. I think turning is the next level for Zwift. I would like them to find a way to workin bike handling!
Prefer the Neo to both of them and the realistic road feel of Neo is something else. If you want to train on your actual set up, you can't beat a smart trainer. A smart bike is a permanent object in a room if you're limited for space, whereas your smart trainer can be folded away.
I just can't believe this review or any of the reviews I've seen of the Wahoo Kickr. I have never tried the Wattbike, so I have no experience with that, but I'm currently researching an alternative for the Wahoo Kickr V6, which I purchased roughly a month ago. I saw it getting so many positive reviews particularly from GCN, so I picked it up, but I'm so disappointed with it. People say it's quiet, but it is not. I use ear plugs to be able to use it indoors. To me, it also doesn't feel realistic. In my local gym we have the BodyBike's and to me that should be pretty far from a real biking experience, but I still think the Wahoo Kickr feels more unreal. Every pedal stroke is just a little bit unpleasant and on my last ride (after I had for umphteenth time taken the bike of the trainer and relubricated everything), I just thought f... this, I need to get a device with less maintenance, which doesn't feel like it is destroying my bike and is far less noisy - like the bodybike's in my gym. Then I can just use my road bike in the summer. Also, changing gears to often in Zwift? I don't know which geniuses designed those courses, but they go up and down every 50 meters, so I change gears every 20 seconds or so, at least once a minute on most of their routes - even the supposedly flat ones, and sticking to a set power target is completely impossible. So cancelled my Zwift subscription too. Finally, the accuracy of my Wahoo Kickr is roughly 50 watts off what I've ever been measured at before, so I don't buy the "accurate to 1%" at all
wattbike vs neobike is more reasonable comparison hen wahoo kickr vs neo2 with all the issues wahoo has with the belts these days on the trainer and climbing units itself i wouldnt event touch it if they paid me for it
Kickr is not good for racing. It’s like cycling through treacle. Broken and returned 2 units in 18 months. Using elite Direto xr, for a month there is no comparison it’s a million miles better than the kickr18.
We tackled assembling the bike as a family project. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxzg0clhbtRf2gGxPkVETFKJJKGqdsorQu The package is heavy, but I have 2 teen boys that were able to move it. The written instructions were great- we didn't need to watch the videos, but it was good knowing that the option was there if we needed it. After we were able to get it set up, the boys each rode 3 miles and I rode 8 and the bike stayed quiet. The display is easy to reset, and you can put it on whichever setting you are using (time, distance, calories, etc). I will say that my butt is a little sore from the seat, but that could be because I haven't rode in a while. While it is comfortable for me, it was not comfortable with the seat position for my friend (could not move the seat back far enough and he slightly looked like a kid riding a tricycle that he had outgrown). He also said that the seat hurt his manly parts. We are going to look for a different seat that will be compatible with this bike for him.I did purchase the Wahoo Cadence sensor and strapped it to the crank of one of the pedals. This will sync with my Apple Watch, iPhone and will import data in to my Health app. Wahoo does have other sensors available other than cadence. I can also keep either my phone or my iPad on the display and they both feel pretty secure.
The Atom has the benefit too that a whole family can use it, with no need for swapping lots of bikes in and out.
My wife and kids want to use the trainer too. It would be massive inconvenience to set each of them up on a kickr on their own bikes each time they want to ride. With the wattbike I imagine it would be simple to adjust the seat and the bars and away they go.
Got the wattbike Atom. A quick release adjusts the seat height, but changing stem length requires an allen key which is a tiny bit annoying. So I tend to leave it a bit short unless I'm doing a serious effort or TT practice.
I’ve got the Atom - the biggest selling point for me is its footprint, it is so small for a unit that does so much. It takes up far less space than a bike & trainer setup.
I'm thinking of buying one, would you recommend it?
@@Drivingp I've had one since April and it's excellent. I wanted my Wife and Daughter to be able to use it so a bike based trainer was a bad option (they're much shorter than me!). It's a super solid nice piece of kit which to me felt better than the trainers or rollers I'd used in the past. The only negative initially is the much mentioned small lag on gear change, but after the first half dozen rides you totally adjust to this.
@@JASPERSDOG Was thinking of the same as you, is the stock seat comfy for everyone? I was looking at WTB female saddles that are also good for men for household trainer sharing without changing seats.
@@djsaunter This hasn't been an issue so far, I race cyclocross and my wife and daughter mainly do HiiT sessions so none of us generally spend much more than an hour on it. I suspect if we were settling in for longer rides then individual saddle choices might be more of an issue
a1 review. good sound & you can understand him. its not hard to test the decibels !
Good video - one other feature to mention - portability. I have to move my kickr into different rooms eg Christmas and everyone is home, and that is much easier to do with a smart trainer than moving a smart bike
Excellent summary. For the wattbike atom I think it's better for free riding to switch to 11 gears, you are not forced to 22. Maybe I'm thinking of the next-generation model which is also quieter.
Correct. I have the Atom next gen and its amazing
You should be comparing the cost of only the kickr with the wattbike. Not including all the over priced accessories. The kickr is much better value and much more versatile. You could buy a kickr and a second bike (maybe a gravel bike or something you don't already have) for the cost of the wattbike. The second bike could stay on the kickr and take it off when you want to use it. There's no messing about when you've got a bike always setup on the trainer.
This. I just leave my steel bike on the trainer all the time. It's stiff and I don't have to worry about sprinting on the trainer with a carbon bike.
The wattbike is cheaper by £100
Watching this video was worth it just to see how you dealt with the power wire for the Wahoo Kickr. Passing it under the mat through holes was brilliant.
If you think Kickr is great and smooth in ride feel, then try out the Tacx Neo 2. It's SO MUCH better. And it's even quiter...! I have had 2 Kickr18 but swapped the 3'rd out with a Neo2. Haven't looked back since. Oh I love I never have to zero offset the Neo 2 - it just is accurate. Just my 2 cent...
Thomas Riemer
Have both...no clearcut winner for me.
Kickr: better road feel and no wheel slip on steep gradients.
Neo: subtle wobble more realistic,better accuracy and no calibration.
timbo clearcut winner is obviously the neo, my kickr went faulty 3 times , 2 replacements. 3rd time was enough, now I’m left with a kickr climb to sell ........
Solid comparison. I recall the Q factor is a little wide on the Wattbike. Thanks for the review.
Shane RM yes it is. Not something you notice though.
really useful thank you, although given whats currently going on these are racing out the doors and going to have to wait over two months for the bike
4 months if you want the updated one.
Minor point, the Kickr headwind can also control the fan speed by heart rate. This is a much better option then speed.
What's with the saddle position!?
Perfect for doing bar spins. LOL
you can change it any direction
A disadvantage of the Atom is you need a permanent space for it to occupy, as it's an extra, immovable piece of kit. You *could* fold up and store the Kickr between workouts, and return the bike to wherever you typically store it. Also, budget-wise, the Kickr definitely has the edge - the climb and headwind modules are not really essential, so a head-to-head comparison with the Atom would be £1,000 vs £1,600. You sort of said this, but I think it needs emphasising. Good, clear video otherwise, though!
Great rollers at a great price. Easy to assemble fun to ride
I don't understand all the technicalities of bikes yet but got a wattbike because of the information overload with the kickr and the set up. I researched both well but the kickr just doesn't make the information accessible for someone like me.
Do u know how to sync with garmin watch
Wattbike Atom for me!! My friend burnt out his drivetrain and cassette and chain of his expensive road bike over the winter using the Kicker at a repair cost of £350. The Wattbike is also very convenient and easy to use.
Great analysis
I live in the USA.
No wattbike here.
But, I love my smart-trainer so no worries.
But I would buy a smart bike on a pivot.
I think turning is the next level for Zwift.
I would like them to find a way to workin bike handling!
Where is the Wattbike sold, only in Europe?
Very interesting thank you! 🤗
Prefer the Neo to both of them and the realistic road feel of Neo is something else. If you want to train on your actual set up, you can't beat a smart trainer. A smart bike is a permanent object in a room if you're limited for space, whereas your smart trainer can be folded away.
Wattbike Atom Vs schwinn classic cruiser request
I thought you could choose a virtual 11-speed cassette for the Wattbike?
You can....you configure an 11 or 22 gear range, and in 11 speed mode, it has much better gear transitions
@@Paradaz2990 in what way speed of shift ?
I just can't believe this review or any of the reviews I've seen of the Wahoo Kickr. I have never tried the Wattbike, so I have no experience with that, but I'm currently researching an alternative for the Wahoo Kickr V6, which I purchased roughly a month ago. I saw it getting so many positive reviews particularly from GCN, so I picked it up, but I'm so disappointed with it. People say it's quiet, but it is not. I use ear plugs to be able to use it indoors. To me, it also doesn't feel realistic. In my local gym we have the BodyBike's and to me that should be pretty far from a real biking experience, but I still think the Wahoo Kickr feels more unreal. Every pedal stroke is just a little bit unpleasant and on my last ride (after I had for umphteenth time taken the bike of the trainer and relubricated everything), I just thought f... this, I need to get a device with less maintenance, which doesn't feel like it is destroying my bike and is far less noisy - like the bodybike's in my gym. Then I can just use my road bike in the summer.
Also, changing gears to often in Zwift? I don't know which geniuses designed those courses, but they go up and down every 50 meters, so I change gears every 20 seconds or so, at least once a minute on most of their routes - even the supposedly flat ones, and sticking to a set power target is completely impossible. So cancelled my Zwift subscription too.
Finally, the accuracy of my Wahoo Kickr is roughly 50 watts off what I've ever been measured at before, so I don't buy the "accurate to 1%" at all
I felt that the Tacx Neo 2T has a lot better ride feel than the Kckr
in what sense ? i dont know what to pick between the 2t and the kickr
wattbike vs neobike is more reasonable comparison
hen wahoo kickr vs neo2
with all the issues wahoo has with the belts these days on the trainer and climbing units itself i wouldnt event touch it if they paid me for it
Sadomasochist with that saddle angle
Good content, but very bad audio
I don't understand why Wattbike isn't available in the US. Wattbike chop! chop! You're missing a big slice of cake!
I know a lad in Cleveland has one , jonnie O ‘ Sullivan. If you want his number he will let you use it . Hope this works ?😉
Unless you can take that Wattbike outdoors, there is no comparison.
The welding on the atom looks ugly as hell. That would annoy me more than anything
For me it's simple kicker wins hands down. The kicker resistance is too much.
When did the name change from Cycling porn to cycling pulse and why? Did people find it offensive?
@ I agree
He probably discovered his vids weren't appearing in filtered search results.
Kickr is not good for racing. It’s like cycling through treacle. Broken and returned 2 units in 18 months. Using elite Direto xr, for a month there is no comparison it’s a million miles better than the kickr18.
Kickr is terrible! Made of cheese, build quality is absolutely horrific!
Wish I had never wasted my money on it!
IT COST ENOUGH.
ITS ABOUT FUCKING TIME
THE CUSTOMERS GOT SOMETHING FREE BACK
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Kickr isn't best in class. There is no "best in class".
wahoo kickr is NOT the ultimate Smart Trainer... for an english maybe, for the rest of the world, not!