Coming back to this video three years later, you can clearly hear a difference. He is much more confident sounding today, having cut out the umms, uhhs, and stutters. It’s good to look back and see how people have grown.
+Nizzahon Magic Tbh I'd rather you put your favorites, but I can't deny this is a good list. You have a system so no one can complain. And I love the fact that you put all the dragons in number 3 together to fit in a larger variety of cards.
I love the objective data for scoring. Anybody can just say I like this card or I don't like that card but the numbers don't lie. I imagine compiling all that data takes a lot of work but just know it's appreciated.
As a player since alpha. Red is goblins Green is elves Blue is merfolk Black is zombies White is angels Artifact is golems. All lifelong magic players know, "fireballs can't melt steel golems."
White they have said tentatively is humans, but tbh i feel Kor or Catfolk is a closer representative race. Iconics are the big creatures of the colors, and representative races are the common creatures of the colors
I was a little surprised to not see Kokusho on here. During Kamigawa block I played a mono-black Kokusho + Goryo's Vengeance deck. Accelerate to Kokusho on turn 4 turn 5 swing, Goryo another Kokusho in the graveyard, legendary rule blow up, 15 damage in one turn and you heal 10. It was brutal fun
@@colinbrown74 Merfolk are the REPRESENTATIVE Blue creatures of Magic and Sphinxes are the ICONIC Blue creatures. As for the other colors: Red-Goblins/Dragons Black-Zombies/Demons Green-Elves/Hydras White-Humans/Angels
They never should have changed the art for Shivan Dragon. Everything about that art, the colors used and the way they offset one another, the framing and the angle, it's all so perfect. The card was iconic and it deserved and got an iconic image to make it complete. I still play Red primarily and that card was a huge part of why I fell in love with that color.
I always enjoy coming back these older vids, I find it interesting to see what's held in these snapshots in time. I loved Dragonlord Atarka back in Theros/Khans standard. Getting to use and abuse Atarka's ETB withWhip of Erebos & Bow of Nylea was one of my favorite things I could do 💚❤️🖤
Pretty naive list. Anyone with just a bit of knowledge of Magic The Gathering can easily demonstrate who REALLY is on the top of this list by a very basic formula: (Z->)90° - (E-N²W)90°t=1
Gosh I loved running Thunderbreak Regent in my modern Goblin deck. I used to run a pair for late game and somehow lucked out several times with drawing them just when I needed them.
I would like to honorable mention the original dragon legends, called Elder Dragon Legends. As they spawned a format that thrives and is still popular today, mainly EDH. Chief among them was Nicol Bolas, who is rumored to be returning in his walker form in the next block.
Nizzahon Magic Yeah. Oh, and with card that has "Reveal a dragon or have a dragon in play," can I reveal a card like Dragonlord Atarka to fill that cost?
A fun historical/flavor bit on Stormbreath Dragon: its name is likely a reference to Stormseeker, a green sorcery from Legends, the text of which is functionally the effect of Stormbreath's Monstrosity ability. So from a flavor perspective, the Monstrosity is the dragon using its breath.
I can't argue your criteria or rankings, you did a well thought out and put together list for this one, bravo. I would like to honorable mention Mirrorwing Dragon for it's very interesting ability and combo potential, Skithiryx the Blight Dragon because Infect+Regenerate is plainly absurd, and the oddball Slumbering Dragon for it's uniqueness and the effect it has on early game decisions your opponant makes.
Rorix was a part of a precon standard deck during onslaught, a blue red morph deck, skirk alarmists, chrome shell crabs, imperial hellkites, dermoplasm and such.
DL silumgar was the first rare i got after my small hiatus from magic, while im not in the competitive scene, he is the ace of my best deck and is my favorite card that i have
Dragon Tyrant is the best dragon in the game. He costs like a billion mana to get out. You must pay another half million every turn after he's in play. He'll never get to do anything because any opponent that sees him coming for them will inevitable have removal in their hand. But he is still the best dragon in the game. It's been my dream to one day actually get the opportunity to attack with him.
I'm new (not even a week) into mtg, and looking to make Commander with dragons my thing. Bought Draconic Domination to start, and ALOT of drags on this list seem to fit synergy of the deck (if not just raw-value on their own). Thanks so much for making this!
Enduring scalelord is a great green-white dragon, if you can get two out and find a way to put a counter on one of them you will essentially have two creatures with infinite power and toughness.
Kolagahan sees play in both Vintage and a few Legacy Dredge builds as a Dread Return Target. Dromoka\Ojutai both have seen some Nic Fit Legacy play as well where Dromoka sees alot more play then Ojutai. In reality Silumgar and Atarka are the least playable out of the cycle. They are still very good though Thunderbreak Regent also sees some Legacy play in Dragon Stompy(Blood Moon decks using it as a finisher but has fallen alittle out of favor due to Hazoret the fervent and Chandra tourch of defiance)
Shivan Dragon is a win condition for a lot of games I’ve played because if they don’t have flying or removal by the time I play him I pump him up to 12 or 13 and normally at that point in the game I win.
Keiga represents more of a 3-for-1 because you have to kill Keiga, you lose a creature, and you have to kill the stolen creature - it was backbreaking back in the day.
Ugh, I realize that I did the same thing back in Kamigawa block for Eiganjo Castle (I still think of it pronounced this way), but Japanese is not German. "Ei" is pronounced in Japanese like in "neighbor" and "weigh". And everyone tended to pronounce Keiga correctly from what I recall, so it's strange to hear someone pronounce it wrong. Even worse, you then pronounce the "ei" correctly on Yosei!
Atarka, World Render is a pretty awesome Dragon. Since we have Rhythm of the Wild, it's even more awesome. Maybe only edh and homebrew decks use her though...
I know Kilnmouth Dragon is technically bad, but it's super fun in casual play. Though I purposefully avoid competitive formats because it's not quite as fun being forced into a very set number of decks if you don't want to be stomped.
I expected the Dragonlords to be higher but that might be because I play a Niv-Mizzet Reborn EDH deck with all of them in it(They will be soon. I don't have the money for Dromoka and Ojutai yet)
I think that Hypersonic Dragon should have been on this list. For (3)(U)(R), you're getting a 4/4 flyer with haste, and it gives all of your sorceries flash. Even if it was never played during the Pro Tour, it's still a good card in my mind.
In my opinion Thunderbreak was better than Siege Rhino and the only reason it didn't see as much play is because red was mediocre during its run in standard. Very few creatures can take out a Thunderbreak on curve and direct removal costs a bolt to the face.
Accurate Top 10 Ranking, my thanks. However, to be a 100% accurate you probably would have to respect in what kind of meta the dragon was played. Broodmate woulve been arguably the most played dragon if there hadnt been Baneslayer Angel in the format, which dodged both broodmate and bitumous blast.
No Eternal Dragon? How does that make sense? That Onslaught cycling deck was broken and for sure used 4. I guess I don't know the stats, but I certainly remember competitive magic at that time.
I remember when me and a buddy first started to play magic when I made a burn deck with a few cards in the whole tarkir block which was three different sets. So I had two of the mardu and two of the storwind deck (I think) with the dash and hast ability, and all he wanted to say was how I had broken the game lol. Four years later he summons almost 40 tokes all at once to the field and gains life for each one, and gives em first strike and vigilance. Now who wins?? My red black hasty dragons or his white tokens? Depends on if I draw into lightning to be honest lol
I don't know how useful Thundermaw would be against spirits. If you're serious about them then you likely have at least one honour of the pure, drogskol etc. But the tapping hurts.
What about lathliss, dragon queen. Every time a non token dragon enters the battlefield Lathliss, the dragon queen creates a 5/5 red dragon token with flying
One of my commander decks has Broodmate and Atarka, but I dont see any of the other dragons up there, also did the Ur Dragon really not get any points?
At 8:24 you say the legendary rule was diffrent at the time which is not true. Kamigawa brought the rule change that if you played a legendary Creature the first 1 played would go to the graveyard and the second 1 would stay. Also the tag Legend was removed and replaced by the now known "legendary Creature - type". Source: started playing at mirrodin when kamigawa came around 10 year old me was blown away by these awesome legendarys!
You're wrong. The Legend rule did change in Kamigawa, and you're right it removed the "legend" creature type and created the "legendary" super type, but you're wrong other than that. The initial rule was that a legendary creature could not be cast if there was one in play with the same name. Kamigawa changed this rule so that you could play it, but both legendaries would go to the graveyard. The rule you're talking about wasn't introduced until Magic 2014. So Kokusho and friends worked the way I say they do. Source: I also played at the time and well before it. Oh, and also a more authoritative source, the article that announced the rules change: magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/legendary-rules-changes-2004-09-10 "2. The legend rule has changed. The new rule is as follows: 420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply."
Woah slow down. red iconic creature is goblins, green is elves black is zombies blue is leviathan/misc sea creatures. What's this talk of hydras and sphinx?
I realize i'm 8 months behind,but still, if you're considering putting runners up in the description on other vids, please do so. I want to see the data you've worked to collect.
Bravo to you for mentioning the original bad boy, the mighty Shivan 👌🏻
3 years later no use in edh
Coming back to this video three years later, you can clearly hear a difference. He is much more confident sounding today, having cut out the umms, uhhs, and stutters. It’s good to look back and see how people have grown.
It's nice to see someone put this much work into a top 10 list, it makes the list much more interesting and meaningful. subscribed
+Ford LaBoube Thanks! Some people don't like it and want me to just choose my favorites. But the majority like the approach!
Ford LaBoube nizzahon makes great content in general tbh I'd be clueless in draft without him lol
+Nizzahon Magic Tbh I'd rather you put your favorites, but I can't deny this is a good list. You have a system so no one can complain. And I love the fact that you put all the dragons in number 3 together to fit in a larger variety of cards.
I love the objective data for scoring. Anybody can just say I like this card or I don't like that card but the numbers don't lie. I imagine compiling all that data takes a lot of work but just know it's appreciated.
As a player since alpha.
Red is goblins
Green is elves
Blue is merfolk
Black is zombies
White is angels
Artifact is golems.
All lifelong magic players know, "fireballs can't melt steel golems."
There are representative races (goblins, merfolk, etc. ) and iconic creature types (dragons, sphinxes, etc.,). They are not the same thing.
Black Lanner you are using the Wizards' definition of "iconic"
White they have said tentatively is humans, but tbh i feel Kor or Catfolk is a closer representative race. Iconics are the big creatures of the colors, and representative races are the common creatures of the colors
So angels are iconic not representative. Same with golems. I would say myr, constructs, or thopters are representative of artifact.
White would be soldiers
Utvara Hellkite.
It's absolutely terrifying.
I have one
@@vrahimishadjihannas884 i have 2
Nice
I got 2, one foil!
If it gets on the field, its basically over. I have a dragon deck with Sarkhan Dragonsoul and Utvara. Its quite rude sometimes.
I was a little surprised to not see Kokusho on here. During Kamigawa block I played a mono-black Kokusho + Goryo's Vengeance deck. Accelerate to Kokusho on turn 4 turn 5 swing, Goryo another Kokusho in the graveyard, legendary rule blow up, 15 damage in one turn and you heal 10. It was brutal fun
Could you do top 10 basic lands at some point? Thanks.
smipth Are you trolling, or do you mean basic land arts? cause that could actually be fun.
I often times hear that island is the best land but I'm a man of science. I need proof not hearsay.
gr8 b8 m8
How can you do a top ten of something that only has 5
Found the assburgers.
The iconic creature for blue is not sphinxes. It is storm crows.
Facestomper Andrew I think Merfolk are more iconic for blue personally. Sphinxes are more Azorius or even Esper to me.
Yes. It's obvious Storm Crows is the iconic creature. OP (Nizz) doesn't know what he is talking about. :P
No I have learned that sphinxes are the iconic for blue because they very powerful. Also they were one of the first cards for blue
Its counters
@@colinbrown74 Merfolk are the REPRESENTATIVE Blue creatures of Magic and Sphinxes are the ICONIC Blue creatures. As for the other colors:
Red-Goblins/Dragons
Black-Zombies/Demons
Green-Elves/Hydras
White-Humans/Angels
They never should have changed the art for Shivan Dragon. Everything about that art, the colors used and the way they offset one another, the framing and the angle, it's all so perfect. The card was iconic and it deserved and got an iconic image to make it complete. I still play Red primarily and that card was a huge part of why I fell in love with that color.
Ok, the 1st place was a big surprise for me! The flying sausage? Amazing!
I am shocked at the lack of Bogarden Hellkite...I thought the Dragonstorm decks did better than they did...
I really like your approach to these top ten lists. It really differentiates you from the hundreds of other lists that all say the same thing
+Trace Gustafson Thanks! Some people don't like that i don't just pick my favorites, but most people seem to like this method.
I always enjoy coming back these older vids, I find it interesting to see what's held in these snapshots in time.
I loved Dragonlord Atarka back in Theros/Khans standard. Getting to use and abuse Atarka's ETB withWhip of Erebos & Bow of Nylea was one of my favorite things I could do 💚❤️🖤
I'm kinda surprised that Bogardan Hellkite didn't crack the top 29.
groovemedium yeah this surprised me to since hunted Borg and rimescale were in a deck that owned for a while
GLORYBRINGER.... oh wait this video came out a year ago..
+No One Yeah I need to do an update at some point - obviously Glorybringer would make it.
Looking back at the story of "Eternal Dragon" and "Bogardan Hellkite", I'm quite surprised.
Top 10 Ravnica guilds would be cool. Of course they'd all end up on the list, but I'd be interested to see the score break down for each one
2:50 10. Rorix Bladewing
4:10 9. Furnace Dragon
5:50 8. Keiga, The Tide Star
7:50 7. Yosei, the Morning Star
9:10 6. Thunderbreak Reagent
10:30 5. Silumgar, the Drifting Death
11:40 4. Broodmate Dragon
13:00 3. All the Dragon Lords from Tarkir
15:40 2. Thundermaw Hellkite
17:00 1. Stormbreath Dragon
Pretty naive list. Anyone with just a bit of knowledge of Magic The Gathering can easily demonstrate who REALLY is on the top of this list by a very basic formula:
(Z->)90° - (E-N²W)90°t=1
Epic
have you ever don top 10 legendary creature's if not it would be a great video i would think.
also great video
Could you do the 10 best card cycles, like the stars, charms, runemarks, etc?
+Conner Howard Thats something I want to do at some point!
Gosh I loved running Thunderbreak Regent in my modern Goblin deck. I used to run a pair for late game and somehow lucked out several times with drawing them just when I needed them.
I would like to honorable mention the original dragon legends, called Elder Dragon Legends. As they spawned a format that thrives and is still popular today, mainly EDH. Chief among them was Nicol Bolas, who is rumored to be returning in his walker form in the next block.
It's bolas, he'll always be back.
now there's glory bringer .
Sasuke!? you came back?!
Dragons is my favorite creature type. And I'm currently working on a dragon deck for modern.
+Josh Dracoian Nice!
Nizzahon Magic Yeah. Oh, and with card that has "Reveal a dragon or have a dragon in play," can I reveal a card like Dragonlord Atarka to fill that cost?
Josh Dracoian yes, you can
+Josh Dracoian Yes any card with Dragon creature type.
Nizzahon Magic Thank you.
A fun historical/flavor bit on Stormbreath Dragon: its name is likely a reference to Stormseeker, a green sorcery from Legends, the text of which is functionally the effect of Stormbreath's Monstrosity ability. So from a flavor perspective, the Monstrosity is the dragon using its breath.
thanks for the vid. Utvara Hellkite is my favorite Dragon in my Dragon deck
scourge of valkas will always have a special place in my heart. it was the first magic card I got excited playing along with siege dragon
Absolutely awesome list!
I can't argue your criteria or rankings, you did a well thought out and put together list for this one, bravo. I would like to honorable mention Mirrorwing Dragon for it's very interesting ability and combo potential, Skithiryx the Blight Dragon because Infect+Regenerate is plainly absurd, and the oddball Slumbering Dragon for it's uniqueness and the effect it has on early game decisions your opponant makes.
Rorix was a part of a precon standard deck during onslaught, a blue red morph deck, skirk alarmists, chrome shell crabs, imperial hellkites, dermoplasm and such.
I wish there was a Dragonlord like the top 4 for each of the 10 guilds.
Wouldn’t make too much sense lore wise with Ravnica but maybe another set?
Great episode. I was a little surprised Bogardan Hellkite and Kokusho, the Evening Star didn't make list.
Your videos have really come a long way!
As an Izzet player, I'm offended Niv isn't somewhere on this list. I demand a refund. Angry face. >:I
I like it that you use a point system to rank these cards instead of just preferences. This debunkers all of the "No ? unsubbed" type of comment.
And yet there are so many of those comments!
DL silumgar was the first rare i got after my small hiatus from magic, while im not in the competitive scene, he is the ace of my best deck and is my favorite card that i have
Think u should have put bogardon hellkite in
He was much played with dragonstorm
Bogardan Hellkite was a bomb back in the day.
Dragon Tyrant is the best dragon in the game.
He costs like a billion mana to get out.
You must pay another half million every turn after he's in play.
He'll never get to do anything because any opponent that sees him coming for them will inevitable have removal in their hand.
But he is still the best dragon in the game.
It's been my dream to one day actually get the opportunity to attack with him.
Wut?
If you're trying to combo, mirrorwing deragon is amazing.
Even without combos hes good
I'm new (not even a week) into mtg, and looking to make Commander with dragons my thing. Bought Draconic Domination to start, and ALOT of drags on this list seem to fit synergy of the deck (if not just raw-value on their own). Thanks so much for making this!
I bought the same deck as my pick lmao, congrats on the great pick
Enduring scalelord is a great green-white dragon, if you can get two out and find a way to put a counter on one of them you will essentially have two creatures with infinite power and toughness.
Furnace dragon was much fun in affinity mirror matches back in the day.
Kolagahan sees play in both Vintage and a few Legacy Dredge builds as a Dread Return Target. Dromoka\Ojutai both have seen some Nic Fit Legacy play as well where Dromoka sees alot more play then Ojutai. In reality Silumgar and Atarka are the least playable out of the cycle. They are still very good though
Thunderbreak Regent also sees some Legacy play in Dragon Stompy(Blood Moon decks using it as a finisher but has fallen alittle out of favor due to Hazoret the fervent and Chandra tourch of defiance)
Thank you for Adding Thunderbreak he is my favorite card in general great in a voracious dragon build with goblins and descent of dragons
Shivan Dragon is a win condition for a lot of games I’ve played because if they don’t have flying or removal by the time I play him I pump him up to 12 or 13 and normally at that point in the game I win.
I couldn't believe Sunscorch Regent wasn't on this list. It has won me so many more games by itself than any other dragon on the list.
I loved the Kamigawa dragons.
Keiga represents more of a 3-for-1 because you have to kill Keiga, you lose a creature, and you have to kill the stolen creature - it was backbreaking back in the day.
Just for note, Keiga the Tide Star, Kolagan, Atarka, and Domoka are all female.
Thank you for affirming my choice for favorite magic card of all time.😊
ANDDDDDD NOW WE HAVE GLORY BRINGER!
Ugh, I realize that I did the same thing back in Kamigawa block for Eiganjo Castle (I still think of it pronounced this way), but Japanese is not German. "Ei" is pronounced in Japanese like in "neighbor" and "weigh". And everyone tended to pronounce Keiga correctly from what I recall, so it's strange to hear someone pronounce it wrong. Even worse, you then pronounce the "ei" correctly on Yosei!
What about ancestor dragon? It costs 6 mana to cast, is a 5/6 and you gain a health for every creature you attack with
Honerable mention to " worldgorger dragon" for some crazy ass infinite combos.
Thank you for the shivan dragon honorable mention.
Love the list, but I hope to see my favorite (and more recent) dragon on this list someday.
Good ole GloryBringer!
Yeah the Bringer would be on the list if I redid it.
Atarka, World Render is a pretty awesome Dragon. Since we have Rhythm of the Wild, it's even more awesome. Maybe only edh and homebrew decks use her though...
Can confirm, both atarkas are in my ur dragon edh deck
I know Kilnmouth Dragon is technically bad, but it's super fun in casual play. Though I purposefully avoid competitive formats because it's not quite as fun being forced into a very set number of decks if you don't want to be stomped.
Thundermaw might also see a resurgence if Dragonstorm ever somehow reenters the Modern meta.
im making it m8
I the past few years we have got some crazy dragons terror of the peaks, goodspan dragon, wither bloom,
i wonder if glorybringer would of made this list that card and mono red in general at that time was so crazy
I expected the Dragonlords to be higher but that might be because I play a Niv-Mizzet Reborn EDH deck with all of them in it(They will be soon. I don't have the money for Dromoka and Ojutai yet)
Im suprised Utvara Hellkite never made this list, the amount of dragons it could pump out is insane
0 points.
I think that Hypersonic Dragon should have been on this list. For (3)(U)(R), you're getting a 4/4 flyer with haste, and it gives all of your sorceries flash. Even if it was never played during the Pro Tour, it's still a good card in my mind.
It is good, but the parameters for this list empirically mean it doesn't make the list.
In my opinion Thunderbreak was better than Siege Rhino and the only reason it didn't see as much play is because red was mediocre during its run in standard. Very few creatures can take out a Thunderbreak on curve and direct removal costs a bolt to the face.
Accurate Top 10 Ranking, my thanks. However, to be a 100% accurate you probably would have to respect in what kind of meta the dragon was played. Broodmate woulve been arguably the most played dragon if there hadnt been Baneslayer Angel in the format, which dodged both broodmate and bitumous blast.
What about mutavault?
😛
You miss the Bogardan Hellkite, the kee dragon of the Dragonstorm deck
No Eternal Dragon? How does that make sense? That Onslaught cycling deck was broken and for sure used 4. I guess I don't know the stats, but I certainly remember competitive magic at that time.
No Bogardan Hellkite?
Covetous Dragon. Key to the old wildfire deck.
I remember when me and a buddy first started to play magic when I made a burn deck with a few cards in the whole tarkir block which was three different sets. So I had two of the mardu and two of the storwind deck (I think) with the dash and hast ability, and all he wanted to say was how I had broken the game lol. Four years later he summons almost 40 tokes all at once to the field and gains life for each one, and gives em first strike and vigilance. Now who wins?? My red black hasty dragons or his white tokens? Depends on if I draw into lightning to be honest lol
Dragonlord Ojutai is actually seeing some fringe modern play in fringe UW control decks.
I pulled 3 stormbreath from packs sad I didn't sell while they were $20
Thinking about finding room in the Ur Dragon deck for all 5 Dragonlords and Dragon Spirits. I already have Kohlagan, Silumgar, and Atarka plus Ryusei
WHT BOUT BALEFIRE DRAGON AND UTVARA HELKITE!!!!!!
Hivis of the Scale wants ALL these Dragons!
where is scitharix the blight dragon
Basically if the dragon has lightning on it's card you're in trouble.
It’s common enough to mispronounce Keiga, but I’m a little surprised you can say Yosei right without noticing the inconsistency.
I has the best magic deck, it had sarkan. Summon as much dragons out of your decks and Flanagan elder Dragon for dragons of tarkar
Yosei Can You See is a massive pain in the ass.
thunderbreak regent as the only flying creature in a deck that has nothing to do with dragons is very effective
I was half-expecting Kilnmouth Dragon due to dragon Synergy and Amplify.
I have all of the dragons in the game at home in my binder right now
Was hoping to see Broodmother here.
I don't know how useful Thundermaw would be against spirits. If you're serious about them then you likely have at least one honour of the pure, drogskol etc. But the tapping hurts.
I was specifically talking about Lingering Souls, no one ran lords with that.
"But what about *Dragons* "
-Shadiversity
A man of culture, I see
What about lathliss, dragon queen. Every time a non token dragon enters the battlefield Lathliss, the dragon queen creates a 5/5 red dragon token with flying
You should really do an update to these top 10s once you've done your full rotation of archetypes
One of my commander decks has Broodmate and Atarka, but I dont see any of the other dragons up there, also did the Ur Dragon really not get any points?
Wonder how this would change today
Curious that so many dragons (all below top 2 in this list) dominated standard but failed to find a home in eternal formats.
Formats like standard prioritize efficient value creatures like dragons, while eternal formats prioritize fast combos.
Is there a top 10 beasts video out yet? I'm extremely curious to see how this creature type performed over the years.
Not yet!
We need an update of this list.
At 8:24 you say the legendary rule was diffrent at the time which is not true. Kamigawa brought the rule change that if you played a legendary Creature the first 1 played would go to the graveyard and the second 1 would stay. Also the tag Legend was removed and replaced by the now known "legendary Creature - type". Source: started playing at mirrodin when kamigawa came around 10 year old me was blown away by these awesome legendarys!
You're wrong. The Legend rule did change in Kamigawa, and you're right it removed the "legend" creature type and created the "legendary" super type, but you're wrong other than that. The initial rule was that a legendary creature could not be cast if there was one in play with the same name. Kamigawa changed this rule so that you could play it, but both legendaries would go to the graveyard. The rule you're talking about wasn't introduced until Magic 2014. So Kokusho and friends worked the way I say they do. Source: I also played at the time and well before it.
Oh, and also a more authoritative source, the article that announced the rules change: magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/legendary-rules-changes-2004-09-10
"2. The legend rule has changed. The new rule is as follows:
420.5e If two or more permanents with the same name have the supertype legendary, all are put into their owners' graveyards. This is called the "legend rule." If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn't apply."
Okay my bad maybe 10 year old me played it wrong then the whole time xD
Woah slow down. red iconic creature is goblins, green is elves black is zombies blue is leviathan/misc sea creatures. What's this talk of hydras and sphinx?
+Tammas Dexter Those are "representative races." not the same thing. Iconic creatures are big usually rare creatures.
so, green's iconic creatures aren't bears?
:(
ROHAN W They are to me! That's why I made a bear tribal deck :p
I realize i'm 8 months behind,but still, if you're considering putting runners up in the description on other vids, please do so. I want to see the data you've worked to collect.