You must have great patience. Those kind of classes are so dry and progress soooooooo slowly. Just watching a sales person teach a costumer email is mind blowingly frustrating.
Did you not learn any programming back then? I was at school in the mid to late 90's so I learned Microsoft office lol Word, Excel and Access. Lame af. It was more like learning office admin tbh. But before that people used to learn to program on BBC Micro's. I was so jealous that just as I got at the right age they switched from learning programming to learning MS Office.
@@rooneye I did learn BASIC back in high school in the mid 80s. When I got off my butt and when back to school at the start of the 90s, that is when I learned the other "office" type of programs.
FoxPRO DOES have SQL available as language option. But LATER Microsoft found that it was way too powerful and all FoxPRO users DID NOT BUY or need their cash cow SQL Server, and so then they sidelined it.
I wasn't quite deep enough into desktop databases when these programs were big-time, but even without too much familiarity you could see that FoxPro just walked all over these other ones when it came to speed and user-friendly interface. By the time I really started playing with FoxPro and a couple others, Microsoft was snapping it up and preparing to sideline it because they were getting ready to push Access.
I missed employment opportunities that may have led me to gain exposure to the microcomputer. After numerous rejections of employment opportunities, I missed working intensely with programs that ran under DOS. Now I am working under Microsoft Windows since 2002 when I bought my own computer, color laser printer and scanner. The database program, Microsoft Access is my favorite program to use, above Microsoft Word, that was my springboard. Since 2002, I am mastering some techniques in using Access 2019 that I would not possibly learn in a job.
I have a couple of personal projects that still use dbase files with Alpha4 version 7 - the MS-DOS version. I run them on Win-XP as a virtual machine. They work perfect and do exactly what I want and I have not felt so inclined to move them to anything newer.
Ugh, we had to learn dBase at school... A horrid experience. At home we used Superbase on Amiga all the way up to the Windows version when we changed all over to W3.1. Superbase was way cushier to use (very intuitive Wyiswyg), extremely powerful and easily on par with dBase; the latter was really nightmarish with constant niggles from a user point of view.
The UI in that Panorama demo is weird, it has the titlebar style you get when a Mac’s in B&W mode but the scrollbars are the color kind. I noticed they have icons in the title (similar to how proxies look in OSX), makes me wonder if 4th Dimension custom handles titlebars but not scrolling.
8:00 EXACTLY and ABSOLUTELY are most favorite word of every burocrat manager, every single show, it hurts my ears exactly! eaxctly! Maybe not in this show, was used just once, maybe its just me, but i noticed usage of exactly and absolutely instead of yes not hearing that often unless i watch Computer Chronicles.
I don't think it is either but it does look 50 years ago in terms of what people looked like. but the gap itself '92 to where we are now don't seem that much
flat file vs. relational databases:
1:22 dBase IV
2:42 4th Dimension (Macintosh)
5:45 Provue - Panorama 2 (Macintosh)
8:55 Claris - FileMaker Pro (Macintosh)
13:11Ace Software - AceFile (Windows)
16:30 Borland - Paradox (Windows)
20:06 Fox Software - FoxPro (Windows)
dbXL by WordTech Systems was my favorite ! :-)
I went to school to learn dBase IV and Lotus 123 and WordPerfect 5.1. This was almost 30 years ago...DAMN!
I ordered books a week ago to learn them today ... for a computer software history article i want to write.
You must have great patience.
Those kind of classes are so dry and progress soooooooo slowly.
Just watching a sales person teach a costumer email is mind blowingly frustrating.
@@firstlast9198 No not at all. Back then this was new and exciting stuff. Just being on a PC was a new experience.
Did you not learn any programming back then? I was at school in the mid to late 90's so I learned Microsoft office lol Word, Excel and Access. Lame af. It was more like learning office admin tbh. But before that people used to learn to program on BBC Micro's. I was so jealous that just as I got at the right age they switched from learning programming to learning MS Office.
@@rooneye I did learn BASIC back in high school in the mid 80s. When I got off my butt and when back to school at the start of the 90s, that is when I learned the other "office" type of programs.
30 years past, and good old SQL is still king. All those graphical tools never took off.
SQL will always work with any application since you can execute scripts to it or even use a graphical interface on it
Microsoft Access certainly took off. You probably wouldn't believe it's still used to this day.
FoxPRO DOES have SQL available as language option. But LATER Microsoft found that it was way too powerful and all FoxPRO users DID NOT BUY or need their cash cow SQL Server, and so then they sidelined it.
Lotus APPROACH was King of Database when it launched...It won MANY Awards..
Amazing that Panorama is still alive with it's original company and kicking arse.
Looks like Filemaker is as well.
I wasn't quite deep enough into desktop databases when these programs were big-time, but even without too much familiarity you could see that FoxPro just walked all over these other ones when it came to speed and user-friendly interface. By the time I really started playing with FoxPro and a couple others, Microsoft was snapping it up and preparing to sideline it because they were getting ready to push Access.
I missed employment opportunities that may have led me to gain exposure to the microcomputer. After numerous rejections of employment opportunities, I missed working intensely with programs that ran under DOS. Now I am working under Microsoft Windows since 2002 when I bought my own computer, color laser printer and scanner. The database program, Microsoft Access is my favorite program to use, above Microsoft Word, that was my springboard. Since 2002, I am mastering some techniques in using Access 2019 that I would not possibly learn in a job.
Seeing plaintext passwords makes me nervous even when it's just a demonstration from almost 30 years go
that's a good thing
Not to mention Social Security Numbers!
I understand the need for using database software, it is just that I had not the need for using it back in the 1990s.
I have a couple of personal projects that still use dbase files with Alpha4 version 7 - the MS-DOS version. I run them on Win-XP as a virtual machine. They work perfect and do exactly what I want and I have not felt so inclined to move them to anything newer.
Boy, I miss Fox Pro for DOS!
Ugh, we had to learn dBase at school... A horrid experience. At home we used Superbase on Amiga all the way up to the Windows version when we changed all over to W3.1. Superbase was way cushier to use (very intuitive Wyiswyg), extremely powerful and easily on par with dBase; the latter was really nightmarish with constant niggles from a user point of view.
The UI in that Panorama demo is weird, it has the titlebar style you get when a Mac’s in B&W mode but the scrollbars are the color kind. I noticed they have icons in the title (similar to how proxies look in OSX), makes me wonder if 4th Dimension custom handles titlebars but not scrolling.
8:00 EXACTLY and ABSOLUTELY are most favorite word of every burocrat manager, every single show, it hurts my ears exactly! eaxctly! Maybe not in this show, was used just once, maybe its just me, but i noticed usage of exactly and absolutely instead of yes not hearing that often unless i watch Computer Chronicles.
I love USA!
Heh, programming drag and drop in the text interface must've took a lot of effort.
ACCESS is easy to use! (Microsoft Office)
Take a shot any time someone says the word "exactly"
Exactly!
1992 still doesn't seem that long ago to me :-)
I don't think it is either but it does look 50 years ago in terms of what people looked like. but the gap itself '92 to where we are now don't seem that much
Was that "Easy to use" and "FoxPro" in the same sentence?!
I'm Maria Gab...
riel
*DON VON ROTZ*
*DVR CONSULTING*
They had DVRs back in 1992?!
Toe monster ... a little morbid there.
Did you see the trail of blood it left behind when it crawled into her little bros bed? Yikes! 😮
...and incidently where Teslas are built...
Wow they had AI then
Compared to the rest those DOS databases looked so shit lol
1992, gw masih main yoyo sama kelereng, lol
Bim Bims wah ada orang indo disinj
Lol @ dos.