The Battle for Jiu Jitsu Supremacy: Gordon Ryan's New Wave vs. Craig Jones' B Team on UFC Fight Pass
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
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UFC Fight Pass Invitational 5 was full of exciting matches and fueled the beef even more between New Wave and B Team. Gordon Ryan was announcing the event and cornering Nicholas Meregali who beat Felipe Pena. Nicky Rod calls out both Gordon Ryan and Nicholas Meregali. What an exciting time for jiu jitsu :)
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Hello, do you have any tips on studying or analyzing people? I’m a 16-year-old blue belt been doing this for about 7yrs or 8yrs but never got serious about it till later on my life
Always funny hearing BJJ guy breakdown wrestling moves. Its so much more detailed and eloquent.
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I’m so impressed by the work you’ve done with the database. Keep it up!
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Such informative Content. I like to watch it because it supplies the stuff we all watch on the instructionals.
Great content. As always. thanks mate
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Thank you for the database!!
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Great Content as always!
Thank you sir!
I miss when this dudes videos weren’t just advertisements
Haha sorry I went heavy this time for sure. Just excited that is all
Super interesting, I'm really nowhere near this level but when I am, I'll be a very happy subscriber to your DB.
Thank you! Day by day my man!
Subbed, my guy this is good info.
Thanks my man! Appreciate the comment and the support!
Jake this is really good , like the references
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed it!
The BJJ community needs to stop using BJJ resources to learn how to wrestle. Danaher's explanation is like day 100 youth wrestling camp explanation. Go watch Jeff Jordan's single leg series for the basics of the single leg game.
Otherwise thanks for the video and great content.
You can't use the same wrestling in BJJ that you use in folk or free, he you shoot a conventional HC you get guillotine straight away,fireman can put you in crucifix, you're also at risk of of kimuras
Wow, amazing video. Martial arts combined with technology such as your database is revolutionizing. There’s going to be a lot of very young world champions in the future. I wish we had this tech when I was a kid!!!
Thanks my man! What a time to be alive!
From Aiga. Watch and cover Kenedy (dominate), Dante (dominate) and his reaction to Kenedy celebration. Several times this weekend ( once by Josh Cisneros, twice in AIGA), catching the reverse Triangle from sprawl/ front headlock position. Looking forward to the next video. 👍
Oh nice! I havent gotten too far into the event yet but looking forward to it!
Credits to you for your top notch simple analysis.
Thank you I am glad you enjoyed it!
Great video. Excellent work. (Victor Hugo is going to run the table on all of em on Fight Pass)
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Great stuff!
Thank you I am glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video!
Thank you!
If you could do a video covering Front Headlock that would be dope. I’m looking forward to Gordon’s instructional on it.
Yeah Gordon has his defensive instructional about it but I am looking forward to his offensive one as well!
BJ Penn used to trap the arm from the back a VERY LONG time ago (1990s), that was one of his main strategies. Why is Gordon all of a sudden getting credit for it..?
It's about how he goes about applying the body triangle
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@@dayofdecay433 Fair point, but I've watched matches where he does this (and some other people, can't think of their names off the top of my head) and the commentators act like they've never seen this before, when it's actually old news to us who aren't new to grappling.
@@thebeast9606I think you answered your own question - the 90's might as well be ancient Greece to a lot of people!
Because people are Gordon swalloers.
Dude I really enjoyed this video
Thank you :)
Great breakdown
Thank you! I am glad you enjoyed it
Retitle the video - Outlier Database Sales Pitch
They all are...
Haha point taken 😂
@@LIMIBJJ Big fan
Nice one dude!
Thank you I am glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah bro BJJ guys are just becoming better wrestlers. A collar tie shouldn’t be an end all be all, and folks get stuck in a single leg for 45 SECONDS, which really never happens.
We need actual wrestlers in the sport to first teach fundamentals honestly
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Top quality analysis
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Good stuff right here!
Thank you!
That old school hold the single forever is mad because you never want to start a sequence & stop halfway through
Why give Gordon the credit when Danaher is clearly teaching them?
The work done on this channel and the efforts in archiving and categorising and systematising all the study material is on par with any world-level research in any field. A sports university or research institute would 100% fund this - I hope you get all the well-deserved rewards for what you do one day.
And the research is being done on a guy who can't pronounce the 3 letter word 'ask'.
Much appreciated! Thank you for the love!
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The way I see it, the B Team may use the Chicago Bulls moniker but New Wave really represents the 96-98 Championship Bulls Team in spirit & execution. John Danaher is Phil Jackson + Tex Winter combined in terms of philosophy & strategy. Gordon is Jordan & Meregali is Rodman. I see B Team as the 80s Bad Boy Pistons. Craig is Isiah Thomas & Nicky Rod as Bill Laimbeer who always causing Gordon trouble verbally.
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I Love this channel. Well done. 🎉
Thank you :)
"whoa.. I know jiu-jitsu". -Neo
Haha 😂
cool stuff. new to the channel. 2nd degree black belt.
Thank you and welcome!
Did anyone hear what happened to Nicky Ryan and an injury? I still haven't seen the UFc invitational on torrent yet.
Nicky Rod talked about it a little bit in this recent podcast (ua-cam.com/video/AhO3YX1HQMA/v-deo.html) he mentioned ankle and knee if I remember correctly. Seemed to be pretty banged up unfortunately
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I saw that. I was kind of perplexed by Nicky Rod's comments, seemed like he could have kept his opinions to himself out of respect to Nicky Ryan, he tried to sound like his coach.
So go run the pipe if works much more effectively if you step into the mid line if the body with a small step and take a huge step back to rotate your opponent down and backward
Second to none research and presentation, as always 👍
Much appreciated! Thank you for the love!
This is an honest question: is there a difference between wrist riding and the “Dagestani hand cuff”?
nice one
Thank you!
the mexican karate armdrag is super effective
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Awesome vid! I think the B Team attitude is great, keeps it so fun.
It would be great to see you do a collaboration with breza grappling, he does very good breakdowns of Bjj stand-up.
Gordon Ryan is a true student of grappling, no wasted rounds with him, B team seems like they roll couple rounds, get some nose beers then hit the bar 😂
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@@LIMIBJJ which is cool no judgment equals no broken bones 😂😂OSSS
Lmao thank lord I got into wrestling idk why things like the arm drag that looks flashy is something special learned that type of move from a friend in wrestling
Btw I signed up for the database! But it’s $12 a month to view it right?
Awesome! Be sure to join the discord as well!
Yes it is $12 a month currently
did you build the outlier database yourself? or did you pay a software dev? this is a crazy high level of studying man, i’d love to create something similar for striking & specifically coach barry robinson’s instructionals & film studies. striking is waaaay behind the curve - BJJ, wrestling, judo, etc all have great linguistics, they emphasize positional wins(which matter in striking more than the strikes themselves), and so on.
My business partner is a developer and has put his heart and soul into building this thing over the past few months. Yeah for sure we are planning to expand into MMA after we get jiu jitsu down. The idea is to get a solid system in place for no gi jiu jitsu and then expand into other areas like gi, MMA, wrestling, etc
@@LIMIBJJthat’s awesome man, much respect. will deff be signing up when it’s time to start training grappling. 🫡
@@LIMIBJJ congrats on the future money you'll be making
I just enjoy this, actually i started bjj at 40 because i saw a podcast about this little drama, i didnt even know whose those guys were and what this sport was about.
Glad they're promoting this sport
Hahaha love it!
Honestly there's not really a comparison, just b team is good at comedy
Haha true that
Thai Clinch, and Greco Roman are excellent formats to add to your grappling studies. Realistic hand and hook standing grappling for any position as well as sweeps and takedowns. Real nerds need to train it all to roll and compete with a growing knowledge base and reflexes to back it up. Watching videos is not even 0.000001% of the training y'all. Oss
New wave all day
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Finaly gordon gordon gordon i should put this on my ringtone
Give the people what they want :)
If you mixed Nicky Rod and Nicky Ryan you get Gordon Ryan. Thats why he wins.
You get Nicky Nicky
Bro wtf are you talking about, Gordon has terrible standing. TERRIBLE. John danaher is clearly not a wrestling coach
Ryan Rod
Finicky rod
@@Theblackprogressive1911you say that but Gordon just took down Patrick Gaudio and Andre Galvao
…..aren’t these all Danahers technical tweaks tho?
I would really love a breakdown of how you would recommend someone studying a given subject using your database. So far i love the idea and can see its improving, but im having a hard time gaining knowledge from it.
Gotcha yeah I was kinda holding off on making a super elaborate "how to use" type video as it is changing constantly at the moment. This is the latest update video I made a couple days ago (ua-cam.com/video/ROStU7pojjE/v-deo.html)
Are you in the discord? I think it would be helpful to a lot of people to have this conversation in here. Maybe we pick a topic and can do a deep dive into it as an example of how to navigate the database
I like B-Team. But the "rivalry" is not real. It's just a bunch of online drama. Competetively and by the numbers, it's not even close. I think the only person on B-Team that could "potentially" beat Gordon is Nicky Rod. But even that would have to be in a very specific ruleset, like EBI, where he could use the ruleset to get to overtime where submission holds are already given. Other than that, it's a stretch to say they're even competetive at this point.
Craig Jones is just a troll because he will always be the world's greatest silver medalist, and he knows it....Nicky Rod has the IQ that rivals a really smart Golden Retriever, so how far can he really go?
New wave is literally the home of the best grappler in this planet. B team is just well… 2nd place.
Wrestling #1 ☝
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If we look at 2022 ADCC performance relative to time training no-gi, Meregali was far more impressive than Craig and Nicky. It wouldn't be competitive at all if Craig and Nicky donned the Gi against him. It's going to be interesting seeing what happens at ADCC in 2024.
Can't wait for ADCC!
New wave is the superior team, obviously.
Gordon inveted all bjj positions!
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I mean…. Is this really a battle?
I pick THE Danaher death squad
Between these two... Ill chose the Ruotolos
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Rickson by armbar.
I don’t see how this is a battle 😂
Dude your product speaks for itself, you probably don't need to clout chase on fake BJJ rivalries that are built off two brothers toxic relationship.
Yeah true that...point taken thanks for the comment
Clickbaity title and thumbnail. Same good content as always :-)
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Lol come on bro thats just wrestling basics you dont need bs instructional. Just find some wrestlers theyre everywhere
This is incredibly true and although I put out an instructional I tell people that shit all the time
“There’s no wrestling clubs near me.” Well, while I doubt that, since everywhere I have ever lived has several, buy a mat and invite wrestlers over. They love that shit. I’ve had my mat since 1994 and have logged countless hours on that thing. I still use it for my channel. Almost 30 years old now.
DDS
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Whats Gordons kryptonite? A gi 🤪🥋
we all should listen to Breza Grappling. Stop collar Tie-ing! it does not work if hey know what they're doing!
Joe Breza?
Also... what should you be doing
@jameswilsonmusic7749 i'm not that good so I'm not gonna butcher it and give it a half ass explanation.
Look up breza grappling on youtube. He's got plenty of content
@@jameswilsonmusic7749he is talking about how I teach that handfighting strategies need to match the stance type(s). Trying to snap someone down when they are standing upright is as useful as trying to shoot on someone who is lying on their stomach. 😂😂 This is well known in wrestling, but clearly hasn’t been taught in BJJ. So I taught it and talk about it so people understand why this collar tie battle is useless unless his spinal alignment is in the appropriate position.
This video has some impeccable timing actually based on the video I just put out on this very topic.😂😂 Probably just a coincidence though.
@josephbreza-grappling9459 that's such an interesting analogy. I know you're a knowledgeable guy, through Jordan Preisinger. But when someone makes such a good analogy like that, you know they know their shit. I must watch your video
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Man, Jonnatas was just physically too much for Nicky. Nicky needs to lay off the weeds and just not be out of shape. Doesn’t even have to be in stellar shape, just not in relatively bad shape would be good
Don’t advertise power ride 😪 it’s my thing
Haha so under rated!
The stats prove what most would assume, John’s teaching is what made them all great. The ones that stayed with him are still improving while the others skillsets aren’t evolving. Joesph Chen isn’t their student but he is an exceptional athlete that evolves his own game which is why he’s the only one progressing. Take Helena, there will never be a female out of b team to defeat her. Gordon is Gordon, they know how they stack up to him. Nicky Rod got exposed for his lack of evolution. Gordon’s little brother hasn’t improved either. Craig is self admittedly lazy. When there’s nobody in charge to hold everyone accountable it doesn’t matter how much talent is there if they don’t work hard and evolve they have no chance to be great. Luke, Nicolas, Big Dan, David, Dominick and Helena will probably make a run at ADCC. Time will tell, I could be wrong, won’t be a surprise. I’m just a huge fan of John. He teaches his team for free. Who does that? Only an exceptionable human being.
B Team easily
I love your channel, I just don't think that these moves are exclusive to Ryan. Very common everywhere.
So. I agree, but I think the clip of Nicky Rod not taking the opportunity to promote that instructional after the fact is kind of the difference. He has a strategy for those positions but it’s more instinctual. For us without that instinct we need the proper instructional to keep up and understand the matches.
when u see craig's last 2 year matches (the important ones) won by unannimous decision of numbers and there is god of jiujutsu and master brain side jon danahaer and gordon ryan still no chance to b team my opin..
Amazing at BJJ but Gordon's posts in PR are disturbing. Advocating the death of homeless people and the strange death squad images.
Danaher's Standing 2 Ground is a rip off of folkstyle wrestling and rebranded as scrimmage wrestling (which, btw wtf does that mean?). All those details about singles is free out there on youtube and more
Send me the links on youtube that you are talking about so I can add them to the database
@@LIMIBJJ youtube.com/@josephbreza-grappling9459?si=sFcZnwAPNW5nqyUC
I totally understand that you want to promote you're product the outlier database.
I am grateful for your videos and learned heaps about different aspects for bjj from your videos.
But tbf the amount of promotion in these videos kinda drives me away from watching your new stuff... its just way to much.
I still come back to old videos but mentally flag new ones when there is too much outlier database stuff...
I value the insights you provide, and I hope that future content strikes a balance that brings your valuable insights in the content again to the forefront.
Point taken and thank you for the thoughtful comment! The database is pretty much my life for the past 4 months and its all I do, so I think I just get a bit excited about it.
Did the highlighting sections of written text bother you? Or more of the sales pitches? My intention in the highlighting text portions of the video was to show my thought/research process and give credit where it is due. So basically what I am wondering is if that is coming across sales pitchy.
@@LIMIBJJ First of all - Happy New Year! Apologies for the delayed response...
Dont get me wrong by all means you should promote the database you worked hard for it and gave us tremendous free insight and basically partial instructionals for free! What is incredibly so far! Like everyone else in the comment section I greatly appreciate your work!
Regarding your question, it's not so much about the highlighting sections but more about the frequency and the way it's presented. I completely understand your desire to credit sources. However, the frequent transitions make it definitely come across as a bit sales-pitchy. "Look my database ... look again ... oh what a coincidence again"
Maybe instead consolidate the mentions after the technique part or mention the instctuionals on the audio and dedicate a specific section where you pitch the database and less section highlights, in my eyes it disrupts the flow of the video... Havent watched your 2023 recap. but doing it soon
Keep up the great work, and looking forward to more content in 2024!
Best regards Simon
For sure. This makes total sense. Thank you for taking the time to leave a respectful and thoughtful comment. I think my plan moving forward is to just mention the database in my videos and use it in a highlighting type manner. Then if people want more info I can direct them to a new channel I made where I will post tutorials on how to use the database. We will see how this works. Definitely figuring this out as I go so thank you for the feedback
Roids should be a lifetime ban. Like pete rose forever.
I pick the B-team
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If I only wanted to win, I’d choose New Wave…B-team looks like more fun and is 99.99% the level…that 0.01% matters for the medal tho.
I’d choose bteam
BTeam has a better sense of humor. And with that, we have settled this dilemma.
The battle has been settled.
The b team is just that.
Gordon's list of victories is superior to anyone else's.
Thats just a fact. If gordon stopped competing today this would still be the case.
Nicky rod has a long way to go. Long way....
Craig has passed his peak
Nik ryam just sux
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Gordon is great. No Doubt. But.....there's the fact he seems to cherry pick. Nicky Rod will fuck him up under almost any rule set. But then Gordon won't take that offer will he 🤔
Gordon AND Meregali would both beat every single B team bum. They have toe guys that are better than anybody on their squad. They just do their own things while John Danaher keeps his guys focused on staying ahead of everybody else.
I choose the side of Jiujitsu each side give their best everyone learns from it and improves. I chose Jiujitsu. Im cheering for everyone to do something awesome.
But I think Gordon Ryan can learn a lot from a Humbling destruction. Come to Utah. Jeremy Horns Elite Performance ask for Steve Gomm and learn from a Humble man how good you can become. Id love to see that bet match.