The player names are Jacqueline Pham (green shoes) & Ed Tang (pink shirt) vs Denise DeSalvo & Owen Pilgrim (both in black). I happened to be nearby shortly before the match began and decided to stick around to record this video. I have no connection to any of the four players and didn't have time to ask their names before the match started. I am not an official announcer or commentator. Thanks for watching!
Sorry but we have much better competition at Mckenzie Creek Pickleball courts. This seems like an easy match for our star players. It shows how good our competition is there.
@@creativestudio101 Longgg time ago...players were doing the same thing in ping pong......so it was decided that players could not do that anymore because it ruined the game.....This is not a circus with clowns playing...If you have skill use your racket....The decision to ban was correct.........
Most of the players I play with have no idea what the fundamentals are. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Hitting the ball with an open stance is a common mistake and starting the paddle too low is another.
Perfect example of just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. No other offense besides that spin serve - made me angry for the other team! Love the commentary on this vid, awesome channel!
I agree, the spin serve should have been illegal, felt bad for the opposing team. I find if a guy does that, just walk away, and say 'you win' and be done with it. It takes the enjoyment out not just for the opposing team, but for any spectators as well. I certainly would have had something to say to him, and probably would have used him as a target with a good serve to the body. A cheat is always a cheat.
As a beginning player, I, too, focused on weaponizing the serve; however, serving aces is boring for most in rec play. I now change-up serves (and usually just pop it into play) to focus on the soft game. Yeah, I can still bend a kick serve, tho winning a point that way feels unsatisfying. I’m in this for FUN, so I try to play to the level of the foursome.
Well said, Pickleball is suppose to be fun, unless you are truly making $$ playing, then it's a business. I've served aces as well, and stopped doing so, as you could see the deflation in the other team. I choose to find the holes between players, or go down the line, giving them a fighting chance and working different hits as a challenge. Heck, I don't even have to win every game, as if it's a newer player in the particular grouping, I'll give them some easy shots, just so they can stay in the play and have fun!
Good attitude indeed. Most recreational play is to socialize and have some fun. If you serve in a way that the other team fails to return, the game will end in 5 minutes ... what's the point? @@Powerstroke98
Only two minutes into the match, I am asking myself out loud as to why the losing team (at this time) is playing to the man and not focusing on hitting all balls to the female as she is obviously the weaker opponent. In doubles, whether it is tennis or pickleball, if you want to win, AND THAT IS THE POINT OF ENTERING A COMPETITION.... TO COMPETE AND WIN, the SMART play is to play the weaker opponent regardless of age or gender.
I swear 95% of pros have illegal serves .. Rules officials really need to get that kind of stuff in check if this game is ever going to be taken more seriously.
Personally, I never did understand how the spin serve was allowed to be used as the serve rules state the ball cannot be propelled up or down before the serve. The ball is clearly propelled in a spin serve which should have made it illegal to begin with.
I've been playing about a year and I still don't really understand how the ratings work. Either that or a lot of the commenters here don't. I'm not being snarky and implying that the commenters here don't understand how the rankings work. It could be me that doesn't understand. And I want to understand. They have more-or-less objective criteria to determine ratings, but nobody seems to go by those. By those criteria these players are easily at least 3.5s, but the way players are actually rated in the real world seems to rate players somewhat lower than the criteria would indicate. Unless I'm missing something, the way players are rated in the real world is by playing each other and playing in tournaments like this. If you are in the gold medal match in the 3.5 section at this tournament, how could you not be at least a 3.5? I ask the commenters below who say these are 3.0 players: What criteria are you using to conclude that they are 3.0 players?
Guys that is NOT a chainsaw serve. If you’re going to be a PB commentator, do some basic research. That is simply a spin serve. While you are here on Google, you can look up what a chainsaw serve really is - it ain’t this.
This is 3.5? Not really. Anyway, that guy with the spin serve is not as good after the serve as the other guy. The guy in. black has BAD positioning IMO.
That spin serve is really annoying, and I'm glad it's banned-but the returning team could have had a lot more success by backing up more from the baseline. They're way too close considering what how deep he's putting that serve.
THIS is a gold medal 60+ match? LOL Our daily pickup games, mostly 60+, are significantly at a higher level, without question. Few volleys even go past 3-4 shots before an unforced error.
I love this game. I started playing and in 2 months I lost 65 ibs. Which was crazy, I just started playing it for fun, and bamb!! I was getting physically fit at the same time. Great exercise.
What a bunch of jokers are the team in all black. Illegal serve and calling obvious balls out. They are why some are turned off by pickleball adherents.
It's amazing how that serve hopped so drastically to the right of the returner, when the server's paddle movement made it look like it should hop to the left! I played a guy hwo had that shot once.....they are really tought to return. Best to short hop them , and inch or two behind the bounce adn loft them down the middle....cut it off before they hop to the side......
Spin serve should illegal game was invented for serve to be hit to put ball in play quite a simple way to put ball in play to start match. Just heard you say banned this year good always a person looking to stretch rules to win.
Two great videos for pickleball. Hand coordination gained by juggling ua-cam.com/video/BaXWuA_mxe0/v-deo.html and how to practice focusing on the ball ua-cam.com/users/shortsO1egKCoZ3RM
You don't know what you're watching. These are 4.0+ players in the real world. They are sandbagging and the reason they are in the final of a 3.5 tournament bracket. they should no longer be allowed to compete at this level after winning and/or making the final. Time to move up to 4.0 and let other lower level players have a shot at the gold.
I'm curious how well they will do when they no longer have that serve. It is undoubtedly a great serve but knowing that it was illegal in the past and will be illegal again would make me feel like I didn't really win.
The only weapon that spin server has is his serve and his “muscle” shots. No finesse at all. Once the spin serve is gone for him not sure what else he has in his tool box.
The guy in black shirt does not have the pickleball spirit. I know it was a gold medal match, but ,,,,,,Besides, by the time the game took place, we all new this prior to serve ball spin would be banned. Definetely this guy now will have to learn how to play pickleball.
I didn’t know the spin serve was illegal. A good player should be able to return that no problem, I am surprised at how poorly they do and I am not trying to be cocky at all.
For those who don't understand why a serve like that is being banned don't understand the politics and business end of any sport. ALL sports evolve and generate RULES to make the game competitive to play and interesting to watch. As PB evolves, grows in popularity and is taken more seriously there will be dozens of rules changed to adapt. Also it's why you can't just show up with any old racquet you want there are 'rules' - 'standards', why is that? Have you seen the radical rule changes over the years in baseball to make it a more offensive game to encourage higher scores? Rules on how the pitcher can pitch, banned movements, banned grips, stances and now even pitchers and batters will be under time constraints. Rules to keep the game competitive both ways and they are always evolving, adapting to meet that expectation. Like banning the infield shift in baseball (2023 season), you cannot block the plate, slide into players intentionally, avoiding contact at the bases, Why? to allow teams to compete on a more even scale (and yes, in some cases to decrease injuries). All, at one point, were part of some team's strategies (ask Pete Rose). Hockey, lacrosse, have changed rules against certain sticks that gave players a huge advantage. At one time they were legal now they are not, and on and on. No one wants to watch (or play against) some trickster with a nearly impossible serve to return winning 11-0 game after game solely on the serves. Save it for exhibitions like one day maybe with the New 'PB Harlem Globetrotters' tour. Pros, who can train against it if they had too because they have countless hours of court time, video replay, trainers, coaches, equipment etc. to work against such odd, difficult and uncommon serves, 99% of the rest of us do not, but that is a waste of time and money even for the pros. Difficult enough training for the already standard plays. Look, I'm a competitor and believe in developing my skills to defend against tough players, but rarely would I be able to train and develop the skill necessary to defend against some new tricky, sneaky swing esp. during a tournament or in league play should that show up. No time to adjust and I'd be wasting away points trying to figure it out. So level the playing field, let players play with expected universal standards (like every other established sport in the world) and the better prepared team, in a fair fight, will prevail. Trust me (or not) you have not seen the last of game altering rule changes in this sport, not by a long shot. There's already talk of changing the balls and the scoring (more like tennis, easier for fans to follow), heck I even heard the name may change to be more appealing to draw interest across a more general audience. Welcome to progress, like it or not.
That just pretty much makes pickleball an even lower skill game than it already is, God... It really should have remained a pastime and not a "sport", like really...
@@MorphousInfinity I know.. and I don't have nothing against pickleball specifically, other "sports" that should have remained pastimes are baseball, golf, etc etc etc ha ha
This crap of allowing these illegal serves is disgusting. The original inventors of pickleball never intended the serve to be dominant like it is in tennis. What a crime against pickleball!!
The player names are Jacqueline Pham (green shoes) & Ed Tang (pink shirt) vs Denise DeSalvo & Owen Pilgrim (both in black). I happened to be nearby shortly before the match began and decided to stick around to record this video. I have no connection to any of the four players and didn't have time to ask their names before the match started. I am not an official announcer or commentator. Thanks for watching!
I deleted my comment and I apologize, I was rude and obviously didn't understand the situation. 🫤 carry on
Sorry but we have much better competition at Mckenzie Creek Pickleball courts. This seems like an easy match for our star players. It shows how good our competition is there.
The spin server is Torrey pilgrim according to DUPR
Now that the spin serve is illegal, this guy is going to have to learn how to actually play pickleball.
It is illegal? Why is that? It should be legal for God's sake
@@creativestudio101 2023 rules, its illegal. Also, your tears are delicious.
@@PeterCacioppi lol, I’m glad it’s banned too.
4:45 the ball was in dumb biatch.
@@creativestudio101 Longgg time ago...players were doing the same thing in ping pong......so it was decided that players could not do that anymore because it ruined the game.....This is not a circus with clowns playing...If you have skill use your racket....The decision to ban was correct.........
Most of the players I play with have no idea what the fundamentals are. They keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Hitting the ball with an open stance is a common mistake and starting the paddle too low is another.
Pickleball is all open stance. Nipples to net always.
That one team is clearly not 3.5
Love the illegal serve
His serve isn’t illegal. The one-handed pickleball pre-spun serve is now banned.
Without that gimmick serve...they'd be two and out.
I’d be embarrassed to be using a serve that has already been ruled illegal. Just because you can still use it til January doesn’t mean you should.
Nice job, fun game to watch. Glad that serve will no longer be allowed, at least at this level.
Looks like the spin serve is his only game.
Yup
interesting to see his ranking after the spin serve is no longer legal.
It definitely helps his game for sure but he had some great returns that were crisp and deep. I wouldn’t say it’s his only attribute.
Perfect example of just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. No other offense besides that spin serve - made me angry for the other team! Love the commentary on this vid, awesome channel!
You're my kind of opponent. Bitch about how I would play and I'd love that. :)
@@scottysmediaproductions Kind of a weirdly aggressive kink.
I agree, the spin serve should have been illegal, felt bad for the opposing team. I find if a guy does that, just walk away, and say 'you win' and be done with it. It takes the enjoyment out not just for the opposing team, but for any spectators as well. I certainly would have had something to say to him, and probably would have used him as a target with a good serve to the body. A cheat is always a cheat.
here in 2024.. isn't that serve "Illegal now".. I'm sort of a newbie . and really don't know, but tought I read that.1
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Were dinks not allowed in this match?
not much finesse in this one
It’s a heavy windy time drop shot doesn’t work and they’re only 3.5 players
They’re clearly 3.5 😂
Bangers gotta bang
No dinks only dunks
Brutal serve from Owen. He's going to miss having that weapon in 2023.
Why won't be have it? Was there a rule change? (I'm a beginner so learning!)
@@meisemahlee Yes. As of Jan 2023 you are not allowed to impart spin on the ball with your hand before serving.
He'll have to actually do the work on his ground game instead of winning most points on his serve.
Let's see what happens when a spin serve is your whole game.
Hopefully the new rule was a wake up call to him to actually have to play the game by the rules
Take that serve away and I don't believe black team would make the finals
Yes, it appears that way.
These are 2.5 players, 3.0 at best.
Hard to believe at 3.5 there were almost no effective 3rd shot drops or dinking rallys. It looked like 3.0 play to me.
Wow what a boring match. Lots of service aces, no long rallies. No wonder the spin serve will become illegal.
I'm continuing to watch and am speechless on how poor all 4 are.
Take it on the short hop and don't let it bounce so far away before hitting it.
pickleball a competitive sport where you can start playing at 55 years old and still become a national ranked player the same year
It's 3.5 level
Dont look like 3.5
How does yellowshoes get in a gold medal national match and have no idea how to adjust and return a serve?
Because she only 3.5 ! 😂
The yellow shoes woman get in the gold medal match because all other woman in the same bracket already got kick out by that serves!😂🤣
As a beginning player, I, too, focused on weaponizing the serve; however, serving aces is boring for most in rec play. I now change-up serves (and usually just pop it into play) to focus on the soft game. Yeah, I can still bend a kick serve, tho winning a point that way feels unsatisfying. I’m in this for FUN, so I try to play to the level of the foursome.
What an ego geeze
What would you do in a tournament?
Well said, Pickleball is suppose to be fun, unless you are truly making $$ playing, then it's a business. I've served aces as well, and stopped doing so, as you could see the deflation in the other team. I choose to find the holes between players, or go down the line, giving them a fighting chance and working different hits as a challenge. Heck, I don't even have to win every game, as if it's a newer player in the particular grouping, I'll give them some easy shots, just so they can stay in the play and have fun!
Good attitude indeed. Most recreational play is to socialize and have some fun. If you serve in a way that the other team fails to return, the game will end in 5 minutes ... what's the point?
@@Powerstroke98
a perfect example of why the spin serve has been banned,,,the team with the guy that spin serves has no game other than that serve.
these people suck for 3.5......You are joking me....4.0 IN YOUR DREAMS....
Only two minutes into the match, I am asking myself out loud as to why the losing team (at this time) is playing to the man and not focusing on hitting all balls to the female as she is obviously the weaker opponent. In doubles, whether it is tennis or pickleball, if you want to win, AND THAT IS THE POINT OF ENTERING A COMPETITION.... TO COMPETE AND WIN, the SMART play is to play the weaker opponent regardless of age or gender.
Damn. I play 4.0 and can’t even do the spin serve which is becoming illegal in January. Sand bagging here.
a few days of practice and anyone can leanrn the spin serve...hardly sandbagging. I never liked and have a good serve without it.
I swear 95% of pros have illegal serves .. Rules officials really need to get that kind of stuff in check if this game is ever going to be taken more seriously.
I dont think I was alone in routing against the spin serve team the entire time. They also tried to call in balls out several times. Yuck.
Owen doesn't trust his partner, ball/court hog.
3.5 with a chain server? And 1:20 the announcer calls both teams sand-baggers. Interesting.
All 4 are at least 4.0
Disagree with the announcer saying these could be 4.0's, don't get me wrong good 3.5's but no 4.0 would miss that many returns
Any good 3.5 player would be able to adjust to that spin serve after only 1 or 2 serves.
Personally, I never did understand how the spin serve was allowed to be used as the serve rules state the ball cannot be propelled up or down before the serve. The ball is clearly propelled in a spin serve which should have made it illegal to begin with.
What a great sport for people who are out of shape. Whatever it takes to get us off our couches!
this comment is uncall for.😭
this is 3.0 level
I've been playing about a year and I still don't really understand how the ratings work. Either that or a lot of the commenters here don't. I'm not being snarky and implying that the commenters here don't understand how the rankings work. It could be me that doesn't understand. And I want to understand.
They have more-or-less objective criteria to determine ratings, but nobody seems to go by those. By those criteria these players are easily at least 3.5s, but the way players are actually rated in the real world seems to rate players somewhat lower than the criteria would indicate. Unless I'm missing something, the way players are rated in the real world is by playing each other and playing in tournaments like this. If you are in the gold medal match in the 3.5 section at this tournament, how could you not be at least a 3.5? I ask the commenters below who say these are 3.0 players: What criteria are you using to conclude that they are 3.0 players?
Guys that is NOT a chainsaw serve. If you’re going to be a PB commentator, do some basic research. That is simply a spin serve. While you are here on Google, you can look up what a chainsaw serve really is - it ain’t this.
This is 3.5? Not really. Anyway, that guy with the spin serve is not as good after the serve as the other guy. The guy in. black has BAD positioning IMO.
That spin serve is really annoying, and I'm glad it's banned-but the returning team could have had a lot more success by backing up more from the baseline. They're way too close considering what how deep he's putting that serve.
THIS is a gold medal 60+ match? LOL Our daily pickup games, mostly 60+, are significantly at a higher level, without question. Few volleys even go past 3-4 shots before an unforced error.
I love pickle ball
Most of the gang from 60-80 at Brainerd, MN play at this level.
No way they are "closer to 4.0 players"
Great job by announcer..not a bunch of wasted “make noise” and spot on.
Thanks for the nice comment!
so many mistakes...
Playing 2.5 now that his cheater serve illegal
I love this game. I started playing and in 2 months I lost 65 ibs. Which was crazy, I just started playing it for fun, and bamb!! I was getting physically fit at the same time. Great exercise.
This looks like 3.5 play to me.
I wonder how he plays today without that carry spin serve
Pink Shirt has a habit of moving in when he’s serving. Deep returns will curb that quickly.
What a bunch of jokers are the team in all black. Illegal serve and calling obvious balls out. They are why some are turned off by pickleball adherents.
Illegal serve... what the heck? These teams are not good. I want to destroy them in the court. Ive only played about a year...
Impressed with the lobs by the lady in black.
It's amazing how that serve hopped so drastically to the right of the returner, when the server's paddle movement made it look like it should hop to the left! I played a guy hwo had that shot once.....they are really tought to return. Best to short hop them , and inch or two behind the bounce adn loft them down the middle....cut it off before they hop to the side......
Spin serve should illegal game was invented for serve to be hit to put ball in play quite a simple way to put ball in play to start match. Just heard you say banned this year good always a person looking to stretch rules to win.
Two great videos for pickleball. Hand coordination gained by juggling ua-cam.com/video/BaXWuA_mxe0/v-deo.html and how to practice focusing on the ball ua-cam.com/users/shortsO1egKCoZ3RM
Ridiculous to make the spin serve illegal …boring when they change rules to even up skill levels …that’s why I prefer tennis
I searched for this after seeing an ad for pickleball..... its ping pong meets tennis 😂 I LOVE IT
I just started playing pickleball two weeks ago and I already know that serve is illegal. Some people will do whatever it takes to win a game.
What is a spin serve ?
Yep…illegal serve. Not sure how much game he has beyond that….🤷♂️
Good that spin serve is no longer allowed. They might have won but I do not respect that.
Wasn't that an illegal serve back then?
No, this was before the rule change.
@@TeamHanlonPickleball And a good rule change that was... I learned how to do it, but it did not feel right.
Looks like 3.0 to me.
You don't know what you're watching. These are 4.0+ players in the real world. They are sandbagging and the reason they are in the final of a 3.5 tournament bracket. they should no longer be allowed to compete at this level after winning and/or making the final. Time to move up to 4.0 and let other lower level players have a shot at the gold.
The guy is using a spin toss to serve. That’s not legal anymore
Wait....was this on the "Ocho?"
I'm curious how well they will do when they no longer have that serve. It is undoubtedly a great serve but knowing that it was illegal in the past and will be illegal again would make me feel like I didn't really win.
They didn't win. They lost.
The only weapon that spin server has is his serve and his “muscle” shots. No finesse at all. Once the spin serve is gone for him not sure what else he has in his tool box.
His serve isn’t illegal. The one-handed pickleball pre-spun serve is now banned.
Boring match to watch. I wonder if the man with the spin serve will show up at Nationals next year.
He will.
Guess what? Smashes will gonna be banned next?
Zzzzzzzzz wake me up when it's over. Chess anyone?
So this game was developed for older folks right?
Play some people your own age and find out.
What type of camera gear did you use to record this match? It is very professional looking!
Just my phone! No equipment.
Pickleball. Where the pros are not pros
When the announcer says they are probably 4.0 - nah. They were 3.5. They weren’t cheating by playing down a level
More like solid 3.0
Yeah, I guess I was being generous :)
Can't believe that was even allowed at all? I know it is not allowed now, but how was that allowed before?
But why, mes amis, do the 'kitchens' not have suitable appliances in them ?
God Help us................
So glad this serve is banned!
Banned chain saw serve? Smh. Pathetic game if ya have to stop a stroke because people can't return it!!! What's next?
And the winners, each, get........a pickle; while the losers are in........ a pickle-so pick(le) your favorite team and let the Pickleball begin.
Did they just start playing as 3.5 or am I missing something?
Right. They're 3.0?
@@mojo8278 Agree. 3.0. The pink shirt guy’s team can’t even get to the NVZ half of the time to control the game.
that serve is illegal isn't it?
Tennis please. And no doubles.
very dorky sport but the best equalizer for old & young, athletic and non athletic players.. anyone can be competitive.
The guy in black shirt does not have the pickleball spirit. I know it was a gold medal match, but ,,,,,,Besides, by the time the game took place, we all new this prior to serve ball spin would be banned. Definetely this guy now will have to learn how to play pickleball.
WONDER if he could actually play a REAL game without the cheating spin that can't be hit? Usually NOT very good otherwise - gotta cheat to beat
That guy in the black shirt is playing well below his rating. Come on…. Play with similar talent man…
I didn’t know the spin serve was illegal. A good player should be able to return that no problem, I am surprised at how poorly they do and I am not trying to be cocky at all.
Lol dude is black is toast now with the spin serve illegal. It was pretty clear his game was subpar besides the spin serve. No more tournies for him!
Why is it in pickleball they try and outlaw anything that’s aggressive? I’m enjoying it but man is it a soft sport.
It’s tennis only with paddals intesd of rackets. If I was the makers of tennis I’d have a huge lawsuit.
Imagine telling Nadal or Federer, " Sorry boys you cant spin your serve, or smash the ball or smile, or grunt, or.... this game is lame. 🙄
Spinning the ball prior to serving is like corking your bat in baseball. I'm glad it is stopping in 2023.
Although the spin serve was actually legal his swing path was illegal several times.
Thanks for this and the commentary with the score.
The "chainsaw serve" has been outlawed for 2023
I thought tossing ball up in the air was illegal????
I believe you can toss the ball, but the paddle must hit the ball below the belly button and the paddle must move in any upward motion.
Wonder what 2023 rule change did to this gentlemen's game?
Use the chainsaw if you like being hated by everyone
For those who don't understand why a serve like that is being banned don't understand the politics and business end of any sport. ALL sports evolve and generate RULES to make the game competitive to play and interesting to watch. As PB evolves, grows in popularity and is taken more seriously there will be dozens of rules changed to adapt. Also it's why you can't just show up with any old racquet you want there are 'rules' - 'standards', why is that? Have you seen the radical rule changes over the years in baseball to make it a more offensive game to encourage higher scores? Rules on how the pitcher can pitch, banned movements, banned grips, stances and now even pitchers and batters will be under time constraints. Rules to keep the game competitive both ways and they are always evolving, adapting to meet that expectation. Like banning the infield shift in baseball (2023 season), you cannot block the plate, slide into players intentionally, avoiding contact at the bases, Why? to allow teams to compete on a more even scale (and yes, in some cases to decrease injuries). All, at one point, were part of some team's strategies (ask Pete Rose). Hockey, lacrosse, have changed rules against certain sticks that gave players a huge advantage. At one time they were legal now they are not, and on and on. No one wants to watch (or play against) some trickster with a nearly impossible serve to return winning 11-0 game after game solely on the serves. Save it for exhibitions like one day maybe with the New 'PB Harlem Globetrotters' tour. Pros, who can train against it if they had too because they have countless hours of court time, video replay, trainers, coaches, equipment etc. to work against such odd, difficult and uncommon serves, 99% of the rest of us do not, but that is a waste of time and money even for the pros. Difficult enough training for the already standard plays. Look, I'm a competitor and believe in developing my skills to defend against tough players, but rarely would I be able to train and develop the skill necessary to defend against some new tricky, sneaky swing esp. during a tournament or in league play should that show up. No time to adjust and I'd be wasting away points trying to figure it out. So level the playing field, let players play with expected universal standards (like every other established sport in the world) and the better prepared team, in a fair fight, will prevail. Trust me (or not) you have not seen the last of game altering rule changes in this sport, not by a long shot. There's already talk of changing the balls and the scoring (more like tennis, easier for fans to follow), heck I even heard the name may change to be more appealing to draw interest across a more general audience. Welcome to progress, like it or not.
That just pretty much makes pickleball an even lower skill game than it already is, God... It really should have remained a pastime and not a "sport", like really...
@@creativestudio101 fastest growing “pastime” in America.🎉🎉🎉
@@MorphousInfinity I know.. and I don't have nothing against pickleball specifically, other "sports" that should have remained pastimes are baseball, golf, etc etc etc ha ha
This crap of allowing these illegal serves is disgusting. The original inventors of pickleball never intended the serve to be dominant like it is in tennis. What a crime against pickleball!!
So pickleball is for people who doesn't want to run?