Let's Talk About Love Triangles in YA Fantasy | book rant and review
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- Hi everyone, after a YA fantasy series seriously messed with my emotions, I want to chat with you about the love triangle trope. I'm not going to be super critical (but with some of these perhaps we should be...) so pls don't take this too seriously. Just some guilty pleasure fun. Sending you love!
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Let's Talk About Love Triangles in YA Fantasy | book rant and review
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*This is the Infernal Devices Spoiler Section. Open at your own risk!*
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So, how would you end it? Did you like the epilogue/glimpse of the future we got? What should have happened to Jem?
I’ve never cried more in my life then when tessa describes that she slowly forgot the exact blue of will's eyes....so hum i wouldn’t change it, it’s literally the only perfect ending ever
ughhh , honestly those books broke my young heart I don't even think adult me can reread it , the end was just meh I personally found it lazy of her to give us such a vanilla ending were "everyone got a happy ending" when she made us suffer so much through those books !! like Tessa just pick one you can't get everyone. I'll take care of Will thanks
@@ninna12tw lmao right? i'll take one of them off your hands!!
@@MariaNeves-pw9lb even just reading this comment my heart is like NO :''''(
I loved the way it ended. Perfect for the story and OCEAN OF TEARS AT THE EPILOGUE
The only love triangle I will ever accept is will Tessa and jem
amen
yep, I hate love triangles but this one... gosh it touches my heart
I second this. I finished the series.
i was into the story for a month after finishing TID
Which book is that? :)
"But still makes your heart BABOOM" so relatable
💯🤯
The love triangle in The Red Queen just made me angry by the end to be honest. I didn’t find the characters had any depth and I ended up giving up on the second one and looking up the synopsis 🤷♀️ Mare was really one dimensional
Right?!!! I’m still going to finish it but i had such high hopes in the middle of the first one and then it just went downhill :(
literally me toooo. i stopped in the middle of the second or third, i was just... i don't even know what i felt, it just wasn't it for me, it kept going downhill. mare frustrated me, all the characters were dry or annoying.
I originally dropped it on the second book too because of how boring it got, but the 3rd and ESPECIALLY the 4th was so good that I'm glad I finished the series
I personally loved red queen. I loved the main series: red queen, glass sword, kings cage, war storm AND ALSO BROKEN THRONE. The characters get less annoying over time because you start to understand them. lowkey farley and evangaline have back issues from carrying the series and julian and sarah are the most underrated characters ever. I also think if we got more from coriane and tibe (when he was good), the series would be 1000 times better
LMAO @ the farley comment hahahha
My fav character is Julian
Cruel Crown, prequel to series
YES OMG Coriane is my favorite and she deserves the world !
Her little story is SO good that it made me like so many characters that most people hate like Tibe and Anabel
@@manuba_ YESYES finally someone who agrees with me on cori and tibe. she was the true calore queen. they were the true tragedy of red queen. i also think the reason he disliked mare so much was because she was so much like coriane and he was so broken after her death, even that long after. we stan anabel in this house.
When i read the Infernal Devices both times: I would never change the ending.
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I didn’t even realize there was a love triangle in the hunger games until other people said there was cause Gale was just never an option???? Honestly to Katniss Peeta wasn’t even an option half the time 😂 the movies really played that up lol
lmao right?!
Katniss was so obvious to the effect she had on others. She did say to Gale that when they were free things might be different for them but then she was in the next hunger games with Peeta trying to save him. He died...and she completely lost her mind and almost shot Finnick with an arrow. When he started breathing again and she hugged him my heart fluttered not gunna lie like...I know he almost died but her reaction was so filled with relatable love
Katnip was too focused on surviving. Strong independent woman ain’t need no man.
HAHAH FR
Because its not, it must be some weird you need in ya a love triangle as selling point, and play that up, when she never wanted, and nevr really di, just a good friend with a crush on her. At least i like to think that.
Yeah Infernal Devices hit different because of the parabatai stuff; makes Will and Jem also loves and want the best of eachother and UGH even Cassandra Clare herself can't recreate that kind of SUFFERING ever again
lmao she really hurt us in all the ways hahaha
“ Cassandra Clare can’t recreate that kind of suffering ever again” * *the last hours looms over, clothed in darkness* * * *cue menacing laughter* *
@@solorespira7880 lol...so true 🤣
i know i cryed for like the last 10 chapters of clockwork princess
@@ninaclaire370 same 😭 i also cried on reading about will's death i refuse to believe he died 😭
my only problem with love triangles in books is that the whole time im just asking myself why dont they all just date eachother. like live the polyamory life babe.
I think that too.
Cassie Clare delivered that in the dark artifices... 😊😊😊
Because most people don’t want to share their SO with anyone else and want an exclusive relationship.
I like to think that the infernal devices is a polyamory story
But the love triangle includes brothers...
Sooooo...
SWeAt hOmE AlAbAmA
the whole “love triangle” trope is wrong because apparently people don’t know what a triangle looks like. it has three sides so there is a connection between all three points. so a love triangle would mean that there are three people who all at some point like each other. what most people are talking about isn’t a triangle, it’s just an angle. one point is connected to two others, that aren’t necessarily connected to each other.
Alsio to steal from crazy ex girlriend, it has multiple center.
Exactly. Basically, love triangles are inherently LGBT, lol. If there is no LGBT element, that ain't no triangle. Just an angle. Or an arrow.
Most “live triangles” are just female protagonists backed into a live corner
@@jessicaprice6565 I disagree slightly with this, because I believe there are a few exceptions to this "rule". For ex, The Infernal Devices by Cassandra Clare, the love triangle is a triangle, but the two male love interests don't love each other in a romantic way, they love each other in a brotherly way because they are bonded for life so they have a bigger conexion and love than the two of them with the girl that they are both in-love with. The two men loving each other is not romantic (because since they are bonded for life by a magical rune they can't fall for each other), but it is love nonetheless and it is a love triangle because the three parts involved are connected.
i dont think its that deep also the connection to two points of a triangle doesnt need to be romantic necessarily its still a connection
The love triangle trope is frustrating. However, I don't think it's the trope itself, it's just down to how well done it is. (And it rarely is done well). I personally love the triangle in the infernal devices. Both potential love interests are well developed and it isn't super obvious who the author prefers. The plot is super interesting on its own and the yearning from the love triangle just elevate it. Also I adore how everyone in that triangle cares deeply about the other two people and just makes it so much more a n g s t y✨ and I love it.
Exactly 😭🙏🙏🙏
True 😭
When i was younger i used to think that Will, Jem and Tessa was a well done love triangle, but now that i am older for me they're not a love triangle at all. First there's no dispute between them to see who will end up with tessa. Second Tessa wasn't unsure of who she loved, she loved both of them in different moments of her life. Third most of authors put a rivalry between the two male characters or make them in different sides or friends betraying friends to get the girl, but Will and Jem loved each other more than they loved Tessa.
See, my thing is that, that’s how a love triangle is supposed to be. For it to be a love triangle, really the main character should like both of them and want to be with both of them. In Twilight, Bella only ever truly wanted Jacob. In The Hunger Games, Katniss didn’t really like either of the boys. She’s kind of with Peeta at the end because he’s the last guy standing. Not saying this was a good one, because some of the events are a little iffy for me, but it is more of a proper love triangle than most others.
@@samkathryn4825 same! agree100% After TID all other triangles didn't compare because they were never really triangles. We always knew who the heroine would choose there is never a debate or doubt. Basically the other guys is just around as a nuisance and in some poor cases as a way to show the reader how a boy you like should behave vs the boy who give you nothing but headaches but you should love him anyways cause your invested😵 (sorry I've had a couple really bad heroes lately).
For me now a love triangle has to make me believe that both boys have a shot to the point that I would rather see one of them did instead of suffer alone in life. if not there are other conflicts that can be written into a story where the hero doesn't have to become a douche at any point in the relationship
@@samkathryn4825 You really didnt understand katniss. She loved Peter but its only coz she is an independent person & didnt like relying on guys. Also she had a mission & boys were really the last thing she thought about.
I tell you if she didn't love Peter, she would never have chosen him or ended up with him at all.
@@loustat4037 I understood her; the point I was trying to make (though, I admit, I didn’t do a great job doing so) is that it wasn’t a love triangle. For one, Katniss wasn’t super invested. Until the end, she just went along with Gale and kind of used Peeta (which, granted, she has to). The romance wasn’t the point of the story, but a lot of people hold it up like it’s this great love triangle with Team Peeta and Team Gale. Honestly, it wasn’t the point of the story, and Katniss wasn’t invested enough to make it engaging (for me, at least).
Of course, we can respectfully disagree as to how the execution worked out, but I feel I understand Katniss; I just wasn’t a huge fan of the story and her passiveness in the supposed triangle.
They actually loved Tessa more, but their brotherLy bond was too strong to break for love
*INFERNAL DEVICES SPOILERS*
lmao i'm really really satisfied with the ending but the only other ending i would've wanted is for the three of them to be in a poly relationship (wanted that at age 14 and still at age 24 lmao)
i don't think i picked a side but i was always more jem leaning (i re-read the series last month and will was awful to her for two whole books and didn't talk to her for the first half of the last book) and i'm glad for the additional material we got about jem/tessa's life (after the bridge, ghosts of the shadow market) post-TID.
but i think the ending was perfect for the story. i loved tessa's life with will was very different to her life with jem in a way that kind of mirrored how she loved them both but it was never a competition between the two. i also love how she contrasted jem not wanting to be a shadowhunter without will and will needing to be a shadowhunter to cope with losing jem. will was tessa's firsts in a lot of ways (two kids figuring it out) whereas her relationship with jem feels very adult (with maturity that comes from both of them being over a century old) and beautifully captures the ebb and flow of feelings over a long period of time.
i feel CC wrote TID to be quite will leaning in that will was perfect for the 1800s tessa but jem's perfect for the 2000s tessa (the tessa that came into her own after the death of her first husband).
i love how you explained this omggg
OMG, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE
You put it really well, i also loved the ending :)) it was rlly nice
you wrote this perfectly and the last bit is correct, CC said herself that will fit younger tessa more whereas jem fits older tessa more as they've both lived through so many things that only the other could understand. she said she wrote will to be tessa's first love because she always knew jem would be tessa's last. and that fucking kills me honestly but reading about jem and tessa's life in cirenworth with the happiness they always deserved and suffered so long for softens the blow of how much they've lost. ugh tid will always be the most special to me !!!
I totally agree with you,they should’ve been polyamorous
Throne of Glass was more like a love conveyor belt TBH. Sam, wait I want Dorian, never mind gimme Chaol. Oh my gosh, is that a Rowan I see coming this way!
This is completely true.
It was basically “Male character introduced = love interest!” There was one moment where I was genuinely concerned that Maas was setting Celaena/Aelin up with her own cousin
Bahahaha i did get the whole... that was caelena the assasin and then caelena trying to be a normal girl with chaol and then her finding herself and her true mate rowan through big struggle
Honestly I thought that ToG subverted a lot of common and in my opinion, kind of boring YA romance tropes. In hunger games, Katniss marries a guy she started dating when she was a teenager. In infernal devices and mortal instruments the protagonist marries a man she started dating as a teenager. So many YA protagonists marry men they started dating when they were children. I don’t know about any of you but I did not marry the first guy I kissed. Aelin was with Sam, the only true friend she’s ever had, when she was forced to pretend to be someone else in order to survive. His death marks when Celaena must die too. She is struck by how hot Dorian is but never has romantic feelings for him and that’s pretty realistic for a teenager exploring her sexuality. Chaol is who she’s with when she’s still clinging to the ghost of Celaena and denying who she really is. Through her friendship with Rowen, Aelin is for the first time in her life able to properly mourn the deaths of her parents, Sam, Nehemia, and the death of Celaena. When she has accepted the woman she must become she loves the man who has always seen her as as the person she has always been and helped her accept that. And it’s not until she’s a mature adult that she begins a relationship with the man she was meant to be with. I find that representation of romance preferable to insta-love that lasts forever. Plus, there are plenty of male characters that are never love interests- Wren, Nox, Aedion, Rolph, the entire Cadre, and her relationship with Fenrys in particular is purely platonic but so meaningful. Nah it’s not a conveyer belt, it’s the only series I’ve read that even remotely resembles my love life.
@@missanthropy6174 wow I didn’t realize how truly I felt seen in that aspect through aelin until I read this, thank you for expressing it! ❤
infernal devices' love triangle still haunts me and it's been like 6 years since i've read it. i also picked sides and felt bad about it because i liked both boys, but because of the side i picked, i was able to live happily with the ending lmaooo
I never considered Throne of Glass a love triangle series. the first book is love triangel-ish with Dorian and Chaol but once Rowan enters the scene there are no options. I liked the realism of having multiple loves and finding the person that's right for you at different stages of your life. Honestly (though i ADORE Rowan and Aelin) I believe a lot of people, including myself, believe ToG is better than ACoTaR because it has a more well rounded, action packed plot, where as ACoTaR is more focused on the romance side of things.
dude I heard the Hunger Games and went "wait when was there ever a love triangle in that lmao" and *that's* how much Gale means to me
I honestly really loved the Red Queen series, it got me back into reading more often after a long time of not really reading for fun (but a lot for university). It's an easy read and got a lot of plot twists and characters and a constantly expanding world and I love a well-built world. I actually liked Mare in the beginning and liked her less and less as the series progressed, but you do get to meet a lot of other cool characters who you can love or hate.
Normally I am all for character-driven stories but this is just not one of those. I think the strong world-building got me hooked, I loved getting lost in this world, even if it has mostly one-dimensional characters, so this is something to keep in mind. It has a lot of twists and characters you are yet to meet and maybe love more.
yeah i think thats what is hard for me is i really wanted to love Mare and as the series progressed i was just so tired of her :( i need a book only about Shade :'(
I really disliked the entire red queen series. Mare was awful.
I loved the series, but nearly everyone was more likable than Mare lol. She got better in like, the 4th book, but I loved all of the other characters more. Evangeline was my personal favorite followed by Shade and Farley. I was also hoping there would be more to Iris, but there wasn’t. And Cal? I wanted to punch him more than half the time. The world itself was really well-built and cool though. Some plot points seemed like THG and Divergent. But, all in all, the series was quite good.
i agree!! i disliked her the further i read, but i loved cal and was invested in shade and farley as well as evangeline so i kept going
SPOILER
What I love most about this love triangle it's how it ended. How it should be. Everyone alone. I just love Maven, and I really love the decision of made him beyond redemption, she would ruin him if he could be saved. I think Cal would end up well with Mare because they're both kind of boring, but I think she did the best choice, and I've never read anything YA that the protagonist decided to be by herself just because she wanted.
I love Peeta too, but upon rewatching The Hunger Games now that I'm in my 20s, I realized that Peeta felt like a one-dimensional character whose whole world became Katniss. Still, he's a better character than Gale. Hahaha
LOL!
Yes! Lol I actually read the series in my early 20s before the movies came out but I remember feeling just the same. The author built up Peeta to have these great qualities that could contrast and support Katniss's strengths/weakness.. his artistry, likeability, empathy, ability to speak to a crowd and inspire others.. yet all of that was completely wasted. (Same with Gale to a smaller extent but Peeta was my favorite so we're sticking with him lol). The whole time I thought Suzanne Collins was eventually going to use him as a mouthpiece for the movement, challenging the opinions of Capitol citizens, and even more so after he got captured, I was hoping to see his talents become slowly corrupted. But no, he just goes crazy and becomes an inconvenient ball and chain for the rest of the book until the happy resolution.
Oh, and he cake decorates himself into a tree once. Yay, payoff. -_-
I think that’s what put Katniss off. He’s really nice and there is a sense of like “Peeta earned it” he’s nice enough he’s a good person he loves her. But like Katniss was not emotionally developed enough to reciprocate any of that she couldn’t rush that part of herself and the problem of the series is that she just never overcame it. She’s still in this like arrested developement romantically. She acts more aromantic pressured into a romance to side step a romance trope. Idk it’s trying to be like deterministic about romance while also criticizing it but never comes up with a happy resolution. I think it’s trying to reflect like survivors of war relationships where people are together out of survival and social expectation it’s deeply trauma based and not like the freedom of love.
I never liked him because he was so flat.. his entire focus was Katniss and I never felt she could reciprocate that
Both Peeta and Gale are pretty dull compared to Katniss. She was too busy trying to stay alive to worry about boys. It would've been great to see more of Peeta, let him be a complex person too, not just the pretty blonde boy who is obsessed with Katniss. He really only exists to say a couple shocking lines and pine.
Honestly, YA novels tend to depend entirely too much on a character making one person their entire identity. Take a deep breath, female lead. You don't have to choose the love of your life at 16. Calm down.
The infernal devices is the BEST love triangle ever. Both the love interests are so well developed. And I’m in love with both of them 😭
YES
ME TOO
Same bahahah
just my personal opinion but i HATE love triangles😭just let my OTP go through OTHER obstacles, anything but wavering love interest when you know who the winner (and better person) will be, i cant do with it😾but i will say... some love triangles can be more interesting for me when the main character is less "can't decide who i love" and more "fk it ill do what i want and see who treats me better"
bahahahahhahahhahah
literally sameeeee
Giving k-dramas as an example is the most perfect way to make me understand the frustration :D
I really hate the Red Queen series. The first book was good but the other books just got worse and worse, I couldn’t even read the whole thing.
Also #teampeeta
yeah im struggling to get through the second one rn now >:(
I read the wiki page to know what happens in the end and I am glad to not waste any time reading it. Sorry, if there are any fans who reads this comment. It's not my jam.
I dont remember reading the last one, but I did so I kind of re read the end and I just shut the book and im trying to forget it again hahahahha
LOL, I couldn't get past book one. As soon as the pacing slowed down, around 70%, I dropped it. Read spoilers and, honestly, not worth my time. Still annoyed about it to this day...
Pfffft there is only team Peeta. Gale doesn't get a team. XD (I mean personally I think Liam Hemsworth was better looking but looks aren't all you should base a relationship on).
The Infernal Devices does not feel like a love triangle, which is why I love it 😭😭😭
I think SoC got me into the fantasy genre simply because there wasn't any relationship drama, just solid friendship, loyalty, and bravery.
Yesssssss!!!
What’s SoC?? I wanna read it!!👀👀
@@aureliegedeon1551 Six of Crows duology by Leigh Bardugo!
yes, omg! those are my favorite books. I like the relationships and I'm glad they were there, but they didn't drown out the other (better) parts of the story
There was actually a lot of relationship drama in there.
But hey that's just my opinion.
Infernal Devices!!! yeassssss the first ever book that I literally cried T_T
Literally heart wrenching
Honestly, I got so done with Love Triangles that I started reading Reverse Harem, where this is not an issue because it's perfectly fine for the girl to end up with multiple guys at the end. And you know what?
I regret nothing. I've never been as happy reading.
This was fun but I need a spoiler version so I can grab some popcorn and hear all the tea with your unfiltered opinion!
the infernal devices was so wonderfully written i’m still not over it. i wholeheartedly believe in herongreystairs. it was never a competition to win tessa’s affection and she was never forced to choose. the three had so much love for each other i lose it. james and mina exemplify that.
Finally someone who don't really liked Katniss! This was the exactly reason why I couldn't be so into this triangle.
Yeah 😞😞😞
@@caricanread why don't you like katniss
I literally cried my eyes out while reading infernal devices cause I LOOOOOOVEEE Jem, but I also love Will and it's just the worst and best love triangle of all time. I think Cassandra Clare did a good job with the ending cause we all would have been devastated if one guy got the girl and the other was just alone (and he also would have to see his best friend with the love of his life every day). That does not mean however that I'm 100% happy with the ending. I guess I feel the same way you do, I kinda don't know how to feel about it....
right?! i think she chose a good ending but i wish there was another way :')
****TOG SPOILERS AHEAD: i lovelovelove the throne of glass series but i know it's definitely a lotttt haha. celaena/aelin is supposed to be kind of a serial dater. she doesn't give a shit and she basically does whatever she wants until she meets rowan (swoon) and he literally steals her whole heart and soul. but yeah the first couple books are very busy with the romatic drama! also side note, i love that you love the black witch series as much as i do!!! such a good series and the first book did NOT deserve all of the hate it got!
i was so wary of rowan because i figured he was another guy she'd just drop so i felt like i couldnt trust him/their feelings hahaha the book gave me trust issues!!!
Oh, you can DEF trust the romance with Rowan once it starts.
Love Triangles are garbage, often make me uncomfortable because of the tension and disrespect that arises from them, and they ultimately contribute very little to most narratives.
For example, in the Hunger Games, it would’ve made sense for Katniss to deny her feelings for Peeta because of her emotional detachment and trauma. What doesn’t make sense is her cozying up to Gale at the same time, as if these problems don’t exist and as if Peeta is the problem. All for the sake of “Hot Muscle Edgelord Guy Choice”.
And characters like Gale, who are usually side-lined horrendously or are just plain jerks to others in these stories, don’t usually add much to the story at all. They’re usually there just to challenge an endgame ship or to make the Main Character seem emotionally unfaithful or unable to make a coherent decision.
"All of you who said its better than ACOTAR"
YESSSSS IM GLAD SOME OF YALL LIKE TOG BETTER (aelin is my baby🥺) that story, for me, as messy as it can be... the adventure in it fills my heart way more and i love all my babies in it🥺
i really enjoyed the first two books but then there was too much going on and i got so lost bahaha
what are y'alls fav book in the series? ...heir of fire right?😎😼
@@madehdeh7385 queen of shadowsssss
I think I slightly lean towards ACOTAR because I'm trash for Rhys buttttt TOG is still STUNNING and I will never ever be over Kingdom of Ash 😭😭😭
@@madehdeh7385 nothing can beat heir of fire
I just finished the Red Queen series, I personally liked it and I agree Mare was not my favorite but I did like Cal.
please i love shade when “it” happened to him i literally threw the book across my bed and cried at 3 am
Idk I kinda liked Mare because she was such a flawed character I found it amusing. And Cal was a bit annoying at times but yeah he's a favorite.
When I saw the thumbnail I screamed because I read all 3 of the series in the picture lol. I hope you can see now why a handful of us were so passionately recommending the Infernal Devices trilogy. Will Herondale forever.
Amen 😭🙏
Robert Sheehan has the power to change anyones mind about a "love triangle" it becomes a "love line" at that point.
Amen!!!
i honestly loved red queen from the beginning do idk :/ but maybe you’ll like the third book, because i know it’s my personal favorite.
As is mine, I think the first and third books are the best in my opinion.
hi as a person who loves the red queen series, i appreciate your insight but of course i have my own thoughts about it as well. in my opinion, the love triangle shows the delineation between healthy and toxic relationships, and the impact of their choices. mare could've easily joined maven, because both of them knew what it was like to not be good enough. but she didn't - why? well because she values her wellbeing. if she embraced the darkness like maven did, she would also turn into a monster and shut out the people who loved her (glass sword gives a glimpse of this). maven emotionally traps mare by disguising his faults for how much he understands her. honestly i'm tired of the media portraying toxic and abusive relationships where the girl has to sacrifice her wellbeing just to be with a guy who supposedly loves and understands her. and then there's cal, the contrast of maven and his relationship with mare. cal actually respects mare's choices, views her as an equal and offers help only when she truly needs it - there are explicit parts in the books that pay attention to his treatment towards mare. idk if this changes how you feel towards these books (honestly it doesn't matter 'cause we should all respect the opinions of others), but i just wanted to offer my perspective.
@HAFSA NASEER Shade deserved better. Like, way better.
I didn’t like Cal or Maven much, mainly because Maven was toxic, and Cal was incapable of making a choice. But, I really loved the ending because Mare decided to take some time off for herself, which is not very common in novels. I honestly ship Mare with no one (except maybe therapy) lol.
@@luuuuux_ who's shade again long time since I've read the series. Bdw i loved Mave in the beginning she was really just trying her best and thought that everything she did was genuinely good and with her circumstances she did great but as the serie went on you or at least I really saw her losing the meaning between good and evil.
@@iamtired3527 mare was very likable at the starting but got very insufferable and filled with a sense of her own self-importance in the second book. Shade was Mare’s brother. The one who was told as dead but then was actually alive and then who actually died while saving Mare from Ptolemus in the 2nd book.
Bro finish the red queen series
Kings cage ( third book ) literally a master piece
I love Will, Jem and Tessa so much. Like usually, I end-up feeling irritated in one or two characters in a love triangle, but TID never had that effect on me. I just love them all so much, enough to feel so heartbroken in literally every chapter since the clockwork prince. But also yes, if I have the power to change the ending, I would. I love everything about TID except maybe the ending. It’s just too much of a stretch i think for cassie to not make readers choose a side hahahaha idk. Aside from TID just being the most unproblematic LT i’ve read, she just made “friendship/parabatai” so beautiful. I think i really understood the true essence of what a parabatai should be in Will and Jem 🥺
I never finished the red queen series because I think it's really overrated, I like the first book the best but I think the last books were just bad, especially the second one annoyed me because we learn nothing about the side characters so I felt nothing about them tbh
The second one is so hard to get through, I’m trying my best 😞
I know! I stopped reading the second halfway through because I got so bored. It was really unfortunate because I absolutely adored the first one.
I bought the second book biggest regret I read it like 5years ago and while back was like ok gonna force myself to finish only got thru the third but it was equally as useless now I’m not sure what to do
The second one honestly sucks. The third one was better compared to it because we got more POVs, even though it was just a few chapters. The fourth books, however was actually quite nice.
Lakshita Yellanki good to hear I guess I keep going back and forth hated the second book the third one was decent but I wasn’t sure if it’d be a waste of time to read the next one but at the same time I want to know how it ends
I adored the Red Queen series by Victoria Aveyard. However, I feel like if you are not into the first book you will probably not be into Glass Sword or King's Cage. I don't know! I think the series is worth a shot but I wouldn't say it gets better after the first book.
im not loving glass sword but i've heard good things about the third book so we'll see! im willing to see it through to the end!
I lovee red queen, glass sword had good moments as much as the others at least for me, but all and all love itt
I haven't read the third ACOTAR book (3/4 through ACOMAF atm) so I can't really speak on what happens in the third book, but the only thing that bothered me about Rhysand and Feyre was that I felt Maas kind of kept hitting you with 'Rhysand is a feminist' 'Rhysand is actually the good guy' 'Tamlin is trash' (which tbf, I can somewhat agree with anyway lol) and I just felt it was a bit shoe horned in? I don't know whether the 'bad guy is actually good' trope has just been ruined for me and I'm being a bit unfair to her though 😅
exactly hahahah inventor of feminist, Rhys.
Haha take a shot everytime Rhysand says 'it's your choice' 🍻
You see, I have this issue with Maas. She introduces a relationship and it's all good, then the next book, there's another love interest and the previous one is suddenly complete trash (ACOTAR) or they hate each other for no reason (ToG)... I feel like Maas sort of pushes the reader to the new ship by transforming the old love interest into a dick, and I don't like that... It's abrupt and unfair to the character. I sometimes think that she changes her mind midway through the story and that's why things seem so pushy.
@@evewithwonder yeah honestly I can see that. I kind of wondered if perhaps she suddenly took a liking to Rhysand and decided to basically retcon his character 😂
@@evewithwonder I only read the first one in the ACOTAR series and I decided not to continue on because of how badly handled the love triangle was: it felt incredibly disingenuous as a reader to be told I basically wasted my time getting invested into a relationship just because the author had gotten tired of it and wanted to introduce a hotter love interest. Just like you said, and given how it was marketed (the whole Beauty and the Beast retelling thing), it felt like Tamlin was going to be endgame BUT SUDDENLY she remembered that with a love triangle you can make books and sagas longer and she was like "um, actually, there's this OTHER guy...".
Also, the whole "making the og love interest bad" you mentioned is a cheap tactic so the main girl can avoid be called out on her cheating. If there was no conflict and she just randomly went out with another dude, it wouldn't look good, but because they had a fight, she can do whatever she wants with no remorsement! Ugh....
Tessa, Will and Jem shuld end up in a poliamorous relatioship.
Honestly the the way Celeana was moving from one interest to another i was just like ughhh stop it ,i completely hated it.It didnt make sense
Oml maven was my fave in the red Queen series! And also, I am reading tog right now and love it lol! I read acotar and it has become my fave series ever! You should read shatter me because that's a frustrating love triangle lol
the infernal devices is the only love triangle ever in my mind. for a true love triangle there must be love between all three. in herongraystairs each of them loves the other two more than their own self - it never felt like a competition, it was just three people loving each other throughout horrible circumstances and tragedy.
to me, the ending doesn't feel satisfying because of how big their love was....even the happiest mortal outcome feels tragic because they loved each other SO much. but i'm happy with it. cc said she wrote will to be tessa's first love because she always knew jem would be tessa's last and that destroys me but also sums it up perfectly, i think. it's just so intricate and emotional and devastating because of how well done it was and how clearly they all loved each other.
book-wise i unashamedly preferred jem for most of them because (though he's forgiven and had obvious reasons for it which no one blames him for and in fact was done out of selflessness) will was objectively awful to tessa for most of the book timeline. also bec jem is unusual in a YA romance - he didn't try to be edgy or mysterious or dark, wasn't rude, wasn't push or pull, he was just honest, kind and selfless from the start despite having arguably the most horrifying backstory in the tsc universe and yeah. jem owns my heart. but i digress. tid's love triangle is the only one for me.
I liked Will enough, but Jem was my favourite. For middle school little me, I was happy for Will and Tessa to get together if they did, and I wanted Jem for myself. Besides me, I thought Will and Jem should ditch Tessa and ride off into the the rainbow on a unicorn to their happily ever after.
omg that love alarm clip loooooool hahhahaahah
bahah truly the most dramatic hand hold
I'm definitely of the opinion that the TID protagonists should've formed a poly relationship. Certain lines like "the three of you, falling over yourself to love one another each more than the other" (Midnight Heir), and Will saying that Jem was the good left in him while Tessa was his heart (I don't remember the exact quote) highlights the sheer depth of the connection *everyone* had.
**TID SPOILERS**
So I just finished Clockwork Princess last night, I’d never read anything by Cassandra Clare before. I LOVED the love triangle, but was annoyed at the ending. I was team Tessa and Will, I feel like Tessa’s inner thoughts make it obvious who she will end up with. But I was overall annoyed that she didn’t really *choose* Will or Jem. She sort of just ends up with Will because Jem was forced to join that creepy brotherhood in order to live and was no longer an option?? 🤨 And then like 100 years later after Will is long dead, you’re really telling me Jem finds a cure and him and Tessa end up together again??? 🧐
Like don’t get me wrong, I also cried at that end scene with Tessa and Jem reigniting their love in front of the bridge LOL. But then I got super irritated by it ahaha 😂 I just don’t know what I feel at this point LOL
How jem cured was explained in the mortal instruments
okay. this is kinda an unpopular opinion, but love triangles EXHAUST me. emotionally?? i dunno, but anyways, its just so hard to read/watch. the whole time, the main character (usually the female lead) is just stringing along both guys/persons and flirting and all that with both of them, and they just act like its okay and healthy. or one option is totally amazing and the other sucks, but then the nice one does something that's minor-ly bad and the main character chooses the toxic one, or even without that, they just chose the 'wrong one' or someone whose low-key toxic. and all the stinging along also just makes the MC into a really bad person (not necessarily the stringing along itself, but what comes along with it.) on a mini second note, its not just the MC and love interest interactions, its the two options' interactions. they're just so toxic and the rivalry doesn't sit right and makes it even worse to read. i generally don't like those kinds of toxic, petty fights and drama, but anyways. idk love triangles just aren't for me, but if its really well written or something or they end up with neither, i could probably get behind it.
*i also agree with the dying part. because even if im okay with who they choose or eventually accept it, i feel so bad and terrible for the other one and feel they deserve better and what they got wasn't okay.
I love Throne of Glass but i do agree with u, it's not a love triangle cuz every man she meets always shows the possibility of attraction. I love the story but I still prefer Sam or Dorian than Rowan (her mate)
No way maybe Sam over Rowan but not Dorian
Chaol and dorian got their happy endings tho. Sam not so much but like yeah.
I read the infernal devices 8 years ago and he wound is still fresh...
UPDATE: "if someone could tell me a time when I'm supposed to like Gale..." honestly same
Omg was so exited for this video and it did not disappoint! Also for Red Queen most people tend to stop reading during the third book because it gets a little slow but I would recommend finishing the series if you enjoy the second book.
i will definitely try to finish! i just want to know the outcome of the Reds hahah
Will, Jem, and Tess should've been in a polyamorous relationship
I just love to listen you rant about books
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Infernal Devices spoilers....
I think that it was okay for Tessa to end up with Will...and Jem!!!!
After reading Chain of Gold, I think that Will and Tessa made such great parents are they're the ones who carried on the Herondale line. All of the modern Herondale characters wouldn't exist without them...which is incredible.
But...in the end...Will passes...which was inevitable. And I'm glad that Jem also had the chance to be with his love, Tessa.
This love triangle will always be everyone's favourite because of the fact that ALL three of them loved each other. Will, Jem and Tessa never truly hated each other. They all just loved. And that's what makes it so special...
so many people hate red queen 😩 it’s soo good i personally LOVE it
For me, it's not a good love triangle if I can't scream "polyamory exists people! King-sized beds exists people! just do a three-way it's so easy it's right there!" at the characters in question every three pages. (I can also settle for Main Couple lives a quiet life in the coutryside, leftover side piece goes on to become benevolent emperor of the world. Because honestly, if you can't have love at least you can have the next best thing)
Spoiler..... I got my happy ending with Tessa being with will. Then she just also gets the other guy. I feel like Cassandra had a different ending in mind and them bomb she feel in love with them both too. And the just had to fix it for her sake.
I literally LOVE how you describe each book in every video without even giving out spoilers. I mean you are always so clean about it. Seriously thank you. Whenever I see a books exclusive channel most of the times the youtuber gives out spoiler and I hate it. Your descriptions and attitude towards every book has made me read so many of them.
thank you so much!!!
@@caricanread Oh my god you replied!!
I can't believe it. Thank youu
I have read the Red Queen series, and I too had mixed emotions reading it, especially the concluding book War Storm. BUT I would recommend reading the prequel, Cruel Crown. I actually enjoyed the read. :)
i kinda like the unlikableness of katniss or mare
i feel like that‘s more realistic that the characters do or think shitty things
this struggles makes the characters (for me) far more interesting and likeable (in the end)
I agree, I LOVE Katniss and the Hunger Games, being perfect isn't something I'm interested in because it's unrealistic and unreasonable
There’s really only a love triangle in the first Red Queen book I feel like
okay this might sound strange but i am reading the clockwork price at the moment and i NEED to know who tessa ends up with. I looked it up in google but strangely i got multiple answers .....at this point i am confused. I do not care about spoilers , just can anyone give me ONE name. WILL OR JEM. Because i need to pick a side and train my mind so that i can be happy with the ending.
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You probably finished the book by now but she ends up with them both in the end. Let's say Jem goes on a little vacation and Tessa lives a whole life with Will and a few decades after he dies, Jem returns to the chat.
@@Phairyn. i diidddddd and, i don't know how i feel about it. But i enjoyed the books😁😁
I actually really loved the ending of The Infernal Devices and just in general, in the entire world how Tessa's love life was handled. I would change stuff about the series, but not this. That was one of the things I actually genuinely liked. On the other hand, I don't normally enjoy love triangles at all, so maybe this ending appeals to people who don't like love triangles 😂
When I first saw you IG story asking about love triangles I didn't have any clue why you asked for this recs 😂. Such an incredible video! It was like you were describing all my feelings about love-triangles in a way I can't do myself. Also you really conviced me about The Black Witch, definetely I will check it out!
omg i apologize for the pain you might endure from that book hahhaha
Listen.....im a black dude who grew up despising and making fun of Twilight fandom in my teenage years,while secretly i was reading these 3 Shadowhunter Prequels that were actually pretty damn good.
Tessa,Jem,and Will is really well done Love Triangle.
Will's torture when it came to that Prophecy about the next person to love him would die,only for it not to be true. 😢
Jems Body being destroyed due to having to take that Drug in order to prolong his life. 😢
What I loved about Throne of Glass was how the first love interests were never end game. Aelin loved different boys through different stages of her, and only ONE of them died (not because of the Love Triangle, thank God). She finally met someone who was so much like her after her FOURTH try( she wasn’t even trying really, she was in a pretty dark place). Aelin had always been my favorite female character because of how much of a bitch and a troll she is 😂
She’s not humble or modest, she can kick ass and still look good 😌 👠 ⚔️
Okay, firstly, the red Queen series gets WORST. I absolutely HATED the last book, argh, still mad (from two years ago).
spoiler for TID:
I LOVE THE ENDING, balled my eyes out when Will died but Tessa ends up with Jem later, so happy about that!
Sounds to me like The Infernal Devices characters should have just ended up in a polyamory relationship...
Love triangles?? Lmao I’m here for that love trapezoid. If I ain’t crackin open a geometry textbook to understand it, I don’t want it
So…I read all of the TOG series, and… all those books later… it’s not for me and I will never read again. The number of tropes there and overdone throughout the series almost gets me angry that I spent so much time reading each book. And it’s totally okay for character growth, but… when the main protagonist literally undergoes a name change because she is this long lost ruler and comes into her own, but in doing so, literally feels like a completely different person and had no connection with the person at the beginning of the series… no thank you. And, btw, when the reader can’t remember a single character’s name because of crazy spellings and pronunciations five minutes after putting the book… not a good sign.
the second two ACOTAR books were winners for this author for me, but TOG was a disappointment I wish I could undo.
@ 12:57 , biG MOOD, I won't lie or sugarcoat it. I have no shame; I never liked Gale lmao He was so annoying and in the way all the time sjfhkshdj sorry gale, but i wanted you to just leave hsgks tbh for me, the hunger games was just a love line, no triangle, it was just katniss struggling with love . . . and then gale was there sometimes 😭😂😂😂
I've been crying over the whole tess will jem dynamic since I've read TID and I don't think I'll be stopping anytime soon
how could you not mention that the mortal instruments series starts off with a double love triangle!!! alec-jace-clary and jace-clary-simon
The modern Will, Tessa & Jem is Kieran, Mark & Cristina from The Dark Artifices. Cassie made them into a polyamorous relationship!!! The best series so far from TSC is TDA and I stand by that!!! Its really well done!!!
so which side were you on for the infernal devices, will or jem? girl i need to know!
Give ToG a chance, you already know there are three love interests for the main character but there aren't anymore and Sarah does an AMAZING job with the whole plot and she worked to give every character the ending they deserved. Please read it
Yes exactly!! I loved the plot it was so well done, but i didn't really like the mc's romance, i liked the side characters' better HAHHAH
Yeah I liked that as a reader we got to see what happened with the guys she didn't choose. So readers who were sad about their literary boo being dumped got to see them moving on with other people. Was it high-key messy and dramatic? Yes. But the character development was phenomenal and worth it in the end for me. The only thing I would do differently if I could go back and re-read it for the first time again would be to tandem read Empire of Storms and Tower of Dawn. I was so impatient reading TOD because of the cliffhanger and the slower pace. To anyone who hasn't read it yet, look up a tandem reading guide. Especially if the captain is not your favorite character lol
@@Phairyn. I’m currently doing a tandem read right now for that exact reason. I heard there was a cliffhanger so I was going to skip tower of dawn because I thought it was unimportant. Their stories don’t even overlap so i figured I wouldn’t miss much until I looked it up and found a guide. Although it is annoying to switch back and forth to the point I had to read it online instead of my physical copies because it was just easier to switch books. I don’t know where exactly I’m at, but Elide just met Lorcan and escaped those creatures (ilken?) and I really like their dynamic although Ik it won’t last. She deserves a friend 🥺
I really likes the ash princess series 🤔 but I dont think its too popular, I was looking for somos amv's about the main characters and nothing 🥺
Oh!! I will look it up!
Technically it should be a love vector. Unless everyone wants a piece of everyone else.
Gale showed his true colors in the last and third book. You don't have to like him at all.
I'm so excited for this video 😍😍 thank you so much
thanks for watching!!!
Oh boy, I'm such a sucker for Cassie's drama and I love that she has a whole lot of stories co written by other cool authors 🙈 it's been like 15 years and I still read all of the books. ‼️Spoiler:‼️I wouldn't change anything about the ending of infernal devices, because if it wasn't for that, we wouldn't have the drama that is Jem & Tessa being both immortal and NOT together for like a century still, until getting the cure for Jem and having a literal freaking dream wedding 🙈 reading Ghosts of the shadow market I was crying my little heart out, it was so emotional.
If a love triangle is written well, I’m a sucker for it! I’ll admit it! Just look at the infernal devices, that’s a beautiful one…
totally going to read The Black Witch now bc I love it when characters die and my heart gets crushed... god this is like my 4th comment now so sorry
LMAO prepare for pain, the author kills swiftly and unforgivingly hahaha
When I read Red Queen I literally didn't understand what was likable about it at all. I never even finished the second. A year later I went back to try again and although the second book was unbearable, the third and forth had me losing my mind -- they were just that good for me. It ended up being one of my favorite series but it's so hard to talk about because unlike most series - the thing that hooked me WASNT the first book.
I've always wanted to really get into a series but they always let me down by the 3rd book or sometimes even the 2nd book so I sometimes avoid series as much as possible. I like stand alone books the most especially if it's about love triangles lol
duologies are my fav! just long enough^^
@@caricanread I've never heard of those! I might give those a try!
THRONE OF GLASS SPOILERS, for anyone who cares:
I read the entire series, there were 5 prequels short stories, 7 main series books, and 1 spin-off book. The main character, Celaena/Aelin, ends up having 4 love interests. One died during the prequels, she split with 2 of them, and ends up with a character introduced in book 3. However, the other 2 guys did end up getting paired with their own love interests
i needed to know whose side you were on for the infernal devices? was it jem?
Personally this trope is a instant turn-off for me, as it is so over used.
I kind of liked the ending because I adored both Will and Jem, but the fact that Will died broke my heart. I still think about it a lot.
I just wanna say... YES to the whole Peta over Gale. You took my thoughts from my head and my feelings from my heart and I 100% agree. That is all :P
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So... the most important question is... which side did you pick in the infernal devices?
I was a jem fan to the death personally.
Also you HAVE to finish throne of glass. It gets so good. All the extra little pieces come together at the end
Most of the people in the Shadowhunter Chronicles discord server seem to think Herongraystairs is one of the best ships because we get both Wessa AND Jessa. There's glimpses of Tessa's married life with both of them, and the fact that neither side really 'lost' her makes them happy.
Ok ok I Know yall gonna come for me but like I love Gale (atleast at first) and well lets just say id be better for Pita Bread to stay away :)
I actually disliked love trinangles especially when I was a teen and hear is why (at least that is my theory): it feels like unnecessary drama. Most of the time you know with whom their going to end up with, so the other person is just there ... to cause trouble.
Does that make sense?
But if both parties are a good "choice" and you can genuinly root for both of them, it's more enjoyable to follow.
(Sorry english is not my first language. I appologize for every grammar mistakes :D )