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With British built planes, you might want to get in touch with the AAIB, as they would've been involved in the investigation. The report on this incident may even be available online - if not, they should have paper copies available...
Hello, it’s been a while. I have been interested in Philippine Airlines crashes and I have been adding to Wikipedia pages and are thinking of creating new ones that are detailed enough. I have a suggestion to cover Philippine Airlines Flight 215, a HS-748 that crashed because of a bomb, and the information is obscure and provides the same info about it being a bomb explosion. Is it possible for you to look into this crash? With the info provided, I can add to the Wikipedia pages, and I am going to do work on Flight 443 today. (btw, I’m the person that did the 5th sentence talking about it being the first accident of a Short 360)
Rest In Peace to the following victims: Captain Roberto L. Sarenas First Officer Pastor Quebral Second Officer Abelardo Villarba Flight Attendant Antoinette Lim Lita Benitez Orville Cloma C. Dimosimba Vicente Guanzon Judith Mellijor Leslie Mellijor Linda Monterroyo Lufrosino Jacob John Richard Wood Dinky Montaner Norayda Montaner They are at peace.
I'm Filipino and I haven't heard about this accident. Some things to add in context: - This was just shortly after the 1986 EDSA Revolution, where we ended almost 20 years of Marcos rule. The country was pretty unstable back then and just July of that year, President Corazon Aquino just survived her 4th coup attempt. - The Cebu to Iligan route doesn't exist anymore today, airlines just fly to the newer and better airport at Cagayan de Oro and people just take land transportation to Iligan. That route makes sense thought since Cebu and Iligan are majority Cebuano, the country's second largest ethnolinguistic group I have access to a local library that has an extensive Philippine print resource, including more newspapers dating back to that time. I could check it out soon.
I just love your work, man. The fact that you can put together a video that has your same, usual quality and flow with such little source material, is an absolute testament to how good you really are at what you do. Please keep it up, we’re here for it!
@@GRHDA Okay. The instructor, last name Hulme, who flew for Pasco... I think in 2005 because he upgraded to the Saab 340 then unless this was at another airline... said they nicknamed it The Bus. But I can see why they called it The Shed.
Back around 1980, I worked with the Shorts SD-330, which was an earlier twin-tailed version. One of the things I recall about both the 330/360 was that the wings were such that they didn't contain any fuel tanks, as is common with most larger airliners. Where was the fuel? In fuselage tanks that were above the passenger cabin. Given the law of gravity, I was always wondering how well the design might hold up in the event of a gear-up landing or other accident, and the resultant possibility of a post-accident fire in the cabin.
Just one correction [ 1:39 ] : the Shorts Skyvan, 330, 360 and Sherpa were built in Belfast, NORTHERN Ireland. Not the Republic of Ireland which is a separate country. Belfast currently is part of the United Kingdom and as such it would be more accurate to say that it was British-built.
It certainly was British 🇬🇧 built, but the EI registration indicates that the owner was Irish. Aircraft leasing is a big industry in the Republic of Ireland. 🇮🇪
just putting together a script for this video must've been a task and a half! let alone editing, B-Roll, animations, and so on. great job, Chloe! keep it up 👌🏻
I used to fly the Shorts SD3-60. All the time I had to tell people that "I had a flight attendant in my shorts", and to ATC I sometimes had to say that we couldn't expedite our climb because "We are packing a load in our shorts today"..... May the Shorts be with you!
I was a passenger on a Shorts 360 on a commercial flight from KSPI "back in the day". It is - by far - the most uncomfortable plane I have ever been on. RIP to all involved in this tragedy.
I’ve flown several times in the Short 360 many years ago and, as another has commented on here, they were damned uncomfortable. It was like flying in a holiday caravan. So unpopular with passengers they used to hide the things ‘around the back’ of Cardiff Airport where they couldn’t be seen from the departures terminal. I’ve heard many a groan from fellow passengers when their aircraft was revealed on the walk from the terminal across the apron! However, excellent video covering a little known disaster and, to give it its due, unlikely that the aircraft itself contributed to the crash. Great product from Belfast. Home of the Titanic 😀
I’m new to this channel but seriously impressed by the level of research carried out and the quality of the commentary and production of each video. Fascinating insight and understanding far superior to most channels covering similar disasters 👏👏👏
What sort of vile person loots from such a horrific event? Beyond disrespectful. I've flown on this aircraft type in the early '90s. So non-aerodynamic, like a caravan with wings! Great video report with the limited information available.
Their is also a Philippine Airlines Hawker Siddeley HS-748 crash in Bagiuo (1987), but informations are limited too. In fact, some Philippine air crashes cases have limited information, like the 1970 Philippine Airlines Hawker Siddeley HS-748 bombing. Some only publicized their preliminary investigations, some are undetermined, and some are lacking. But asides from those cases, may all the souls on board those flights may rest in peace.
Interesting video 📹. I had heard of this before from a Filipino friend that I talk about air crashes with. She said it was in the news it happened, but mainly in the newspapers, so where you found your information makes sense. I will have to forward this to her. Thank you!
I remember the first time I saw a Shorts360. It was “what the hell is that!” Looks like a train car supported by two flimsy linguine noodles! But, first time stepping inside and I was hooked! Very roomy indeed!
Thank you for putting forgotten accidents like this to light again! Extremely well done too, considering the lack of information. Whenever I read about air crashes that have almost no info (that I can find online, at least), it makes me even more sad for the victims involved in them. To not only die in such a terrifying way, but to also be forgotten by the vast majority of the world, with barely any traces left that you even existed as far as the wider public is concerned? Just one more tragic thing about an already tragic disaster. So again; thank you for letting us know about this crash. Even if we might never know how or what exactly happened, just reminding people that it happened is a step in the right direction. May the crew and passengers rest in peace...
Well if u were born after 2000 u probably havent heard the major accidents that PAL & Cebu Pacific had bc there wasnt any major accidents that occured here other than some runway overruns since
I'd love to see you do a video on the crash that happened due to a passenger smuggling a crocodile that got free. All I remember was it was in Africa, with a British pilot, and one person survived.
It always drives me nuts when I look into an accident and I get minimal information because nobody can be bothered to write it down on the internet. Glad you at least tried to scoop up what you could on this one!
The 'Flying Shoebox' as they were dubbed during their time flying here, a bit wobbly and choppy in anything short of ideal weather conditions to fly in, but still and on decent workhorses.
Appreciate the videos on the less known aircraft incidents. Nobody seems to be doing videos on them. I actually like them the better. And I'm going to suggest because it's accidents everywhere want you to do.
I flew in one of these aircraft in 19597, from Copenhagen to Christiansted, Sweden. It was a comfortable flight - even a complementary beer. The name of the company was MUK-AIR. I don’t know whether they still exist.
My girlfriend is from the Philippines. She says there is a Municipality called Manai in the general area of the plane crash. It's likely that the mountain is in that Municipality, so it could be said it crashed into a mountain in Manai. (It seems Manai is not a mountain, but the name of the area where the mountain is located)
Would fly on C-23 Sherpas while I was stationed in England 1985-1988. These C-23's were based out of Zweibrucken Air Base Germany. C-23's were military cargo version of the Shorts aircraft. Perhaps you can do a feature on the C-23 that crashed March 3rd 2001 over Georgia.
Nice Video BRO I appreciate it but pls do a Video about the second deadliest crash in the Philippines, Cebu Pacific Flight 387 crash in MT sumagaya approaching Cagayan de Oro Airport in Northern Mindanao.
I served in the Air Force for a number of years, and was the resident "airplane nut" in the medical group. One day the eye doctor stops me in the hall and says "I saw a weird plane today and I'm betting you're the only one here who can tell me what it is. It's white and looks like a dumpster with wings!" My reply, "Interesting - I'll actually have to look that one up. But at least I know what you're talking about - It flies over my house almost every morning." Turned out there were Shorts Sherpas and CASA CN-295s on an auxiliary airfield used by special operations groups for training (and I would imagine missions). My house was below the path they took from the airfield to the training areas, and occasionally they would land at the main airfield used by the large transport planes (C-17s, C-130s). These "flying dumpster" planes are very useful for rough field operations, and small unit parachute drops.
I think the worst information-situation I ever encountered for my blog was either a fire in an easter european metro-system which just had....little info and less facts, or a train crash in China where the government tried very hard to make things un-happen.
@@DisasterBreakdown there is another Philippine Airlines accident that you could do, it happened back in 1960 where a DC-3 crashed on the slopes of Mount Baco. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_S26
Man, it must suck to not find enough info online. While your channel is still small, you probably already have subscribers from all around the world tho. When such occasions happen, some UA-camrs turn to subscribers for more info. Yes, they may not count as official or 100% stories, but can at least give you a general idea of what happened, and mostly because there could be philipino websites that we simply don’t know about that may have more info. And example of this: in China, while some users use UA-cam, there’s a huge number of people that also uses a site called “Billi Billi” to upload videos. If there was a Chinese airplane tragedy for example, there could be more info there. Hope what I’m saying doesn’t sound rude tho, it’s just a small comment, or like a suggestion! I love your vids!
it's interesting to me that all the channels i've come across, which deal with this topic, are excellent. maybe that's because there is so little room for speculation and/or opinion; we just get the facts. Anyway, another top job. thanks
Great video which brought back many memories for me, as I flew the SD-360-300 for almost a decade in the 1990s. We used to call it the shed! Happy days.
Great video Chloe!!!!! I Look forward to your videos every week!!! Thank you for all of your hard work and effort you put into each and every video and I can’t wait for the next Rail Disaster 😎 ps (have always had a big fear of flying, this channel has helped me tremendously to overcome that fear, thank you!!!)
First off, you did an amazing job with the limited publicly available info for this accident. Secondly, I believe the reason for this would be caused by 2 factors: The first being that PAL (Philippine Airlines) is owned by one of the richest families in the Philippines. They have used that influence to minimize all bad press that the airline had in the 80-early 2000's. The second being the accident happened during the presidency of Ferdinand Marcos Sr. Who also limited the bad press the country got, this was done to keep people visiting the country and not being scared to use PAL. I am actually in aviation in the Philippines and had never heard one word about this other than the fact it happened. Beyond that there is very very little info out there. The reason for the 3 pilots is that PAL and many Airlines use this method to train up pilots new to the type. So one is a Captain training the other Captain, or a Captain checking to see if the First officer is ready to be made a Captain on that type of aircraft. Philippines has a very strange system of pilot licensing not seen in first world countries. Instead of being rated in SEL, MEL etc you need to do ratings for every type of aircraft flown.
It is sad to see that some of the accidents never got the final report and what and why it happened. I have become so used to getting all the information which there usuamly is a lot of that it was jarribg to hear we dont even know the exact locatio where these 15 people lost their lives. I hope they all were identified and had their remains returned to the families! Excellent video as usual, I really love gow you can make out a story from such little information and have it still be interesting and easily understood.
there is a similar accident in 1998, Cebu Pacific Flight 387. Crashed in the mountainous fog but comes with very interesting details. there's a monument existing in today's present times to remember everyone who perished
@@DisasterBreakdown It is and it's now ranked 2nd place for the deadliest plane crash in the Philippines after its record was broken by Air Philippines 541
I wouldn't be surprised if Mount Munay was an alternative name for Mount Gurain. Cartography can be messy, especially if the cartographer is not local to the region, as is common in colonised regions. Different local cultures may have different names for the same landmark, different cartographers may interpret spoken names differently (either through hearing or through different forms of Latinisation), and the cartographer may give the landmark an additional name in line with their own cultural background (for example, Mount Sagarmatha, Qomolangma, or Everest depending on who you're talking to.)
I wonder if part of the reason why this disaster has been forgotten is the events of the following day in the Philippines - I can imagine that the deaths of 15 in a plane crash would have quickly paled into insignificance when compared with the deaths of over 4000 in the sinking of the Dona Paz.
I researched into Philippines' plane crashes including this crash, besides i already know about Air Philippines 541 and Cebu Pacific 387. Speaking of Flight 387, can you make a video of it as well like this?
do you have any references or maybe even the final report? i've been trying to find the final report of the crash for years but the philippines authorities seemed to be reluctant on publishing it.. no much information the crashes either, it literally irked me
Good job with making something watchable out of not much to go on. Lesser known places and planes, but the average high-income nation citizen doesn't realize how much aviation there is outside commercial airlines with big jets or the military in the news or at an airshow.
Very odd not knowing where it crashed, finding it eventually in a remote forested area, and it was looted before rescuers got there? Was there no investigation by Short, or aviation authorities? Well put together, thank you.
I have to agree with the comments about this plane being very uncomfortable... I flew one from Nanaimo to Vancouver once in bad weather and I would state that this was the worst flight I ever took - for one thing it was bitingly cold for the whole trip.
when i first saw that this video existed, i went to look at the wikipedia page and i was shocked at how short it was. so i was curious how you were gonna make this a full video and, its great
9:24 there was a picture of the crash site and it's obviously at the side of a mountain. It was posted in the Philippine Inquirer front page. Rode this type from Cebu to Tagbilaran Bohol and vice versa. It's not the smoothest but it's ok.
Looting the crash site is one of the more infuriating details included in a number of crash reports and subsequent videos. Can't remember offhand the flight details but a South American crash (IIRC Bolivian plane crashes in Venezuela while on the way to Brazil) and the USAF C-5 in Vietnam during "Operation Babylift" have been covered, both investigations were made considerably harder by needed evidence getting legs.
I can never Understand why Pilots do not make their Lowest Flying Altitude higher than that of the Highest Mountain in the Area, most, if not all of these Controlled Fight Into Terrain, (CFIT) are easily Avoidible.
The Philippines was at that time a country with high levels of inequality - great poverty (for many), contrasted with great wealth (for a few). There was not a culture of public spending (no publicly owned health care service, for example) and this lack of public spending would have been reflected in both the airports and the airlines. When you have a culture of austerity then even essentials such as a ground proximity warning system would have been seen as an 'unnecessary' expense. This is in stark contrast to,say Nordic countries, where health care, along with safety, were and are seen as being of paramount importance. Perhaps the lack of information after the crash was a deliberate policy, in order that the airline could avoid public scrutiny, for fear of what would in all probablity have been revealed as a lack of safety equipment and procedures.
Two Captains plus an FO sounds like a Check Ride, no? I've flown on Short 360's several times. It always amazes me what a safe record it has. Because just walking out onto the tarmac to board one it looks scary as hell. You feel like someone said "we need a flying bus" and the designers took them literally, and just bolted wings on a bus. They are not the most comfortable planes. Load enough that you can feel it in your teeth.
I enjoy your videos always ... well done. 2 questions in respect of the plane in this video : 1. What is done to maintain equilibrium in a plane that has an odd number of seats either side of the aisle? 2. I understand that the capacity of this plane is relatively small. The wings, however, are so skinny. How is the required amount of lift generated from such a small surface area?
Usually there is no consequence from having weight asymmetry (within reason) close to the centerline of the plane, and if necessary you can dial in some aileron and/or rudder trim to compensate. As for #2, the long thin wings are very efficient at generating lift at low speeds, plus it has almost full span flaps.
400 push-pull tubes, a strut braced wing, and all the fuel is in the ceiling of the cabin. AND....You can fly the Shorts with the windows open, I'm not kidding! -Fly it through rain and the first officer gets a shower......
Its absolutely tragic that almost no information is available about this accident, surely the vctims deserve more than 5 sentences in aviation history.....
CFIT accidents like this were sadly not that uncommon often due to simple and subtle human errors. I used ti joke that the three easiest things to screw up are a souffle, a marriage and an instrument approach.
Good video, made something about an accident is not fully known. There’s a page on another Philippine Airlines accident that happened in 1960, named PR S26 (PI-C133) that crashed into the slopes of Mount Baco. Can you try making a video on that? Thanks 😄 Edit: The plane was a DC-3. More info here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_S26
I love your videos! I was wondering if you could perhaps do a video of the Winkton air crash, a BOAC test flight. Here's info about it on Wikipedia: 1958 BOAC Bristol Britannia crash G-AOVD was a Bristol Britannia 312 operated by BOAC which crashed near Christchurch, Dorset, in the south of England on Christmas Eve 1958, killing two of the five crew and all seven passengers
Cloud at 4,000 feet, mountains south west of airport up to 5,000 feet, no terrain detector, no landing assist, maybe no ground radar. Why not stay below 4,000 feet from the coast inwards to maintain a view of ground and airport, then a simple left hand 1/4 turn in to the approach. Why fly past the airport towards mountains in cloud, for a right hand 3/4 turn back in.
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With British built planes, you might want to get in touch with the AAIB, as they would've been involved in the investigation. The report on this incident may even be available online - if not, they should have paper copies available...
Hello, it’s been a while.
I have been interested in Philippine Airlines crashes and I have been adding to Wikipedia pages and are thinking of creating new ones that are detailed enough.
I have a suggestion to cover Philippine Airlines Flight 215, a HS-748 that crashed because of a bomb, and the information is obscure and provides the same info about it being a bomb explosion.
Is it possible for you to look into this crash? With the info provided, I can add to the Wikipedia pages, and I am going to do work on Flight 443 today.
(btw, I’m the person that did the 5th sentence talking about it being the first accident of a Short 360)
To say how little information there seemed to be to work with, this is exceptionally done.
What a pro.
Glad you liked it!
@@DisasterBreakdown Man, I love this video, also, what do you think about the 1998 ariana afghan crash?
@@birgenair301 you mean flight 701
@@arsalshahzad5751 no
@@arsalshahzad5751 you know that more than one plane can crash right
Rest In Peace to the following victims:
Captain Roberto L. Sarenas
First Officer Pastor Quebral
Second Officer Abelardo Villarba
Flight Attendant Antoinette Lim
Lita Benitez
Orville Cloma
C. Dimosimba
Vicente Guanzon
Judith Mellijor
Leslie Mellijor
Linda Monterroyo
Lufrosino Jacob
John Richard Wood
Dinky Montaner
Norayda Montaner
They are at peace.
(Taken from Philippine newspaper covering the accident)
Thank you. Peace to them. Comfort to those who loved them.
Rest In Peace. I wonder who the Australian was
@@jacksonconstable8331 John Richard Wood was.
@@lostvictims9769 it was a joke. I’m Australian and just thought it was slightly funny how much his name sticks out
I'm Filipino and I haven't heard about this accident. Some things to add in context:
- This was just shortly after the 1986 EDSA Revolution, where we ended almost 20 years of Marcos rule. The country was pretty unstable back then and just July of that year, President Corazon Aquino just survived her 4th coup attempt.
- The Cebu to Iligan route doesn't exist anymore today, airlines just fly to the newer and better airport at Cagayan de Oro and people just take land transportation to Iligan. That route makes sense thought since Cebu and Iligan are majority Cebuano, the country's second largest ethnolinguistic group
I have access to a local library that has an extensive Philippine print resource, including more newspapers dating back to that time. I could check it out soon.
Thanks for putting in extra work researching to bring a less known air disaster to light.
I just love your work, man. The fact that you can put together a video that has your same, usual quality and flow with such little source material, is an absolute testament to how good you really are at what you do. Please keep it up, we’re here for it!
Thank you for your kind words :)
@@DisasterBreakdown It is my absolute pleasure! Thank you for the great content!! ✈️
One of my flying instructors flew the Short 360 for Pacific Coastal Airlines and it was nicknamed "The Bus".
What a goofy name for a plane. I love it.
I didn’t realize PASCO had a short? I knew they flew the Grumman goose, Saab 340, Beechcraft 1900 and 1900d, and dehaviland beaver. That is cool.
They were actually nicknamed 'The Shed'. Most of our Pax loved it,
@@GRHDA Okay. The instructor, last name Hulme, who flew for Pasco... I think in 2005 because he upgraded to the Saab 340 then unless this was at another airline... said they nicknamed it The Bus.
But I can see why they called it The Shed.
Airbus
Back around 1980, I worked with the Shorts SD-330, which was an earlier twin-tailed version. One of the things I recall about both the 330/360 was that the wings were such that they didn't contain any fuel tanks, as is common with most larger airliners. Where was the fuel? In fuselage tanks that were above the passenger cabin. Given the law of gravity, I was always wondering how well the design might hold up in the event of a gear-up landing or other accident, and the resultant possibility of a post-accident fire in the cabin.
Just one correction [ 1:39 ] : the Shorts Skyvan, 330, 360 and Sherpa were built in Belfast, NORTHERN Ireland. Not the Republic of Ireland which is a separate country. Belfast currently is part of the United Kingdom and as such it would be more accurate to say that it was British-built.
Yeah, but someone was going to throw their toys out of the pram if she said only one of the two. Such is the way of things regards NI.
please do not start a war.
It certainly was British 🇬🇧 built, but the EI registration indicates that the owner was Irish. Aircraft leasing is a big industry in the Republic of Ireland. 🇮🇪
Just to throw a spanner in the works- the aircraft in question was neither 'British' or Irish. This aircraft was indeed Northern Irish.😊
just putting together a script for this video must've been a task and a half! let alone editing, B-Roll, animations, and so on.
great job, Chloe!
keep it up 👌🏻
I used to fly the Shorts SD3-60. All the time I had to tell people that "I had a flight attendant in my shorts", and to ATC I sometimes had to say that we couldn't expedite our climb because "We are packing a load in our shorts today".....
May the Shorts be with you!
I was a passenger on a Shorts 360 on a commercial flight from KSPI "back in the day". It is - by far - the most uncomfortable plane I have ever been on. RIP to all involved in this tragedy.
I’ve flown several times in the Short 360 many years ago and, as another has commented on here, they were damned uncomfortable. It was like flying in a holiday caravan. So unpopular with passengers they used to hide the things ‘around the back’ of Cardiff Airport where they couldn’t be seen from the departures terminal. I’ve heard many a groan from fellow passengers when their aircraft was revealed on the walk from the terminal across the apron! However, excellent video covering a little known disaster and, to give it its due, unlikely that the aircraft itself contributed to the crash. Great product from Belfast. Home of the Titanic 😀
Videos on lesser known crashes are wonderful, they in a way keep the memory of those lost alive. Gone but never forgotten
I really like them too.
I’m new to this channel but seriously impressed by the level of research carried out and the quality of the commentary and production of each video. Fascinating insight and understanding far superior to most channels covering similar disasters 👏👏👏
What sort of vile person loots from such a horrific event? Beyond disrespectful.
I've flown on this aircraft type in the early '90s. So non-aerodynamic, like a caravan with wings! Great video report with the limited information available.
Its amazing that you can still make a full video with such little information. You have skill!
Their is also a Philippine Airlines Hawker Siddeley HS-748 crash in Bagiuo (1987), but informations are limited too.
In fact, some Philippine air crashes cases have limited information, like the 1970 Philippine Airlines Hawker Siddeley HS-748 bombing. Some only publicized their preliminary investigations, some are undetermined, and some are lacking.
But asides from those cases, may all the souls on board those flights may rest in peace.
Interesting video 📹. I had heard of this before from a Filipino friend that I talk about air crashes with. She said it was in the news it happened, but mainly in the newspapers, so where you found your information makes sense. I will have to forward this to her. Thank you!
Amazing video as usual. Really enjoying these lesser known plane crashes. Congrats - you're almost at 100k, and that is very well deserved!
Thanks, I'd love to hit 100k sometimes this year. Sounds so unbelievable sometimes but thanks so much for watching!
@@DisasterBreakdown i will personally become a pilot if you don't reach 100k at 31 december
I remember the first time I saw a Shorts360.
It was “what the hell is that!” Looks like a train car supported by two flimsy linguine noodles!
But, first time stepping inside and I was hooked! Very roomy indeed!
Its got headroom like no other prop! I always remember seeing them at my local airport when I was young.
If this ugly thing can fly, it suggests that aerodynamics has nothing ot do with aviation ... (as we are on Internet, I must clarify that I'm kidding)
Thank you for putting forgotten accidents like this to light again! Extremely well done too, considering the lack of information.
Whenever I read about air crashes that have almost no info (that I can find online, at least), it makes me even more sad for the victims involved in them. To not only die in such a terrifying way, but to also be forgotten by the vast majority of the world, with barely any traces left that you even existed as far as the wider public is concerned? Just one more tragic thing about an already tragic disaster.
So again; thank you for letting us know about this crash. Even if we might never know how or what exactly happened, just reminding people that it happened is a step in the right direction.
May the crew and passengers rest in peace...
I am from the Philippines but I haven't heard about this disaster. Thank you so much!
Same
No problem. Thanks for watching!
Well if u were born after 2000 u probably havent heard the major accidents that PAL & Cebu Pacific had bc there wasnt any major accidents that occured here other than some runway overruns since
Nakalimutan kasi sa susunod na linggo nangyari yung Doña Paz
It is good to talk about silent tragedies!
Videos like these that do not go for the mainstream is what i like. Keeping the memories of the lives lost. Nice video and research chloe
I'd love to see you do a video on the crash that happened due to a passenger smuggling a crocodile that got free. All I remember was it was in Africa, with a British pilot, and one person survived.
If anyone’s interested she has now, it’s the 2010 Filair Let L-410 crash.
Yes you right
It always drives me nuts when I look into an accident and I get minimal information because nobody can be bothered to write it down on the internet.
Glad you at least tried to scoop up what you could on this one!
The 'Flying Shoebox' as they were dubbed during their time flying here, a bit wobbly and choppy in anything short of ideal weather conditions to fly in, but still and on decent workhorses.
I can't get enough of these. Absolutely brilliant.
You should do a Learjet 35A owned by Upali Air carrying its owner, Upali Wijewardene which disappeared from Sri Lanka.
Appreciate the videos on the less known aircraft incidents. Nobody seems to be doing videos on them. I actually like them the better. And I'm going to suggest because it's accidents everywhere want you to do.
I flew in one of these aircraft in 19597, from Copenhagen to Christiansted, Sweden. It was a comfortable flight - even a complementary beer. The name of the company was MUK-AIR. I don’t know whether they still exist.
You might want to correct the year. To many numbers. Easy to do. I've done it myself
My girlfriend is from the Philippines. She says there is a Municipality called Manai in the general area of the plane crash. It's likely that the mountain is in that Municipality, so it could be said it crashed into a mountain in Manai. (It seems Manai is not a mountain, but the name of the area where the mountain is located)
Would fly on C-23 Sherpas while I was stationed in England 1985-1988. These C-23's were based out of Zweibrucken Air Base Germany. C-23's were military cargo version of the Shorts aircraft. Perhaps you can do a feature on the C-23 that crashed March 3rd 2001 over Georgia.
Dec 1987 is hell for the Phl. This was also the month the Dona Paz was sunk.
Nice Video BRO I appreciate it but pls do a Video about the second deadliest crash in the Philippines,
Cebu Pacific Flight 387 crash in MT sumagaya approaching Cagayan de Oro Airport in Northern Mindanao.
I served in the Air Force for a number of years, and was the resident "airplane nut" in the medical group.
One day the eye doctor stops me in the hall and says "I saw a weird plane today and I'm betting you're the only one here who can tell me what it is. It's white and looks like a dumpster with wings!"
My reply, "Interesting - I'll actually have to look that one up. But at least I know what you're talking about - It flies over my house almost every morning."
Turned out there were Shorts Sherpas and CASA CN-295s on an auxiliary airfield used by special operations groups for training (and I would imagine missions). My house was below the path they took from the airfield to the training areas, and occasionally they would land at the main airfield used by the large transport planes (C-17s, C-130s).
These "flying dumpster" planes are very useful for rough field operations, and small unit parachute drops.
I think the worst information-situation I ever encountered for my blog was either a fire in an easter european metro-system which just had....little info and less facts, or a train crash in China where the government tried very hard to make things un-happen.
Yippie, a new disaster breakdown, love all your videos ❤️ U are super awesome!! 😎 Much love from Bangkok, Thailand!! 🙏🇹🇭🥰
Love the videos about these much lesser known accidents. Keep it up!
I find them to be fascinating, I have more video ideas like this in mind.
@@DisasterBreakdown there is another Philippine Airlines accident that you could do, it happened back in 1960 where a DC-3 crashed on the slopes of Mount Baco.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_S26
Man, it must suck to not find enough info online. While your channel is still small, you probably already have subscribers from all around the world tho. When such occasions happen, some UA-camrs turn to subscribers for more info. Yes, they may not count as official or 100% stories, but can at least give you a general idea of what happened, and mostly because there could be philipino websites that we simply don’t know about that may have more info. And example of this: in China, while some users use UA-cam, there’s a huge number of people that also uses a site called “Billi Billi” to upload videos. If there was a Chinese airplane tragedy for example, there could be more info there.
Hope what I’m saying doesn’t sound rude tho, it’s just a small comment, or like a suggestion! I love your vids!
it's interesting to me that all the channels i've come across, which deal with this topic, are excellent. maybe that's because there is so little room for speculation and/or opinion; we just get the facts. Anyway, another top job. thanks
This video reminds me of another plane crash - Royal Brunei Airlines Flight 238, which Wikipedia’s article also contains few informations about it.
The accident aircraft was registered as "EI-BTJ"
Great video which brought back many memories for me, as I flew the SD-360-300 for almost a decade in the 1990s. We used to call it the shed! Happy days.
Oh, a crash in my country and I dont know about it. Thank you for this.
Great video Chloe!!!!! I Look forward to your videos every week!!! Thank you for all of your hard work and effort you put into each and every video and I can’t wait for the next Rail Disaster 😎 ps (have always had a big fear of flying, this channel has helped me tremendously to overcome that fear, thank you!!!)
First off, you did an amazing job with the limited publicly available info for this accident.
Secondly, I believe the reason for this would be caused by 2 factors: The first being that PAL (Philippine Airlines) is owned by one of the richest families in the Philippines. They have used that influence to minimize all bad press that the airline had in the 80-early 2000's.
The second being the accident happened during the presidency of Ferdinand Marcos Sr. Who also limited the bad press the country got, this was done to keep people visiting the country and not being scared to use PAL.
I am actually in aviation in the Philippines and had never heard one word about this other than the fact it happened. Beyond that there is very very little info out there.
The reason for the 3 pilots is that PAL and many Airlines use this method to train up pilots new to the type. So one is a Captain training the other Captain, or a Captain checking to see if the First officer is ready to be made a Captain on that type of aircraft.
Philippines has a very strange system of pilot licensing not seen in first world countries. Instead of being rated in SEL, MEL etc you need to do ratings for every type of aircraft flown.
It is sad to see that some of the accidents never got the final report and what and why it happened. I have become so used to getting all the information which there usuamly is a lot of that it was jarribg to hear we dont even know the exact locatio where these 15 people lost their lives. I hope they all were identified and had their remains returned to the families!
Excellent video as usual, I really love gow you can make out a story from such little information and have it still be interesting and easily understood.
Thanks for this I’m from Philippines I’m your subscribers since 2020 🙌🏼
Philippine Airlines itself has an excellent safety record. It's rated 7/7. I've flown with them 3 times from Vancouver to Cebu via Manila.
A Plane Crash forgoten to time, even in Southern Philippines is known to be forgoten :3
December 13...almost Christmas and this must be the saddest Christmas season for all of them
there is a similar accident in 1998, Cebu Pacific Flight 387. Crashed in the mountainous fog but comes with very interesting details. there's a monument existing in today's present times to remember everyone who perished
also, there are details in that accident that may be related to why this 1987 plane crashed
Can u make a video on Indian airlines 440 which ran out of fuel and made a successful forced landing pleassssse !!!!!!!!!!!!
I've never seen that plane before, it looks cool.
Can you do Cebu Pacific Flight 387??
Its on my list. I think its one of the most high profile cases in the Philippines right?
@@DisasterBreakdown It is and it's now ranked 2nd place for the deadliest plane crash in the Philippines after its record was broken by Air Philippines 541
I wouldn't be surprised if Mount Munay was an alternative name for Mount Gurain. Cartography can be messy, especially if the cartographer is not local to the region, as is common in colonised regions. Different local cultures may have different names for the same landmark, different cartographers may interpret spoken names differently (either through hearing or through different forms of Latinisation), and the cartographer may give the landmark an additional name in line with their own cultural background (for example, Mount Sagarmatha, Qomolangma, or Everest depending on who you're talking to.)
I wonder if part of the reason why this disaster has been forgotten is the events of the following day in the Philippines - I can imagine that the deaths of 15 in a plane crash would have quickly paled into insignificance when compared with the deaths of over 4000 in the sinking of the Dona Paz.
I researched into Philippines' plane crashes including this crash, besides i already know about Air Philippines 541 and Cebu Pacific 387. Speaking of Flight 387, can you make a video of it as well like this?
do you have any references or maybe even the final report? i've been trying to find the final report of the crash for years but the philippines authorities seemed to be reluctant on publishing it.. no much information the crashes either, it literally irked me
Cebu Pacific is a terrible airline. Every time I am in Phil I dread my flight with them.
@@chootanf i tried finding the final report or the CVR video but there are none
@@bretthewitt3890 yeah they cause delays like that one time my Hong Kong flight got delayed because of heavy rain
@@koltp1909 for safety purpose
Always watch on Debue loving the recent content
Good job with making something watchable out of not much to go on. Lesser known places and planes, but the average high-income nation citizen doesn't realize how much aviation there is outside commercial airlines with big jets or the military in the news or at an airshow.
Awesome video Chloe 😍
This crash happened a week before Doña Paz collided with MT Vector, weird to think 'bout that.
I worked for West Air airlines in Chico California. We had the short brothers 330 and 360. Not very comfortable
Very odd not knowing where it crashed, finding it eventually in a remote forested area, and it was looted before rescuers got there? Was there no investigation by Short, or aviation authorities? Well put together, thank you.
I have to agree with the comments about this plane being very uncomfortable... I flew one from Nanaimo to Vancouver once in bad weather and I would state that this was the worst flight I ever took - for one thing it was bitingly cold for the whole trip.
I enjoy your videos. Excellent work!
when i first saw that this video existed, i went to look at the wikipedia page and i was shocked at how short it was. so i was curious how you were gonna make this a full video and, its great
Thank you for posting this video about a little-known disaster.
Wish you'd talk about the controversial Saudia Airlines Flight 163 accident.
It's definitely gonna be a hot video
Bravo for this!
9:24 there was a picture of the crash site and it's obviously at the side of a mountain. It was posted in the Philippine Inquirer front page. Rode this type from Cebu to Tagbilaran Bohol and vice versa. It's not the smoothest but it's ok.
looting the pockets/luggage of the dead while still warm...that must be THE unique feature of this crash; at least i hope it is.
Looting the crash site is one of the more infuriating details included in a number of crash reports and subsequent videos. Can't remember offhand the flight details but a South American crash (IIRC Bolivian plane crashes in Venezuela while on the way to Brazil) and the USAF C-5 in Vietnam during "Operation Babylift" have been covered, both investigations were made considerably harder by needed evidence getting legs.
PAL was absolutely UNSAFE in the olden days, I'm not surprised it got featured *three times* in this channel already...
I can never Understand why Pilots do not make their Lowest Flying Altitude higher than that of the Highest Mountain in the Area, most, if not all of these Controlled Fight Into Terrain, (CFIT) are easily Avoidible.
great video, as always!
Thanks again!
The Philippines was at that time a country with high levels of inequality - great poverty (for many), contrasted with great wealth (for a few). There was not a culture of public spending (no publicly owned health care service, for example) and this lack of public spending would have been reflected in both the airports and the airlines. When you have a culture of austerity then even essentials such as a ground proximity warning system would have been seen as an 'unnecessary' expense. This is in stark contrast to,say Nordic countries, where health care, along with safety, were and are seen as being of paramount importance.
Perhaps the lack of information after the crash was a deliberate policy, in order that the airline could avoid public scrutiny, for fear of what would in all probablity have been revealed as a lack of safety equipment and procedures.
Two Captains plus an FO sounds like a Check Ride, no? I've flown on Short 360's several times. It always amazes me what a safe record it has. Because just walking out onto the tarmac to board one it looks scary as hell. You feel like someone said "we need a flying bus" and the designers took them literally, and just bolted wings on a bus. They are not the most comfortable planes. Load enough that you can feel it in your teeth.
purely speculative suggestion: crash occuring shortly after routine communication likely implies navigation error.
That does sound plausible but as you say, speculative.
I enjoy your videos always ... well done. 2 questions in respect of the plane in this video :
1. What is done to maintain equilibrium in a plane that has an odd number of seats either side of the aisle?
2. I understand that the capacity of this plane is relatively small. The wings, however, are so skinny. How is the required amount of lift generated from such a small surface area?
Usually there is no consequence from having weight asymmetry (within reason) close to the centerline of the plane, and if necessary you can dial in some aileron and/or rudder trim to compensate. As for #2, the long thin wings are very efficient at generating lift at low speeds, plus it has almost full span flaps.
Thank you Carlos. My name is Carl too! Love the productions. Keep it up sir!
Great effort on the info you had
Thanks!
400 push-pull tubes, a strut braced wing, and all the fuel is in the ceiling of the cabin. AND....You can fly the Shorts with the windows open, I'm not kidding!
-Fly it through rain and the first officer gets a shower......
Can you make a video about Surinam Airways Flight 764?
Hi! Can you feature Laoag International Airlines Flight 585? It happened in the philippines as well
the circumanctences of this accident are similar a little bit to the crash of Trigana air 267
Its crazy how the day after this was uploaded a plane went missing
Which plane?
Morning Chigg . Would they have had a Generator at the home site ?, Finding an electric light globe had me wondering .
Its absolutely tragic that almost no information is available about this accident, surely the vctims deserve more than 5 sentences in aviation history.....
Built at Shorts Belfast Northern Ireland uk British, not" Irish". RIP souls lost. Thank you for this.
It's ok If it’s not completed if you intend it and spend time on it it's the best
CFIT accidents like this were sadly not that uncommon often due to simple and subtle human errors. I used ti joke that the three easiest things to screw up are a souffle, a marriage and an instrument approach.
Anyone else prefer disaster breakdown over disaster averted?
It should have been named the Shorts Bumble Bee, seeing as how neither have wings that should allow flight.
Good video, made something about an accident is not fully known. There’s a page on another Philippine Airlines accident that happened in 1960, named PR S26 (PI-C133) that crashed into the slopes of Mount Baco.
Can you try making a video on that? Thanks 😄
Edit: The plane was a DC-3. More info here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_S26
Probably didn't keep the tail up. DC 3 are notorious for pilots not keeping tails up when landing and takeoffs.
@@wyomingadventures the plane crashed due to poor weather conditions, a crosswind and a possible navigational malfunction
I love your videos! I was wondering if you could perhaps do a video of the Winkton air crash, a BOAC test flight. Here's info about it on Wikipedia:
1958 BOAC Bristol Britannia crash
G-AOVD was a Bristol Britannia 312 operated by BOAC which crashed near Christchurch, Dorset, in the south of England on Christmas Eve 1958, killing two of the five crew and all seven passengers
Cloud at 4,000 feet, mountains south west of airport up to 5,000 feet, no terrain detector, no landing assist, maybe no ground radar. Why not stay below 4,000 feet from the coast inwards to maintain a view of ground and airport, then a simple left hand 1/4 turn in to the approach.
Why fly past the airport towards mountains in cloud, for a right hand 3/4 turn back in.
Where do you get such niche planes
I think they probably got lost in low clouds. Sounds like there was a real possibility of lacking instruments to help with that issue. 😢
*sob
thanks for doing my country man TvT