Same here! I was really confused why they retracted gear and flaps during wind shear. They don't have to change configuration (Flaps/slats, gear) until out of wind shear, closely monitor path and speed. Callouts about W/V should be made
@Sagittarius Alpha First of all they’re flying with AP ON, yes of course the rate of nose up more than 25 degrees leading an Upset situation, they retard to CL mode inside the shear (yeah!), the WS caution proc for airbus has been changed, if the AC is going to go to upset yes is better FLY the first thing dont let the AP. You dont need to know more about me, see the video and study upset recovery training. Lol
@Sagittarius Alpha I’m not speaking about the Flaps, if they put FLAPS 1 its because they’re supposing be out of the shear, but they loose altitude later and Yes, a 25 degrees up is an Upset situation (25 up, 10 down, 45 bank). I know about the system, why they retard to CL mode and why in a WS situation they maintain altitude?! Tell me why they are in the shear or out!? Do you thing this maneuver is perfect!!?!?!! Pffffff if I have this situation I apply of course MEM item but later I climb to the Moon if necessary, with TOGA and don’t clean the aircraft.
Exactly what I thought. throttle back to THR CLB even before out of shear... the loss of airspeed and that AoA, serious G force on the airframe, and not to mention things throwing around the cabin...
Matiastadeo Rossi quit telling me the manual says, i give these guys the benefit of the doubt for being in a simulator, if it was actual flying, they were 101% not out of the sheer, thats what all the instruments' telling me, not the manual, and sure they would feel the damn plane riding it rough like a rollercoaster. I am not questioning the ability of the AP to fly, I am questioning this particular instant, the pilots' decision to prematurelly reduce power could've become a more serious one and potentially unrecoverable, given the low alt of ~1700AGL.... the margin of error is minimal, even A.FLOOR wouldnt be able to save the world at that sort of alt. DISC.AP and maintain level TOGA power until absolutely stable is the way I would handle this situation, would you suggest otherwise?
SMCITW dude, firstly: they were not in the windshear itself. Secondly, they’ve already reached the cleared altitude, so there is no need to keep the thrust at TOGA. Thirdly: Airbus themselves recommend using AP if it was already engaged, unless automatic disengagement occurs upon aircraft exit the normal flight envelope.
They were not in a windshear. It was just a warning. That made them go around (following the go-around-procedure, obvs.), not performing the windshead-escape-meneuver.
You are very confused. There is a big difference between windshear REACTIVE and PREDICTIVE. but don't worry, you are not the only one who thinks WS reactive and predictive are the same thing. I wouldn't be laughing.
What happened at the end there? Crazy stuff!
Same here! I was really confused why they retracted gear and flaps during wind shear. They don't have to change configuration (Flaps/slats, gear) until out of wind shear, closely monitor path and speed. Callouts about W/V should be made
it was a PWS warning. they were not in windshear
With WS warning better don.t change configuration and follow SRS, at the end this ís an UPSET 25 degrees nose Up is crazy!! lol
@Sagittarius Alpha Yes, start training doing a Prefictive WS and finishing it with an UPSET situation is perfect!! 25 nose up and Rising! Yeahhh
@Sagittarius Alpha First of all they’re flying with AP ON, yes of course the rate of nose up more than 25 degrees leading an Upset situation, they retard to CL mode inside the shear (yeah!), the WS caution proc for airbus has been changed, if the AC is going to go to upset yes is better FLY the first thing dont let the AP. You dont need to know more about me, see the video and study upset recovery training. Lol
@Sagittarius Alpha I’m not speaking about the Flaps, if they put FLAPS 1 its because they’re supposing be out of the shear, but they loose altitude later and Yes, a 25 degrees up is an Upset situation (25 up, 10 down, 45 bank). I know about the system, why they retard to CL mode and why in a WS situation they maintain altitude?! Tell me why they are in the shear or out!? Do you thing this maneuver is perfect!!?!?!! Pffffff if I have this situation I apply of course MEM item but later I climb to the Moon if necessary, with TOGA and don’t clean the aircraft.
WS ahead you can change conf.... WS REACTIVE you cannot. A lot of pilots confuse the 2. Predictive and reactive are 2 completely different things...
@@juanmanuelcortacero7345 all this flex, just because u didnt read its "WS AHEAD"
CAE simulator, the best
Nav green. Athr white. Interesting variations from airbus sop.
I believe white means A/THR is now in control as it goes white when they put the levers to CL
@@LiamHolloway yes but it’s not normal to announce it as “white”.
@@peteconrad2077 different airlines have different procedures might be the way this airline does it.
@@LiamHolloway you may be right but announcing whites is contrary to Airbus SOPs and honestly a bit odd.
@@peteconrad2077 Yeah is a bit. I’ve heard of no others who do this.
What?
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I think it’s pretty obvious to all of us that that manoeuvre was terrible and dangerous.
In what way.
@@peteconrad2077 Read through the other comments, they’ve pointed out faults better than I ever could.
@@LunaProtogen so you’ve labelled something as terrible and dangerous that you don’t even understand.
@@peteconrad2077 I do understand, I’m just not good at listing stuff because of a bad memory.
@@LunaProtogen so you can’t reread what you’ve said either. Either way you’ve badmouthed and can’t substantiate it.
sir windshear we keep configuration why changed
For windshear AHEAD you can change config. A lot of pilots confuse ws AHEAD with ws REACTIVE.
lol great job on letting the AP fly you guys to a nose high unusual attitude at the end there. How about you fly the plane.
Exactly what I thought. throttle back to THR CLB even before out of shear... the loss of airspeed and that AoA, serious G force on the airframe, and not to mention things throwing around the cabin...
Matiastadeo Rossi please mate, look at 2:09 , look at that AoA and say its normal.
speed is droppig, and the plane is sinking to the ground. not good.
Matiastadeo Rossi
quit telling me the manual says, i give these guys the benefit of the doubt for being in a simulator, if it was actual flying, they were 101% not out of the sheer, thats what all the instruments' telling me, not the manual, and sure they would feel the damn plane riding it rough like a rollercoaster.
I am not questioning the ability of the AP to fly, I am questioning this particular instant, the pilots' decision to prematurelly reduce power could've become a more serious one and potentially unrecoverable, given the low alt of ~1700AGL.... the margin of error is minimal, even A.FLOOR wouldnt be able to save the world at that sort of alt.
DISC.AP and maintain level TOGA power until absolutely stable is the way I would handle this situation, would you suggest otherwise?
SMCITW dude, firstly: they were not in the windshear itself. Secondly, they’ve already reached the cleared altitude, so there is no need to keep the thrust at TOGA. Thirdly: Airbus themselves recommend using AP if it was already engaged, unless automatic disengagement occurs upon aircraft exit the normal flight envelope.
I'd hate to fly for an airline of which their SOP's are like this. :(
compeletly wrong procedure during go around
positive climb, gear up! HAHA if i change config on my P check i will fail miserably.
They were not in a windshear. It was just a warning. That made them go around (following the go-around-procedure, obvs.), not performing the windshead-escape-meneuver.
@@NeverTurnOffTheAmp QRH first action states "perform a windshear scape maneuver.." for "go around windshear ahead"
@@NordoNylewrong. it says "Perform a windshear scape maneuver..." QRH..
@@LeonHoward mem windshear warning - pred windshear - landing (go around windshear ahead) - go around perform - AP (if engaged) keep on
You are very confused. There is a big difference between windshear REACTIVE and PREDICTIVE. but don't worry, you are not the only one who thinks WS reactive and predictive are the same thing. I wouldn't be laughing.