Interesting Proof That Another Universe Existed Before Our Own
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Imagine, trillions of years ago, another being figured all this out but still died because you can't stop it!
So don’t rock it.
You know you got it.
Hey yo!
But are you getting it?
Really getting it?
That's why I rather go with cultivation than wasting time on Science.
@Sushant Kumar ahhh.. I mean practice Sanyasi to transcend.
@@user-Void-Star I hate to break it to you... But you won't transcend. You'll die long, long before the Universe dies, just like the rest of us. It's just wishful thinking.
@@matusmotlo3854 nope.
No contradiction, I've read Penrose's book, Cycle's of Time. His theories agree with the 'big rip' and his CCC hypothesis does not say that the universe will undergo some kind of big collapse. What he says is that after the great rip, some unknown process essentially resets entropy. After reaching the highest possible state of maximim entropy in the big rip, scale no longer matters. All particles are flying so fast away from eachother at the speed of light that some condition (not unlike inflation) returns the entire universe to a state of extremely low entropy and the whole process starts over.
Ty, I was about to give this correction as well. Cycles of time is a great book every science fan should read.
He doesn’t believe in the big rip either. His theory posits that after all the matter in the universe decays and only photons will exist that the universe will lose its metric so that infinitely small becomes the same as infinitely large and thus begins the next cycle.
everythings so big and far away its essentially ordered again, the end result of entropy is true order, and according to the scale of everything at the time, as the poster above me posits, yes, its infinitely large and small, for all intense and purposes if someone from the previous universe survived, theyd be incredibly small
So basicaly after enough expansion,after the big rip,there will be so much vaccum that another big bang happends once again? I mean there's no need for a reset siince the particles are so much far away from each other.
oh, science FICTION....got it. A cyclicle universe got sent to junk science decades ago. You need an external energy source or entropy will end in heat death. You are going to have to show some stiff proof for us to throw the laws of thermodynamics aside there guy.
6 months after this video was published, Roger Penrose was (jointly) awarded the 2020 Nobel Prize in Physics.
If you haven’t heard of Roger Penrose you could not find this channel because your head is cyclically stuck up your own black hole.
@@steveunderhill5935 why so aggressive? Not everyone keeps up with news and scientific research.
@@steveunderhill5935 How about you stop gatekeeping and let people educate themselves and enjoy the content.
@@steveunderhill5935 What the hay?
I think the difference between "theory" and speculation has been blurred beyond distinction.
holy crap using the universe's background radiation to leave information that can be decoded eons later sounds like a really cool scifi story
Stargate Universe' main plotline is exactly this - but it was cancelled after season 2 :'(
@@jasonoliver6170 They tried too hard with it
Stargate needs some hokeyness, dammit
Stargate universe explored that storyline.
Cosmic background radiation is like the real life version of an Elder Scroll.
damn 👌
@sprock wait I know you
Lmfao you guys are awesome 😂
I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
Hello wonderful Anton, this is person
Btw anton is gay
@@tgmtf5963 So?
Yamato Genskie That is important because............???
@@brucebenedon4812 i am also gay so i know he is like me
Anton person this is hello, wonderful.
I love this channel. He takes some scientific theory that would put us to sleep in class, but a 10 minute video seems like at best 2 minutes. They end to soon, Great job.
Everytime I think I learn something I feel like horton hears a who is the ultimate sci-fi movie
UA-cam: "Global Pandemic."
Economists: "Total collapse."
Government: "Social distancing, self isolate."
Anton: "Alternative universe."
Lmao @ every demon's dream come true
Me: "Absolut win."
In that universe they could probably leave their homes without their mouths sweating from the masks, or without getting fined for walking on the street.
@@ArakkoaChronicles it won't last forever. Be strong.
Imagine instead a universe in which 15 percent of the people get lung inflammation.
@@ArakkoaChronicles Such places exist in this universe, this planet, to be specific. Your experience may be different, however. Sorry about that. Can't be helped as there's a lot of it about.
Times like these are for learning patience and resilience, and faith in each other to pull together so we can fight over what's really important when this is past.
Penrose has such a beautiful mind that he was still able to suggest the craziest ideas throughout his career.
Nobel prize winning sir Roger Penrose... I would want to try and guess the multiple letters after his name...
@@steveunderhill5935 FRS
@@steveunderhill5935 OBE
never watched that? heard its pretty good??
it takes a mind like that to stretch our imagination and ponder all the possibilities. Einstein suggested gravitational waves could result from his theory of relativity in1916, but we only recently found evidence that proved it.
I don't know what's spookier. Knowing at some point EVERYTHING we know, could know, or even imagine will one day just no longer be there, or that life is so rare it may only appear once poor universal cycle, maybe even not at all.
It's like Outer Wilds, right? Don't mourn the fact that it's ending - celebrate the fact that it existed, and that there'll be another after it.
life is pretty abundant, thanxfully...
@@oomahuntressprotectress848 Conditions for life are abundant, life itself - we don't know. We judge by our own planet and find millions of planets that have viable conditions for life and yet we haven't discovered any proof that we're not the only ones.
@@vladikas4633 will get back to yu
Life is a product of what the universe itself is. They aren’t actually separate. Your mind, in the realm of ideas, performs this “separation.”
Thanks for all you do. You have such a kind demeanor and make science fun/interesting.
Just gotta say I love this channel, Anton. Keep 'em coming!
Plank has been broght into dispute
Sometimes, reality feels just like a dream with complicated rules to follow.
@@somedumbozzie1539 I have a friend Steve from back in the day at ITL who was a technical author. Maybe he could do the user manual. :)
I like the idea that reality itself is generated from the collection of all our consciouses. Like when scientists have break through ideas, then they test it, and discover that the idea that they generated with their minds, is actually true
@@david94549- That’s a combination of abstract thought and scientific method. As human beings, our capabilities are unconventional. We live in highly artificial niches.
"Sometimes" ...🤣 I have such dynamic dreams that sleep is like stepping into and alternate life, and being woke is like simulated reality.
(see: Sims)
@@somedumbozzie1539 i think the universe scammed us
Hello wonderful Anton Petrov,
Thank you for publishing your wonderful series of videos which make very difficult, fascinating, and sometimes esoteric science accessible to a wide audience of lay people and STEM professionals alike. No doubt you have inspired and educated many with your knowledge and wisdom!
Yo it’s like a heartbeat. The universe has a heartbeat, that’s an interesting idea that I am on board with. Thanks for the video Anton, I love your content because I always learn something new!
6:10 you've misunderstood. this is the whole point of conformal cycles - it doesnt shrink - in the universe when only light exists the concept of distance and scale is pretty much meaningless which Penrose compares to the very moment of big bang - ELI5 is that it gets rescaled .
below from his 2006 paper:
"Physically, we
may think that again in the very remote future, the
universe “forgets” time in the sense that there is no way to
build a clock with just conformally invariant material.
This is related to the fact that massless particles, in
relativity theory, do not experience any passage of time.
We might even say that to a massless particle, “eternity is
no big deal”. So the future boundary, to such an entity is
just like anywhere else. With conformal invariance both
in the remote future and at the Big-Bang origin, we can
try to argue that the two situations are physically
identical, so the remote future of one phase of the
universe becomes the Big Bang of the next"
I said that in my own words just now - thank you for supplying the original :-)
I've misundetstood the lot, which is why I am going to buy one of his T shirts to mask the fact that I'm thick. Although Anton's description does it spell it out for me :) (The CCC thing not that I'm thick)
CCC, while indeed fascinating, seems to leave the problem of the "first BB" open, doesn't it?
@@PrzemyslawSliwinski , there was never a first, our brains have great difficulties to accept that there was always a univere in some state. And still we also find i hard to accept that there was nothing in the beginning,, so hard that we have had to create a creator, a God, to fix that problem.
And still how could there ever have been nothing at some state in time.
I quite like this theory.
@@hurri7720 So do I. Nevertheless, I think that what we have created is - given our limited capabilities - only an image of God.
Anyway, those who do not accept God's existence still need to resolve a status of Platonic world's 'artefacts.'
I survived the "big rip" yesterday when this guy at work stunk up the whole office with a giant black hole. And just like those you mentioned it left evidence long afterwards. it's intersting these mega disasters are still happening.
Eat hummus. Payback.
It's all gas at the end of the day and at the beginning once again. Think in terms of gas disks.
I enjoy riding in the vehicle of your mind. Looking forward to the next leg of the journey, buckle up!
Interesting and well presented. Just one linguistic thing: Penrose's ideas on this are not "proof"; they are, at most, 'evidence'. :-)
It’s just an idea was the last thing said
@@ThomasKelly669 Yes indeed. That's why the video title should be "Interesting Idea..." rather than "Interesting *Proof*...".
🙂
@@MyMateGeorge the guy is doing a great job on a brilliant channel Making his science understandable, You can please some people sometimes but you can’t please all the people all of the time
@@ThomasKelly669 That is true. And what I said is true too. You can make one tiny point of correction and there is always someone who get pointlessly annoyed about it.
We usually call this clickbait. This isnt proof and anton knows well. Overly bombastic titles are just how ge does it.
As far as I understand it, Penrose does not propose a bug crunch, but rather suggests that size itself is an emergent property that comes about with matter. When there is only energy left size disappears once again. His theory is based on states of entropy. Glad to see his ideas mentioned here. Thanks for your wonderful videos.
Do you have any sources I could use to read up on that, sounds really interesting but couldn't find anything through Google but that probably due using the wrong search terms
Yes, I think additionally that Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology concept suggests that in the far distant future, once the universe has massively expanded and matter has turned to photons, that: a) photons have no internal clocks as they travel at 'c' so the universe no longer has a clock or time; b) thereby, since time and distance are linked, the size of the universe becomes indeterminate (but it is still conformal, ie the same shape as it was before); so c) if the universe is no longer big or small then it can be described as infinitely small, ie the origination state of a subsequent big bang, rinse and repeat ad infinitum. So, yes, I agree that the big crunch vs big tear query is not the point.
Man I don't know about anyone else but when I hear Anton's voice and I learn his name and that he wants to talk about space, I just wanna be this guy's friend. Just sounds like a very cool dude to hang out with.
Anton is a cool guy! Super down to Earth personality. Although he no longer lives in Canada. I'm proud that he did live in Canada.
I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
Your videos are so fascinating. They make you think of things that you've maybe never considered before.
I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
It would be dope as hell if we eventually take a series of extremely high resolution photos of the CMB, and end up finding some kind of encoded message from the previous universe. Or some kind of wake, or aftershock from a pre-big-bang mass civilization dying out. An effective communication method which can transcend time, to that extent...Wow, the implications are huge if these structures really are echoes from a previous cosmological cycle.
😳 This kind of stuff transcends the most wild science fiction I’ve ever read. I’ve read about trillion year AI’s who disassemble the entire universe and rebuild it as part of the structure of itself.
The concept of a sort of library of information from previous universes… What if our universe has cycled more times than we even have numbers to count to? Imagine the information that would be stored over the countless years.
Could one become a god with this sort of scale? What if the purpose of this eternal cyclical universe is for a being to emerge that’s capable of creating their own universe? What if this is a test of divinity?
Still leaves the ultimate annoying question. If this was designed, what created the designer? If this wasn’t designed, why does it exist at all?
I’ve thought about the idea of eternal nothing, folding onto nothing. Given a scale of true infinity in both the sense of time and space. Could a truly empty plane of existence, form into something tangible? Even if space and time doesn’t exist in true nothing, it has to have boundaries. Something exists, which challenges the notion of nothing. If there was nothing, everywhere, then something couldn’t exist. Something does exist, so nothing must have a boundary. That nothing must also be responsible for that something existing. Something can’t come from nothing, unless nothing is real.
It would seem to make sense that for nothing to exist, something would also have to exist. Even nothing requires a definition. What defines true nothingness? Is true nothing capable of generating something?
It says…drink your Ovaltine.
That would suck if you left the oven on in the other universe
Probably the reason for microwave backgrounds
That's what caused the Big Bang!
@@Jmatad21😂
As said in Battlestar Galactica, “all this has happened before, and will happen again.”
If space is inite and time is infinite then the same events will recur eternally. Fredrick Nietzsche. He hated the implications of the concept, bus saw no way around it.
The other thought is that What Da Math--the going back to the big bang is a mathmatical limit. At the limit the equation ceases to make sense.
So say we all.
What was it in Lexx? If you can see far enough back you can see the future.
In Stellaris there is a mini event called "The Worm" or something along those lines, the emblem described for it is a serpent or something similar forming a circle and eating it's own tail. The whole theme for the event is "what will be was, and what was will be again", indicating an infinite loop of time that constantly repeats or resets itself until something finally changes. A very good and interesting event chain.
@Vendicar Kahn the analogy is representing all of time, implying that all of time loops and repeats with subtle differences but overall being the same, so how is all of time small scale?
Fascinating and thought-provoking. Thank you!
You are very versatile. I really enjoy your videos and your perspective, so, thank you. I like to keep an open mind and really reach out there and your stuff really contributes to my thoughts. Awesome, thank you.
“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.” (Robert Jordan)
Why does this remind me of something in lotr
@@impanda8865 I cant tell if you are making a clever sarcastic joke or genuinely curious :thinking: lol
*tugs braid
"hen the Age that gave it birth comes again.” "
That is exactly what I needed to know about the Wheel of Time. So it is a cyclical time story.
NO EFFING WAY am I wasting TIME on another of those. The whole concept is a literally a circle jerk.
Ethelred Hardrede
@@kaimehrkens5900 oh man i was completely serious, I googled it, this is exactly a quote in Lord of the rings.
Plot twist: The old universe was our universe in the future. :p
Plot Twist:
Somehow someone managed to discover the truth to all this and the universe replaced itself with something even stranger
Hits blunt lmao
what made you think that? in general, that could be possible. there’s no telling how time operates on that level.
@@Zaluskowsky I like that idea. The universe could be hyperdimensional torus where at least 4 basic dimensions are vast with several also impactful (electromagnetic or gravitational forces showing distortions in the spacetime)
The old universe was this one but played in reverse. Instead of the Big Rip it was the Big Crunch. Then once this one rips time gets reversed again and it all crunches into the old universe.
There's a Closer To Truth interview with Penrose where he describes this theory. He actually does not describe it as the big crunch we usually hear about. The way he describes it involves the universe expanding to a point where space and time become meaningless sort of creating a singularity again. This is quite different from the typical big crunch theories.
Anton hello to you!
I have been off for a while meaning I have been ill. So I am glad to get back to school with you and look at what I have missed. Great to be Back....🎉
Aussie chrisso 🇦🇺.
No matter how many universes have existed, the ultimate question remains: "Why is there something, instead of nothing?". The answer is of course "42", but that is only known by a select few.
the answer is * in fact not 42
It's a -(-42)...by this time....but that's still 42!
Not why but why not.
It's 1.13377
Basically you can't get something from nothing without a creater
"375,000 years ago"
* 375,000 years after Big Bang
Yeah, he makes simple mistakes like that occasionally
I caught it too. Simple misstatement.
2nd language
ah. thanks. i was a bit worried now that my soul had transmuted into a different universe
Thanks, I was going to point that out! An honest mistake
I've always just assumed the universe was a figment of it's own imagination.
Actually, the universe is an impurity in the state of non-being, and the ultimate statement on the transience of all things.
Thats the magic question. Duality. Is it real, or is it a dream? (Wake me up when your done.)
@@stefanschleps8758 The world is a dream, unless my dream is real.
@@stevesloan7132 A huge picture of the universe from outside its boundaries (if there are any) probably looks like a system of neural connections. We could simply be within the mind of something inconceivable.
We've got a lot to process here
I have long held this particular thought myself. There is not just one universe, but many happening in succession.
I recommend reading Isaac Asimov's short story "The Last Question". Good story
The best tag line in science fiction. No, won't chuck in a spoiler.
I feel like that's closer to the actual truth of existence.....we are our own Gods....
Life is not a question. There does not need to be an answer.
One of his best
@@ericwilliams7374 we create our own gods in our image
A few years ago I was in a astronomy class where I suggested something very similar to this.
My idea was that the cycle of the universe was shaped something like a bunch of hourglasses stacked on top of each other, where there would be a "big bang" followed by a period before it reached some point of no return, where everything started getting sucked to one point down the line. Like the biggest black hole you could imagine. When everything was in that (gonna use black hole again here) one singular point... BOOM. New universe.
And over and over again.
Professor laughed and made fun of me to the class getting a good laugh.
After that none of my classmates would work in groups with me cause the professor kept making fun of me for it whenever I raised my hand, so eventually I stopped raising my hand and then never took another astronomy class after that semester.
I just couldn't understand why he was so sure that the big bang was the BEGINNING in all caps.
I mean I always thought that the whole point of science was to question untill there were no questions to ask. Not blindly regurgitate longheld the consensus views.
wow dude that fucking sucks, pursue this idea and dont let other people pull you down!
They laught because they can't reach the level of your giniousity
What's the name of the professor? Let's destroy his email
Your professor is like those scientist back then who some thought the world was flat, nothing can break the sound barrier & flying was impossible.
"The Big RIP..." thank you Anton for inspiring a universe of fart jokes 🤣
A RIP so Big that even Uranus wouldn’t survive it
@@Blood-PawWerewolf see. You took it and ran with it. These are the things greatness is made of 🔥👍
OMG! I can't believe that never crossed my mind! I have a fart joke gear in my frontal lobe and it let me down. It malfunctioned, I must eat some beans...
There are gases throughout the Universe. Does that make the Universe nothing more than one big fart?
I abhor toilet humour, it’s so facile!
Anton you are killing it. Bro, I love the visuals for the evaporating black holes. Cool, mind expanding topic. And then I saw another one today where you explain the Dyatlov incident. Bruhhh and then in the sidebar suggestions?-- New study suggests 36 alien civilization in the Milky Way. Subscribed. Click. Yuss.
I remember Futurama did an episode based on the idea the universe basically restarts in their forward time machine.
Just watched that yesterday
Sounds like Hindu cosmology where the universe is cyclically created and destroyed
We really have two options at the moment: either believe that matter/energy came into existence from nothing and will eventually return to non-existence for eternity, or matter/energy always existed and will always exist in a constant state of motion. We may still be at the relative beginning of the expansion of the universe and whatever is propelling everything away from everything else at an accelerating rate may run out in time for gravity to slow, and eventually retract, all space bodies.
Yes! This was my first thought as i clicked on the video!
Interesting but i think this only the second time as abrahamic religions says and it's TRIGGERED by someone because as we see right now the universe is spreading faster and faster . and there's nothing as it's gonna collapse on it's self . it's just impossible no mater what no mater the chances for this to happen by coincidence.
Many more than the Hindu believed in a great solar cycle
The Egyptian "shen" glyph for "eternity" is a rope, folded in a loop without ends, folding itself
Great to see this being covered, I’ve liked CCC and penrose for a couple of years
It makes sense on an intuitive level, though the big question then has to be: Where did the first universe come from?
The caption says "Interesting *PROOF* that another verse existed before our own", but then, just 38 seconds into the video, you admit that we really have no idea what existed before, or if anything did at all. I appreciate your honesty, well, other than in the caption (which makes this click bait).
I kinda feel the fabric of space has a point of greatest tension allowed like a spring, however this spring cannot loose its springiness. So when everything expands as far as it can, it whips back to that finite starting point generating an incalculable amount of energy and another bang occurs.
I am a scientific moron, but I love watching Anton because, yes, I actually do learn things!
Same
May I ask what have you learned with this video?
@@Aufenthalt That black holes are at both the beginning of and end of our universe and that it is likely that we are not the first or last of many universes. Oh, and if I'm wrong, the Big Rip will happen and, well, the end of the end.
I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
7:23, I had the same idea back in high school when learning about quantum computing.
Excellent.
This topic has consumed my time for several years now and I am happy to see your clip on Hawking Points.
Well, if we can still see remains of the past universe, did it really ever end?
That's a good point
Effects of it doesn't mean it still exists.
One man's ceiling is another man's floor. One universe's big rip is another universe's big bang.
Wave. Function. Collapse.
If we are observing a past Universe, then it can't really be a "past" universe because unless quantum theory is literally universal, are we really seeing remnants of a past universe? And if Superposition is to be believed, how do we know it's from the past?
It sounds like the universe carries old scars.
375,000 years is the time post-expansion, from "time zero", not looking back from the present date.
I was going to comment the same thing but hopefully everyone or close to everyone knew what he meant.
Oh, thanks😅
Good looking out. I'm paused on that graph.Then i remembered that Anton's comment section is cool about things like this.
Jeff Hambleton well one day it may be
@@ivanemilov522 May be what , the begining of another end or the end of another begining ?
This still does nat address the existence of the
" MULTI VERSE " , just a single Univii ossilation within the greater matrix of
" THE MULTI VERSE " !!!!
I seriously love all of your videos.
One of my favorite topics to think about right here. I currently believe we're in just one of an unknown number of universes that have come to exist and eventually ran their course and went cold, ending in the birth of a new universe through some as of yet undiscovered natural phenomenon. If the conditions were right for our universe to be created once, that suggests it has or will happen again.
Before watching the video. The universe could be in the shape of a torus, where we have an oscillating universe, inflating for a time and shrinking for a time respectively.
I like the idea of universes spawning out of nothing in an empty universe. Like the idea that once everything in this universe is at maximum entropy it just drops to a lower state and then becomes a new universe.
Great food for thoughts as always! Much appreciated.
A “regenerating universe” as I’ve always called it, does sound plausible. But what I want to know is, does the universe restart with the same fundamental laws of physics every time?
I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
Someone on a radio show called coast to coast once said "we will only know five seconds after we due"
The title should have ended with a "?" or the word "proof" should not have been used. Nevertheless, it was interesting Anton.
Anton makes the same mistake within the video. @8:20, he said the study "was able to prove the existence of so-called cyclical universes", before going on to say that it was just an idea.
Penrose’s theory has been developed for years. It’s not based on nothing, it’s actually the only model which doesn’t collide with the 2nd law of thermodynamics
MrKennyBones still we don’t know for sure. Don’t get me wrong this video is good but we still don’t know
I concur with Jonas (although the title does seem kinda overstated to me...). Strictly speaking, "Proof" in the sense of absolute certainty doesn't apply at all outside of mathematics or formal logic. The theories that best explain the most with the fewest assumptions are better than the other contenders. "Proof" really can't have any definite meaning in the natural sciences, things can only be "proved" to some standard or other.
And I can prove it.
It’s a proof. It could be that the proof has incorrect assumptions and/or implications. Think of the use of the phrase “proof of concept”
I watch your channel as I love how the mysteries of the universe eventually get explained one by one and also because you explain it in a way that the everyday person can kind of understand .
But needless to say , every new post blows my mind 😂
always love your videos
the universe continues to amaze me
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer" -MultiVac
Ohh, a delight for sure!! Be well ES.
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Well, I am very happy for this Discovery because it fits into my own hypothesis of spacetime and Gravity to complete relativity... Nothing to do with blackholes from before time, but rather something at the beginning of time itself. It explains what this is and even dark matter quite well. A very simple answer in front of our eyes...someone will realize...
But since I don't know the mathematics of it, I can only write a paper of the thought experiments :(
This great story came to my mind aswell.
'The last question' came to my mind as well
''Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that, we would know a lot more about the nature of the Universe than we do now'' - Douglas Adams, the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
And the poor whale had just come to terms with being a whale, before he had to come to terms with no longer being a whale.
It was probably dropped before, and was simply re-potted after the fact. Or, death is in fact a human construct. And we are all living the same live, separated by different instances of death. One conciousness, divided amongst itself.
Before even the Mice, Doug Adams WAS.
I didn't like that "book" the first time I skimmed it. But your comment makes me want to give it another chance. It just felt like propaganda the first time. I like my science to be straight forward.
I cant help but visualize micro and macrocosms connecting everything. The universe, contrary to some data, will have a big squeeze, and if u watch it sped up, the process looks like a pulse. Bang, expand, collapse, repeat. Its like a heartbeat.
Its like we are a tiny piece of some huge life form, and our entire universe lifespan is just a mere heartbeat.
Love it great work my friend
You are by far my favorite person now👍I love this show!
Hi Anton, I love your videos and this is another great one. However, you might want to do a small edit at roughly 2:30 sec, where you mistook the CMB as having happened only 300000 odd years ago when what you meant to say was that the CMB happened 300000 odd years after the Big Bang.
Every black hole is a pocket universe.
When stuff falls in the black hole, the black hole expand.
That expansion is the acceleration of the expansion of that pocket universe.
Hello Anton, you are a wonderful person! Thank you for a new channel to listen while I study!
Pretty crazy idea that one universe might die and another might rise from its remnants. Like the phoenix rising from its own ashes.
Just like some of our plants need fire to procreate, crazy stuff.
Yes, explaining the CMB is important. Apparently they account for the order of the universe. Anything that makes it look like the universe was designed must be explained away,
The same thing with the "informational panspermia'" hypothesis Anton mentions: bits of leftover information from the past universe accounting for order in the current universe.
Just hope nobody recognizes that both of these explanations for order simply kick the can back up the alley to where the order, or anything, came from in the first place.
These sure are two good band aids to help lessen the cognitive dissonance engendered by denying design.
The theoretical cyclical nature of the (re)creations of the universe has been a foundation to several sci fi stories, and some notable TV series, such as Battlestar Galactica (the 2000s version) and Lexx. Both riveting in their own ways.
And hinduism. They wrote this down thousands of years ago.
@@ZDarabos You are correct and I completely agree with you. I am a Hindu and according to my ancient Hindu religion, Brahma (the creator of this universe in Hindu mythology) created this universe 155 trillion years ago and this universe will exist for a total of 311 trillion years. And when Brahma dies, this universe will 'die' along with him. Then a new Brahma will be born who will create a new universe to take the place of the old universe. And this process continues forever, without a beginning and without an end. My ancient Hindu religion also teaches that there are an infinite number of universes and each of those universes experience an infinite cycle of births (which you can call 'Big Bangs' in a modern scientific way) and deaths (which you can call 'Big Crunches' in a modern scientific way).
Thank again , Anton , for teaching us about our Universe.
I've heard Penrose explain this theory several times. According to him, CCC does NOT postulate a big crunch. Basically the universe continues to expand (as is the widely accepted view), and from that expansion the new universe emerges. However at that point, no matter is interacting with any other matter and space is so expanded there is no relative scale anymore. I don't claim to understand it but that's the super condensed version of how he explains.
Roger Penrose is a brilliant man, I love watching his talks. *added* If I remember right, the last thing I saw from Roger on this subject didn't need a "crunch" at the end. I'm about to go find that video of his again actually.
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@@letsgobrandon186 low hanging fruit sir. Well played.
7:25 Imagine a being rushing to transmit that data at the last moment, tossing it into the rapidly closing vortex while its own universe chaotically dwindles into nonexistence. Alternatively, the big bang could've also been a backfired attempt to make space travel easier. An advanced civilization created a way to contract the universe, but once they set the process in motion, they couldn't undo what they had done. The device caused irreparable damage to spacetime, so they had no choice but to preserve whatever information they could in the next universe's CMB.
Nice idea for a S.F book, just write it. It would be great !
Thank you for these ideas.
Yet another fantastic mind-blowing topic Anton! 🤯.. keep up the good work!
Hey Anton, I enjoy your videos. Thank you.
I'm just a lay person, of course, but I don't think you got Penrose's theory right, based on his description of the theory.
He does not predict a big crunch, exactly. He says that once the universe is empty, and basically only photons are around, which thenselves don't "experience" time from their own perspective, and thus go to infinity instantly, the cosmos loses all sense of scale. It can't tell how big it is. Basically it gets bigger and bigger and bigger until there are only photons left and it can't tell how big it is anymore and BANG, a new aeon.
I don't think I gave it justice here off the top of my head, but check it out!
... and even regular massive particles lose their mass over time, called "mass fadeout" in the CCC theory.
I was going to put this in but you've made the comment - great that you've made it! Essentially he says all mass either decays - i.e. all particles e.g. protons have a half-life and they will dissappear eventually (although we've never seen this happen so there is that...) or mass will be trapped by black holes, which slowly dissappear via Hawking radiation. Hence the universe will eventually just become space-time and photons. And then with the loss of all mass, the universe becomes scale invariant as you say, which in Penrose's argument is identical to the conditions at start of the big bang. I am pretty sure it's not a big crunch at the end, because the universe does not collapse in size but can quite happily continue expanding till the end of the cycle. So something weird is happening at that point that seems to 'renormalise' space-time and particle size etc... At least that's my inexpert reading of it!
What I am wondering about in Penrose's theory, is how do the photons renormalise their locations of distances in such a case where the space between two points is not simply huge or expanding, but also in a case where space is expanding faster than the light. In case the space moves faster than photons. How can photons overcome that? Because even after infinite time the photons should not be able to overcome distances that rip faster than the photons.
Penrose's model seems almost metaphysical but he must have some interesting arguments to support it. I wonder how the fading of the last remaining little gravitational effect can suddenly affect the whole universe.
Hello Anton, loved your video, brought back memories from around 98 when I was attending RSE and the Ram was explaining the creation and demise of a universe. If you take the picture of your black hole and make it the center of a hour glass shape instead of a one sided affair, and then have all of creation moving out and around this structure and back into the black hole and out the other side, on and on, you get a re generated universe picture. Gabillions of years, go by, ? In our minds but not really. One thing to contemplate is: are, each of the universe models a separate dream in the mind of ... God ? I wish I had a way to show you that hour glass model of the universe, you would like it. R.C.
I think of it as a eternal heart beat. We and the universe constantly relive out our lives over and over again, but in slightly different ways. Maybe I am wrong, who knows 🤔
That would be amazing. Not reincarnation as it were but literally playing out every possible variant of your life for eternity. What an interesting proposition.
I love your channel. Your presentation is always informative, well delivered, and sparks my imagination. Thank you.
-Mike
Love your videos. Love the Shirts. Got my Daughter a WONDERFUL PERSON shirt recently. THANKS
You should use Space Engine and take cool pictures of something and make a poster of it. Go to display and set the window to be in a ratio of what a poster would be, and then multiply that by like 3x to expand the display up to capture more detail, take the screenshot, then go get it printed
And in the slight chance you don't know what Space Engine is, it's what he uses in the video. It's free.
love your work
Thanks, Anton for that very interesting recitation of this theory proposed by Penrose. I have wondered what possible sign could indicate what came before the BB.
I mean this with the absolute most respect: Anton is an adorable man.
no, he is a wonderful person :)
Hes so precious
All of those... no homo
We must protect him at any, and all costs.
Creepy
Sir Roger Penrose is a legend
Diablo 2 BotWatch He also thinks consciousness is created by quantum entangled microtubules in the brain. 🤪
I am a huge fan.💋😙💖
There was a time when Hawking thought that black holes could not exist, but Penrose proved to him that they must exist.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Check out the CE-5 The Movie.
@Sammy Smith Check out Dr. Steven Greer's channel and his CE-5 movie that just launched. The "one big shared consciousness" would explain a lot of psychic, spiritual, and extraterrestrial phenomena.
Another simple explanation . Anton you are the best teacher!
Ive always thought the big bag was kind of like an hourglass, everything was absorbed by black holes and eventually they merged and became so large and condensed in one spot then exploded back out into space, everything is slowly collecting into planets and gas cloud etc but eventually everything will be absorbed by black holes again and it will repeat.
Not gonna lie, i want those theories to be true, it gives a kind of relief to know the universe doesn't end with just evaporating black holes and restart again
Same here. If the death of the universe isn't the end of everything, even if we're all forgotten, at least there's a chance that the next universe will have occupants who could know that there was a previous one. It'd be nice to know that something about us continues on, even if it's just the effects our universe has on the next one, and it'd be nice to know that there will be a next one so it all doesn't end here.
@ClandestineOstrich Probably, I'd consider it emotion as well.
@@smugegeez1406 Emotions come from survival needs. Single celled organisms need to feel emotions. Emotional systems exist in pretty much every organism we have looked at. Emotion means an automatic program that runs in response to a stimuli (chemical / hormonal changes as a result). So fear to make you run. Hunger when you see food to encourage you to eat. Good when you did something useful for the organism so that behavior will be encouraged again, etc.
@@genostellar Must have been an infinite number of cycles before this one.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 Who knows? There could have even only been one before, or this one could be the only one. Until we find out for sure, who can say?
After the big rip, when the fabric of space is in pieces, could those pieces collapse into a big crunch?
Anton has completed misinterpreted what a conformal transformation is, your argument is actually closer to what Penrose has proposed. Its more that photons don't care about traveling huge distances in huge amounts of time, since they're undergoing time dilation. Everything is instantaneous from their perspective. The next big bag basically happens at infinity+1.
Oopsies.
@@woobilicious. Seen from the photon's perspective: Time = 0, so the photon does not experience any traveling at all since the photon is killed (transformed) at the same moment it was created. What I don't understand is how it can accelerate up to the speed of light instantly. They say the photon does not accelerate because it only exists at light speed.
If a spaceship had the ability to reach the speed of light by some technical means and travel for 80 years at the speed of light and then slow down again, you would not feel or sense anything of those 80 years, you would just see it almost reach the speed of light and slow down again 80 years later, without understanding the time that passed. Must be a big surprise looking at the cameras recording the trip afterwards. Well, you would have to let the computer show you the most interesting parts or planetary passages, since you cannot spend 80 years looking at the recorded sequence.
Lul the big rip
@@woobilicious. You mean ordinal ω would be an actual legit date in universe time?
Seems quite puzzling. Isnt it that the universe kinda crushes into photons' own time which is a single instant, making the whole previous world's history be worth no time in the new world's reference? In some sense the old universe is moving at light speed compared to the new universe
Although those two ways of seeing this idea may be strictly equivalent (mathematical point of view vs relativity p.o.v.)
Honestly, it makes sense. Once the universe is perfectly equalized, what dictates distance? There would no longer be any information send from one point to another. The death of the universe would be nothing more than a fractal of it's birth.
This feels like that moment in the Doctor Who episode where 12 is trapped in a castle, and realises with horror that he's actually been through this thousands of times before already...
Little did Dr. Penrose knew that 6 months after Anton makes this video about him, he'll win the Nobel Prize.
this really reminded me of one of exurb1a's older videos: "Why is There Something Rather Than Nothing?
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i strongly recommend anyone interested in philosophy to watch it ...in fact that whole channel is great, so check it out!
Yeah, he's very good.been subbed a couple of years now.
There's planty of nothing in my head when I'm reading philosophy.
Remind me of it as well. Great channel
Nothing is unstable.
Ah a fellow tool fan. Favorite track?
What it sure seems like is that the Universe explodes, expands, cools, condenses, heats up, explodes, and expands again with endless possibilities created in each new expansion. Like an eternal engine firing...
Yes, explaining the CMB is important. Apparently they account for the order of the universe. Anything that makes it look like the universe was designed must be explained away,
The same thing with the "informational panspermia'" hypothesis Anton mentions: bits of leftover information from the past universe accounting for order in the current universe.
Just hope nobody recognizes that both of these explanations for order simply kick the can back up the alley to where the order, or anything, came from in the first place.
These sure are two good band aids to help lessen the cognitive dissonance engendered by denying design.
@@christianfrommuslim Religion tries vehemently to take the inductive argument of the ancient folklore of there being some invisible Sky Daddy, who made everything, and then says if there are any type of working systems, it is then proof of design, and therefore, designer. Its simply a fallacial argument supported by ultra indirect, and unscientific methods. You are welcome to believe what you want to, even though to be honest, people believing what they want, rather than whats true and right and provable is why we are at the precipice of ignorance at which we currently find ourselves. If religion were true, it wouldnt have to be proven, it would be self-evident, it would be inborn. It is the artificial construct of a primitive species who want answers more than they want knowledge. Religion is the ultimate form of organized delusion, and cognitive dissonance on parade. I wish you well.
“All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.” - Number Six
No Penrose does not claim the universe ends in a big crunch, he claims the opposite. Please research more. The infinite expansion of the last universe is the big bang of this one.
Yes I was going to make the same comment. Penrose is suggesting that the scale of the universe is meaningless when there is nothing left but photons because they do not experience time. And if there is no time, there are no clocks, and if there are no clocks, distance has no meaning because there is no measurement. We are left with a very highly smooth and scale-less space with no meaningful size. Sounds a lot like the conditions of the big bang?
Additionally, the evidence he suggests we can find in the CMB are the gravitational rings left over from evaporating black holes at the end of the previous Aeon. There are studies of the CMB that claim these rings have been observed.
@@GenXCoder It is a heat difference. Not gravitational waves. The supermassive black holes left towards the end slowly contain all the energy of the universe, evaporate slowly and that evaporated energy only spreads out so much, leaving round areas that are slightly hotter than the background.
@@0ooTheMAXXoo0 maybe the last universe changed somehow after it squeezed together, making the end of this one inevitably different. If the theory is true then imagine what the 'first' universe's laws might've been like. Also in this case, the word "universe" is then completely relative, since a "universe" would just be just a series of events marked by a beginning and restarting of our understanding of entropy divided into units of "time", each being their own 'universe'
@@smurfchoker1 if you consider that the big bang violated pretty much every natural law it would seem that the universe only has one true natural law: there can never be nothing
Thank you Anton for all that you do.
Such a great video. Thank you.
Thank you Anton. It's interesting how long it takes physicists to catch up to the Veda's.
Speaking of which, I have one word for you. "Kalpa".
You're kidding right?, if not I have a word for you.
I wonder which iteration of the universe we are in, how many cycles could have passed...
Infinite number. If there was a first cycle, what caused that? Was that cause eternal? if no then what caused that cause? If you keep expanding your thinking backwards you realize that the there can be no true beginning.