Sony FX30 vs Lumix S5II | The classic or New Hero?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
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Lumix S5II
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[The Table of Contents]
Intro 00:00
Overall Spec 01:35
Recording Options 02:17
4K vs 6K 03:08
Slow Motion 04:32
Log 05:19
Low Light 07:36
Video Functions 08:55
AF/IS 10:53
Build Quality 12:34
Photography 13:49
Conclusion 14:45
The Crux 16:43
#SonyFX30 #lumixs5ii - Навчання та стиль
fx30 wins it, marginal difference for lumix in sharpness and low light. fx 30 looks better and wayyy better usage in real life. + you would have to buy lumix full frame glass that is way more expensive and good luck selling that 2nd hand
"Good luck selling that 2nd hand" thats true. I have S5 and I cannot sell it but I decided not to sell it and use it for on table videos and I gotta say even tho I have both I love my S5 for more options in menu and capturing MOV files for example. I use FX30 for outdoor vlogging because of its better AF and smaller sexier form factor.
Completely arguable… the low light test was quite unfair on the Panasonic. In default settings the S5ii applies no noise reduction to the footage, which you can alter in the settings. Sony doesn’t allow you customise your noise reduction and applies it regardless.
So the comparison is looking at completely raw footage vs denoised footage.
Also he had the ISO at 3200, the second native iso setting on the FX30 is 2500, so he’s only gone 1 stop above it’s native ISO.
The second iso on the S5ii is 4000, so having it set at 3200 is as high as you can go before setting at the second iso range, meaning the footage will be extremely noisey.
A better test would have been to do the 2 cameras at their second iso setting and then maybe 1 at 6400.
So the comparison is unfair, your looking at default denoised sony footage that is only 1 stop above a native ISO to default not denoised lumix footage which is like 6 settings above a native iso.
What does that mean? Buying a full frame glass on lumix, aren't there like a bunch of them? And the resell value for Lumix i guess is not good...?
@@mostvisuals the fact you have to ask this question proves my point. I do videography and travel all the time and yet to meet anyone who shoots that system
Ironically S5 sells like hotcakes on the used market, I could only find 1 on the used market in my country, there used to be quite a lot of them, glass seems to go pretty quickly too.
run & gun camera , lumix S5 ii in every situation, best IS no need to carry gimble , evf for sunny day , 20-60mm best kit lens in terms of focal length, 6k video means future proof upto next 7 years , if somebody already use sony then fx30 will be the best choice but for newcomers like me no doubt Lumix S5 ii , value for money
Your low light test for the S5II would have been better if you went to ISO 4000. That’s the second dual native ISO on the S5II. You were at 3200 is the top extreme for the base ISO 640. I see you did select a reasonable spot for the Sony at 3200 which is it next setting up from its second dual native ISO 2500. If you tried this at ISO 4000 the S5II would have been even better, as expected from full frame.
It’s also important to note that in default settings the S5ii does not apply any noise reduction to the log profile, where as the FX30 does.
So not only did he put the iso at a pretty rough setting, but is also comparing denoised footage to completely raw footage 😅
Wellsaid
Yeah but if you're going to compare apples to apples then compare a full frame Panasonic to a full frame Sony like the ZVE 1
What cam did you use to record yourself and lights, and mic ? Thank you
Hey ! Great Vid !
But between the two camera, what’s the best for short film, filmaking with a little crew? I’ve got a A7Rii now and i want to upgrade to a more professional video camera…. I’ve got some many hesitation and i can’t arrive to take a decision (with my budget to, because if i move to an other cam like Lumix, i’ve to payed the new lens) If you can help me on that question ! Thanks ;)
Good review however you missed a few limitations of the fx30 which is why I returned the camera for the s5ii. First is the lack of shutter angle and the fact that the shutter speed setting is shared for photo and video which makes it an absolute pain to switch framerates or from photo to video on the fly. Second is the lack of focus throw control and change from exponential to linear focus on the fx30, if you happen to get a lens with no linear focus then you are stuck with it and it makes it very difficult to nail manual focus. Third has to do with video playback for reviewing shots, the s5ii now has canons touchscreen video playback style where you can drag your finger along a timeline to get to the right point in a long video, for the fx30 you have to mash the fast forward button like a vcr and it takes longer to get to your clip as you usually end up skipping over it. Another issue is the raw output which is cropped to micro 4/3 on the fx30 while it's full frame on the s5ii.
I can't imagine buying a camera because shutter angle tho... Also you can program the Sony I think, I haven't tried this yet, for a profile to use a frame rate and shutter setting. And the issue with exponential end linear lens, well since the Sony lineup is far more vast with lens options I guess that's not really an issue. And personally having been a shooter for like 20 years I don't recall ever depending on watching a video in my camera. I care more about the end product and the rolling shutter and moire in the Panasonic make it unusable for professional applications. Of course a lot of this is subjective so I'm just interjecting my own bias here :-)
@@VeganLinkedand it’s getting shutter angle in literally 3 months too. It’s just a firmware update. I honestly think that’s a sus reason to not like a Camera
does fx30 really have a 4/3 crop on raw?@@sacramentofoodforest
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Thank you for watching!!
The limix s5 has dual native iso in Vlog 640 & 4000, and you shot at the widest end of the first native iso 3200 which made the lumix s5 way more noisy.
Yeah that was a really weird part of this video I don't see how he or why he did that
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Take the FX30 in 4k and S5-II in 6k then crop in 50% on both in a 4k timeline,...BOOM!...you will see the S5-II 6k advantage immediately.
Also there is Sigma fp and Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k for 12-bit raw.
Thank you for this review! I am definately leaning toward the s5ii or s5iix.
second auto focus test, the dynamic range in s5ii was phenomenal.
Very fun video!😅
The S5II also has 2 REC buttons if you count the shutter button that also work as a REC button. Plus, i’m pretty sure you can assign a function button to REC as well if you need it.
Thank you!!
S5II all the way. Not perfect, but no hesitation here.
Let's gooooo!!!
leggooo
@@jacobreubenaglipa5669 leggo my eggo s5II my vote
Bought two S5 II's for my channel. I considered the FX30 but the Lumix just gives you more.
Except for rolling shutter and moire making your end product look like a chump
Do you use Davinci color managment for footage or just edit log directly? Without color management or corrective LUTs, log colors will look weird because the color space hasn't been corrected for. Once corrected, theoretically all log footage looks the same, the difference being dynamic range mainly.
I color grade log directly
@@KenseiAkatsu you do you!
Great video! Thanks!
There’s no way the Sony fx30 is a better video camera.. the lumix shoots 6k internal . Apart from that it matches the fx30 on everything and does most things better for video shooters.. the scopes and things like shutter angle are cine camera features.Vlog is way better for colour grading imo.
Full frame does make a difference that’s why the fx3 is double the price of the fx30.
I think the original s5 is better than the fx30 . Put a manual cine lens on both and the original s5 would be the better video camera over the fx30. Just my opinion though. Great video 👍
I know man. This video was a sigh of relief for all Sony fangirls, coping and seething lol. Either way, Lumix wiped the floor with the sony
@tyronnezx yep
I was hard in between the FX30, the XH2S, and the S5IIX as a beginner hybrid camera and ended up purchasing the Lumix due to the raw value of having an actual good lense with the lense kit with an INCLUDED 50mm prime lens for $2300!!! Times are hard out here and the value just can't be beat!
But what about the rolling shutter and moire?
Hi , I am trying out a Lumix S5 that I borrowed a few days ago, , I would like to know what you think of the quality of the 20/70, which I saw you used and which is not expensive
Not that bad, but not too good.
7:00 you may have your own picture profiles on Lumix S series if the preinstalled not good also you may tweak them as you like
I am loving my FX 30 (and no problem with lower light/higher ISO ....) - but - as your analysis correctly points out- both of these cameras are great. In fact every camera on the market currently can produce images/videos that even a few years ago would have been the envy of the highest end cinema cameras. The FX 30 specs are very close to the (original) Arri Mini Alexa - tons of movies and shows were and are still being shot on that camera (The Last of Us for example). Lighting/lenses/framing/post production is what sets images apart now- not the quality of a camera sensor.
Good point!!
I agree!
Waveforms? Shutter angle? Dynamic range? Low light? Anamorphic support WITH ibis? I mean…I own the fx30 but it’s not really arguable. The s5ii IS the better camera for video AND photo.
Why I'm going lumix is the frequent and important firmware updates, over time the feature gap is just getting even bigger!
any hope for either getting a slow motion firmware update?...to 240 or 480?
In combat, the main advantage is weapons, so lumix guarantees us a surprise for the enemy, I really appreciate Sony and I would compare it with Sony Alpha a7 III, as for Sony FX30, this is a different camera specifically for video
Both cameras are incredible for the price. I'm just suprised at how close they are in performance! 😮
Yes they are!
Hello , Its that matter the lumix s5ii only at 640 iso ??
S5ii easily. I do feel you went easier on the fx30
Hey I got a question. I am deciding between Sony 18-105 F.4 (Aps-c) and the Sony 24-105 F.4 (FF) for the Sony FX30. Which one would you recommend me? I would appreciate your advice!
Basically I recommend you to use aps-c lenses for aps-c cameras!
If you want to buy Full Frame in the future, the Sony 24-105 F/4 is worth a closer look. But if the FX30 is going to be an A-camera, the 18-105 G is better, as it has great stabilizer and tranfocator. The lens itself is cheaper and lighter.
Thank you for the replies but I have another question to you. Would you recommend the FX30 or the new ZV-E1 when it comes down to "unprofessional solo cinematic film making"? I am really torn apart on that topic and would love to know your thoughts on that. Also, I can't wait for the upcoming ZV-E1 video! :)
@@ryu.motion They complement each other. If you will record short scenes, you need UHD rather than DCI 4K, not confused by the flimsy body and has an old generation screen then E1 is probably the best choice for you. If they came out at the same time I would choose the E1 for art. The beauty of it is the second base ISO of 12800. If a lot of night scenes are intended, the camera is better suited because the working ISO on the FX30 ends in the 3200-6400 range. 12800 on the FX30 is just "the picture is garbage". However, at 2500-3200 ISO, the E1 will no longer have an advantage over the FX30. I would recommend to have both cameras or save up for the FX3. But FF optics will empty the wallet.
It's not the camera that creates the beauty, it's you! With the proper wit, you can shoot with cheaper devices as well.
And if I get a thousand subscribers on my channel, I will definitely test the ZV-E1. By the way, I tested the FX30 with the A7S2 (FF) and in terms of noise in 4K the cameras were 99% identical. The FX30 even has more detail. But this is in SLOG, where both cameras have minimal noise reduction.
I think I maybe in love with #s5II log dynamic range and highlight rolloff.
S5 mark ii vs Fuji h2s?
S5II recording audio in 24 bit, FX30 in 16 bit. S5II have much better stabilization. S5II is full frame and is better to making photo. S5II have evf. S5II have 6k mode. Fx30 is lighter, lens are cheaper but how much lens we realy need? Two? Maybe three? In Poland we can buy S5II and Fx30 in the same price. I have problem with make final decision witch one is better for me, but objectively i think that S5II is better. Even if we don't talk about photography, but only video. Thanks for your job.
Excellent video...
But, wouldn't a better comparison be FX30 vs Lumix GH6 for two video cameras?
A7 iv AND s5iix FOR ME
Coming from a sony fanboy, this video was fun to watch, considering almost all of your statements were biased towards the sony.
LOL
Great video!
Thanks!
Great video, Kensei! I was back and forth between the FX30 and S5II the past few months when I finally pulled the trigger on an open-box deal for the S5II. Decided going full frame for my outdoor content would be the best especially with the variable lighting I have to deal with at times.
Glad you found your answer!
Hope you have a great life with him!!!
Are you having any problems with rolling shutter and moire yet or are you just doing consumer end productions and not noticing?
@@VeganLinkedso fx30 doesn't have moire?
Is that what you're saying?
@@imisibamiro4906 I haven't tested it for that yet but it's my understanding this is more problematic with the Lumix and probably because it has more megapixels and sharper image. I think that's why the FX3 has less make a pixels also. I was editing a video yesterday I shot with my a6600 and I noticed moire but what was interesting is it only appeared on one monitor not the other.
Awesome opening:) very unique. Great video
Thank you! Glad you liked it!
This is my new fav. Channel. The way you create is really genius. I’m so close to grabbing the fx30, but the sd card prices are out of my budget. S5ii v60 will work great. Fx30 would need at least v90-CfE. Wish I could use the v60 for this 😢
you can use v60 on the fx3/30..just not on the highest settings and frankly you wont notice much difference if you are not heavily grading.
@@loudmotion5639 cool thx
Yeah if you're on a little budget you're not going to want to use codex that take up a lot of space so you'll be fine with less expensive SD cards. And you're going to want to back them up after a shoot right away which will ultimately end up on those SSD drives You're going to be accumulating
On S5II you can change the noise reduction settings in the camera to have less noise is low light situations.
I think you could turn noise reduction off and on in the FX30. But that's probably something better to deal with in post maybe?
I feel like its a solid conclusion from you. I find s5ii much more suitable for value concious people where they're doing hybrid works. FX30 is a gateway into cinematography since its build for it.
It would be way harder for me to choose between s5iix vs a7iv since both have same purposes, despite the price difference.
Overall I enjoyed the video, thank you
Thank you for watching!
That’s true!
A7IV vs S5II will be the great comparison video!!!
The a74 is several years old though wouldn't a better comparison be with the ZVE 1? Although I haven't really looked at that camera enough to know if it has things like dual card slots and a fan
S5ii integrates with Dji lidar with no need for focus motor, also Lmount is now a Bmpcc standard. Sony is all alone.
Poor sony bros. they will goto a camp and sing koomaiya tonight to cope
01:41 - The road sign lol... I lived in Hachioji and years later, I lived near Keio-Hatsudai Station.
great video thank you
do u feel the absence of viewfinder in fx3 and fx30 is a deal breaker?
Not that much.
You will get used to it
@@KenseiAkatsu what do u think abt the absence of continuous photos in fx30 during a run n gun situation where u also need to shoot some photos along with ur videos. And also have u faced any difficulty while shooting without a viewfinder? { 1.Below bright sunlight, 2. camera stability}
S5 iix any day. I love my camera and iix I feel like there is no comparing them shooting 6k Apple pro res raw or 6k braw for this price. Also my s5 iix goes to 100 iso, sounds off for the s5 ii to stop at 640. Maybe mines is more cinema focused?
The sony fx30 is very tempting. but...
Sony is annoyed that there is no image stabilizer like in the lumix, which I think is more difficult to fix with post-production than anything else, if you are shooting videos, the lumix s5iix is a safer weapon!!!
Yes!!
I agree, Lumix has the ridiculously strong IS!!
so lumix is better...2 in 1, very good FF hybrid camera
Definitely, if you're into photography and videography, s5ii.
Part of why I am in this video world is to learn and hopefully come up with my own color and visual expression. That is often overlooked in many reviews. What I am getting from the camera, is the main question to ask your self. With the FX30 you are getting Sony pro workflows on a budge. It's a great camera for that and for rigging. Is such a beautify journey to learn cinematography.
I think so !
FX30 is a great gateway to the cinematography!
Yeah that's exactly what I'm learning and hoping to get out of my FX30. It's putting my big toe in the water toward becoming more cinematic with my skills. Like not having an EVF, well you can tether and EVF to it and that ends up being better... That's what you would do with a rig anyways. :-)
The thing I'm struggling with right now is getting away from my old run and gun self that makes the in body stabilization on the Panasonic more attractive. Instead with the Sony FX30 I want to be more concerned with image quality which requires planning and anticipating the shot more, in which case the more cinematic thing to do would be to use a gimbal. That Panasonic is very attractive and really making me question my FX30 that I can still return. But at the end of the day I keep going back to the FX30 because I'm afraid of potential problems with rolling shutter in the Panasonic and moire. Also while autofocus isn't really a cinematic thing to depend on, more and more cinematic shooters are depending on it and Sony is definitely a winner here. Especially considering the fact that the Panasonic gets even worse with autofocus when you use a filter to remove the moire.
One million question : what's the button "6" on the front of the FX30 camera please ? For sure the S5II build quality is very high, one step higher compare to the sony A7R4 !
I still think the Fujifilm XH2s is the real comparison here…
Not for video shooting
@@mica.motion Ok, educate me? The fact that I have now used all three commercially gives me experience to suggest its worthiness as a comparison. But please do enlighten me with your views from the sideline having never compared them all yourself.
The question becomes even harder with Sony A6700 available now, its a much smaller and compact body compared to S5II, smaller lenses which are cheaper, shoots 4k30 and 4k60 with no crop whereas S5II has crop in 4k60 mode its not ideal.
S5II lenses are also very heavy, even small Sigma 28-70mm F2.8 is smallest full frame fast zoom lens but still twice as heavy as the Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 for Sony and Fuji X mount APS-C. So its hard to say, for portability the Sony will win even the FX30 is lighter setup, but for hybrid work the A6700 is superior in price and size, the S5 II has superior image quality, the sensor has a far more analogue feel to it as well, it renders highlight much nicer than Sony cameras but really, most people do not care, FX30 can shoot wonderful video as well and content is far more important, Sony are easier machines to use while Panasonic is a very specialist tool, I own both and I much prefer Sony for its small size, you can pack entire body with multiple lenses and gimbal in one small photo bag, but for Panasonic I had to use briefcase with wheels on it to move around same amount of equipment.
The a6700 has micro HDMI, suffers from over heating and only contains a single card slot. The Canon R7 would be a better alternative.
So, Lumix S5IIX would be even closer to FX30, perhaps better in some instances? I'm trying to get back into photography/videography, and i'm stuck between the Lumix S5IIX or FX30. Price on sony is crazy, but someone here just mentioned there is an issue of a full frame lens on lunix? Any suggestions?
I experience no issues with my S5ii or its lenses
@@tyronnezxhey can you suggest me best lence for lumix s5ii. For filming
@@chandu_yb7 i dont do filming man. But i have the 20mm, 35, 50 and the 85. They are phenomenal. If you want filming lenses, there are loads of sirui lenses that you can pair with a focus puller that would create an amazing rig for you
Great video and I subscribed because the editing is great and I love the humor. Hey so I know there's a massive price difference between the FX3 And Lumix S5 mark 2 However they do seem comparable and it doesn't see anybody's comparing them because of that price difference. Main features that make me want to go lumix. "Even though I've been a Sony shooter for many years now". Is that open gate and black magic raw external recorded. Anyway, if you have the resources, time and want to compare the FX3 and Lumix S5 mark 2... Well I would certainly watch that video. Regardless probably be watching your videos from here on out anyway... I don't know.... Great stuff dude.
Very good comparison. But just two things : the S5II has wooble (corner vibration) only below 24mm, from 24mm the IBIS is fantastic, much better than Sony FX30. Also, while the S5II IBIS is really great in 4K, the performance decreases a lot in 6K, it's much more difficult to walk without getting big jumps when using this resolution. And finally, the S5II has more noise in Log, indeed, but Panasonic uses much less noise reduction than Sony in Log. However, it's more complicated with non-log profiles because the S5II uses now more chroma noise reduction than on the S5 mark I.
Thank you for the detailed information!!!!
I've done a lot of testing of the FX30 and in SLOG3 this camera has minimal noise reduction. Comparable to the Lumix S5. The FX30 has a number of flaws with image processing, artifacts that still remain even with the Atomos Ninja V.
@@AlekseyMakeev good to know, I had the A7III and A7SIII, these cameras used a lot of noise reduction. Do you know if the FX30 uses a lot of noise reduction with non log profiles? The first S5 is great with these profiles, fine details are not altered.
@@slows728 HLG and Cine1,2,3,4 have stronger noise reduction.
@@AlekseyMakeev Too bad, thank you.
S5 ii can shoot 100 iso
640 in vlog is a native iso.. so it’s really clean.. think is duel Native like og s5 and 4000 iso is as clean as 640.
the s5ii has so much more to offer. especially with the new firmware update. i take that without a question. i watched over 100 videos of the s5ii and everyone showed another special thing this cam can do. you really need your time to dive into this world. also i love that you can make good photos with it.
bro s5ii x vs fx30
can u tell which one is better
FX30 for video
Please make Sony Fx30 vs Fujifilm Xh2s video
On the way!!
The s5ii is a hybrid camera packed with video features. It is not mainly a photography camera at all. A very biased review. With much love, the guy with the toxic mindset x
Lol you are the first guy on youtube who said "Lumix is photo camera with video specs". Its a hybrid camera and when it comes to both photos and videos, it knocks fx30 out of the park. I guess its difficult for Sony users reviewing Lumix to accept how good it really is.
Just imagine Sony cinema line with 6k (and internal raw if possible)... I think the ecosystem would crush almost any other brand. Thanks for the comparison!
That allows me to sell my bmpcc6k lol
Internal raw, you must not shoot a lot or do very large projects or archive for future use. Just having 4k 10-bit 422 is overwhelming enough space-wise
These are many points you missed, to be s5ii looks way better in Low light.
You said s5ii has the lowest ISO 640 and Sony has 200, you are wrong 640 is in vlog while Sony slog is 640 I guess or 800.
S5ii has good photo specs compare to fx30 as well .
I own Sony but might switch to S5ii for the open gate feature only
I was surprised when he failed to adress that. I can easily get down to 100iso on the Lumix for photos
@@tyronnezx sometimes they are in so in love with Sony that they consider other brand as nothing just to back up their investments lol
At 6;19. The stability of the s5ii... killed the fx30
I own both. The S5ii destroys the FX30. It basically comes down to what lenses do you already own.
I think a better comparison would be the sony a7iv or a7v as those are hybrid cameras if im not mistaken. Very good review though as im looking into both
What about the ZVE1 since that's newer like the Panasonic ?
I think you were subtly tilted towards the FX30, not elaborating on the advantages of the S5II as you do with the FX.
That said, both are great cameras.
Thanks for the review.
I think so.
I’ve been shooting on Sony cameras for many years, so couldn’t help it lol
@@KenseiAkatsu lol. Fair enough.
@@KenseiAkatsu I mean at least you're honest about your bias. makes this video useless however
Brother what is your main video camera ❤️❤️
FX30 now!
This would be very different if you conpared the Fx3 to the S52.. the fx30 isnt full frame so.. i dont understand the conparison
FF and APSC
They are not that different
this channel Is going to hit at least 100k sub
It will!
The S5/S1/S1H/S5 II has more dynamic range and superior noise performance at high ISO's. FX30 may look cleaner sometimes as you cannot disable noise reduction at the second base ISO.
my man has an s5III
3:07 in Lumix S5ii you are able to arrange it even better than FX30…
So heres the thing; despite all the spec comparisons the FX30 just looks more 'cinematic'. I have an S52 and it looks great, but I'm conflicted because there's a special character to those Sony images. S5 just looks a little more digital.
That's probably because of the higher megapixel count on the Lumix. That's why the cinematic lineup in the sonys have lower megapixel sensors I think. And I think this is why the Panasonic has issues with moire because it's too sharp. And then when you add a filter to reduce the issue suddenly focusing now falls apart on the Panasonic.
It's also so...based on....lens choice?? there's nothing digital about my s5iix with my canon fd 50 1.4 on it lmao
how is focus tho?@@AutumnHxze
I have that lens... so... lmao roflcopter@@AutumnHxze
Amazing end
i appreciate your work on this thing.
but you largely have little idea what you are talking about. it s really cute.
but you really are the general user out there. i love it.
and, no. the S5II s minimum ISO is 50. look it up. you have to manhandle those settings.
THAT's the Cinema Camera. Not the soulless Sony. Sony will always win on tech, and the speed of it being implemented. But by the time the others reach it, they usually put some soul into it. i d love the FX3 for example. but it does not have adequate cinemateic support for that price tag. just a full frame 4k 120p pumping machine.
Why when we talk video, do you compare the FX30 with th S5ii, and not the S5iiX (If you want video all the way, than compare it with the right version at least)
Good point!!!
MY OPINION. Sony menu is the worst of the worst and lumix has the best menu. Besides, you dont know which resolution can work with specific framerate. While on lumix everything is on the same pages.
The Vlog is so much bettteerrr than the slog3. Slog3 exposure is always missed. You need to shoot 1 stop brighter, while Lumix always nail the exposure.
The bigger the sensor the more light you can get, but it doesnt matter with today tech. So yes, sensor size is not that crucial anymore.
Lumix s5 monitor is soo much brighter than fx3 monitor, i think it also the same in s5ii vs fx30 case.
Yes, I do missed front record button and tally light, would love to exchange that with a viewfinder.
The color of lumix is so so much nicer than sony. I used to shoot fx3 and S5 several times to tried. I choose s5 despite the worst autofocus and now I upgrade to s5iix, I am happy with it.
Anyway, I am professional video shooter within 10 years of experience.
A comparação não foi 100% justo. Ambas são excelentes câmeras e ambas tem seus pontos fortes e pontos fracos. O foco automático são praticamente iguais e são muito bons. Estabilização a Panasonic sempre foi melhor nisso que qualquer outra marca, a panasonic nunca foi boa no AF mas agora com a Lumix S5II ela finalmente deu um grande salto evolutivo. Full Frame tem um desfoque mais intenso e por isso traz um buque mais interessante. A comparação no iso não foi justo com a Panasonic S5II, nisso ela ganha da FX30 disparado, não tem jeito, sensor aps-c não compete com sensor FF.
Qualidade de imagem ambas são imbativeis, porém a noite a Lumix S5II supera a FX30 pois o uso de iso alto é destrutivo e nisso a FX30 cai bastante.
Eu ficaria satisfeito com qualquer uma das duas, mas se eu puder escolher, vou de Lumix S5II com certeza. Atualmente eu uso Fuji e Sony e ambas me atendem bem, mas pretendo migrar para a Lumix S5II muito em breve pois faço muitos eventos a noite e uma FF me cairia bem.
S5ii all the way! Got 3x s5ii and 1 s5iix.. we shoot weddings and events 95% of the time… HANDHELD 😤
8:50 gotta Shot at iso4000 to remove that noise
Entertaining & informative. I luv it. Wish all reviews were like this. The other youtube camera reviewers out there should enroll in the Kensei Akatsu Super Reviewer Course, Cost: 1 Million Yen! 😎😎
Thank you!!
Great video. I wish the Panasonic autofocus were more reliable. Over its life, it will probably get updates on that. But no guarantees it will be fixed. If I had to buy right now, I'd probably go for the FX30. However, I see the Panasonic S5iix as having more possibility. Ibis. EVF. Lots of fun photo stuff to play with. But that is just me, personally.
LOL. How much autofocus do you need? I find the S5ii does just as good as Sony. You do need to tune it out of the box
@@tyronnezx Thank you for the reply. I'm glad you have experience with both Sony and Panasonic. I shoot UA-cam videos with my phone and an action camera, but I'd like more detail, especially in lower light. I'm thinking of either the a6700 or the s5m2....well, you know....at the moment. One use I'd like to put it to is recording me while I teach. I'd probably be moving around a bunch and using props or flashcards. Another use is where I'll be holding the camera while man-on-the-street interviewing somebody (with both of us in frame, if possible). In either case, nobody would be behind the camera, so I'm leery of the s5m2 losing focus while I can't pay attention. But when I'm not in front of the camera, the s5m2 has so much more to offer. Any thoughts?🙂
@@chrisquigley honestly the S5ii out of the box is not the greatest with the autofocus until you download the latest available update and tune it. Once you got that down pat, id say its about 99% there with sony. As with any camera you will need to learn how to use the various focus modes. But Panasonic is so easy to learn..this whole review was a biased one against Panasonic. Both a6700 and the fx30 will get mopped by the Panasonic if you give it a chance. Maybe rent both, and see which one will suit your needs.
@@tyronnezx Thank you so much. I'll think on it. Renting is a good idea, too.
better production quality 👌
I think if Sony wanted to they could’ve put 6K in FX3/30.
You can't physically do 6K in FX3. But in FX30 it can be changed by firmware, but a huge amount of noise on the sensor, which is now hidden by downscaling and visible at 120 frames per second, will float away.
They are different tools for different people. FX30 is better if it suits your needs. S5II is better if it suits your needs. Don't think that just because it fits your needs better, it's a better camera overall for others too.
Well said!!!!
@@KenseiAkatsu Senpai noticed me
Review canon R8
Make it even harder for me to decide. I guess I’ll get a6700 and buy external fan. 😅
bruh you didnt use the lumix dual native iso
“Salad” 🤣
Isn’t is? Lol
wouldn't the a7iv be a closer comparison tho? haha both FF but shoot apsc crop 4k60
and both camera top out at 180hd or something
but i love the intro anyway hahaha super funny
Sony A74 is the comparison not crop sensor FX30.
Very cool review , the big big difference is the firmware update lumix updates are for all cameras regardless if they are older , Sony just get updates for the new ones , that is a shame even the Sony A1 the most expensive of the line did not get firmware’s update 😮 LUMIX is clearly more customers oriented 😅that’s a BIG win 😊
Haha, but sadly everyone is copying Sony lately..the OG s5 wont have any update anymore and I believe the camera is only out for less than 2.5 years and the last update was 1 year ago...that got to be the shortest life span a body had before being replaced lol.. fx3 are still getting updates and yes sadly the alpha line is being neglected by sony..feels sad for people who got the a1 and zero updates.
@@loudmotion5639 fuck this industry as so little respect it is as always profits profits profits ….
So far Zcam as provided updates for all the line up I think I will join the zcam alliance ;)
@@loudmotion5639 LOL. what updates do you need in the s5? its a near-perfect camera, save for the autofocus. But people that buy it, know what they are getting. Either way, Panasonic is on another level with updates
That’s because the S5 X2 has no AA filter. So shaper image
POV: when a sony Fanboy makes the comparison, even Sony 6000 is better than all the cameras in the market. LoL
No, the cam to compare is the a7 IV - which has no fan. The FX30 ist APS-C....
U can have the best image, best colors,best focus but withou good stabilization its all useless. Especially if u want to level up and to shoot anamorphic or cine lenses who lack autofocus the best way to go is handheld and without good ibis and focusing handheld at the same time is challenging ...Carrying Gimbals all the time wil break your back
Great review however something I didn’t see stated. Sony provides only firmware for bug fixes. Lumix not only fixed bugs in firmware. They also provide additional features. At times this can bring your old camera to life. If the Lumix community wants something added and it’s possible chances are it will get added as a new feature.
Actually this isn't true, at least according to Sony they are adding new features to older cameras via firmware updates
@@VeganLinked that would be awesome if they did.
@@sdhute yeah I just did a quick Google search and it looked like back in November they mentioned or somebody mentioned they were going to be doing that. That would be great because I own so many cameras and I have a hard time selling them when I upgrade. So would be fun to pull those out and see what new things they can do
@@VeganLinked watched a few of your videos are you using the fx30 for those of so do you recommend it?
No, I'm using a6600's and it's mostly run and gun with those. I have three. I may sell them if you're interested. But, I'm not going to work hard trying to sell them because I do love them. I did buy the fx30 recently. I did a run and gun test with it last minute with no picture profile but I started off over exposed because I had OEV plus 2 for slog3 and was in a rush and didn't set it up for no picture profile. But because I shot it in 10 bit I still was able to bring it down decent in post and better than I would be able to with the a6600's. But, I shot it in 60fps (which I normally don't) and that 10 bit 422 with 4KS was huge and a lot harder for my processer and rendering took way longer, like 6 times longer for some reason I think: ua-cam.com/video/FXKnhn5OVl4/v-deo.htmlsi=WlENyJH8LNhJGOwb
So, personally, I'll probably shoot mostly with my a6600's unless I sell them. Because the a6600 are probably overkill even and I can easily cut 4K 8bit 420 with several cameras and other assets and color and transitions and keying, etc... and render fast at the highest bitrate and although the render may ultimately be 3 times less the bit rate it's still overkill.
Also, because my channel is a passion project I do it all free and it's so much work and time I haven't spent time trying to color match and get more dynamic range. I could probably get more dynamic range out of my a6600's shooting in slog and definitely if I went out to an atomos. I have an atomos even and never have used it for high bitrate recording or more raw codecs. I've only used it for capturing presentations on a rare occasion. I've just never needed to do anything beyond lighting it if I can and exposing it properly, focusing, and white balancing, mic and roll. I have a hotshoe dual xlr for my a6600's too.
I LOVE the fx30. It's absolutely better than the a6600's. Will it get a better picture in the end, totally depends... some of the videos on my channel could have used more dynamic range, maybe a wider shot at times. But, I needed my workflow to be easy, fast, be compact for travel, not use up too much space file storage so I can store a hundreds of hours of assets from multiple angles, look as good as possible for very low/no budget, and just work. I bought these a6600 over three years ago and have loved them ever since.
I mostly got the fx30 to learn how to rig up a camera and get use to larger formats. This way there will be less of a learning curve if/when I get a full frame. At this rate though the market seems so unpredictable and my needs don't demand it I don't know when I'll get into full frame. I may weight until at least April to see and decide. Panasonic has been laying low for a while, but so has sony with a new version of their cameras that have been dominating the market at least for me.
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