Ben Hogans Golf swing Secret revealed in his own words ,will suprise you

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  • @blackie75
    @blackie75 4 роки тому +19

    What you have to take into account here, is that people like Hogan and Snead spent years hitting hundreds of thousands of balls to learn what they knew about the swing and groove a movement which was able to strike the ball squarely time after time, under the pressure of tournament golf. Of course after you have that, it's mostly managing yourself and the course. To add to that, when Hogan talks about seeing other people with better swings, he's talking about other tour pros, and guess what....they've been through exactly the same thing with their swings.
    Don't get me wrong, the message is still great, but there's not a hell of a lot of course or mental management to do if you can't strike a golf ball correctly, in a somewhat repeatable fashion.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому +2

      I wanted to let Ben Hogan himself tell us his views in his own words, The score card only wants a number not a story or description of your swing, Hogan found his swing but as he said his mind needed work, when he had both he was unstoppable, thanks for watching.

    • @chappy24
      @chappy24 3 роки тому +4

      Hogan had better swings than 99.9% of golfers it was no mistake Nelson Hogan won everything

    • @guitarheros7204
      @guitarheros7204 2 роки тому +2

      100% the kind of strategy and course management Hogan was using was a luxury afforded to him only by the superb ballstriking he possesed. No way around it.

    • @ironsideeve2955
      @ironsideeve2955 10 місяців тому

      That's a very important piece of context

  • @bobsnooker.3950
    @bobsnooker.3950 3 роки тому +8

    Lovely video. Golf is 70% between the ears . Yes it is if you have a really good swing. I have played for 50 years and the vast majority of armatures have no idea how to swing properly. You need to get the fundamentals of swinging the golf club before you can go and play. it is like learning to drive the mechanics of making the car go are fundamental but you only learn how to drive when you hit the road with traffic.

    • @jsusna1972
      @jsusna1972 3 роки тому +2

      Just what I thought, Bob Snooker. Hogan was talking about the 70% it took to win golf tournaments over 4 days, not that 70% would help you make good golf shots. I've had but a handful of rounds in the 70s, and after each of those rounds, it was difficult for me to remember what particular swing thoughts, if any, I used. It seemed I just stepped up to the ball and saw where I wanted it to go and somehow the ball went there. Maybe that was what Dr. Rotella meant when he said to just let it go. Letting it go if you have solid fundamentals is fine and dandy, but if you don't, letting it go can mean lost balls and high scores.

    • @robertfigueroa2853
      @robertfigueroa2853 2 роки тому

      Its all about knowing your swing i side and out

  • @ildblm1507
    @ildblm1507 Місяць тому

    Thank you so much for sharing this. Huge fan of Ben Hogan. Thinking, maybe we should say - there are no secrets in golf, just hard work and good thinking.

  • @dougm659
    @dougm659 10 місяців тому

    So true about the mental aspect’s significance…I used to lose my temper too easily and my score just spiralled up to the point where I wondered why I bothered playing at all. Once I got my swing stabilised through some good lessons, I grew to trust it more and relax which helped me keep cool when a poor shot occurred. At age 60 I broke 80 for the first time in my 45+ years of golf on New Year’s Eve and repeated the feat yesterday! It’s all in the mind! Next target is to break 75!

  • @rayest7569
    @rayest7569 4 роки тому +5

    Simply Excellent Mr. Linch! Thank you for sharing your great insights!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it Ray, Thanks for watching.

  • @gbyo1823
    @gbyo1823 3 роки тому +2

    Very nice find. Thanks for sharing.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @tonyciccone2462
    @tonyciccone2462 3 роки тому +1

    Great insight from Mr Hogan and you did an excellent job on this video,I am 65 yrs old and have taken up golf one year ago I am totally addicted to the game

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching Tony, I wish you the best with your golf, if you need any help or online lessons drop me a line. and if you could press the like and subscribe buttons that would be great, Thanks again.

    • @mike.p.1400
      @mike.p.1400 3 роки тому

      I’m 62 Tony and took it up 10 years ago and the light 💡 is just now starting to go on. It’s a wonderful feeling.

  • @TeddyCavachon
    @TeddyCavachon 2 роки тому

    Every golfer on the pro level has a very systematic set-up routine which allows them to shift gears, tune out distractions and concentrate. I recall one pro, I forget get which, who would open the strap of his glove between shots then close it before addressing the ball. When asked about the habit he said it was his mental key to concentrate and block out distractions.
    I never got good at the game until retiring and taking a job at a course where I was able to play nearly every day, weather permitting, with most of my rounds solo, sometimes on a completely open course which allowed me to play without distractions. I can’t concentrate the same way playing social golf and can’t imagine how the pros manage to do it in front of huge galleries.
    I think the practice of playing in groups of four and handicap system stroke which discourages golfers from going out and playing solo practice rounds makes it more difficult to learn the game. I would guess for every hour spent in competition Hogan spent ten or more playing solo practice rounds and hitting balls to his caddy who would carry a bushel basket and put it on the ground for him to aim at.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  2 роки тому

      Hi Teddy you made a great point about playing on your own and the handicap system, Playing with the same golfers each week is the worst way to improve as your only bothered about your playing partners who probaly have the same handicap as you. On your own you are competing againt the course which is scratch golf. Myself I would when playing with others always be in a match with the course first and not my playing partners ,it helps me to play better golf, espeacly if my partners have higher handicaps.

  • @tonymonaghan5993
    @tonymonaghan5993 5 місяців тому

    Here's a thought I've had a long time. I think when Ben Hogan said "I have a secret, if I told you where to look, you'd know the secret". I think this could very well be his secret. Next time you're out just focus on where the club should strike: back of the ball for driver, blade of grass in front of the ball for irons. Just hold that absolute focus and swing. When I started to do that I realised this very well could be Hogan's actual secret. Try it. Let me know what you think.

  • @andrews4293
    @andrews4293 4 роки тому +5

    Thank you , I needed to hear this .

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      Hi Andrew I hope it helps you to enjoy golf more and play better, keep in touch with your game improvements.

  • @lutzchoco1
    @lutzchoco1 3 роки тому +1

    Sound technique frees the mind

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Hi Choco you need both sound mind and technique, most dont have either.

  • @downunderpar
    @downunderpar 4 роки тому

    Andrew! This really is a good video! A lot of people just don't get this! Hogan himself, said that you'll see the secret when you know where to look! Quite often the answer is staring us in the face, but we are blinded by physical perfection to see it!! Good stuff ol' mate!!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому +2

      Thanks for watching, I thought wrongly LOL, that more people would be interested in the truth, but it would seem that there not, I know from personel exsperience that the mental side is the key to better golf, again Thanks.

  • @Holly1960-
    @Holly1960- 3 роки тому +1

    Like Nicklaus, it was course management !
    Very hard to do....
    Jack went back to Grout with problems and Grout taught him to manage his game on the course.
    Not to run back for info, but to figure it out on the course himself...
    Hogan I am sure was a great influence on Nicklaus....
    Greatest Game Ever Played, Vardon said, "there are only two types of player's, those that keep their nerves in competition, and those that do not" !

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому +1

      Very true, If your not managing the course, the course is managing you for sure.

  • @grahamjones7371
    @grahamjones7371 4 роки тому +1

    You explained it perfectly later in the video!

  • @KarlEBrand
    @KarlEBrand 3 роки тому +1

    EXCELLENT PIECE OF VIDEO! Most important what he said about the mental game amd training oneself for competition! MANY THANKS FOR DIGGING THIS OUT and your wonderful analysis! SPOT ON!!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed the video Karl.thanks for watching.

  • @j.p.montpellier3834
    @j.p.montpellier3834 2 роки тому

    Brilliant....When it comes to scoring it's NOT how but how many that counts.
    The power of BELIEF in oneself is the catalyst in any success.
    Bravo...👏👏👏😊❤️🥂🇨🇦

  • @part1801
    @part1801 3 роки тому +4

    No practice swing Just rip it
    More golfers need that mentality including me

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Hi Part1,I think we all need to get out of our own way (including me LOL), a lot more so we can play beter golf, Thanks for watching.

  • @OfCourseICan
    @OfCourseICan 3 роки тому +1

    Very grateful for this.
    Thank You.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed the video.thanks for watching.

  • @zackfishman3245
    @zackfishman3245 3 роки тому

    Mr. Lynch, this may be the most important golf video on UA-cam.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks Zack, I just thought golfers needed to hear Ben Hogan himself talk about his golf swing, not another persons view on Mr Hogan,s swing, thanks again for watching.

  • @stevedriscoll2539
    @stevedriscoll2539 Рік тому

    That is some great footage of Ben Hogan.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed it Steve, nothing like hearing it straight from Hogan no personel thoughts added.

  • @fayette202
    @fayette202 3 роки тому

    Bob Rotella actually interviewed Mr. Hogan (as chronicled in Kris Tsechetter's book) In his talk, I'm surprised he doesn't reference some of the things they talked about.

  • @soleaguirre100
    @soleaguirre100 2 роки тому

    Thanks excellent vid. l❤BHogan !

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching, Sole glad you enjoyed it.

  • @siewlaitan3875
    @siewlaitan3875 3 роки тому +1

    Thanks !

  • @guyhall6592
    @guyhall6592 11 місяців тому

    Brilliant!
    🙏🏻😎🙏🏻

  • @leeyarbrough9636
    @leeyarbrough9636 3 роки тому

    Best lesson I ever heard or learnt , just get out of your way wow make very good sense , hogan was the best just wished I could have met him nice video.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Thanks for watching Lee, Golf can be hard or easy, its a mental choice, I choose easy LOL.

  • @kellyloveless9919
    @kellyloveless9919 2 роки тому

    He's speaking about tournament golf. Tournament golf requires a different way of thinking than just playing golf. Most all of the people reading this will likely never play actual tournament golf, so for you this is moot. Obviously course management is one thing, and something you should consider in becoming a better player, but this is different. This is pacing yourself for 4 days, observing the conditions, how the weather changes, your tee times, observing the leader board and who's there, how they play, how many holes are left, how rowdy is the gallery? When will they water the greens? Where can I find a caddy with local knowledge? Where do I book my hotel room so I'll have an easier trip to the course? etc etc. His 70/30 ratio is on the basis of comparing his own game on equal footing as that of others, but edging them in a 4 day competition with strategy and preparation. If you're a 25 handicap then all the strategy and course management in the world isn't going to make you a scratch player. The best improvement you can make mentally is convincing yourself to practice more. Its in the dirt.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  2 роки тому

      Hi Kelly, I gave a playing lesson to a 25 handicaper and he played 10 shots under his handicap because I told him which shots and clubs to play , see mentally he was trying to play like a tour pro, but didnt have the game to back it up, by playing for bogey golf he played better, I didnt change his swing just his mental approach to the shot & round, Hogan said his swing was 70% mental and tournaments were about being mentally tougher,, you cant control the weather, scoreboard, etc etc, but Hogan realized he only needed to control his mental side in the swing and a competion and if you do that well you can win the Open or the Saturday roll up. thanks for watching

  • @seansimpson-golf
    @seansimpson-golf 4 роки тому +1

    Good video. Thanks

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      Thanks glad you enjoyed it

  • @strummer9837
    @strummer9837 4 роки тому

    Excellent video well put together thank you

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      Thanks Robbie, glad you enjoyed the video, I just thought golfers needed to know the truth.

  • @PNW_Sportbike_Life
    @PNW_Sportbike_Life 2 роки тому

    this is pretty cool, but much more applicable to a pro. I'm just focusing on increasing my consistency in ball striking, course management and keeping the ball in play.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  2 роки тому

      Hi PNW, thanks for watching the video, and when it comes to game improvement, we each have to find the shoe that fits us scenario I get it, for myself when I rearlized that my mental game controlled my consistency. course management etc it truly changed my game, good luck with your search for better golf and keep in touch ,I like too hear others golf storys and views, Regards Andrew

  • @soleaguirre100
    @soleaguirre100 2 роки тому

    Lo que dice BH❤ es logras un buen swing ok pero la parte mente es pilar fundamental para llegar al propósito de estar con el trofeo 🏆 en sus manos… Muchos hacen buenos tiros birdies y eagles o Albatros ect pero ser constante para llegar hasta la ronda final requiere más que buena técnica también requiere una actitud mental. saludos cordiales desde Santiago Chile 🇨🇱

  • @DASH1ful
    @DASH1ful 4 роки тому +2

    don't you think he was just trying to psyche out his opponents, by saying i'm tougher than you? towards the end of his life an interviewer for golf digest put it to him that his secret was his grip. and, his reply was: "yes, but i'm not telling". and, i do have to say that it is a sad indictment on the teaching profession that they have not been able to spot something as glaringly obvious as this.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      It would be lovely if it was all in his grip then we could all play brilliant golf because we had the secret , but sadly it is not that easy or simple . Hogans clubs were all made aproximently 4 degrees open, Nick Faldo tried using them and he said how the hell do I swing them , just this one thing stopped Hogan hooking along with his weak grip he really started to play well when he had a one way miss ( pros dream). The golf digest interview did not really reveal anything other than as Hogan said to a friend did they really think i would tell them the secret for $10,000 .
      I think Hogan had a great laugh and would still at seeing everyone trying to find the magic move in his swing. his greatest strength was his mental toughness as he said its 70% of my game, if golfers want to ignore this fact and chase the 30% then its a free country, But I did the video because its Hogans own words and not just my opinion, thanks for watching.

    • @DASH1ful
      @DASH1ful 4 роки тому

      @@MrLeftyno1 yes, my point was that we may need to read between the lines. clearly hogan wanted his fellow professionals to feel one down standing on the first tee. i realise that the game is far more complexed than discovering the grip secret. but, good golf starts with a good grip. and, the simple fact is that the teaching profession has been teaching us to grip the club incorrectly, with the left hand, from day one. hogan, himself told us to grip the club incorrectly in his book, though, the lesson that he gave us on gripping the club across the palm of the left hand is totally correct. i agree that pychology plays a part, and, indeed, one example is that we shouldn't keep on thinking about a swing move etc. but, a golf teacher can talk about the importance of the mental game until the cows come home, but if they don't know the difference between the subconscious mind and the unconscious mind they can't teach golf. the subconscious mind was once conscious but the unconscious mind never was conscious. some things we do unconsciously: breathe out in the hitting area etc; and some things we have to do consciously, before they become subconscious. but, for me for a golf teacher to say the game is 70% in the mind is just a cop out. it gives them the perfect excuse when their lessons fail. a golf teacher once told me to start my downswing by pushing my left hip out in the direction it points at the top of the backswing. when it didn't work he told me that i had the physical ability to do what he told me, but not the mental capacity to make it work, and that i had a negative approach. if i had a negative approach i would not have been able to physically able, and gullible enough, to apply myself to do what he told me to do. so, in reply i asked him if he worked on the things he told me to do. "No. I just go out there and hit it", was his response. lesson over.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      @@DASH1ful One of the main reasons I started teaching was some very bad instructors in my youth so I definetly understand your perspective, I was working with a famous cricketeer once and he wasnt using his legs so I said can you throw a ball he of course laughed so after throwing a ball he started hitting the ball one handed dead straight and using his legs perfectly, he turned to me and said I get it and hit great shots 2 handed. so if your not taking the time to understand your client mentally and physically you dont stand a chance helping him. If I had started instead with how to use the legs I would have caused confusion and made him play worse. knowledge applied with no understanding of the client is useless.
      As for the mind I find for myself that the smaller I make my target the more my mind pushes out negative and useless thoughts and focuses on my target then my body can deliver the swing.

    • @grahamjones7371
      @grahamjones7371 4 роки тому

      @@MrLeftyno1 Ive found this as well, although i use an intermediate target 5-10 ft away to set up to I have found that I am better if i focus on a small distant target ie flag or tree top which can be 200yds away!

    • @chappy24
      @chappy24 3 роки тому

      @@MrLeftyno1 nice flex with the famous cricketer dawg

  • @brettneuberger6466
    @brettneuberger6466 3 роки тому

    Oh boy, I love this! He sure seems like a likable guy. Handsome devil too. So many life lessons here. Thanks for sharing.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Hi Brett glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @Chris_Traynor
    @Chris_Traynor Рік тому

    superb!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  Рік тому

      Glad you enjoyed the video Chris

  • @TimFlaherty
    @TimFlaherty 3 роки тому

    Great Interpretations here

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching Tim, you just cant beat hearing from Mr Hogan himself on his golf swing.

  • @DT-rs1fj
    @DT-rs1fj Рік тому

    I think Mr Hogan was referring to role of mental game in the whole scheme of being a successful pro. Most reference to Mr Hogan's 'secret' would be about his GOAT golf swing.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  Рік тому

      Hi DT, I often smile when TV pundits talk of Adam Scotts beautiful swing, the problem is he doesnt win very often, Hogans swing was good, his mental game was perfection ,if Adam could have Hogans mental strength WOW, just my view, thanks for watching.

  • @soleaguirre100
    @soleaguirre100 2 роки тому

    BH Remarcable man and golfer

  • @fastbusiness
    @fastbusiness 5 років тому +4

    Thanks for the vid. I have had fleeting glimpses of how the mind controls the swing and the shot. It happens when I'm relaxed and not trying to hit the ball for maximum distance. Trying too hard to get every last yard out of a shot has hurt me more than anything else. I have had times where I could visualize a shot flying just like I wanted and it just happened. Not just a coincidence either. Problem is, before long the killer instinct would take over again and the ball was going all about the course again. Frustrating, but this is how the mind can affect the swing.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  5 років тому

      Glad you enjoyed the video, From my experience playing my biggest enenmy is my mind the better my mind works the better I play, I always tell students you change your golf swing by changing the way you think.

  • @glenholroyd3025
    @glenholroyd3025 4 роки тому +2

    Sorry people, confidence comes from technique and repetition. Your mind becomes strong based on your technique.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      I would say its the opposite Glen, your technique becomes strong based on your mind, I agree with Mr Hogan.

    • @roberthaar
      @roberthaar 3 роки тому

      I cant agree more with Glen. Like a surgeon, which I am , confidence, lack of uncertainty, and repeatability comes with perfection of technique and repetition. The best surgeons and golfers are supremely confident people.

  • @robertbrandywine
    @robertbrandywine 5 місяців тому

    OT but are you still using Joe Dante's 4 magic moves?

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  5 місяців тому +1

      definetly the wrist hinge, that was a game changer for sure,

  • @MWolverine1969
    @MWolverine1969 3 роки тому

    3:24 Just sick!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Not a bad swing for sure LOL.

  • @lutzchoco1
    @lutzchoco1 3 роки тому

    Swing first......mind will follow

  • @grahamjones7371
    @grahamjones7371 4 роки тому +1

    I think he was referring to pro tournament golf being 70% mental they were allready good ball strikers but wernt mentally clever or tough enough to handle 4 days of competitive tournament golf. He also liked to kid people eg when having thrashed the living daylights out of it he answers oh it went about 220!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      I think all golf is 70% mental, tournament golf just shows it up due to the extreme pressure.

    • @grahamjones7371
      @grahamjones7371 4 роки тому

      @@MrLeftyno1 Thats because you are a good ball striker and hit it a long way!

    • @chumvit
      @chumvit 4 роки тому +1

      I believe for non pro, we only got 10% or less, comparing to Ben 30% hahaha.
      IMHO, swing fundamental must be good enough first before playing between the ears; otherwise, things will be going all over the place.

    • @nokia5359
      @nokia5359 4 роки тому

      @@chumvit agree. Cant BE mental if i cant be sure whether my next swing is same as last one. Otherwise i would GO mental instead.
      Someone said all swings are good swing, slice and hook are included. They are bad swings only when you didn't mean to. May be this is when mental come in.

  • @f1partisan160
    @f1partisan160 4 роки тому

    cant hear you, the clips are way louder

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  4 роки тому

      Hi I double checked video sound on my laptop and my phone, and sound was great, so a little mystified , but thanks for watching.

  • @dunningkruger3774
    @dunningkruger3774 3 роки тому

    Clubs for sale, sweet spot never hit.

  • @dunningkruger3774
    @dunningkruger3774 3 роки тому

    That is the strangest golf outfit that the interviewer is wearing. Where can I get one?

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Local church could be a good start, you know that place next to the rum shop, LOL.

    • @DavidNums
      @DavidNums 2 роки тому

      You might be overestimating your ability to acquire such an outfit.

    • @dunningkruger3774
      @dunningkruger3774 2 роки тому

      @@DavidNums But it would go great with my white windowless van with "free candy" written on the side...

  • @dtmjax5612
    @dtmjax5612 3 роки тому

    “Many fellas have a much better swing than I.” Uh...I haven’t seen him yet. Snead maybe...about it.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      Hi DTM, Hogans swing was great, but his mental game was the best ever probally, I think that set him apart from everyone else, thanks for watching.

  • @sisport_01
    @sisport_01 3 роки тому

    100% mental - motor memory ..🏌🏽‍♂️⛳️

  • @chachifeere
    @chachifeere 2 роки тому

    This is nothing to do with a secret , you can take this anyways but for him it’s 70/30

  • @termite122
    @termite122 2 роки тому

    old ben was so right about rich kids today and even kids that arent rich..they have mostly become entitled assholes..most of the world is like that today..lucky for him he doesnt have to see it..

  • @pcooke9865
    @pcooke9865 3 роки тому

    Would be very interested to know who he would say had a better swing than him.

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  3 роки тому

      God, LOL. Though he did say Mickey Wright had the best swing of any man or woman he had ever seen.

    • @davidfocusedinwithprecisio6270
      @davidfocusedinwithprecisio6270 2 роки тому

      Moe Norman had the greatest equal continuance in the history of golf.

  • @darrylb5247
    @darrylb5247 Місяць тому

    Ben had a gang of 5 kids that wanted to beat him up. He agreed to fight them 1 at a time, and beat all 5! That is PROOF of his 70% "between the ears"! If it was you, you would have had to slink away or get beat up by the 5! Ben was WAY SMARTER under REAL PRESSURE!

    • @MrLeftyno1
      @MrLeftyno1  26 днів тому

      You made a assumption about me and you dont even know me, ex boxer, karate champion as well as Judo .You may slink away ,I never have, keep your comments about Ben who you also didnt know.

    • @darrylb5247
      @darrylb5247 24 дні тому

      @@MrLeftyno1 The time u spent on Judo and Karate kept you from becoming as good at me at golf! Also 2 pros I knew well were FRIENDS of Ben Hogan, and one even beat him in Tournament play (Stan Leonard).