Smart move on the FelPro gaskets. For the readers, DO NOT use the Edelbrock gaskets. I installed my Pro Flo4 on my Bronco using the Edelbrock ones.... later that night a bunch of guys on the forums told me they leak and are garbage. 2 Failed O2 sensors later, i pulled it back off and used the FelPro's. No more leaking coolant into the exhaust ports. The Edelbrock gaskets split and leak almost immediately.
I install the FITECH go street 400 on a 75 Bronco with a 351M making 300hp, I had all the same heating issues and controller fail and ecm fail which had to be sent back to FITECH. I solved the heat issue by venting the hood with a scoop. It lowered the engine bay temp by 35%. FITECH customer service was just horrible to deal with. I installed the same unit on a 44 GMC with a 350, same thing, hand held controller failed. In my restoration shop, I will be trying the Edelbrock and the FAST EFI systems before I waste anymore time and money with FITECH. Thanks
I know this video is a few years old BUT I think edelbrock is hands down worth the money. With that unit, you get individual injectors for each cylinder which is also probably a little better on fuel. I personally like the individual injectors which is why I’m interested in looking to buy it. I’m actually looking to replace all of my 1991 suburban TBI with the edelbrock pro flow.
I went with Holley Sniper TBI. The handheld unit is ok but I primarily turn with my laptop. I've been super impressed by the power and drivability compared to a Holley 650 vacuum secondary carb. I'm an Edelbrock guy but I wasn't ready to go full multi-port yet. All I did was pop off the carb and slap on the throttle body. Next on my list is an entry level vortech centrifugal supercharger. That should put me at the limit of my 650hp Sniper unit.
Back in my work days, the company I was with expanded into the US market. Our product was more exy than our competitors. But we answered the phone. I was amazed at how many of our customers had horror stories about being hung out to dry by previous suppliers after they bought the product. It's made me really cautious about buying stuff from US businesses. So it's really great to hear about your experiences with Edelbrock.
Great video. One thing though - comparing TBI (whether it's FiTech or Holley) to port injection isn't a straight comparison. Yes, the Pro-Flo is more $$$ but it's an entirely different system from the FiTech and will perform much, much better. An EFI kit that includes an intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, rails and distributor that does sequential port injection is worth more than just a 4 bbl TBI system. The additional cost is easily justified by the additional driveability and performance you will get with real port injection. The real comparison is to compare Pro-Flo to any other sequential port injection kits. Pro-Flo is sub-$2000. All others are ~$3000. That's a $1000 difference!!
Thanks for the video. I watched a few of your videos in August 2017 when I was installing my go Street 400 on my 66 Mercury Comet with a 289. I went from a two barrel single exhaust to a 4-barrel with dual exhaust to the fitech with a big radiator and electric cooling fan in about a six-month time frame. The biggest power booster was the fitech. I went from 10 MPG with the two barrel to 13 MPG with four-barrel and dual exhaust to 16 MPG with the fitech. I have been leaning it out over the last two weeks trying to improve my gas mileage. Today with the AFR at 16 to 1 for 3000 rpm cruise, I was at 16.5 MPG. My goal for the car is 20 MPG when I install an overdrive, so I think I'm on my way. It seems to pull the same MPG with or without the air conditioning on. I just set the 3000 RPM CRUISE AFR to 16.5:1 today - we'll see if it makes a difference. I'll drive this configuration until It breaks, and then its a three to four hundred horsepower crate motor and multi-port. Keep it up. I enjoy the videos.
I have the Fitech Go 600 in Australia, and agree with everything you said. Ive been lucky "so far" and had no issues at all. I have Holley Fuel pressure reg, and Aeromotive intank pump and not using Fitech for timing or fans. The less the ECU has to control, the better in my opinion. MultiPort injection is way better (edelbrock) than the Fitech is. If i ever have problems with Fitech I will look at a standalone system, as Edelbrock dont make a kit for Cleveland V8 as yet. The ECU does need alot of air to keep it cool, particularly in summer. I have installed a hood vent to try and add more air into the engine bay.
I HAD the FiTech 600 hp street unit ! The Holley Sniper EFI is a WAAAAAY better unit ! (FAR LESS GLITCHES) Holley really did there homework with the software ! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!!
I'm thinking of EFI for a 4.6 single cam modular motor. Motor is for gas roots racing so will not drive bbn on the street. ? Edelbrock or Holley? Your thoughts
Not that Edelbrock is bad or anything, but Holley has power adders, whether Sniper, HP, Dominator, etc. The direct connection between handheld & ECU, so there is no wifi or connection issues, etc. No need to upgrade tabets, especially when they are continued to be used in mounting them inside the vehicle for monitoring purposes, or future adjustments. However the tablets are larger & somewhat better graphics.
Now that you have the FiTech off and no longer rely on it for your Bronco, you easily send it back to them. At this point, this would probably benefit them more than you. It may help them work out some of their issues. Regarding cost: I also take into consideration the withdrawal something takes out of the bank of frustration. $200 dollars difference is a small cost for the sake of one's sanity. Thanks for the video.
First things first...love your videos! Second...thanks for your honest opinion of the two products, even though I feel it is not an apples to apples comparison. Third...I’m running the FiTech 400 HP with command center. I purchased it two years ago and installed it two weeks ago on my 1969 Ford F100 with 1971 351w. My handheld controller stopped working yesterday. It doesn’t work when plugged into the ECU or laptop...just black screen. I was able to complete my engine break in before the handheld stopped working. I’ve sent FiTech a message for tech support help and going to reach out to Summit (where I purchased it) and see if they are able to assist.
The first time I watched your videos I thought you were a goober,but I was wrong your doing a pretty good job,,I have 5 old broncos,one is a 77 sport 1/2 cab I've had since 1979, there's nothing on the road today as cool as an old bronco,
My Pro Flo 4 works great after it's all warmed up, even in the summer. It must be warmed up for at least a minute before I'm allowed to put it in reverse. Even then, I have a 50/50 chance of stalling. Edelbrock told my installer they would have a firmware update in a month or two that would fix this problem. That was 8 months ago and nothing. Just get a Sniper. My neighbor loves his. Meanwhile, mine is like a box of chocolates...
Thanks for the info…. Hoping to get the Edelbrock Dominator. Also… do yourself a favor and buy yourself a couple pairs of “Flush Cuts” for snipping off wire ties so you don’t slice your arms open when working on your Bronco. These are what I have used from Amazon for years… they are inexpensive and work great. Hakko-CHP-170 Micro Cutter - Red
I am currently struggling with my Fitech after a year of dealing with it. After the first complete failure of the fuel command centre, to a complete reinstall including an in-tank pump and tank (provided my Fitech at cost due to the acknowledgement of the failed fuel command centre) it has been a challenge. Fortunately, this has been carried out by the shop who built and recommended the Fitech to me. After a few small glitches (a failed lifter and an intake leak) my truck is now running...but just running enough to take the truck for a drive (one hour round trip which, by the end it begins to lose performance enough to notice, perhaps due to ecu overheating due to location under the hood). The truck should boil the tires off the line but instead stutters until about 2500rpm before it smooths out. I have made some changes as per advice from others in the same boat with a little improvement, but still the issues remain (WOT from stop resulting in stuttering or sometimes die-out, engine going limp while coasting and other small glitches). Add to this the first handheld failing (screen kept sliding and altering settings on its own) and the second handheld felt like the toggle button broke the first time I used it and now doesn't feel quite right (but still works for now) and my confidence is slipping. I will say that, contrary to others who have shared their experience, that my support has been decent, but I had to reach higher up the chain to receive help (and got it). Unfortunately I am at the point where my confidence is considerably deteriorated and I am considering having the shop remove the system and go an alternate route (carb or Holley sniper) but I am hesitant to go efi again after this experience. :(
Thanks for the vid. It's really informative. The only criticism I would offer is that you compare the power of the units, yet you did a cam swap and didn't have the ability to retune the FITech. The Edelbrock was installed and tuned on the new cam.
etheir way you look at it the edlebrock is still gonna be better. it has direct injection. with that much better distribution of the fuel your thottle response will be better cylinders wont burn unevenlly etc. I strongy dislike the holley sniper and the fi tech for the simple fact that their just like the tbi's gm introduced 33 years ago all they did was add 2 more barrels to it..
Makes me feel good about my decision to go edlebrock. Not like I'll be able to run it for another 6 to 8 months but I will have it on fresh 347 stroker. I enjoy your enthusiasm for the system on how well it help make it a hassle free driving exsperiance so far.
This is interesting to hear! It sounds like EdelBrock has really stepped their game up! I'm more than happy with the Sniper but if I had to change, I would definitely look into Edelbrock now.
So glad your channel popped up in my search for Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 info! I appreciate that your experience applies to any older classic ride, not just Broncos. I have a '70 C10 ( not a Chevy snob, I think Fords are bitchin" as well) and am starting down the same path with fuel injection. Already have a Boyd rear tank w/ internal FI pump installed and had debated on some of the other brands, like FI Tech for my SBC. The installation video and the follow up comparison have been excellent and have certainly cemented my decision to go with Edelbrock. Your video is refreshing, with the (sometimes ugly and pricey) problems out there for us all to see. No fluff, just practical help and advice. I wish you continued success on your project and your YT channel. Oh yeh, I subscribed too :-)
1) I've always enjoyed your videos and appreciate how you portray everything with humility, humor, and candor; 2) I'm on the same path, can't remember if I got fitech before of after you, but I'm considering post-Fitech options; 3) I don't think I have your patience with some of these negative comments. I guess some people have nothing better to do than to waste their time to take the time to tell you they think you're wasting their time. Kudos to you for sharing great videos for us bronco guys and for handling comments in poor taste with tact. Also, for those "just stick to carb" dudes, they might not realize that many of us bronco guys prefer EFI for off-road capability. Speaking from experience, having the motor and power components DIE in when you're on a steep incline/decline, off camber or in a precarious angle on the side of a cliff is not fun. If properly set up EFI has tremendous advantages over carb for avid off-roaders (which many bronco guys are).
I do not believe so. Since their system can run at multiple pressure values depending on your setup, they do not provide one. It seems like they should though. Edelbrock has a fuel pressure regulator that is adjustable and for the price of the kit, it should include one. Just of one many items that is missing and will add to the cost of the project.
I've got a 600HP Fitech Unit with a G-Surge that is essentially a paperweight. It's sitting on my shelf collecting dust. Worst purchase of my life. I'm not a "tuner," but I work with modern fuel injection on a daily basis, and I couldn't make the car lean out. The self tuning capabilites were non existent, and I had a hand held problem on the first day of using it. Screen wouldn't power up. Tech support acted like they hated their job and didn't want to be there, so once they sent me a new handheld, I didn't contact them again for help with how the car was running. I put some miles on it against my better judgement with it running so rich, and tuned on it a little, and was slowly making some minor progress, but it was too little, too late. My engine was still fresh, and inevitably I washed the rings down. Now I'm fixing to pull the engine and throw in another set of rings due to oil consumption.
I went with oldschool Ford eec-iv efi, been running great for a decade,and can be built with junkyard parts. it is limited compared to the new aftermarket stuff, but I can get parts for it anywhere. pros and cons
You forgot to mention that the Edelbrock pro flow 4 comes with a air gap intake, and ofcourse its a muit port injection system, also the available fuel slump pump reservoir system.
The fuel pump dying sounds like vapor lock. I was having the same issue when using edelbrock’s sump system. The engine would just die on me randomly. I’d pull off the pressure side output, let the vapor pressure escape, and it’d fire right back up. Yes it was vented properly per the directions. Swapped to the standard Airtex E8000 style pump and used a traditional return line since it needed one anyway with the sump, with the bolt on pro flo 4 regulator. Problem solved. No more vapor lock.
Only thing that I didn't see in here that would have been great for other viewers to understand is the differences between sequential fuel injection and TBI fuel injection
One thing for sure you were right about is that Fi Tech customer service is horrible! I spoke with a guy that sounded like he was eating the whole time I was on the phone with him! and unfortunately the 2nd time I called them I got the same Guy!
i have a 85 blazer that want to build a 383, yeah i know everyone says to put a ls in it. but don't want all the electronics and connection issues with transmission and all. So want to go old school and have everything connected. thank you for the videos on the fuel injection set ups
Back in the day I had a Mopar with lean burn, every summer that computer on the side of the air cleaner fried in the 110 Kansas heat. The Kansas Highway Patrol, ran the same set up but the lean burn computer was mounted on the kick panel. They never had problems Heat and ecu, fail, go figure LOL
I bought a fi-tec for a 390 ford. Nothing but junk in my opinion! When I called support they wanted me to test parts with tools only a auto mechanic would own. They are not for do it yourselfer's such as myself. After 8 months of try to get it to run, it now sits on a shelf in my shop. (running carb again) I'm willing to try the Edelbrock. Thanks for the Vid!
I have the FiTech 400hp on my 83 F100 302 with in tank fuel pump from FiTech 58psi. So far 3k miles on it with no issues. I don’t need the extra tune ability with the more expensive unit. I installed it after watching all your videos, thank you. The in tank fuel pump makes a world of difference. I will posting some videos on it soon. Please do more videos on the Pro Flow 4, I would like to install it on my Pontiac 455 7.5L
Great video!! I too have ran both systems and couldn't agree more with your comparison. Well except for the customer service. I have had horrible luck with both. They are equally useless in my experience. You did forget to mention one of the best differences in the user interface part though. The Edelbrock connects Bluetooth versus the ridiculous dual plug in on the Fitech handheld. It is SO nice not having to have anything plugged in if you want to run as a display and/or tune on the fly. Thanks for the great videos!!
Awesome vid.. alot of good info there. when i first saw your videos on fietech i got persuaded to buy it. it say brand new in box for over a year (it was for one of my many projects). when i finally got around to start working on it i came back to your channel to find out that you had many problems with fitech. at that point i posted it for sale. i figured im going to loose even more money if i install it and it dont work.. i ended up loosing about $300 on it. im glad edelbrock hooked you up with this. i will keep an eye out for a follow up vid 6 months down the road.
I take it that Edelbrock PF4 system knocked it out of the park for You ! You have used it for a while now are You still happy with it ? Great video and content Thank You for Your thoughts and feelings ! 🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
I have been watching all your videos and learning because i purchased the dual 1200hp Fitech setup and am trying to run them on my 6-71 blown 502 bbc....So far it has been an absolute NIGHTMARE...Piss Poor customer service,very difficult to navigate...I have basically resorted to taking it to a dyno shop and see if they can get it tuned properly...because of lack of customer service....GOD I HOPE I DIDN'T BLOW 2K....
So I take that I just need to stay with my vortec system on my daily driver k1500. Just really tired of constant 02 sensor problems and vats malfunction leaving me stranded.
I have the Fi-Tech on my 454 Chevelle. I just ordered the Edlebrock Pro-Flo a few days ago. My Fi-Tech 800 shorts out injectors so often I have resorted to keeping spare injectors and the tools I need to do a roadside repair in the glove box. It is not a hard repair, but the car stops with no warning. Last time I was on the I-80 freeway just outside Sacramento where people were driving like maniacs. Terrifying and awful. When the Fi-Tech is running, it runs good, it is superior to my old carb(s... went through a few of those), but it is not dependable. It turned my Chevelle into a 'Trailer Queen."
Thanks for the review. the information about the computer being internal to the throttlebody vs external is helpful. I am setting up a dual quad system for my Barracuda, and I see that FiTech and Edelbrock both have a dual quad setup, thing is, they are both around a thousand dollars more than a pair of AVS2 500 cfm carbs. I just don't see how I could justify going to this newfangled contraption...
The Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 uses a single plane manifold that shifts your torque up to a higher RPM. If this is what you want, then no problem. But if not stay with the dual-plane manifold and a throttle body EFI or carburetor. For some reason Edelbrock does not offer port fuel injection on a dual plane manifold. But you can drill eight holes in a dual plane manifold to make one. And yes, Edelbrock intake gaskets do leak. Ask me how I know. 😑 The best 302-351W intake gaskets I have found are from Price Motor Sports. They have never leaked in 7 years of use.
Great video, even if it’s 3 years old. Looking into the Edlebrock system for the past 2 weeks, with a Holly super sniper at home, it definitely seems like the winner.
Interesting video . But they are 2 completely different ways of doing EFI . So it hard to compare them to each other apart from just how they drive . The carb type EFI is good if can't get a intake type EFI for your engine
I agree with you that it’s two different ways of doing EFI, but a lot of people are looking at these two units and trying to decide which one to go with.
So, I have a 5.0 swapped ranger, has oem explorer EFI, and I was part of a group of v8 Ranger guys, many ran aftermarket efi on older carb 302's, of that group, almost none that used FITech had any luck. They had constant problems. And ended up selling their kit for super cheap.. could be the engine bay heat, and fuel delivery issues.. soo.. take my advice, use factory style efi, or not the fitech.. the holley, edelbrock, or higher end stuff that plugs into an sct/laptop tuner that works.. soo..
I can’t wait till my tax return. Im getting that edelbrock pro flow. You’re dead on with the edelbrock customer service. They have the best customer service. Also that ECU not being in the throttle body is a game changer. They really did their homework on this.
Last summer I had a local small shop put a FiTech on my 86 C20 with a crate 350 Vortec. It still doesn’t run when it’s cold. Get’s 11mpg, Been all over UA-cam trying all the fixes. Reset it several times. Their support is just none existent. I think I will just bite the bullit and go with an Edelbrock Avs2 650cfm carb. The FiTech will go in a box in the garage. I wouldn’t sell this thing to anyone else and put them thru this let alone have them throw their money away too.
I've watched a few of your videos and subscribed. One thing that I noticed you haven't addressed and need to, is the current going through your vehicle is regards to "True Voltage". I put a FiTech on my 69 Failane w/302 and one of the early problems was that it ran, at times. rough but also showed signs of smooth running. I got into computers early on and discovered one of the major problems with PCs was the power supply. A PC electrical system designed on 12 volts needs to have a true 12 volts in this digital age. With that thought, I ran voltage tests on my electrical system and was getting readings of 11.2 -11.4 volts. I had a NAPA stock alternator on the car which develops a 35 AMP charge. I replaced it with a 150 AMP charge alternator and a buttload of problems with the EFI disappeared immediately. This can very easily be your problems with the hand helds and the fuel pumps. So far I have had neither. I will also tell you that my 302 was a fresh build and the new cam compliments the EFI. The car is literally "new" or re-furbished completely. The only problem I am now having is that I am getting some minor back firing when I let off the pedal or stomp it. I'm either running wet or my mechanical advance is not working, is what I'm thinking. Outside of that my car runs great. I just started my 69 Mach 1 project and I am putting a 429 in it and strongly considering a fuel rail EFI system in it but that project is at least 12 months out from completion. "Film @ 11:00"!
Fitech is the worst out of ALL the tbi systems. Cheap chinese junk that breaks and doesnt stay tuned. I install efi systems for a living and I wouldnt put a fitech on a scooter.
So, I watched this when it was new and still have exactly the same question I had then. How reliable are these units over time. Everyone who installed one says it was worth doing but nobody has posted a 3-5 year follow up
I did not know about the FiTech computer issue. Good to know. Direct Port injection is a lot better as well. That would be why things are better on performance.
Pro m efi and be done with it. A little more but you pay for oem quality and the ability to change anything on the engine including adding a supercharger, and not have to re tune.
Ive just swapped out my 18 month old FiTech.. And fitted the Holley Sniper.. In 18 months with FiTech.. Ive had 7 weeks of no FiTech as it was broken out of the box and it took them 7 weeks to get me a replacement. Ive had 2 new injectors under warranty.. Replaced the FiTech pump as it was so noisy.. Had 2 handhelds.. And they are junk!! Had issues with the FiTech constantly. Despite messing with settings it would regularly cut out in traffic. I swapped it for a Sniper.. Changed nothing else.. And wow.. Its like a totally different truck.. I'm telling everyone.. Dont waste your money with the FiTech.. Its junk!
100% agree about FiTech customer service being shit. Called to walk through a problem with an install on a big block mopar and while I have no ballast resistor on the car he say it’s a mopar so it has one and that the problem. Then proceeded to argue with me saying it had to have one. No it doesn’t it’s bypassed as I’m using an external ignition box and removed it...
Let's make this super simple... DO NOT buy anything from Fitech... EVER!!! I challenge anyone to sell worse products or provide worse tech support... I don't think it's even possible. Sorry Fitech... you earned this black eye... now wear it🤚👍
I want to go a little sideways here. I am interested in buying something like an old F100 with either a 302 or 300 six. Since they are so close in cubic inches, I'm wondering which is a better engine. I don't know which has better power, but I have heard that the six is really thirsty. I'm guessing that an EFI system and electric ignition would be a good investment on either engine. This vehicle would be just a daily driver, not a racer or a heavy duty hauler. Another thought I had was which would be a better upgrade for the 200 six in something. like a Falcon, Fairlane, Fairmont or Maverick? Any comments would be helpful. Thank you.
great video man ! been watching all your videos to date, im still a qjet carb user for now and thinkin more & more to switch over. i had seen, read & heard many small issues with fitech and things that didnt suit me, but this very video has me nearly convinved that i should go Ebrock :) hey great work, keep the vids and comparisons coming. cheers
Hey man, just want to say thanks for the video. Good honest review, well formated and informative. Im just doing some preliminary research before getting elbow deep into my first full rebuild/restoration on a 72 f100 w/302 4spd. I will definitely be watching more of your videos to see what youve come across and done. Keep the awesome vids coming.
IDK about the edelbrock EFI set up but, the Fitech is a expensive paper weight. I had problems with it and I know know about 4 other guy's that had the same problems with it. Go with the Holley Sniper unit. Not much more and it a solid unit. I love it.
I see in your discription you had success with the fitech. Idk anyone who has ran it that has had success with that unit including myself. I had the power adder 600 unit. Actually just saw one on market place fella is selling because he is having issues as well.
Great series of videos on the Pro-Flo 4 - thanks. You discussed the size and say that the Edelbrock is 1" taller than the Fitech. In the comments I see you have a 1" body lift. I assume your engine is a 302. It appears that you don't have a problem with hood clearance. Are you running a stock air cleaner of a shorter one? Any ideal how the height compares to a stock setup? Any general comments about hood clearance that your viewers should be aware of? Thanks.
Fitech customer service is amazing. I have had nothing but hot soak problems with my 600 from day one. On hot days between 90 and 100 degrees I go into a store I come back out it will not start. I put ice on the front of the fitech where the computer is located it will start within 2 minutes. The other way to make sure it ran when I got out of the store is to open the hood before I go in so the heat can escape then of course it would start right up. I got so tired of that they replaced it twice. Finally they sent me one number three and they agreed to let me take the computer out of the throttle body on top of the engine and relocate the computer inside the car I mounted it on my air conditioner housing under the dash. It took a lot of spicing soldering and shrink wrap but I got it done. Now it starts and runs no matter how hot it gets under the hood. The other serious problem is the fuel pump the brushes wear out prematurely and the bearings start screaming in it and I replace fuel pumps almost monthly. The last fuel pump they sent me ran less than a week and it started sputtering yesterday one Me 1 mile from my home. The engine died in my driveway and I had to put a 4in chunk of ice on the fuel pump for 5 minutes it started right up I parked it in the garage and I will never use another fitech fuel pump again. I took my last fuel pump apart last week the brushes were shot and the veins that move the fuel we're out of shape the fuel filter was full of fuel pump shavings. I have not tried the fuel Command Center and probably won't.
THANK YOU for this video and your Install vid. I'm a Fitech user on the fence about going to the Flo Pro 4. That fact that you made that switch in your vids is invaluable to me. I'm running a modded Fitech Command Center for fuel, so I'm thinking I'm in good shape to run that to the Flo Pro 4 rail, since it's already capped at 58psi. I just need to invest in a fuel pump relay and get that wired up properly. Awesome job on these videos!!
Im late to game on this post but,i dont really think a port EFI and the Fitech Throttle body is a fair comparison,I do like the Edelbrock,although i have not found one yet they sell for a LS swap with NOS
Buy the Edelbrock, or the Holley, or the MSD, or anything else. Or you could park your car with the Fitech on it and make a bunch a phone calls to the crappy customer service. Spend another $500 or $600 on parts for them to tell you that you could send it back, but it's probably you're fault. Even though, you did every thing they asked you to over the coarse off the whole summer.
Isn't the edelbrock a port injection where the fitech is a throttle body injection? That is probably the reason the power feels better with the edelbrock over the fitech.
What spark plug wires did you run with the proflo4? Just got a unit ready to install on a 454 chevy, and the instructions say high EMI suppression spark plug wires are necessary, and not to use solid core wires. Why is that? Also, great video, and cheers from Norway ;) thanks
I made a video about the spark plug wires I used, check that one out. The reason is because a cheap wire can interfere with the electronic signals moving through the unit. So they want to make sure you have a good shielded spark plug wire that won’t “leak” the signal out of.
OK dude thanks for the video, I have lots of problems with my fitech, I am currently not getting any response from the ECU, I bought the retro 600 horsepower unit which has a separate ECU not built inside the throttle body.I just put it in a box and sent it back to them they are going to test it and probably send it back,,, I wouldn't mind if they just gave me my money backcurrently have it installed in a 1970 El Dorado with a 500 cubic inch motorfor many weeks now the unit will not start have tried lots of different things to correct the problem, I have to pour gas down the unit just to get it to start. so I can get home that sucks !
I have the same intake manifold, I believe it was based off the Shelby design. I plan on using it with a Holley Sniper setup. Does yours have “FB4” on it?
I can see why the Edelbrock would outperform the Fitech EFI. The Edelbrock is a true feel injection system where the Fitech is a glorified electron a carburetor.
Great job comparing the 2 efi systems...I really was rooting on the the Fitech system, for its cost and simplicity...ever since you bought it. Glad you figured most of the problems out with it....maybe after another year of R & D they will have a trouble free unit or a must have guidelines....WonderBar!!
John, Great Video. Always loved Edlebrock products and, yes, their customer service is great! I was wondering if you have a body lift on your bronco. I just bought a 69 wagon. Still has the stock 2bbl carb and air cleaner. The offset air cleaner looks very close to the underside of the hood. not sure I would have room for the Edlebrock without raising the body. Just wondering what you did if anything. By the way, my suspension and body mount location are all stock original.
Smart move on the FelPro gaskets. For the readers, DO NOT use the Edelbrock gaskets. I installed my Pro Flo4 on my Bronco using the Edelbrock ones.... later that night a bunch of guys on the forums told me they leak and are garbage. 2 Failed O2 sensors later, i pulled it back off and used the FelPro's. No more leaking coolant into the exhaust ports. The Edelbrock gaskets split and leak almost immediately.
Did you find an INCREASE in fuel Economy ?
I install the FITECH go street 400 on a 75 Bronco with a 351M making 300hp, I had all the same heating issues and controller fail and ecm fail which had to be sent back to FITECH. I solved the heat issue by venting the hood with a scoop. It lowered the engine bay temp by 35%.
FITECH customer service was just horrible to deal with. I installed the same unit on a 44 GMC with a 350, same thing, hand held controller failed. In my restoration shop, I will be trying the Edelbrock and the FAST EFI systems before I waste anymore time and money with FITECH. Thanks
FItechs are junk
Thanks for not letting the trolls and the haters deter you from making great videos!
Thanks man!
I know this video is a few years old BUT I think edelbrock is hands down worth the money. With that unit, you get individual injectors for each cylinder which is also probably a little better on fuel. I personally like the individual injectors which is why I’m interested in looking to buy it. I’m actually looking to replace all of my 1991 suburban TBI with the edelbrock pro flow.
Did you ever swap out to the Edelbrock pro flow on your 91 suburban I have a 90 model Chevy K2500 I would like to do that to?
I went with Holley Sniper TBI. The handheld unit is ok but I primarily turn with my laptop. I've been super impressed by the power and drivability compared to a Holley 650 vacuum secondary carb. I'm an Edelbrock guy but I wasn't ready to go full multi-port yet. All I did was pop off the carb and slap on the throttle body. Next on my list is an entry level vortech centrifugal supercharger. That should put me at the limit of my 650hp Sniper unit.
Back in my work days, the company I was with expanded into the US market. Our product was more exy than our competitors. But we answered the phone. I was amazed at how many of our customers had horror stories about being hung out to dry by previous suppliers after they bought the product. It's made me really cautious about buying stuff from US businesses. So it's really great to hear about your experiences with Edelbrock.
I'm surprised you didn't mention for the extra say 300 for the edelbrock, you now have port injection. That makes a huge difference also. Great vid.
this dude obviously doesnt understand jack shit about efi or engines in general.
Great video. One thing though - comparing TBI (whether it's FiTech or Holley) to port injection isn't a straight comparison. Yes, the Pro-Flo is more $$$ but it's an entirely different system from the FiTech and will perform much, much better. An EFI kit that includes an intake manifold, throttle body, injectors, rails and distributor that does sequential port injection is worth more than just a 4 bbl TBI system. The additional cost is easily justified by the additional driveability and performance you will get with real port injection. The real comparison is to compare Pro-Flo to any other sequential port injection kits. Pro-Flo is sub-$2000. All others are ~$3000. That's a $1000 difference!!
Thanks for the video. I watched a few of your videos in August 2017 when I was installing my go Street 400 on my 66 Mercury Comet with a 289. I went from a two barrel single exhaust to a 4-barrel with dual exhaust to the fitech with a big radiator and electric cooling fan in about a six-month time frame. The biggest power booster was the fitech. I went from 10 MPG with the two barrel to 13 MPG with four-barrel and dual exhaust to 16 MPG with the fitech. I have been leaning it out over the last two weeks trying to improve my gas mileage. Today with the AFR at 16 to 1 for 3000 rpm cruise, I was at 16.5 MPG. My goal for the car is 20 MPG when I install an overdrive, so I think I'm on my way. It seems to pull the same MPG with or without the air conditioning on. I just set the 3000 RPM CRUISE AFR to 16.5:1 today - we'll see if it makes a difference. I'll drive this configuration until It breaks, and then its a three to four hundred horsepower crate motor and multi-port. Keep it up. I enjoy the videos.
No accounting for 60 years of fuel management experience! Edelbrock all the way. Todd the retired trucker.
Also Pro 4 is sequential port injection vs throttle body injection. No comparison...
I have the Fitech Go 600 in Australia, and agree with everything you said. Ive been lucky "so far" and had no issues at all. I have Holley Fuel pressure reg, and Aeromotive intank pump and not using Fitech for timing or fans. The less the ECU has to control, the better in my opinion. MultiPort injection is way better (edelbrock) than the Fitech is. If i ever have problems with Fitech I will look at a standalone system, as Edelbrock dont make a kit for Cleveland V8 as yet. The ECU does need alot of air to keep it cool, particularly in summer. I have installed a hood vent to try and add more air into the engine bay.
Need to do a vid with the Holley sniper
I HAD the FiTech 600 hp street unit ! The Holley Sniper EFI is a WAAAAAY better unit ! (FAR LESS GLITCHES) Holley really did there homework with the software ! YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!!
I'm thinking of EFI for a 4.6 single cam modular motor. Motor is for gas roots racing so will not drive bbn on the street.
? Edelbrock or Holley? Your thoughts
Im looking at the sniper unit for my 460 in my 77 4x4.
Lietech is junk 💩💩💩
Holley Sniper is an excellent system. Honestly Holley over Edelbrock.
Not that Edelbrock is bad or anything, but Holley has power adders, whether Sniper, HP, Dominator, etc. The direct connection between handheld & ECU, so there is no wifi or connection issues, etc. No need to upgrade tabets, especially when they are continued to be used in mounting them inside the vehicle for monitoring purposes, or future adjustments. However the tablets are larger & somewhat better graphics.
Now that you have the FiTech off and no longer rely on it for your Bronco, you easily send it back to them. At this point, this would probably benefit them more than you. It may help them work out some of their issues. Regarding cost: I also take into consideration the withdrawal something takes out of the bank of frustration. $200 dollars difference is a small cost for the sake of one's sanity. Thanks for the video.
Edelbrock for me. I’ve never had a issue with anything Edelbrock. Top notch stuff. I’d buy the Edelbrock EFI based on confidence alone
Holley all the way
Contemplating making the switch from carb to FI, this was the first vid that I watched. Very informative and helpful. Thanks
First things first...love your videos! Second...thanks for your honest opinion of the two products, even though I feel it is not an apples to apples comparison. Third...I’m running the FiTech 400 HP with command center. I purchased it two years ago and installed it two weeks ago on my 1969 Ford F100 with 1971 351w. My handheld controller stopped working yesterday. It doesn’t work when plugged into the ECU or laptop...just black screen. I was able to complete my engine break in before the handheld stopped working. I’ve sent FiTech a message for tech support help and going to reach out to Summit (where I purchased it) and see if they are able to assist.
The first time I watched your videos I thought you were a goober,but I was wrong your doing a pretty good job,,I have 5 old broncos,one is a 77 sport 1/2 cab I've had since 1979, there's nothing on the road today as cool as an old bronco,
Haha! I am a goober. Thanks man
My Pro Flo 4 works great after it's all warmed up, even in the summer. It must be warmed up for at least a minute before I'm allowed to put it in reverse. Even then, I have a 50/50 chance of stalling. Edelbrock told my installer they would have a firmware update in a month or two that would fix this problem. That was 8 months ago and nothing. Just get a Sniper. My neighbor loves his. Meanwhile, mine is like a box of chocolates...
Thanks for the info…. Hoping to get the Edelbrock Dominator.
Also… do yourself a favor and buy yourself a couple pairs of “Flush Cuts” for snipping off wire ties so you don’t slice your arms open when working on your Bronco. These are what I have used from Amazon for years… they are inexpensive and work great.
Hakko-CHP-170 Micro Cutter - Red
I am currently struggling with my Fitech after a year of dealing with it.
After the first complete failure of the fuel command centre, to a complete reinstall including an in-tank pump and tank (provided my Fitech at cost due to the acknowledgement of the failed fuel command centre) it has been a challenge. Fortunately, this has been carried out by the shop who built and recommended the Fitech to me.
After a few small glitches (a failed lifter and an intake leak) my truck is now running...but just running enough to take the truck for a drive (one hour round trip which, by the end it begins to lose performance enough to notice, perhaps due to ecu overheating due to location under the hood). The truck should boil the tires off the line but instead stutters until about 2500rpm before it smooths out. I have made some changes as per advice from others in the same boat with a little improvement, but still the issues remain (WOT from stop resulting in stuttering or sometimes die-out, engine going limp while coasting and other small glitches). Add to this the first handheld failing (screen kept sliding and altering settings on its own) and the second handheld felt like the toggle button broke the first time I used it and now doesn't feel quite right (but still works for now) and my confidence is slipping.
I will say that, contrary to others who have shared their experience, that my support has been decent, but I had to reach higher up the chain to receive help (and got it). Unfortunately I am at the point where my confidence is considerably deteriorated and I am considering having the shop remove the system and go an alternate route (carb or Holley sniper) but I am hesitant to go efi again after this experience. :(
Ouch! Sorry man
Thanks for the vid. It's really informative. The only criticism I would offer is that you compare the power of the units, yet you did a cam swap and didn't have the ability to retune the FITech. The Edelbrock was installed and tuned on the new cam.
etheir way you look at it the edlebrock is still gonna be better. it has direct injection. with that much better distribution of the fuel your thottle response will be better cylinders wont burn unevenlly etc. I strongy dislike the holley sniper and the fi tech for the simple fact that their just like the tbi's gm introduced 33 years ago all they did was add 2 more barrels to it..
Makes me feel good about my decision to go edlebrock. Not like I'll be able to run it for another 6 to 8 months but I will have it on fresh 347 stroker. I enjoy your enthusiasm for the system on how well it help make it a hassle free driving exsperiance so far.
Did it clear your stock hood with the height difference?
Yep
Doing something similar... supercharged 347.
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco PLEASE stay concise is your answers!! LOL
I love edelbrock performer intake...great power, quick rip , acceleration along with better cam and carb...
This is interesting to hear! It sounds like EdelBrock has really stepped their game up! I'm more than happy with the Sniper but if I had to change, I would definitely look into Edelbrock now.
So glad your channel popped up in my search for Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 info! I appreciate that your experience applies to any older classic ride, not just Broncos. I have a '70 C10 ( not a Chevy snob, I think Fords are bitchin" as well) and am starting down the same path with fuel injection. Already have a Boyd rear tank w/ internal FI pump installed and had debated on some of the other brands, like FI Tech for my SBC. The installation video and the follow up comparison have been excellent and have certainly cemented my decision to go with Edelbrock. Your video is refreshing, with the (sometimes ugly and pricey) problems out there for us all to see. No fluff, just practical help and advice. I wish you continued success on your project and your YT channel. Oh yeh, I subscribed too :-)
Thanks David! Let me know if I can help anymore
Edelbrock literally got a team of scientists together to help me set up a 500 carb on a 300 L6 Ford. Took some doing but we got it done.
1) I've always enjoyed your videos and appreciate how you portray everything with humility, humor, and candor; 2) I'm on the same path, can't remember if I got fitech before of after you, but I'm considering post-Fitech options; 3) I don't think I have your patience with some of these negative comments. I guess some people have nothing better to do than to waste their time to take the time to tell you they think you're wasting their time. Kudos to you for sharing great videos for us bronco guys and for handling comments in poor taste with tact.
Also, for those "just stick to carb" dudes, they might not realize that many of us bronco guys prefer EFI for off-road capability. Speaking from experience, having the motor and power components DIE in when you're on a steep incline/decline, off camber or in a precarious angle on the side of a cliff is not fun. If properly set up EFI has tremendous advantages over carb for avid off-roaders (which many bronco guys are).
Does the Edelbrock come with a 58 psi fuel pressure regulator???
I do not believe so. Since their system can run at multiple pressure values depending on your setup, they do not provide one. It seems like they should though. Edelbrock has a fuel pressure regulator that is adjustable and for the price of the kit, it should include one. Just of one many items that is missing and will add to the cost of the project.
I've got a 600HP Fitech Unit with a G-Surge that is essentially a paperweight. It's sitting on my shelf collecting dust. Worst purchase of my life. I'm not a "tuner," but I work with modern fuel injection on a daily basis, and I couldn't make the car lean out. The self tuning capabilites were non existent, and I had a hand held problem on the first day of using it. Screen wouldn't power up. Tech support acted like they hated their job and didn't want to be there, so once they sent me a new handheld, I didn't contact them again for help with how the car was running. I put some miles on it against my better judgement with it running so rich, and tuned on it a little, and was slowly making some minor progress, but it was too little, too late. My engine was still fresh, and inevitably I washed the rings down. Now I'm fixing to pull the engine and throw in another set of rings due to oil consumption.
Ouch! Sorry man!
Fitech is only one that makes a dedicated power adder unit for blow thru. Edelbrock has awesome customer service .
Holley makes a power adder unit. Its called super sniper 650/1200. I have the 650 on my car. It's a great unit. I had the fitech and it's trash.
I have heard bad and good with all of them . may just spend the money and go with fast efi setup.
I'm glad to hear this. I bought the edelbrock pro flow 4 for a small block chevy for my 85 firebird, but haven't switched to the v8 yet.
So youre gona put the edelbrock on the small block?
I went with oldschool Ford eec-iv efi, been running great for a decade,and can be built with junkyard parts. it is limited compared to the new aftermarket stuff, but I can get parts for it anywhere. pros and cons
hotrod had my HO EEC4 25 yr 👍👍👍
I have a ranger with a 5.0/302 explorer. eec-V. And it works, can tune it well also
How does this setup work? What computer to control it with? Any videos to watch explaining how to do this?
You forgot to mention that the Edelbrock pro flow 4 comes with a air gap intake, and ofcourse its a muit port injection system, also the available fuel slump pump reservoir system.
I installed it on my Ford FE and I love it,
The fuel pump dying sounds like vapor lock. I was having the same issue when using edelbrock’s sump system. The engine would just die on me randomly. I’d pull off the pressure side output, let the vapor pressure escape, and it’d fire right back up. Yes it was vented properly per the directions. Swapped to the standard Airtex E8000 style pump and used a traditional return line since it needed one anyway with the sump, with the bolt on pro flo 4 regulator. Problem solved. No more vapor lock.
Only thing that I didn't see in here that would have been great for other viewers to understand is the differences between sequential fuel injection and TBI fuel injection
One thing for sure you were right about is that Fi Tech customer service is horrible! I spoke with a guy that sounded like he was eating the whole time I was on the phone with him! and unfortunately the 2nd time I called them I got the same Guy!
i have a 85 blazer that want to build a 383, yeah i know everyone says to put a ls in it. but don't want all the electronics and connection issues with transmission and all. So want to go old school and have everything connected. thank you for the videos on the fuel injection set ups
Back in the day I had a Mopar with lean burn, every summer that computer on the side of the air cleaner fried in the 110 Kansas heat.
The Kansas Highway Patrol, ran the same set up but the lean burn computer was mounted on the kick panel. They never had problems
Heat and ecu, fail, go figure LOL
Haha! Yep!
I bought a fi-tec for a 390 ford. Nothing but junk in my opinion! When I called support they wanted me to test parts with tools only a auto mechanic would own. They are not for do it yourselfer's such as myself. After 8 months of try to get it to run, it now sits on a shelf in my shop. (running carb again) I'm willing to try the Edelbrock. Thanks for the Vid!
I have the FiTech 400hp on my 83 F100 302 with in tank fuel pump from FiTech 58psi. So far 3k miles on it with no issues. I don’t need the extra tune ability with the more expensive unit. I installed it after watching all your videos, thank you. The in tank fuel pump makes a world of difference. I will posting some videos on it soon. Please do more videos on the Pro Flow 4, I would like to install it on my Pontiac 455 7.5L
Awesome!
Nice Video, Nice to see honest review . Still looking at all the different efi systems . Cheers
Great video!! I too have ran both systems and couldn't agree more with your comparison. Well except for the customer service. I have had horrible luck with both. They are equally useless in my experience. You did forget to mention one of the best differences in the user interface part though. The Edelbrock connects Bluetooth versus the ridiculous dual plug in on the Fitech handheld. It is SO nice not having to have anything plugged in if you want to run as a display and/or tune on the fly.
Thanks for the great videos!!
That’s a great point! I did forget that!
Awesome vid.. alot of good info there. when i first saw your videos on fietech i got persuaded to buy it. it say brand new in box for over a year (it was for one of my many projects). when i finally got around to start working on it i came back to your channel to find out that you had many problems with fitech. at that point i posted it for sale. i figured im going to loose even more money if i install it and it dont work.. i ended up loosing about $300 on it. im glad edelbrock hooked you up with this. i will keep an eye out for a follow up vid 6 months down the road.
Yeah I’m looking forward to putting a few months on it and seeing how it performs
Sweet! I'll just add the Edelbrock to my list that's already a mile long! Thanks for the 411! 😏😎 Did I mention my list is 25 years long! 🤪🤪
Haha! That beats my list!
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco what kind of milage you getting with these EFI's? 🤔😏
I take it that Edelbrock PF4 system knocked it out of the park for You ! You have used it for a while now are You still happy with it ? Great video and content Thank You for Your thoughts and feelings ! 🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
It still runs great! Definitely recommend it
@@NashvilleEarlyBronco Thank You for the feedback I appreciate it ! 🇺🇸🇵🇷🦊👍
I have been watching all your videos and learning because i purchased the dual 1200hp Fitech setup and am trying to run them on my 6-71 blown 502 bbc....So far it has been an absolute NIGHTMARE...Piss Poor customer service,very difficult to navigate...I have basically resorted to taking it to a dyno shop and see if they can get it tuned properly...because of lack of customer service....GOD I HOPE I DIDN'T BLOW 2K....
Man, am I glad you did this comparison. I was trying to decide between the both for my 302. But Iv been leaning towards the Edelbrock
I totally suck at carb tuning, so does most of the mechanics in my area. Driving 3 hours just to tune a carb? EFI looks good.
So I take that I just need to stay with my vortec system on my daily driver k1500. Just really tired of constant 02 sensor problems and vats malfunction leaving me stranded.
I have the Fi-Tech on my 454 Chevelle. I just ordered the Edlebrock Pro-Flo a few days ago. My Fi-Tech 800 shorts out injectors so often I have resorted to keeping spare injectors and the tools I need to do a roadside repair in the glove box. It is not a hard repair, but the car stops with no warning. Last time I was on the I-80 freeway just outside Sacramento where people were driving like maniacs. Terrifying and awful. When the Fi-Tech is running, it runs good, it is superior to my old carb(s... went through a few of those), but it is not dependable. It turned my Chevelle into a 'Trailer Queen."
Thanks for the review. the information about the computer being internal to the throttlebody vs external is helpful. I am setting up a dual quad system for my Barracuda, and I see that FiTech and Edelbrock both have a dual quad setup, thing is, they are both around a thousand dollars more than a pair of AVS2 500 cfm carbs. I just don't see how I could justify going to this newfangled contraption...
I just traded a 14 bolt rear end for a summit efi brand new in the box cant wait to install it
The Edelbrock Pro Flo 4 uses a single plane manifold that shifts your torque up to a higher RPM. If this is what you want, then no problem. But if not stay with the dual-plane manifold and a throttle body EFI or carburetor. For some reason Edelbrock does not offer port fuel injection on a dual plane manifold. But you can drill eight holes in a dual plane manifold to make one. And yes, Edelbrock intake gaskets do leak. Ask me how I know. 😑 The best 302-351W intake gaskets I have found are from Price Motor Sports. They have never leaked in 7 years of use.
Great video, even if it’s 3 years old. Looking into the Edlebrock system for the past 2 weeks, with a Holly super sniper at home, it definitely seems like the winner.
That’s awesome! Glad to help
Interesting video . But they are 2 completely different ways of doing EFI . So it hard to compare them to each other apart from just how they drive . The carb type EFI is good if can't get a intake type EFI for your engine
I agree with you that it’s two different ways of doing EFI, but a lot of people are looking at these two units and trying to decide which one to go with.
So, I have a 5.0 swapped ranger, has oem explorer EFI, and I was part of a group of v8 Ranger guys, many ran aftermarket efi on older carb 302's, of that group, almost none that used FITech had any luck. They had constant problems. And ended up selling their kit for super cheap.. could be the engine bay heat, and fuel delivery issues.. soo.. take my advice, use factory style efi, or not the fitech.. the holley, edelbrock, or higher end stuff that plugs into an sct/laptop tuner that works.. soo..
I can’t wait till my tax return. Im getting that edelbrock pro flow. You’re dead on with the edelbrock customer service. They have the best customer service. Also that ECU not being in the throttle body is a game changer. They really did their homework on this.
Great video I have so been looking forward to this review on edelbrock pro flo 4 only thing missing was fuel mileage but great video thank you👌👌
Last summer I had a local small shop put a FiTech on my 86 C20 with a crate 350 Vortec. It still doesn’t run when it’s cold. Get’s 11mpg, Been all over UA-cam trying all the fixes. Reset it several times. Their support is just none existent. I think I will just bite the bullit and go with an Edelbrock Avs2 650cfm carb. The FiTech will go in a box in the garage. I wouldn’t sell this thing to anyone else and put them thru this let alone have them throw their money away too.
Pro-Flo is $2300 now and does not come a tablet anymore. FiTech has a new lower HP system for trucks for $869.
I've watched a few of your videos and subscribed. One thing that I noticed you haven't addressed and need to, is the current going through your vehicle is regards to "True Voltage". I put a FiTech on my 69 Failane w/302 and one of the early problems was that it ran, at times. rough but also showed signs of smooth running. I got into computers early on and discovered one of the major problems with PCs was the power supply. A PC electrical system designed on 12 volts needs to have a true 12 volts in this digital age. With that thought, I ran voltage tests on my electrical system and was getting readings of 11.2 -11.4 volts. I had a NAPA stock alternator on the car which develops a 35 AMP charge. I replaced it with a 150 AMP charge alternator and a buttload of problems with the EFI disappeared immediately. This can very easily be your problems with the hand helds and the fuel pumps. So far I have had neither. I will also tell you that my 302 was a fresh build and the new cam compliments the EFI. The car is literally "new" or re-furbished completely. The only problem I am now having is that I am getting some minor back firing when I let off the pedal or stomp it. I'm either running wet or my mechanical advance is not working, is what I'm thinking. Outside of that my car runs great. I just started my 69 Mach 1 project and I am putting a 429 in it and strongly considering a fuel rail EFI system in it but that project is at least 12 months out from completion. "Film @ 11:00"!
Thank you! I’ve heard voltage effects the EFI, and I totally agree with you.
You just talked me out of both of them I'll stick with my carburetor thank you very much
Love my Fitech meanstreet...never had a problem with it.....makes tons and tons of power.
Fitech uncomplicated and simple, for V8 the best I've seen so far.
Fitech is the worst out of ALL the tbi systems. Cheap chinese junk that breaks and doesnt stay tuned. I install efi systems for a living and I wouldnt put a fitech on a scooter.
So, I watched this when it was new and still have exactly the same question I had then. How reliable are these units over time. Everyone who installed one says it was worth doing but nobody has posted a 3-5 year follow up
I did not know about the FiTech computer issue. Good to know. Direct Port injection is a lot better as well. That would be why things are better on performance.
I’m an Edelbrock guy all the way. I named my number 4 daughter Cammy. Same name different spelling but it was because of Vics daughters name.
Holley all the way
Confirms my choice for my 460 build coming up! Thank you
Same
Pro m efi and be done with it. A little more but you pay for oem quality and the ability to change anything on the engine including adding a supercharger, and not have to re tune.
Ive just swapped out my 18 month old FiTech.. And fitted the Holley Sniper.. In 18 months with FiTech.. Ive had 7 weeks of no FiTech as it was broken out of the box and it took them 7 weeks to get me a replacement. Ive had 2 new injectors under warranty.. Replaced the FiTech pump as it was so noisy.. Had 2 handhelds.. And they are junk!! Had issues with the FiTech constantly. Despite messing with settings it would regularly cut out in traffic. I swapped it for a Sniper.. Changed nothing else.. And wow.. Its like a totally different truck.. I'm telling everyone.. Dont waste your money with the FiTech.. Its junk!
100% agree about FiTech customer service being shit. Called to walk through a problem with an install on a big block mopar and while I have no ballast resistor on the car he say it’s a mopar so it has one and that the problem. Then proceeded to argue with me saying it had to have one. No it doesn’t it’s bypassed as I’m using an external ignition box and removed it...
Let's make this super simple... DO NOT buy anything from Fitech... EVER!!! I challenge anyone to sell worse products or provide worse tech support... I don't think it's even possible. Sorry Fitech... you earned this black eye... now wear it🤚👍
Kevin Vandergaag I agree Im ready to switch back to my carb after the fuel pressure issues
Come on man.. once i replace all the sensors and injectors and replace the ecu with microsquirt itll be reliable....
Don’t buy aces either
I want to go a little sideways here. I am interested in buying something like an old F100 with either a 302 or 300 six. Since they are so close in cubic inches, I'm wondering which is a better engine. I don't know which has better power, but I have heard that the six is really thirsty. I'm guessing that an EFI system and electric ignition would be a good investment on either engine. This vehicle would be just a daily driver, not a racer or a heavy duty hauler. Another thought I had was which would be a better upgrade for the 200 six in something. like a Falcon, Fairlane, Fairmont or Maverick? Any comments would be helpful. Thank you.
great video man ! been watching all your videos to date, im still a qjet carb user for now and thinkin more & more to switch over. i had seen, read & heard many small issues with fitech and things that didnt suit me, but this very video has me nearly convinved that i should go Ebrock :) hey great work, keep the vids and comparisons coming. cheers
Thanks man!
Hey man, just want to say thanks for the video. Good honest review, well formated and informative. Im just doing some preliminary research before getting elbow deep into my first full rebuild/restoration on a 72 f100 w/302 4spd. I will definitely be watching more of your videos to see what youve come across and done. Keep the awesome vids coming.
Awesome!
I will buy either Edelbrock or Holly
IDK about the edelbrock EFI set up but, the Fitech is a expensive paper weight. I had problems with it and I know know about 4 other guy's that had the same problems with it. Go with the Holley Sniper unit. Not much more and it a solid unit. I love it.
I see in your discription you had success with the fitech. Idk anyone who has ran it that has had success with that unit including myself. I had the power adder 600 unit. Actually just saw one on market place fella is selling because he is having issues as well.
Great series of videos on the Pro-Flo 4 - thanks. You discussed the size and say that the Edelbrock is 1" taller than the Fitech. In the comments I see you have a 1" body lift. I assume your engine is a 302. It appears that you don't have a problem with hood clearance. Are you running a stock air cleaner of a shorter one? Any ideal how the height compares to a stock setup? Any general comments about hood clearance that your viewers should be aware of? Thanks.
Thanks! I have a 2” air cleaner, stock is 3” I believe. So my guess is that the whole system is about 2-3” taller than a stock set up.
Fitech customer service is amazing. I have had nothing but hot soak problems with my 600 from day one. On hot days between 90 and 100 degrees I go into a store I come back out it will not start. I put ice on the front of the fitech where the computer is located it will start within 2 minutes. The other way to make sure it ran when I got out of the store is to open the hood before I go in so the heat can escape then of course it would start right up. I got so tired of that they replaced it twice. Finally they sent me one number three and they agreed to let me take the computer out of the throttle body on top of the engine and relocate the computer inside the car I mounted it on my air conditioner housing under the dash. It took a lot of spicing soldering and shrink wrap but I got it done. Now it starts and runs no matter how hot it gets under the hood. The other serious problem is the fuel pump the brushes wear out prematurely and the bearings start screaming in it and I replace fuel pumps almost monthly. The last fuel pump they sent me ran less than a week and it started sputtering yesterday one Me 1 mile from my home. The engine died in my driveway and I had to put a 4in chunk of ice on the fuel pump for 5 minutes it started right up I parked it in the garage and I will never use another fitech fuel pump again. I took my last fuel pump apart last week the brushes were shot and the veins that move the fuel we're out of shape the fuel filter was full of fuel pump shavings. I have not tried the fuel Command Center and probably won't.
Wow! That’s pretty awesome they did that for you! That is great customer service!
Saw Edelbrock featured your vid. That's sweet. Keep making great content.
Nice! Thanks man
Very helpful video I've been thinking of the edelbrock pro flow 4 system . Or the Holley sniper EFI
THANK YOU for this video and your Install vid. I'm a Fitech user on the fence about going to the Flo Pro 4. That fact that you made that switch in your vids is invaluable to me. I'm running a modded Fitech Command Center for fuel, so I'm thinking I'm in good shape to run that to the Flo Pro 4 rail, since it's already capped at 58psi. I just need to invest in a fuel pump relay and get that wired up properly. Awesome job on these videos!!
Thanks Mike!
Thanks super helpful - considering Edelbrock on my Rotrex boosted 283 SBC on the channel.
Im late to game on this post but,i dont really think a port EFI and the Fitech Throttle body is a fair comparison,I do like the Edelbrock,although i have not found one yet they sell for a LS swap with NOS
Buy the Edelbrock, or the Holley, or the MSD, or anything else. Or you could park your car with the Fitech on it and make a bunch a phone calls to the crappy customer service. Spend another $500 or $600 on parts for them to tell you that you could send it back, but it's probably you're fault. Even though, you did every thing they asked you to over the coarse off the whole summer.
Isn't the edelbrock a port injection where the fitech is a throttle body injection? That is probably the reason the power feels better with the edelbrock over the fitech.
Yep, that’s a big reason
What spark plug wires did you run with the proflo4? Just got a unit ready to install on a 454 chevy, and the instructions say high EMI suppression spark plug wires are necessary, and not to use solid core wires. Why is that? Also, great video, and cheers from Norway ;) thanks
I made a video about the spark plug wires I used, check that one out. The reason is because a cheap wire can interfere with the electronic signals moving through the unit. So they want to make sure you have a good shielded spark plug wire that won’t “leak” the signal out of.
You've sold me I've been thinking about it and now I have a heading
Happy to help
Thank you for this video, I am hoping Holley, MSD and FAST contact you soon.
That would be amazing
Thanks for doing the comparison, top vid!
Update for you. Pro Flo 4 Sbf kit w/o tablet is now $1895. With tablet $2195.
Pretty good review, bro!!
Thanks!
OK dude thanks for the video, I have lots of problems with my fitech, I am currently not getting any response from the ECU, I bought the retro 600 horsepower unit which has a separate ECU not built inside the throttle body.I just put it in a box and sent it back to them they are going to test it and probably send it back,,, I wouldn't mind if they just gave me my money backcurrently have it installed in a 1970 El Dorado with a 500 cubic inch motorfor many weeks now the unit will not start have tried lots of different things to correct the problem, I have to pour gas down the unit just to get it to start. so I can get home that sucks !
Bummer man!
I have the same intake manifold, I believe it was based off the Shelby design. I plan on using it with a Holley Sniper setup. Does yours have “FB4” on it?
I can see why the Edelbrock would outperform the Fitech EFI. The Edelbrock is a true feel injection system where the Fitech is a glorified electron a carburetor.
What about Holly efi? I know you didn’t test one but I’m wondering what people are saying down your way? Joe
Great job comparing the 2 efi systems...I really was rooting on the the Fitech system, for its cost and simplicity...ever since you bought it. Glad you figured most of the problems out with it....maybe after another year of R & D they will have a trouble free unit or a must have guidelines....WonderBar!!
I would take it, haha!
John, Great Video. Always loved Edlebrock products and, yes, their customer service is great! I was wondering if you have a body lift on your bronco. I just bought a 69 wagon. Still has the stock 2bbl carb and air cleaner. The offset air cleaner looks very close to the underside of the hood. not sure I would have room for the Edlebrock without raising the body. Just wondering what you did if anything. By the way, my suspension and body mount location are all stock original.
Thanks Kevin. Yep, I have a 1” body lift. Probably needed for the edelbrock