J7W1 In War Thunder : A Basic Review
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Taking a look at the J7W1 Shinden in War Thunder. This was a prototype pusher-prop fighter developed by Japan at the end of WW2
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro & History
02:26 Systems & Weapons
04:22 Flight Performance
06:58 Combat Tactics
09:14 Miscellaneous
10:48 Conclusions - Ігри
it pisses me off to no end that this thing doesnt get an intercepter spawn. it desprately needs it.
It needs a lower BR way more than it needs an air spawn.
@@rainsilentbr won’t be much of an issue for it, since many things from 5.3 can easily catch up to it no problem, the interceptor spawn is what it needed
@@hoangche3995Interceptor spawn won't help it given it doesn't actually have the performance to be competitive at the BR it is at to begin with.
The latest godzilla movie brought me here.
Same
Same
same im researching it with the battle pass b7a2 just so i can fly it in sim and bomb a gojira
I started playing this thing solely for the fact the main character in the new godzilla movie flies it at the end
Absolutely love this plane, even bought the training skin for it because I really enjoyed the plane.
As ahistorical it is, I would love to see the theoretical J7W2 Shinden-kai (i.e. the jet). Japan does need to fill out its tech tree, especially given that it's one of the oldest nations with the emptiest tech trees. And given that Japan did have the jet engine and the idea was floated as a potential development progression, I don't see it as too fantasy.
Agree japan really needs something to fill out it 7-8.0 br range. as the kikka, imo doesn't quite fit the niche it once had. also an extra plane can help the transition into playing stuff like the R2Y2 and F86 easier.
i wish Smithsonian would put all its part together on the air and space museum, along with the Kikka. their website says that they have both parts of the planes in storage but thats about all it says. such a unique plane im honestly thankful the U.S didn't scrapped them. unlike some other rare ones...
I have doubts about the possibility of reassembly. It might share the same problem with the last surviving Ho 229 wherein the parts are poorly and hastily made out of cheap materials due to shortages and desperation so restoring it is impossible without the risk of permanently damaging it. Our best bet is if someone would be generous enough to commission a full size replica of this plane.
The only bad thing about this beautiful plane its the stupid high repair cost and his BR ;c
That and real shatter fucking destroyed the guns
The guns are also very low RoF and shell velocity… which can make some deflection shots very difficult.
@@zanaduz2018 The guns actually have one of the highest velocities of all WW2 era guns. They have great velocity. Just very slow rate of fire. If you are comfortable with the velocity deflection shots are actually very easy to hit.
it just has to have airspawn
@@heilow127 It needs way more than an airspawn. Most 5.3s outperform the J7W and the J7W sits at 6.0. The J7W is over BRed and badly over BRed.
I cannot stress enough how comical it is that this plane is so much higher in BR compared to the XP-55. Which, in my opinion, is a vastly superior aircraft.
XP-55 isn't a superior plane. Sure, it climbs better and maneuvers better but it is quite a bit slower as well. Speed dictates fights. Specifically if and how they happen. That said the J7W is still way over BRed relative to it's flight performance. Based on its current performance (with an air RB perspective) the J7W is likely a 5.0 plane that currently sits at 6.0. The reality is that most Japanese planes, that are actually Japanese designs, are over BRed. The few that aren't (early Ki-61s, early Ki-43s, Ki-44s, J2M2 and first two Ki-84s) are either fine or under BRed.
@@rainsilent Also it should deffinitively get an air spawn.
@@miquelescribanoivars5049 If it gets to a good BR for its performance it won't need an air spawn. Just like how the P-47D-28, P-47M or other similar speed planes don't need an air spawn. Sure, the timer is a handicap to these speed planes and how you have to play them but that isn't an issue with the plane. That is something that needs to be addressed independently.
@rainsilent climbs better, maneuvers better, better armament, doesn't set itself on fire when someone looks at it, better acceleration, better stall characteristics. I could go on and on here. But you are half right, energy wins fights. A better climb rate means more altitude that can be transformed into speed for a fight. The XP-55 just gives you more options and tools for success.
@@Ravnican127 Just two Type 5s are better than 2 AN/Ms and 2 12.7s combined. Realshatter might have finally hit the type 5s but they still pack a punch that AN/Ms very much lack and US 12.7s aren't the one tap memes that they used to be some 5 years ago.
I'm 100% right. Speed dictates if the fight happens and how it happens. It doesn't matter that the XP-55 has all of those advantages if it is around 30mph slower 5km and below. Also while the XP-55 has a climb/accel advantage it isn't actually as significant as you might think. The best climb rate I can get from the J7W is 20m/s with min fuel (31mins). The best I can get from the XP-55 is 21m/s with 30 mins. That is still enough of a speed/climb combined advantage to get an energy advantage over a chasing XP-55. It is also enough of a speed/climb advantage that a J7W can energy trap an XP-55 that tries to dive on the J7W but doesn't catch it if the XP-55 isn't smart enough to give up the pursuit and climb again once it realizes that it can't catch the J7W.
Before you say that 1m/s climb rate advantage is big as well that is with both running 100% prop pitch right off of the runway. Both engines are notorious for overheating eventually. The long term sustained climb rates are going to be lower as a result. Which specifically is worse I don't know but worse climb rates for both means the speed advantage that the J7W holds is much more significant. Thus the only real major advantage that the XP-55 has performance wise is turn rate. It can still pull north of 12Gs at a speed where the J7W can only pull 9.
One more note about the XP-55's climb advantage. It will only last to about 5km. Above about 5.5km the J7W has the climb rate advantage. Above 6km the J7W is vastly superior to the XP-55 because the climb and speed advantage just keep getting bigger and bigger. Without an ad infinitum climb rate advantage relative to altitude, and a not overly significant climb advantage to begin with, the XP-55 is completely reliant on the J7W to bring the fight to it outside of any spawn within 10km of each other scenario. That isn't as good a position to be in that the average air RB match might lead you to believe it is.
Sure, the XP-55 will always hold the turn advantage but if the XP-55 doesn't force a fight at medium to low alt and at medium-low speeds or slower the J7W has enough to lean on to still win the fight. The reason I say medium-low speeds or slower is because at around 300mph the roll rate of the XP-55 starts to get worse relative to an already superior roll rate of the J7W. The XP-55's rudders also lock up at medium-high speeds. This is something that can be exploited to beat the XP-55 in a medium/high speed or faster maneuvering fight even with the XP-55 being able to pull more Gs via a flat scissors. A fight between the XP-55 and the J7W isn't as much of a cake walk in favor of the XP-55 as you might think it is. Unless the J7W pilot doesn't know anything more than head on thunder and turn fighting.
actually one of the most fun props i've played, those nose mounted guns just destroy anything you aim at
Fun fact! If you know the game Crimson Skies, the P21-J Devastator shares a lot of design elements with this thing. Personally, I think it looks far better with the double wing configuration in that game. First push-prop I ever saw, and War Thunder was the first time I realized it was based on a real plane.
Another Fun Fact: Gaijin implemented this aircraft into the game without much info about its performance since most of the information was purposly lost by the Japanese at the end of the war.
Take a look at the Sanka B from the anime Sky Crawlers. It takes a ton of cues from this aircraft as well, essentially being a "what if" had it received a much bigger engine with a 6 bladed contra-rotating prop. You may find it interesting.
@@devinhall3286 Oh yeah, that's much closer to the J7W1. It's also got counter-rotating props instead of the one six-blade, just like the Devastator. I like the changes to the intakes, and the bigger horizontal stabilizers.
One of my favorite prop planes !
Good to see our favorite tim review it
I love how instead of "low ammo" it's just T-4-5
Love the funny pusher props
Great video Tim. Fingers crossed that tomorrow brings some reasonable changes and not a firestorm
Another banger video Tim. I would like to point out though that the HO-5 actually has one of the best muzzle velocities in the game for an aircraft cannon with a whopping 920 m/s (that's 20 m/s faster than the GSh-30) on the tracer belts (another reason to use them over any other belt), only being beaten by the likes of the M61 vulcan, which is a ridiculous gun in its own right.
Ho 5's are better mk 103's minus the hvap
Having flown both this and the German contemporaries, they both suffer from the limitations of their 30mm cannons, which share very similar design characteristics (low RoF, muzzle velocity, high damage per hit). Both the Type 5 and the German MK108 (their closest equivalent) were designed to be used for anti-bomber work, at the expense of making them unwieldy to use in maneuvering combat against fighters. The over-specialization of late war Axis aircraft against heavy bombers speaks to the impact the strategic bombing campaigns were having to the home fronts in both Japan and Germany.
The mk103 is more of a equivalent. And that gun has a high muzzle velocity. Just as the shinden ones.
I've lusted after this for a while, but I think you've saved me a wasted grind, thank you.
Awesome video!
The stealth belt is very effective too. At least before the last update ...
THAT ... is a whole other topic getting a dedicated video at some point soon-ish ... I am so fed-up with realshatter.
This was one of the most frustrating planes I had ever flown in the game, and the slow fire rate has given me so many moments of "i should have killed you". Best thing to do with it is treat it like a boom and zoomer like the Starfighter. Quick in and outs.
I agree and also feel this using the Kikka sometimes
i play it more like sneaky sniper in tank RB after loitering above 5km like a vulture
@@roempoetliar7995 i just spawn and climb afk 7 minutes to even reach 4km of altitude
So basically hit and run?
Great video :D
I would love to see you make one for the Horten 229 v3 :P
I'll get to it eventually.
It's nice to see a War Thunder Channel that provides useful, and educated facts.
Intelligence is a rare thing in the WT Community. Just like Common Sense in the Real World.
Also nice to see someone else my age... even though you were once a filthy politician. 🤣🤣🤣
I started playing this game 12 years ago because the J7w3 (turbine) was on the “planned list”. Fast forward to today and all I play is every tier that spanks every Russian premium. 10.0-10.3 does the trick ;)
Steel guru's video is right under this one in my feed
Low velocity?!?! This gun has one of the best muzzle velocities
Experiment? I'm pretty sure someone named Toyoda just accidentally put the wings in the wrong direction
Such a cool plane which unfortunately has a playstyle that is incompatible with AAB.
It seems more maneuverable than I remember it though.
Holy hell this was a harsh review! Personally I love this plane. I do incredibly well with it, 4 kills in my stock match (I have a skill issue) which is really good for me, and from there I'm constantly getting aces, the ammo count isn't a problem as it consistently single-bursts people.
If it was my review I'd give it a 10/10
The Space Dorito!!
👍 Cool! I really like it. 😍
I've got a few ace games in my Shinden. It's a beautiful plane to fly :)
Despite the lacklustre performance of this plane, I usually still have a fun time with it, and that's not really because it's my favorite plane
It only really ever performs, as you said, at hight speeds or high altitude, and even then, it's more of an ambush BnZ fighter than anything
It is pretty fun when you get the hang of this thing though, it's good in its own right, but there are many other planes that obviously outclass it by a mile, nevertheless, I absolutely love this plane
And thanks for reviewing this plane :P
She needs a flight model update, the Sky Crawlers introduced me to pusher props
When flying the J7W i like to pretend im a cloned child that is fighting for a megacorporation againts another megacorporation in an unending existential conflict.
And a plane flown by a real pilot kills you in the end.
I spaded this thing a good while ago while exploring the Japanese air tree when I was on an Air RB kick... and I hated every second of it. It's an immensely off-meta plane in an extremely competitive BR range, surrounded by aircraft that outperform it by orders of magnitude. The guns are fantastic and give you great effective range(920m/s is actually one of the fastest rounds for an aircraft cannon in WT), but the cyclic rate is definitely troubling at the speeds you will be commonly fighting at, and your near total inability to dogfight means you'll mostly prey on distracted or fleeing opponents.
It's a cool plane for sure, very unique and novel as a pusher-prop, but I found the experience of playing it to be pretty miserable. But, there's a plane out there for everyone, I think, so I'm not surprised to hear some people enjoy it.
(Getting an airspawn would help it a whole lot, would let it actually use its niche more... it's baffling that it doesn't have one given that it was conceptually a bomber-interceptor, same as the Ta 152 H-1 at the same BR... which itself has an airspawn that helps it stay competitive... 🤔)
god I love this plane
did you review the 6.0 do 335 yet?
Realshatter fucking destroyed the 30mm guns on this plane :(
Destroyed a LOT of guns :-\
This plane is fun to fly when I get it in Ground AB!
I am once again asking for an IAR 316B helicopter review. Pretty please?
I'll get to it eventually.
@@TimsVariety 👍
Since youve flown this thing out what about a rewiew of the german counterparts (do335, especially the b2)
I'll get to it eventually.
I love the American pusher prop, been disappointed with most others I've ever tried.
uuh I'm not sure if your review about the tracer shell be still right ... since the 30mm HE shells no longer slaps like they used to
Its a decent CAP plane in Ground battles, the bombs can kill tigers if you place it well.
Wish the variant with jet engine comes to wt someday
The thing I remember most about this plane is dodging and then killing one in my F8F on a night map all because I could hear its engine from 2km away.
The 30mm tracer shells are not that slow, compared to german 30mm/20mm and american 20mm are relatively quick for how much HE they carry.
DO ONE ON THE KIKKA NEXT, MY FAVORITE JET
WIsh they had made the jet variant. So we could get it in the game.
Gaijin could still add a jet variant. Just like they did with R2Y2 jets. But it would most likey just be a "what if" jet.
Unless there are blueprints of how it would look. I know there is a lot of "fan" made pics of it.
But i have never seen blueprints. At least i can't remember any.
This plane is currently made incorrectly in WT, it misses flaps and slats on canard wing. Here 1:05 by opening current flaps you actually enlarged your turn rate, as those flaps improve negative Gs and not positive ones.
The engine performance power curve is also incorrect at low altitudes where it gives too low power.
The plane also do not have air spawn despite being interceptor with horrible climb rate of 20 m/s at absolute best.
Any plans on combining groups of planes into a single review??? (Such as P-47s, P-51s, P-38s, etc.) They have several versions across different tech trees and consolidated reviews would sum them up pretty well considering they're different mods of the same plane.
I've done this a few times (the Su-7 comes to mind) and probably will again.
@@TimsVariety good to know 👌
@@HEATSEEKR The challenge becomes when its a family of like ... 6 or 7 .. or more ... vehicles, that are juuuuuust different enough, but still very similar. I've played around a bit with the format for something like that, and more than 3 just gets really cumbersome. We'll see what happens.
@@TimsVariety I look forward to your experimentation with that
j7w1 is one of those planes that isnt the best in other gamemodes but is one of the best in sim
really wish they would add the jet varient of this plane. :(
First, also J7W is one of my personal favorite aircraft to just fly. Idk why but the XP-55 just isn’t as fun for me.
heres a dumb trick for the J7W1:
Do not mount the upgraded guns if you feel uncomfortable aiming the 30mm canons.
You can not hold down the trigger anyway due to the low ammo count meaning overheating wont be an issue. Also a single shell hit will atomize most targets.
So turning the whole plane into a flying shotgun isnt a bad idea. Most people will take headons against Shindens - which is incredibly dumb - so you can just create a cloud of death in front of them and dodge before they even fired their guns.
Also, this plane super fun to fly out in platoons. You can make up for its deficiencies by covering each other and baiting.
I know it's not a Delta Canard, but...
3 months late, but this thing honestly does better in ground RB than air RB, especially running as CAP and occasionally deleting open top vehicles and SPAA
I tried to use this plane not too long ago, looks cool, but everything has to go perfect in order to have a decent game with it. It requires wayy too much effort, so I don't reccomend it because it isn't fun.
By the time you get to have any sort of advantage the battle is already over.
Poetic irony, because that's the story of the plane irl
Any news on the proposed economy changes? Did Gaijin listen, or will they just keep silent about it?
We should know tomorrow.
@@TimsVariety Fingers crossed then.
8:00 critical error
Low velocity? They go 920m/s
If the Nukes weren't dropped, this plane might see service with the Japanese military. However, by the time it entered service it was outdated because by this time the Americans have jets such as F-80, F-84, F-86, F-9F and F-2H.
The F-80 was just entering service. The F-84 first flew in 46, the F-86, F-2H and the F9F all in 47. Each of those latter four would take about a year after first flight to actually enter service. Thus it would have been 3 years of F-80s before anything better came along.
Also the plane would never have actually seen service. The reason Japan surrendered is because the SU started it's invasion from the north. Before you disagree this is based upon Japanese sources. The US view that Japan surrendered due to the atomic bombs being dropped is just US fantasy as there is absolutely no Japanese source that says such a thing. The planned US invasion was scheduled to happen in a few months too. Japan was planning it's entire defense against strictly a US invasion. It was not prepared for a SU invasion and it was completely unable to deal with both at the same time. Any Japanese air units would have lasted 3-5 months at best before everything was just wiped out. The J7W was several months away from being production ready and if it reached production ready status there was nowhere to build it.
I want one....
The only Plane ever that killed Godzilla
Japanese Kid: Mom, I want BnZ
Mom: We have BnZ at home
Wtf is the Z axis?
Low Velocity? 920m/s for a 30mm is insane high, thats .50cal level
When speaking of low velocity, German MK108 with its 500m/s is Low Velocity, it feels Like throwing bricks
Exactly like Godzilla minus one
I'm early! Woohooo!
Tim buddy don’t you need to get some sleep
All my vids (at least, these reviews) are produced weeks in advance. UA-cam has a feature that lets me "schedule" when they go public. I usually set them to go public around midnight US West Coast time, so that they launch on the correct day (at least, after midnight) for the majority of my audience. I was sound asleep when this went live. :-)
@@TimsVarietyhell yeah buddy 8 hours of sleep is vital to a happy and healthy day
so basically, it would be really good, if it just had a jet engine, =/
Anyone else think it looks like a carrot 🥕
It just doesn't climb at all for me, I hated this plane
5.0 worthy performance at 6.0. Terrible plane.
worse plane in game even a bomber is more usefull in battle than this thing
Slow AF, can't climb (it can if u stay afk 7 min), real shatter did him dirty 10 hits on a ju 288 and zero damage, what is turn rate?, ammo? well if u thing that 60 shots are ammo u are main russia (i'm tho).
bruhh use the damm zoom lmao it pains watching u aim
bruhh, when you're zoomed in people fly out of your field of view very quickly with basic flight maneuvers, and I use the zoom pretty frequently in situations where it will help.
@@TimsVariety not full zoom bruh lmao