I really enjoy your collaborations with Elite Fit Golf. In particular, this gapping session was very good. Today I'm doing a gapping session and loft/lie check on all my irons since our first men's club tournament is happening the end of March. Always good to make your equipment is in spec for the new golf season.
Adam has taught me so much about club making on his channel. Me and a buddy have split costs on a few tools to make our own little golf workshop. We have a swing weight scale and loft and lie bending tool. I just swapped iron shafts and it's been a blast learning all of this stuff. In my mind It's worth it to spend a few hundred dollars one time on the tools instead of spending who knows how much on taking clubs in to have someone else do it. Adam teaches you all the stuff you wouldn't even think about when it comes to clubs.
Great insight. Thank you. Just one reason why my Vokey’s have always been 50, 54, and 58 as it also is easier to match your irons of choice just a little bit better from a gapping perspective.
Definitely gives credence as to why you should go to a club fitter like Adam prior to purchasing!! Love the team work again with you guys!! Great knowledge share here - really appreciate you guys doing this!!
PW = 50* in my old sets of irons including blades and my original Ping Eye 2’s. We carried a 56* and learned how to hit open and closed shots as well as grip down. This gave lots of distance options.
Very cool... I had the exact set up - 44*, 48, 52*, 58, 60*. I decided to dropped my 56*, 60* and added a 58*. The 58* does the work for both of them. So now, I carry the 48*, 52* and the 58*. So far, this has really worked out for me.
Great collaboration by 2 of my fave UA-camrs! Most MANUFACTURERS aren't doing us any favors with only EVEN LOFTS. In the 90's Wilson offered a wedge in EVERY LOFT from 49 to 60. By the early 2000's as more equipment companies were bought out by BEAN COUNTING CORPORATIONS, the ODD LOFT wedges disappreared forcing US to customize EVEN LOFTED WEDGES. Furhermore: Ben Hogan is quoted saying "show me the man who hits full shots with his wedges...I want to play him for money!" I noticed way back in the 80's that a traditional WEDGE SHAPE did not fly as far as a BLADE or CAVITY BACK design. Therefore I now use LESS LOFT for the FIRST WEDGE. (Stock Blade wedge 47, GAP 50, SW 55, LOB 60) and YES BEN, I hit FULL SHOTS with them ALL!🤣
Like the subject. And the combo of two of my favorite experts. It was a puzzle for me too. I used to have just 2 specialist wedges, 52 and 58. my classic iron set had a 45 degree PW. My new iron set also had a 45 degree PW, but since it was hollow body, it easily went 5-10 meters further than the old PW. I thought I could fix it going to 50-54-58, but the 50 still had a gap that was too big. I had no club to predictabiy hit 90-95 meters. Now I've ended up with 47-54-58. The 47-PW gap is ideal, I can take a little off if needed too, and the 54 and 58 I usually do not need for full shots.
I agree with doing this a lot. My PW from my P-790's is 45 so I have wedges at 50, 55 and 60. I know 5 degrees is more than usual but it works for me. Although I've never been fitted like this for wedges.
I also have P790 and because of that I went 50, 54, 58. I still have a slight issue though because I’ll hit my full P typically 125-130 and it seems like I’m only getting 105-110 with my 50, so there’s still a bit of a gap in distances. I used to only use a 52 and 56 with my old irons but I think the loft of the P was a 48.
@@kdub3288 Similar yardages for me. I can get up to 120 with my 50 but then sometimes put too much back spin on the ball. I'll use my PW and 50 back and forth depending on how the day is going.
Informative. I had similar choices and opted to keep the ironset PW plus 4 SM10s, so five wedges. Luckily the gapping worked well as I went PW, 46, 50, 54, 58.
I just went thru wedge gap fitting and ironically had same issue Mr. Short Game. My issue was my swing though and not the wedges. My fitter also gives lessons and pointed out a swing flaw that was robbing me 10 yards of distance. I'm 58 years old, a higher handicap, and my gapping is 10 yards off from you. I'm getting SM10s at 47, 51, and 55 but going to work on swing flaw.
Some people don't mind the offset change with removing loft on a wedge, but more often than not it just changes the look too much because of how the hosel and the leading edge are shaped. I would rather add loft to a wedge than take that much off because of that odd look with offset. That being said, I play the T150 and go 44 PW, 50 Gap, 55, 60, just so I can have a 4 iron at the top end. Very cool gaping session.
Matt enjoyed this. I depends on park golf terrain, my club course is 1890 extremely hilly course with very trick green approaches. Greens you can roll off Have the exact same wedges in the bag 44', 48',52', 56', 60' and i would be seen in bunkers with 8i and 9i too! (Irish links golf in strong winds) I lost my 5i out. WITB Driver, 7w, 5Hyb, 6-PW, wedges
its funny I just came across this video I had bought a 52 degree played it and it was quite to the distance i wanted it to cover I was nervous bout it but I took it in to get bent to 49 and had a great round yesterday makes me feel even more confident about my choice watching this video
I only have one wedge (56°), and it seems to work out for most situations. If I need more loft, I’ll just open the club face a little bit. I use my 56° for shots 100 yards and in and I’ve honed in the distances using the wedge clock system. Maybe one day when I get better, I will add more wedges but for right now this seems to work for me and it keeps it simple.
I have been through this process with the loft and lie machine. Mine were 60, 56 went to a 55 and the 52 went to a 50, with my pitching wedge at 46. My distance gapping in my opinion was spot on. The lie side of the equation is also very important,an upright or flat lie that doesn’t suit your swing, shaft lengths etc. is bad for you golf. It’s all important and not difficult to do as it is worth it.
man... I'm so envious of your swing. it's butter, effortless... I have to GO for it to get your yardages. If I swing smooth like you I'm about 30yds short.... :(
i had pw/48/52/58. i wanted to add my 2 iron in so i worked out my common club vs how often i use club...the 48 came out...yeh the gapping is a big one but it gives me a chance to learn short game control.
So cool, you guys detailed exactly what you did you assessed. The problem explained the solution you guys are straight to the point I was watching another video on changing shafts I believe it was smash factor or smash factory. The guy changes shoves, and his T-shirts are completely different. Great shots I posted what shaft did he change to, and they told me you don’t worry about that. Just try a bunch of shafts and figure it out but you guys are the opposite.
I had the exact same issue and lost the LW and the additional PW. So the set up is 44 (set PW) 50 and 56 SM9. The 56 is M grind and opens up really nicely so I don’t miss the LW at all.
My PW is also 44° and I went through the same process but with Titleist before ordering. Ended up with 48 as gap 54 sand and wanted a low bounce versatile option with the 60 4° T Grind. Never really swinging the sand or liob wedge full and I’m comfortable taking distance off. The extra club at the top of the bag is nice to have
I carry 4 wedges. I had too big a gap between my PW and my SW (120/95 respectively). So, I really needed the AW to fill that gap at 105-110 yds. My extra wedge is a 60* LW.
As a long hitter I've always had 5 wedges in my game for last 20 years. Stock PW, Cleavland 48, 52, 56, 60. People are always impressed at my short game since I have 5 wedges and also know my half swing yardages. That's how you score well is 150 and in
I had the same issue, the sm9 with the t150, i added loft on all my irons lol they are stock de lofted so just brought it back to standard. The t100 where not feeling good for me as my off center hits where too pronounce on the feel, and the t200 feel too “bouncy”
All my clubs match. TM SIM Max 5i-lob. The lofts are PW- 43.5, AW- 49, SW- 54, LW- 59. They are 5 degrees different. Works for me, but I should get an iron/wedge fitting.
Adam @elitefitgolf is amazing. Went in for a fitting twice and he's so honest and helpful. Doesn't try sell you things you dont need and always makes sure you are fit correctly.
I wasn't getting the predictable distance that I was used to with my 60° lob wedge. So I had it checked and it measured 62°! I had it bent to 58°. Then had my 52° bent to 53°. I aldo carry a 48°, and my 44° PW was bent to 43°. So my gaps are now 5°. I can always open the face a few degrees if I need a shorter shot.
Not one to normally comment, but I have to say I really do enjoy your videos. You introduced me to the game two years ago, thank you. Goodluck in life brother 👍🏻
Got fit for a set of the Cobra CB’s 4-P, gap between my 50 and P are good but the gap between my 9 and P arean’t. Will probably get my P bent to 45 maybe 44. Also cant wait for my SM10’s to get here , so jealous LOL Got fit for MG4’s in Oregon, 56-12 and 60-10 for wet muddy conditions. Then moved to Florida andddd, Florida has no mud LOL. Went 56-8M and 60-4T.
Can you do a video on people who shoot the flag distance then choose the iron they once hit that distance and why they always end up in the front right bunker?
5:40 5 wedges gives 4 gaps. So in a spread of 46 yards the "perfect gap" would be 11-12 yards between clubs, not 9 yards 🙂 So from the shown data one degree stronger SW and 1.5-2 degree stronger GW will give the perfecting gapping, if those strikes of course is representative of your regular average strikes on course. Likewise if you chose to drop one wegde as you discussed, the gapping would be 15-16 yards, which is a bit of a stretch.
I carry 14 clubs but used to carry 15 to add a 2i. I had a 48* so instead of Vokey 52,56,60 I got Mizuno T24 52/58 then lofted the 52 to a 53 and cut the 58 by 1/4” so back to 14. The 48/53/58 is plenty enough. I prefer to loft up and add a bit of bounce instead of lofting down and reducing a bit of bounce.
Personally I think I would have liked that gapping better than what Matt settled on. 6 degrees between pw and gw seems excessive to me. Then again he only hits his pw 135. At 44* he should be hitting that closer to 145. Just my opinion. I think it's better to put the larger gap towards the bottom
Yea I need to do this with my new wedges I just bought last year. I bought them to gap a 45 degree P-wedge but I didn’t want a 60 degree so I went 50, 54, 58. But I still have too much of a gap between my P and my 50 for distance. Considering bending my 50 to a 48 or 49 and my 54 to 53 but leave 58 cause I typically won’t full swing that one anyways except when absolutely necessary.
Odd comment. For me, I’ve recently removed a longer club from my bag. No need for it, too much distance. I added another wedge. Different bounce, better gapping, easier short game play.
A common mistake people make is buying specialty wedges that flow 4 degrees off their PW but the technology difference between some irons and specialty wedges is drastic and the 4 degree gap from PW to 1st wedge doesn't provide the gap you need. It's a good idea to always find the loft that provides the required distance off your PW and then gap the rest off that. Sometimes you may need a 46 degree specialty wedge to gap off a 46 degree PW. It all depends on the technolgy differences.
Matt, have you switched to an X100 shaft in all your wedges? I recall the testing you and Adam did swapping out the standard wedge shaft for a 7/8i X100 shaft. Of course cutting the butt down to the right length. After watching that video, I swapped out the shaft in my 60°. It flies lower and spins more (prov 1) and I think it's more accurate directionally. I'm be doing my other two wedges shortly.
I like the fact that he mentioned that his PW=44*. These club manufactures have spent the last decade strengthening the loft on irons to sell you how much further their newest irons go. They didn’t do anything except turn a PW into a 9…and still call it a PW.
Beginneers: You ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT do this with your wedges in golf. For the love of God, don't get wrapped around the axle with this. For one, you aren't going to be consistent enough to make this worth it. Two, having 3-4 wedges to choose from is absurd for anyone who isn't breaking 90. Three, you'll never develop a close, confident relationship with your go-to approach club. The club you should be planning to hit into the green on every single par 4 and par 5. Keep it simple and drill the basics your first few years. A 46° (PW) and a 54° with some bounce (SW) is all you want to bring. In fact, if you *only bring* 3W, 7i, 46, 54, and P... you have enough to break 90 on nearly any course in the USA from the Men's tees. It's about executing the fundamentals and getting consistent direction and distance from those four clubs, not losing balls, and two-putting. Think about that.
My PW is 43 so I have a 48,52,56,60 as my wedge set up. But not sure if I should just go 54 and 60? Looking to upgrade so that’s the decision I have right now.
too many wedges... I have P(43) 50 54 and 58 which is all i need. I can take a little off my P if there's a gap between that and 50, but it's really not a problem. I can hit half and 3/4 swings with any of my wedges so gaps aren't a problem
this is great stuff! Two of my favorite golf UA-camrs! Another thing…can you two do another video addressing the flattening of wedge lies? You hear that a lot these days that pros flatten their wedges, especially if they are wedges they take full shots with, otherwise, you wind up pulling shots…any truth to that and what say you on this??? BTW, nice, “I’m a pretty good wedge player.” Really??? You’re MR. FREAKIN’ SHORT GAME!!! You’d better be a little better than pretty good! LOL…
It's interesting to see how different people end up in different combinations! Fit at the end of last season, I ended up with the PW(44.5)and GW(49.5) being from my ping set and two SM9 at 54 and 58. Because of that I'm curious. You end up with a 54 and 60. Do you mostly play your 60 out of the sand? If not, how do you feel about now playing a 54 from the sand? Love the look of your customs too btw!
My 9 is 41, PW is 45, GW is 50, SW is 55, and LW is 60. I would probably like something between SW and LW. I almost never use my GW. 110-125 I use my PW. Inside there I am at my SW which can go anywhere from a 170 yard blade to a uber lofted 60 yard flop. LW is typically only used from inside 60 yards and I will either sky it to the moon for a total distance of 27 yards, or skull it through the clubhouse windows.
Interesting video Matt! So many things to play with in the short game, are you going to swap wedge shafts to Axiom's to match your irons? As i can imagine this tweaking things slightly. Also have you ever tried an iron set matching GW? I play T100s irons with a matching GW and love it to bits. Then go into a 54 & 58 / 60 (condition depending).
Generally every degree of loft is approximately 2-3yds depending on your swing speed, plus or minus depending on if you’re going up or down in loft to fill out your yardages .
45 yards for 5 clubs is actually 11.25 yards progression since there are only 4 gaps between 5 clubs. Progression would be TY/(N-1). 45/(5-1) = 11.25. If you drop to 4 clubs then a perfect progression would be 45/(4-1) which is 15 yards per club.
I got rid of my 3-7 irons and now carry a 44 degree PW, 46, 48, 49, 51, 54, 56 and 61 degree wedge set. Now if could just consistently hit my driver 360 yards.
For me I got from 128 aw, 115 52 degree, 105 56 degree, 95 60 degree. With having more long clubs I can’t take out I’m forced to remove one from this perfect gap so I take out the 115 yard club normally
There’s nothing like this place where I live. So I just have to figure it out and order what I need. My gapping goes by 5*. 49* mizuno 225, 54* & 59* t22. My problem, I think, is the 49* 225 comes out hotter. So my yardage is like 115 (120 if I catch it good), 90, 75. My pitching wedge, btw, is around 125-130. Seems like I should get my gap wedge bent weaker, maybe? That would mess with the bounce though sounds like.
What i miss is the pre club check if they are really the lofts and lie you say they are. And also you have something called memory of the steel in the hosel. Clubs will go back to there original loft and lie. especially if they are not forged clubs
48°pw, 52° bent to 53 and, 60 work for me, i used to have 4 wedges but i like my 3 iron so went to 3 wedges..My problem is Im using blades from 2006 and losing distance due to age, injuries and old technology.
So you went 44, 50, 54 and 60? That would never work for me. From my 6 iron to LW, I have 4 degree separation between each club. So, I go 42 (9 iron), 46 PW, 50, 54 and 58. It is perfect for me and I do not miss the 60. I guess the idea is to do whatever gives you the most confidence. Great video. I think it is so important for us to tinker on this level and find what works best.
4* difference between mid/short irons is great but once you get into the wedges that gap needs to jump up to 5 or 6 degrees. a 48* wedge is pretty silly when the PW is 44. ive always thought 45-50-55-60 made the most sense, but then you take a guy like Tommy Fleetwood who only plays a 52 and a 60 just so he can have more options at the top end of the bag.
Have to point out that 5 clubs covering 45 yards is not 9 yards per club as there are only 4 gaps. So it's 45/4 = 11 yard gaps or 45/3 = 15 yard gaps (what you've gone for). ie. 85, 100, 115, 130.
My problem is that I don't consistently hit any club well enough to say which one I want to lose, but I have a driver, 3 and 5 wood, then 3-9, pw, and the lazrus 3 pack (52,56,60) and a putter.
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I really enjoy your collaborations with Elite Fit Golf. In particular, this gapping session was very good. Today I'm doing a gapping session and loft/lie check on all my irons since our first men's club tournament is happening the end of March. Always good to make your equipment is in spec for the new golf season.
Adam has taught me so much about club making on his channel. Me and a buddy have split costs on a few tools to make our own little golf workshop. We have a swing weight scale and loft and lie bending tool. I just swapped iron shafts and it's been a blast learning all of this stuff. In my mind It's worth it to spend a few hundred dollars one time on the tools instead of spending who knows how much on taking clubs in to have someone else do it. Adam teaches you all the stuff you wouldn't even think about when it comes to clubs.
Great insight. Thank you. Just one reason why my Vokey’s have always been 50, 54, and 58 as it also is easier to match your irons of choice just a little bit better from a gapping perspective.
Definitely gives credence as to why you should go to a club fitter like Adam prior to purchasing!! Love the team work again with you guys!! Great knowledge share here - really appreciate you guys doing this!!
PW = 50* in my old sets of irons including blades and my original Ping Eye 2’s. We carried a 56* and learned how to hit open and closed shots as well as grip down. This gave lots of distance options.
Couldn’t agree more
Very cool... I had the exact set up - 44*, 48, 52*, 58, 60*. I decided to dropped my 56*, 60* and added a 58*. The 58* does the work for both of them. So now, I carry the 48*, 52* and the 58*. So far, this has really worked out for me.
I also definitely enjoyed your collaboration videos with elite fit golf. Please keep them coming I especially enjoyed this video on gapping
This is exactly my scenario right down to the same yardages!! Thanks so much.
Great collaboration by 2 of my fave UA-camrs! Most MANUFACTURERS aren't doing us any favors with only EVEN LOFTS. In the 90's Wilson offered a wedge in EVERY LOFT from 49 to 60. By the early 2000's as more equipment companies were bought out by BEAN COUNTING CORPORATIONS, the ODD LOFT wedges disappreared forcing US to customize EVEN LOFTED WEDGES. Furhermore: Ben Hogan is quoted saying "show me the man who hits full shots with his wedges...I want to play him for money!" I noticed way back in the 80's that a traditional WEDGE SHAPE did not fly as far as a BLADE or CAVITY BACK design. Therefore I now use LESS LOFT for the FIRST WEDGE. (Stock Blade wedge 47, GAP 50, SW 55, LOB 60) and YES BEN, I hit FULL SHOTS with them ALL!🤣
Like the subject. And the combo of two of my favorite experts. It was a puzzle for me too. I used to have just 2 specialist wedges, 52 and 58. my classic iron set had a 45 degree PW. My new iron set also had a 45 degree PW, but since it was hollow body, it easily went 5-10 meters further than the old PW. I thought I could fix it going to 50-54-58, but the 50 still had a gap that was too big. I had no club to predictabiy hit 90-95 meters. Now I've ended up with 47-54-58. The 47-PW gap is ideal, I can take a little off if needed too, and the 54 and 58 I usually do not need for full shots.
I agree with doing this a lot. My PW from my P-790's is 45 so I have wedges at 50, 55 and 60. I know 5 degrees is more than usual but it works for me. Although I've never been fitted like this for wedges.
I also have P790 and because of that I went 50, 54, 58. I still have a slight issue though because I’ll hit my full P typically 125-130 and it seems like I’m only getting 105-110 with my 50, so there’s still a bit of a gap in distances. I used to only use a 52 and 56 with my old irons but I think the loft of the P was a 48.
@@kdub3288 Similar yardages for me. I can get up to 120 with my 50 but then sometimes put too much back spin on the ball. I'll use my PW and 50 back and forth depending on how the day is going.
Was there any thought of bending 44 to 45 and then have a 50/55/60 setup with vokeys?
Im running that setup😎
Informative. I had similar choices and opted to keep the ironset PW plus 4 SM10s, so five wedges. Luckily the gapping worked well as I went PW, 46, 50, 54, 58.
It is great to see your title to tell us what to do instead of what not to do. It makes a difference to make a change. Nice information.
I just went thru wedge gap fitting and ironically had same issue Mr. Short Game. My issue was my swing though and not the wedges. My fitter also gives lessons and pointed out a swing flaw that was robbing me 10 yards of distance. I'm 58 years old, a higher handicap, and my gapping is 10 yards off from you. I'm getting SM10s at 47, 51, and 55 but going to work on swing flaw.
Some people don't mind the offset change with removing loft on a wedge, but more often than not it just changes the look too much because of how the hosel and the leading edge are shaped. I would rather add loft to a wedge than take that much off because of that odd look with offset. That being said, I play the T150 and go 44 PW, 50 Gap, 55, 60, just so I can have a 4 iron at the top end. Very cool gaping session.
Matt enjoyed this. I depends on park golf terrain, my club course is 1890 extremely hilly course with very trick green approaches. Greens you can roll off
Have the exact same wedges in the bag 44', 48',52', 56', 60' and i would be seen in bunkers with 8i and 9i too! (Irish links golf in strong winds) I lost my 5i out. WITB Driver, 7w, 5Hyb, 6-PW, wedges
its funny I just came across this video I had bought a 52 degree played it and it was quite to the distance i wanted it to cover I was nervous bout it but I took it in to get bent to 49 and had a great round yesterday makes me feel even more confident about my choice watching this video
I only have one wedge (56°), and it seems to work out for most situations.
If I need more loft, I’ll just open the club face a little bit.
I use my 56° for shots 100 yards and in and I’ve honed in the distances using the wedge clock system.
Maybe one day when I get better, I will add more wedges but for right now this seems to work for me and it keeps it simple.
I have been through this process with the loft and lie machine. Mine were 60, 56 went to a 55 and the 52 went to a 50, with my pitching wedge at 46. My distance gapping in my opinion was spot on. The lie side of the equation is also very important,an upright or flat lie that doesn’t suit your swing, shaft lengths etc. is bad for you golf.
It’s all important and not difficult to do as it is worth it.
this is exactly what i’m dealing with now!!! had a discussion on the course yesterday, it is a such a relevant topic. thanks.
man... I'm so envious of your swing. it's butter, effortless... I have to GO for it to get your yardages. If I swing smooth like you I'm about 30yds short.... :(
Same. And it's irritating! 😝
Great video Matt. Very informative. It’s crazy that with the irons so ‘jacked’ nowadays that a third of the bag is made up with wedges!
i had pw/48/52/58. i wanted to add my 2 iron in so i worked out my common club vs how often i use club...the 48 came out...yeh the gapping is a big one but it gives me a chance to learn short game control.
So cool, you guys detailed exactly what you did you assessed. The problem explained the solution you guys are straight to the point I was watching another video on changing shafts I believe it was smash factor or smash factory. The guy changes shoves, and his T-shirts are completely different. Great shots I posted what shaft did he change to, and they told me you don’t worry about that. Just try a bunch of shafts and figure it out but you guys are the opposite.
This is exactly where I am at with my wedges. Does indoor gapping translate pretty well to outdoor gapping?
I had the exact same issue and lost the LW and the additional PW. So the set up is 44 (set PW) 50 and 56 SM9. The 56 is M grind and opens up really nicely so I don’t miss the LW at all.
My PW is also 44° and I went through the same process but with Titleist before ordering. Ended up with 48 as gap 54 sand and wanted a low bounce versatile option with the 60 4° T Grind. Never really swinging the sand or liob wedge full and I’m comfortable taking distance off. The extra club at the top of the bag is nice to have
Never his a "full wedge" if you want accuracy and consistency.
- Padraig Harrington
@@maynard3legs part of my inspiration!
I carry 4 wedges. I had too big a gap between my PW and my SW (120/95 respectively). So, I really needed the AW to fill that gap at 105-110 yds. My extra wedge is a 60* LW.
As a long hitter I've always had 5 wedges in my game for last 20 years. Stock PW, Cleavland 48, 52, 56, 60. People are always impressed at my short game since I have 5 wedges and also know my half swing yardages. That's how you score well is 150 and in
love you guys working together!
Great video it shows me that I may need to do this with my wedges. But I don't have the four wedges in my bag.
Great video as always.... I still would like to see the dynamic loft delivered but with his consistency I guess it's good as is.
I had the same issue, the sm9 with the t150, i added loft on all my irons lol they are stock de lofted so just brought it back to standard. The t100 where not feeling good for me as my off center hits where too pronounce on the feel, and the t200 feel too “bouncy”
All my clubs match. TM SIM Max 5i-lob. The lofts are PW- 43.5, AW- 49, SW- 54, LW- 59. They are 5 degrees different. Works for me, but I should get an iron/wedge fitting.
Adam @elitefitgolf is amazing. Went in for a fitting twice and he's so honest and helpful. Doesn't try sell you things you dont need and always makes sure you are fit correctly.
I wasn't getting the predictable distance that I was used to with my 60° lob wedge. So I had it checked and it measured 62°!
I had it bent to 58°. Then had my 52° bent to 53°. I aldo carry a 48°, and my 44° PW was bent to 43°. So my gaps are now 5°.
I can always open the face a few degrees if I need a shorter shot.
Great video, enjoyed the fitting session with Elite Fit Golf, they look like a real nice company.
Not one to normally comment, but I have to say I really do enjoy your videos. You introduced me to the game two years ago, thank you. Goodluck in life brother 👍🏻
Got fit for a set of the Cobra CB’s 4-P, gap between my 50 and P are good but the gap between my 9 and P arean’t. Will probably get my P bent to 45 maybe 44.
Also cant wait for my SM10’s to get here , so jealous LOL
Got fit for MG4’s in Oregon, 56-12 and 60-10 for wet muddy conditions. Then moved to Florida andddd, Florida has no mud LOL.
Went 56-8M and 60-4T.
Can you do a video on people who shoot the flag distance then choose the iron they once hit that distance and why they always end up in the front right bunker?
5:40 5 wedges gives 4 gaps. So in a spread of 46 yards the "perfect gap" would be 11-12 yards between clubs, not 9 yards 🙂 So from the shown data one degree stronger SW and 1.5-2 degree stronger GW will give the perfecting gapping, if those strikes of course is representative of your regular average strikes on course.
Likewise if you chose to drop one wegde as you discussed, the gapping would be 15-16 yards, which is a bit of a stretch.
I carry 14 clubs but used to carry 15 to add a 2i. I had a 48* so instead of Vokey 52,56,60 I got Mizuno T24 52/58 then lofted the 52 to a 53 and cut the 58 by 1/4” so back to 14. The 48/53/58 is plenty enough. I prefer to loft up and add a bit of bounce instead of lofting down and reducing a bit of bounce.
My pw is 44. I have 3 vokeys. 48,54, and 60. Works great.
Personally I think I would have liked that gapping better than what Matt settled on. 6 degrees between pw and gw seems excessive to me. Then again he only hits his pw 135. At 44* he should be hitting that closer to 145. Just my opinion. I think it's better to put the larger gap towards the bottom
Where is this video being filmed at? Mr. Mobile is quite tall.
My P wedge is also 44° and I went with the Vokey SM9's in a 50, 54, and 58.
Yea I need to do this with my new wedges I just bought last year. I bought them to gap a 45 degree P-wedge but I didn’t want a 60 degree so I went 50, 54, 58. But I still have too much of a gap between my P and my 50 for distance. Considering bending my 50 to a 48 or 49 and my 54 to 53 but leave 58 cause I typically won’t full swing that one anyways except when absolutely necessary.
Gotta be the biggest scam in golf that an average player needs 4 wedges.
I know I have 5
That’s what loft jacking has done
I could not agree more! The overwhelming majority of golfers do not need gapping like this. So over thought and unnecessary
Odd comment. For me, I’ve recently removed a longer club from my bag. No need for it, too much distance. I added another wedge. Different bounce, better gapping, easier short game play.
@@patburns3081you’re going to be inconsistent with long clubs though, so you might as well give yourself the best chance with short clubs
Had the same issue with a 44° PW. Ended up going 48°, 54° and 60°. Finished with a nice 10-12m gapping
A common mistake people make is buying specialty wedges that flow 4 degrees off their PW but the technology difference between some irons and specialty wedges is drastic and the 4 degree gap from PW to 1st wedge doesn't provide the gap you need. It's a good idea to always find the loft that provides the required distance off your PW and then gap the rest off that. Sometimes you may need a 46 degree specialty wedge to gap off a 46 degree PW. It all depends on the technolgy differences.
Matt, have you switched to an X100 shaft in all your wedges? I recall the testing you and Adam did swapping out the standard wedge shaft for a 7/8i X100 shaft. Of course cutting the butt down to the right length. After watching that video, I swapped out the shaft in my 60°. It flies lower and spins more (prov 1) and I think it's more accurate directionally. I'm be doing my other two wedges shortly.
I have the t150 irons but got the set gw at 48 and then have my vokey sm9’s at 54 and 60
I like the fact that he mentioned that his PW=44*. These club manufactures have spent the last decade strengthening the loft on irons to sell you how much further their newest irons go. They didn’t do anything except turn a PW into a 9…and still call it a PW.
I have the exact same wedge setup. I make more birdies because of the wedges so I removed my 3 wood instead (since it is mostly a layup club for me)
Beginneers: You ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT do this with your wedges in golf.
For the love of God, don't get wrapped around the axle with this. For one, you aren't going to be consistent enough to make this worth it. Two, having 3-4 wedges to choose from is absurd for anyone who isn't breaking 90. Three, you'll never develop a close, confident relationship with your go-to approach club. The club you should be planning to hit into the green on every single par 4 and par 5.
Keep it simple and drill the basics your first few years. A 46° (PW) and a 54° with some bounce (SW) is all you want to bring. In fact, if you *only bring* 3W, 7i, 46, 54, and P... you have enough to break 90 on nearly any course in the USA from the Men's tees. It's about executing the fundamentals and getting consistent direction and distance from those four clubs, not losing balls, and two-putting. Think about that.
Love those shoes! What make are they? Btw, the wedge modification is very similar to what I did so that I could carry my 4 iron.
Cool video my whole bag probably needs this
My PW is 43 so I have a 48,52,56,60 as my wedge set up. But not sure if I should just go 54 and 60? Looking to upgrade so that’s the decision I have right now.
too many wedges... I have P(43) 50 54 and 58 which is all i need. I can take a little off my P if there's a gap between that and 50, but it's really not a problem. I can hit half and 3/4 swings with any of my wedges so gaps aren't a problem
Great collaboration!
What shoes are you wearing in the video? They look great
Did you or can you do a review on your golf shoes? Great video as always
this is great stuff! Two of my favorite golf UA-camrs! Another thing…can you two do another video addressing the flattening of wedge lies? You hear that a lot these days that pros flatten their wedges, especially if they are wedges they take full shots with, otherwise, you wind up pulling shots…any truth to that and what say you on this??? BTW, nice, “I’m a pretty good wedge player.” Really??? You’re MR. FREAKIN’ SHORT GAME!!! You’d better be a little better than pretty good! LOL…
Generally irons gap is 9m or 10 yards. But as amateurs we release correctly some times and the 110 m wedge goes 120 m.
Curious if the lofts were checked for accuracy before testing. eg was 56 degree wedge exactly 56 degrees
It's interesting to see how different people end up in different combinations! Fit at the end of last season, I ended up with the PW(44.5)and GW(49.5) being from my ping set and two SM9 at 54 and 58. Because of that I'm curious. You end up with a 54 and 60. Do you mostly play your 60 out of the sand? If not, how do you feel about now playing a 54 from the sand? Love the look of your customs too btw!
My 9 is 41, PW is 45, GW is 50, SW is 55, and LW is 60. I would probably like something between SW and LW. I almost never use my GW. 110-125 I use my PW. Inside there I am at my SW which can go anywhere from a 170 yard blade to a uber lofted 60 yard flop. LW is typically only used from inside 60 yards and I will either sky it to the moon for a total distance of 27 yards, or skull it through the clubhouse windows.
MrShortGame Golf always has the nicest shoes...
Good vid. Wish you had shown the same chart from earlier to see the final gapping.
Love those shoes Matt they are awesome
Interesting video Matt! So many things to play with in the short game, are you going to swap wedge shafts to Axiom's to match your irons? As i can imagine this tweaking things slightly. Also have you ever tried an iron set matching GW? I play T100s irons with a matching GW and love it to bits. Then go into a 54 & 58 / 60 (condition depending).
Generally every degree of loft is approximately 2-3yds depending on your swing speed, plus or minus depending on if you’re going up or down in loft to fill out your yardages .
The brilliance of being professionally fitted 👍
Thats what I went with too. T100 Pw bent to 45, 50, 54, 60. Hardly ever taking a full cut with the 60.
What is the grip on you pitching wedge 1?
i just got my vokeys 50, 54, and 60, when i got fit i hit my pw as well and looked at gapping, is that not part of the fitting process?
45 yards for 5 clubs is actually 11.25 yards progression since there are only 4 gaps between 5 clubs. Progression would be TY/(N-1). 45/(5-1) = 11.25. If you drop to 4 clubs then a perfect progression would be 45/(4-1) which is 15 yards per club.
I got rid of my 3-7 irons and now carry a 44 degree PW, 46, 48, 49, 51, 54, 56 and 61 degree wedge set. Now if could just consistently hit my driver 360 yards.
What about bounce change when bending wedges?
Did the fitting with Titleist ended up with the same lofts 60, 54, 50, 44
MSG...what shafts are in your Titleist irons? Not wedges, but 9, 8, 7...
For me I got from 128 aw, 115 52 degree, 105 56 degree, 95 60 degree. With having more long clubs I can’t take out I’m forced to remove one from this perfect gap so I take out the 115 yard club normally
There’s nothing like this place where I live. So I just have to figure it out and order what I need. My gapping goes by 5*. 49* mizuno 225, 54* & 59* t22. My problem, I think, is the 49* 225 comes out hotter. So my yardage is like 115 (120 if I catch it good), 90, 75. My pitching wedge, btw, is around 125-130. Seems like I should get my gap wedge bent weaker, maybe? That would mess with the bounce though sounds like.
Yeah that's what I have for lofts. I like it. I gap the whole bag to about 15 yards
No discussion on how you’ve changed the bounce as you bend lofts?
What i miss is the pre club check if they are really the lofts and lie you say they are. And also you have something called memory of the steel in the hosel. Clubs will go back to there original loft and lie. especially if they are not forged clubs
A 44° pitching wedge is a former 9 iron. When the lofts started getting stronger, the "gaps" became a problem.
Great video... thanks
48°pw, 52° bent to 53 and, 60 work for me, i used to have 4 wedges but i like my 3 iron so went to 3 wedges..My problem is Im using blades from 2006 and losing distance due to age, injuries and old technology.
Do you feel wedges off a hitting mat gives accurate numbers vs grass?
48°, 52°, 56° and 60° has always worked very well for me. 🤔🤪🇺🇲
So you went 44, 50, 54 and 60? That would never work for me. From my 6 iron to LW, I have 4 degree separation between each club. So, I go 42 (9 iron), 46 PW, 50, 54 and 58. It is perfect for me and I do not miss the 60. I guess the idea is to do whatever gives you the most confidence. Great video. I think it is so important for us to tinker on this level and find what works best.
4* difference between mid/short irons is great but once you get into the wedges that gap needs to jump up to 5 or 6 degrees. a 48* wedge is pretty silly when the PW is 44. ive always thought 45-50-55-60 made the most sense, but then you take a guy like Tommy Fleetwood who only plays a 52 and a 60 just so he can have more options at the top end of the bag.
Good stuff!
My pitching wedge is 46, my approach wedge is 50, my sand wedge is 55, and lob wedge 60. works for me.
most wedges are cast iron , which is harder to bend ?
Have to point out that 5 clubs covering 45 yards is not 9 yards per club as there are only 4 gaps. So it's 45/4 = 11 yard gaps or 45/3 = 15 yard gaps (what you've gone for). ie. 85, 100, 115, 130.
My problem is that I don't consistently hit any club well enough to say which one I want to lose, but I have a driver, 3 and 5 wood, then 3-9, pw, and the lazrus 3 pack (52,56,60) and a putter.
That's 15 clubs; you need to get rid of one to be legal for tournaments.
I watch his videos wish he would make more!
The initial math was wrong. It’s not 45 yards with 5 clubs = 9 yards. It’s 45 yards with 4 gaps = 11+ yards.
So.. 48* Vokey SM10 for sale?