The lady in blue was offended. She felt the need to state she's not naive and she thinks a lot. It's a defensive reaction when someone feels stupid about themselves. There's not enough clarity in her logic. She almost equates pollution with socialism as she brought up Shanghai smog and Russian lake polution. She also implied high moral standard and a care for the eninvronment comes from a capitalist society. These are just irrelevant.
by the way us or uk or other countries，they all have pollution problems when they were in a high speed develop period. so it have nothing to do with system！！it is about balance development and environment！
@@rachelz9064 This lady is basically saying: 1. communists only care about their own development and blame western companies for not protect the environment 2. we should learn and teach our kids the importance of protecting the environment In conclusion: Those companies cannot prevent us from saving the environment, and we cannot prevent companies pollute the environment. Plus blame communists.
Agreed with Eric, capitalism is by nature profit-driven. When we look more deeply into the companies within the system, the companies decision based on market factors as well as competition, there is no way for any CEO of a company to make a costly socially responsible non-profit decision in the long run before the company makes a lot of profit. The government requires making rules and regulations to create a fair playing field for companies to compete in a socially responsible way. And organize the government spending to lead the focus into the required area. The capitalist government that highly influenced or captured by the big business simply cannot do it.
When you want to transform capitalism to a “conscious capitalism“, it’s no longer capitalism as it is. When you keep asking the government to provide incentives to solve these problems while asking for lower and lower taxes, this is like where the fed is now (negative rates). Society end up subsidizing businesses to fix problems they cause with no money left for other civil (socialist) issues. The see the fear of even mentioning socialism or rejecting public/private ownership is keeping us from thinking outside the box. We’ll still end up talking about this same issues in a decades time because we’re too stuck on certain ideology.
Liz Alderman, please make sure everyone has the equal time frame to speak in, as that's what a moderator does. The one inspiring speaker, Eric Li, was silenced, while allowing Valerie Keller to speak 25 years old stuff. Is this the kind of inequality created by Capitalist countries?
The blue lady is really good at stirring muddy water and confusing audiences with lengthy empty phrases : “we can do it; there is a lot of hope; let’s work together” answers with no essence but can never be wrong no matter what the question is.
16:50, "smog coming back over shanghai"? i took two trips every year in a period of last 5 years to china; stayed in china for about 3 weeks on per trip. i can responsibly tell you that the smog of shanghai was no worse than that of new york city!
Valerie Keller, the lady in blue, has some good points that might not work. Eric Li caught everyone's attention when he proposed that the solution lies outside the Western capitalist system.
this Valerie Keller is so naive. Just betting on enterpreneurs' awareness will prove to be futile. 1/ there r too few of them; 2/ they will lose their competitveness quickly.
Valerie basically confirmed that the western way of govt cannot solve global issues. She had the chance to join govt, but felt that the energy was not there. Thus agreeing with Eric that capitalism as a form of govt is ossified and cannot pivot to meet future challenges
I don't think so she is naive or childish, I think she is bad. She is the beneficiary of capitalism, she is the spokesperson of the capitalists, so she can only say so.
Eric: China is great ... Capitalism is facing lots of issues, it should get changed but probably won't the lady: Shanghai air pollution Eric: pollution is about: ... it's hard for companies to do this because ... the lady: blame Soviet me: how cute is she
Valerie Keller suggests nothing but to blacken all community countries. Shanghai has no mist these days. No one would say it is normal to have mist around.
At the beginning of 2019, the book "American Trap" co-authored by former French Alstom executive Frederic Pierucci and a French journalist was published in France, which caused a huge response. The book uses Pierucci's personal experience to expose the inside story of the US government's crackdown on the integration of US companies.
According to our Chinese people, unless Ms. The lady in blue and most other entrepreneurs are 9 times reincarnation of a saint. (10 times reincarnation of a saint is someone who has been reincarnated ten times, each time as an absolutely kind and caring person, and 10 times reincarnation of a saint has been perfected and will have a bright future). Otherwise, businesses could not play a key role in important social matters，Especially if it's for the public good.
Valerie is not naive at all although her argument is. She and her organization is trying very hard to formulate an argument against government regulation. Big corps love her very much. It’s a economically false argument but the public will accept it, because it’s emotionally comforting.
lol. This video has obtained over 300 thousands views in a chinese video platform while here only over 1000. Do westerns lack of interest on the serious topics?
I just finished the course 'International Political Economy' last year, can't agree more about what Eric says. The CSR is not gonna work since corporations are mean to make profits for its stake holders.
Ha ha ha! Valerie says she's a pragmatist. That was soo funny. I will tell you what. She makes a good comedian. And she also said she's not naive. But she thinks the CEO's will act in the interest of humanity. To think that, and then say you are not naive, is comedy gold.
30:34 "Where's the energy of how things can move quickly in this system?" Does she know that the hospital built in Wuhan in 10 days is co-built by hundreds of state-own companies?
When a project cannot be profitable or requires long-term investment to generate profit, capitalists are unwilling to invest, such as desert control, environmental renovation, infrastructure construction, etc. Everyone knows that these projects are beneficial to all mankind, but No profit or very little profit, so capitalists are selfish. At the same time, this is why government leadership is needed.
Personal opinion: Many issues that we are dealing with today, such as the pandemic and environmental issues, are urgent and widely influential. Therefore, there needs comprehensive, long-term, and flexible strategies; and there needs a society to efficiently enforce those strategies. China was not the only nation in history achieved such society. In many ways, I think there is many similarities between today's China and FDR's USA, such as people are more responsible to others. Looking back into history, there are many failed examples of socialist society, capitalist society, totalitarian society, and democratic society...No matter what name they called themselves, a common phenomenon of these failed societies is that they all abandoned their public interest, and allowed the society's strength to work for a small group's personal interest. I have lived in China for 17 years and the US for 12 years. I used to prefer capitalism and liberalism, but now I am more intending to paternalism and socialism. I think a good effect of socialism is that people are more likely to consider their responsibility to the society rather than their own wealth. I believe if we cannot value others' benefits as equally important or even more important than our own, we will not only lost our motivation to become political rational people, but also achieve a polarized society rather than the true democracy.
These are some comments from Gideon Rachman ( Financial Times): " the Xi government’s imprisonment of more than 1m Uighur Muslims in “re-education” camps in the province of Xinjiang. The Chinese government reacts ferociously to any criticism of its policies towards the Uighurs, so I’m interested to see how Li will handle this topic." THIS WRITER IS JUST READING AND LISTENING TO US GOVERNMENT AND WESTERN NEWS. FOR HIM TO VERIFY THAT, HE NEED TO TRAVEL TO XINJIANG, OR TALK TO CLOSELY FRIENDS AND PEERS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE. IN XINJIANG PROVINCE , THERE ARE OVER 20,000 MOSQUES. NOT EVEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF THE US HAS HALF OF THAT. " Li, however, may already be paying another price for the increasingly authoritarian tone of Xi’s China - and the rise in antagonism between China and the west." AUTHORITARIAN TONE OF XI ? DOESN'T ALL PRESIDENTS SOUNDS AUTHORITARIAN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? WHERE THIS WRITER LIVES, IN LALA LAND ? ANTOGONISM.SO WHO STARTRS WITH ANTAGONIZING. WHO IS THE INITIATOR OF ACCUSATION, AND DEMONIZATION. IS THE US GOVERNMENT THAT STARTS INSULTING AND DEMEANING. SO WHEN SOMEONE DEFENDS ITSELF FROM ACCUSATION, THEN YOU CALL IT ANTAGONIZING ? COMMON BE REAL. THIS IS RIDICOLOUS. "I point out to Li that he is somebody who appears to relish debate and argument" IF YOU ARE IN A DEBATE OF POLITICAL SUBJECTS, WHY DON'T BE RELISHED AND HAVE A GRETA ENERGY TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. THAT YOUR GUEST BE TAME, MELOW, LOW ENERGY, NO LIFE,... THIS IS RIDICULOUS. THIS WRITER HAVE ZERO OBJECTIVITY.
I don't think we can rely on each individual to do the right thing that is why we have laws and police to enforce them. Cos Evey individual are driven by their own interest not by a collective goal. Just as I don't think corporation will act In The interest of the of the community. It need to be coming from above that represents the common.
the lady in blue " CEOs are changing" yeah but that's political opportunism. These wealthy people need to stay out of politics cause they let the world burn. She wants "responsible business" wtf is that.
The lady in blue reflected the capitalism leadership reacting the problem. She just saying she thinking a lots as excuse, but she never find a solution so ever to fix the problem. Basically, she just saying she care they are trying to fix, but the reality is she do not know how to fix the real problem, close the eyes and saying I care, I care, ....but never ever fix the real problem. It is a deeper bullshit. The reality is never fix at all. Capitalism country need a politic change I guess if they do not change, the people will start a hot politic revolution for future. Otherwise, capitalism like CEO never think about this question at all. The capitalism leadership short intelligent and courage. Capitalism CEO take advantage about those bullshit political environmental.
Blue lady uses a lot of words to confuse people. To think that profit-driven CEOs will respond in the way that she described is both naive and unpragmatic.
Government is to create rules and regulations Essential jobs such as education, transport (bus, trains....) Oil, gas, electric power, road , health care, waste management should be state owned / partly state owned. Business is to create profit , products and jobs It is not the CEO job to fight climate change,but the government can give incentives if they do. It is the government that should implement rules and regulations to benefit generations to come, to provide an equal playing field for its people.
Lady in the blue, you are too optimistic about the CEO of international company to do what you described ! Government needs to set a rules to control that it simple as that
We are interconnected people of the world, everyone is entitled to express herself or himself without fear of being judged. Our common humanity goal, is to be able to feel safe among human. Some people called it democratic value. We are much more capable of compassion than most other animal species. We cared for other species not because they are non venomous or had no teeth. We cared because we shared this world together.
The lady in blue.....you are certainly living in a different world than I’m; relying on business CEO to make a significant difference other than profits? Wishful thinking, girl, wishful thinking
The woman in blue is verbose and all over the place. I couldn't keep track of what she was saying. What's with her shoes. Does she have a whip in her handbag?
This kind of argument is meaningless. The world is always dualist approached. We need both competition and cooperation, as well as individualism and collectivenism, capitalism and socialism. Principle is not that complicated to catch. The difficulties are just those resistance who generate to maintain their owned interests forever. China is moving on a right track. State buys back the major existing interests as public infrastructure from private owners via delivering potential wealthy future for them to explore. China is actually a socialism based capitalism. It acts like making a big combo pizza, the flat bread base is mainly made of state owned enterprises, and private business seem like the various stuffs on the base and government acts as the cheese.
All primitive societies were innately democracy. Democracy had failed in ancient Greece, where the modern idea of democracy incepted, and will fail again for democracy is incompatible with human nature--- greed (profit--driven).
In last century, how to connect mankind and share common ideas safety, fair, justice, equality. I think capitalism was doing really good in post world war 2 period. But unfortunately after Thatcher Reagan new liberalism become popular, capitalism hijacked western political society. In 21st century, we were suppose to focus on develop our planet, But sadly there are war after wars happened in Middle East and Africa. These wars created giant companies in US but not even a cent goes to American people... So there is no hope for business leaders to build our world better, unleashed capital should be bring back on to right track again... Finally we need a hero.
When Trump rejected the 2.4 Trillion rescue package today, stock markets rising trend suddenly dropped like a rock around 3pm. What a reverse of fortune.
like a old saying in USA (《spider man》):with great power comes great responsibility. we all know government is more powerful than any company, government is the most powerful organization in the world.. so the responsibility of make the country better, must depend on government, the responsibility of make the world better, must depend on some top powerful governments like USA China Japan German . depend on company or CEO? you must be kidding. yes , if some company grow very big very powerful more than government...well, it is possible(but very very small). but it would be a totally dictatorship because in the law, company has no responsibility for republic, but government has
although government should serve the people save the the world....but for some reason..they failed... why? because government lead the country, and president lead the government.. if the president have no willing to serve people(it is possible just look at trump...) then the government can't get his job(serve the people) done... to me , the way or system that choose president in USA, has a very big problem. how could the system let such a selfish guy trump become president? a good system should only let good leader become president, agree? so the system in USA must be improve or the trumps will become president again and again.. and people suffer...
dont tell me if president doing bad job, people can abandon trump 4 years later.... this just looks like a big gamble...or people just some lab mice? to see the president has good leadership or not?
I won't call it capitalist, What capital? they hire no one, train no one, support no one but themselves so no human capital. No money, but only fiat currency, so no financial capital. Primary commodities always the same, only speculating, short selling up & down like a yoyo. 2ndary commodities, plants, factories, machineries are mainly in China or Asia, These are the real capital which need the primary commodities which are also real capital but its price dictated by the manufacturers in Asia which in turn depends on how the American troops in more than 800 bases around the world to "maintain peace" & "stable" regimes in Africa, Mid East & Latin America There for I'd call they are the "bondist". they're selling & purchasing BONDS or "debtist" since bond is debt. All they do is manipulating debts. They're thriving on debts. So BONDISM is my new term for a new school of economics. If you speculate Bit coin I will call you a Cloudist, since your wealth is in the cloud.
Oh hush, or your rant might wake the Western leftists who hated their capitalist roommates so much they started sleeping in their bed. To you know, keep an eye on the evil evil capitalists. While they slept. Under the same covers. But seriously, nice post. It's just so frustrating how baizuo keep trying to "defeat capitalism" by "understanding capital better than capitalists" while repeatedly betraying the real average Joe of society in practice or rhetoric.
you people talk too much about going green environment, going green need highly expenses like buying electrical cars, walk to work, cycling to work , take transit to work.. we are just the working class we live through pay cheque by pay cheque, we don't have money to spend like you rich people, we don't have time to spend extra 2 hours to commute to work, because we need to taking care of our kids to school, groceries shopping, cooking, etc..., will you rich people give us money to go green with you???????? how much will you give us? a penny, a dime or a loonie? :))))
Cuz she can't come up with any supporting evidence for her points other than anecdotes LOL. Nothing to do with gender. People like you are why the society is so polarized. Your statement is the same as "why am I not respected the same as Einstein? Is it because I'm a woman?" Are you hearing yourself?
Comment section filled with good obedient communist party members, and all insulting the "lady in the blue dress" lol. Just because she dared to mention the smog around Shanghai lol. I like Eric Li, thats why i watched this, but im no communist. Valerie, the lady in blue, is intellectual force to be reckonded with and i would love to see her and Eric formally debate ideas. You see we can have debates in the USA. Unlike China where everyones too afraid to speak out against its authoritarian criminal government lol
Coming for Eric
The lady in blue was offended. She felt the need to state she's not naive and she thinks a lot. It's a defensive reaction when someone feels stupid about themselves. There's not enough clarity in her logic. She almost equates pollution with socialism as she brought up Shanghai smog and Russian lake polution. She also implied high moral standard and a care for the eninvronment comes from a capitalist society. These are just irrelevant.
by the way us or uk or other countries，they all have pollution problems when they were in a high speed develop period. so it have nothing to do with system！！it is about balance development and environment！
@@rachelz9064 This lady is basically saying:
1. communists only care about their own development and blame western companies for not protect the environment
2. we should learn and teach our kids the importance of protecting the environment
In conclusion: Those companies cannot prevent us from saving the environment, and we cannot prevent companies pollute the environment. Plus blame communists.
@@zw8608 So she did nothing
Ya, felt that when she mentioned Shanghai
Lady in blue talk talk talk no action.
Agreed with Eric, capitalism is by nature profit-driven. When we look more deeply into the companies within the system, the companies decision based on market factors as well as competition, there is no way for any CEO of a company to make a costly socially responsible non-profit decision in the long run before the company makes a lot of profit.
The government requires making rules and regulations to create a fair playing field for companies to compete in a socially responsible way. And organize the government spending to lead the focus into the required area. The capitalist government that highly influenced or captured by the big business simply cannot do it.
When you want to transform capitalism to a “conscious capitalism“, it’s no longer capitalism as it is. When you keep asking the government to provide incentives to solve these problems while asking for lower and lower taxes, this is like where the fed is now (negative rates). Society end up subsidizing businesses to fix problems they cause with no money left for other civil (socialist) issues. The see the fear of even mentioning socialism or rejecting public/private ownership is keeping us from thinking outside the box. We’ll still end up talking about this same issues in a decades time because we’re too stuck on certain ideology.
Liz Alderman, please make sure everyone has the equal time frame to speak in, as that's what a moderator does. The one inspiring speaker, Eric Li, was silenced, while allowing Valerie Keller to speak 25 years old stuff. Is this the kind of inequality created by Capitalist countries?
I notice that too. I think it's call ear blocking. Their own ears of course, not Eric's.
The blue lady is really good at stirring muddy water and confusing audiences with lengthy empty phrases : “we can do it; there is a lot of hope; let’s work together” answers with no essence but can never be wrong no matter what the question is.
Typical liberal virtue signaling. It’s just shows how empty their ideology is
Agree! I almost fell for it! 🙈
Eric Li😎 sharp as a razor blade 🤟
16:50, "smog coming back over shanghai"? i took two trips every year in a period of last 5 years to china; stayed in china for about 3 weeks on per trip. i can responsibly tell you that the smog of shanghai was no worse than that of new york city!
Beijing, Lanzhou and Xi'an, these three companies are the most air-polluted, not include Shanghai :)
@@zw8608 those tree you listed are cities. for 2019 index, none of those three cities were listed on top 50 most polluted cities in the world.
@@ipfreak Yeah I should say they "were". Beijing used to be over 1000, Xi'an was 800 but I cannot find any reliable source for now.
The point wasn't about pollution.
@@kayem3824 incorrect premise invalidate your conclusion or "point"
Eric is the only reason I'm watching it
Eric Li used just 20 seconds from 25:00 to 25:20 to hit the core issue of capitalism. wow.
The silence after his statement was deafening. Mic drop
Valerie Keller, the lady in blue, has some good points that might not work. Eric Li caught everyone's attention when he proposed that the solution lies outside the Western capitalist system.
white left is what she is
Decades later, the talking is still the talking.
I am also here for Eric Li.
this Valerie Keller is so naive. Just betting on enterpreneurs' awareness will prove to be futile. 1/ there r too few of them; 2/ they will lose their competitveness quickly.
Eric calmly roasting the lot of them.
That's our boy. He's like this everywhere he go.
Valerie basically confirmed that the western way of govt cannot solve global issues. She had the chance to join govt, but felt that the energy was not there. Thus agreeing with Eric that capitalism as a form of govt is ossified and cannot pivot to meet future challenges
Sorry to point this out, but Valerie, you surely are naive.
20:10 Eric was like: kill me now it’s too long bro
Well we’ll well, I’ve never seen a more naive person than lady Valerie. Not only naive, but also childish.
I don't think so she is naive or childish, I think she is bad.
She is the beneficiary of capitalism, she is the spokesperson of the capitalists, so she can only say so.
Either bad or naive, haha. 非傻即坏。which one you gonna choose 😜😜😜
I don't think she's naive, I think she's hoping the ppl watching are naive.
Too simple, sometimes naive
@@Dragons_Armory too young, too simple, sometimes naive, quoted in a complete version
The blond in blue just goes round in circles, her talks lack focus. Very hard to retain the points she's trying to make.
Eric: China is great ... Capitalism is facing lots of issues, it should get changed but probably won't
the lady: Shanghai air pollution
Eric: pollution is about: ... it's hard for companies to do this because ...
the lady: blame Soviet
me: how cute is she
Valerie Keller suggests nothing but to blacken all community countries. Shanghai has no mist these days. No one would say it is normal to have mist around.
She doesn't even care about pollution.
At the beginning of 2019, the book "American Trap" co-authored by former French Alstom executive Frederic Pierucci and a French journalist was published in France, which caused a huge response. The book uses Pierucci's personal experience to expose the inside story of the US government's crackdown on the integration of US companies.
too bad French government gave no support, not like China in Huawei case
According to our Chinese people, unless Ms. The lady in blue and most other entrepreneurs are 9 times reincarnation of a saint. (10 times reincarnation of a saint is someone who has been reincarnated ten times, each time as an absolutely kind and caring person, and 10 times reincarnation of a saint has been perfected and will have a bright future). Otherwise, businesses could not play a key role in important social matters，Especially if it's for the public good.
Valerie is not naive at all although her argument is. She and her organization is trying very hard to formulate an argument against government regulation. Big corps love her very much. It’s a economically false argument but the public will accept it, because it’s emotionally comforting.
lol. This video has obtained over 300 thousands views in a chinese video platform while here only over 1000. Do westerns lack of interest on the serious topics?
Westerners are mostly in denial based on false belief that collapse of Soviet Union was due to their push for capitalism.
By looking at the comments, I think most people who watched it here are also Chinese
Grumpy rabbit Indeed
Short answer: Yes
And it is excruciatingly frustrating.
It's because people don't care what rich valeries have to say.
I just finished the course 'International Political Economy' last year, can't agree more about what Eric says. The CSR is not gonna work since corporations are mean to make profits for its stake holders.
Ha ha ha! Valerie says she's a pragmatist. That was soo funny. I will tell you what. She makes a good comedian. And she also said she's not naive. But she thinks the CEO's will act in the interest of humanity. To think that, and then say you are not naive, is comedy gold.
Eric Li the GOAT
When all those CEOs wake up, the world would have ended for millennium.
W0W. it has been proven that Dr LI IS SO RIGHT few years ago.
The Lady in blue fears more the smog in Shanghai than the covid virus 😄😄😄
Yeah all we need is more leadership from CEOs
So naive lady, though she had spent over 40 years......
30:34 "Where's the energy of how things can move quickly in this system?" Does she know that the hospital built in Wuhan in 10 days is co-built by hundreds of state-own companies?
The blue dress lady said a lot but also nothing.
Valerie Keller's talk is so hollow, empty, boring and long.
She dominated the conversation yet told the audience nothing.
When a project cannot be profitable or requires long-term investment to generate profit, capitalists are unwilling to invest, such as desert control, environmental renovation, infrastructure construction, etc. Everyone knows that these projects are beneficial to all mankind, but No profit or very little profit, so capitalists are selfish. At the same time, this is why government leadership is needed.
Wow, she could really speak for a whole day if given the chance.
Personal opinion: Many issues that we are dealing with today, such as the pandemic and environmental issues, are urgent and widely influential. Therefore, there needs comprehensive, long-term, and flexible strategies; and there needs a society to efficiently enforce those strategies.
China was not the only nation in history achieved such society. In many ways, I think there is many similarities between today's China and FDR's USA, such as people are more responsible to others. Looking back into history, there are many failed examples of socialist society, capitalist society, totalitarian society, and democratic society...No matter what name they called themselves, a common phenomenon of these failed societies is that they all abandoned their public interest, and allowed the society's strength to work for a small group's personal interest.
I have lived in China for 17 years and the US for 12 years. I used to prefer capitalism and liberalism, but now I am more intending to paternalism and socialism. I think a good effect of socialism is that people are more likely to consider their responsibility to the society rather than their own wealth. I believe if we cannot value others' benefits as equally important or even more important than our own, we will not only lost our motivation to become political rational people, but also achieve a polarized society rather than the true democracy.
When are we going to learn from the history that human being relying on consciousness
When I heard the fire in California, I felt encouraged too!
If I have a talk show, I would never invite the lady in Blue
Eric Li!
This is a good channel, why it have so less subscribers?
These are some comments from Gideon Rachman ( Financial Times):
" the Xi government’s imprisonment of more than 1m Uighur Muslims in “re-education” camps in the province of Xinjiang. The Chinese government reacts ferociously to any criticism of its policies towards the Uighurs, so I’m interested to see how Li will handle this topic."
THIS WRITER IS JUST READING AND LISTENING TO US GOVERNMENT AND WESTERN NEWS. FOR HIM TO VERIFY THAT, HE NEED TO TRAVEL TO XINJIANG, OR TALK TO CLOSELY FRIENDS AND PEERS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE. IN XINJIANG PROVINCE , THERE ARE OVER 20,000 MOSQUES. NOT EVEN THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF THE US HAS HALF OF THAT.
" Li, however, may already be paying another price for the increasingly authoritarian tone of Xi’s China - and the rise in antagonism between China and the west."
AUTHORITARIAN TONE OF XI ? DOESN'T ALL PRESIDENTS SOUNDS AUTHORITARIAN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? WHERE THIS WRITER LIVES, IN LALA LAND ?
ANTOGONISM.SO WHO STARTRS WITH ANTAGONIZING. WHO IS THE INITIATOR OF ACCUSATION, AND DEMONIZATION.
IS THE US GOVERNMENT THAT STARTS INSULTING AND DEMEANING.
SO WHEN SOMEONE DEFENDS ITSELF FROM ACCUSATION, THEN YOU CALL IT ANTAGONIZING ? COMMON BE REAL. THIS IS RIDICOLOUS.
"I point out to Li that he is somebody who appears to relish debate and argument"
IF YOU ARE IN A DEBATE OF POLITICAL SUBJECTS, WHY DON'T BE RELISHED AND HAVE A GRETA ENERGY
TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT. THAT YOUR GUEST BE TAME, MELOW, LOW ENERGY, NO LIFE,...
THIS IS RIDICULOUS. THIS WRITER HAVE ZERO OBJECTIVITY.
Please Visit the World first before Comments:-OUT DATED USA KEYBOARD WARRIORS😊😅😂
@@kennyyap9745 What the Hell you are talking about Charlie Brown. You want Cartoon drawings to understand ?
Horrible.
Go back to school kid.
the lady in blue with her stream of bs is part of the problem.
I don't think we can rely on each individual to do the right thing that is why we have laws and police to enforce them. Cos Evey individual are driven by their own interest not by a collective goal. Just as I don't think corporation will act In The interest of the of the community. It need to be coming from above that represents the common.
the lady in blue " CEOs are changing" yeah but that's political opportunism. These wealthy people need to stay out of politics cause they let the world burn. She wants "responsible business" wtf is that.
This Valerie lady in blue can really talk a long time without saying anything of value. I want my 30 min back.
The lady in blue reflected the capitalism leadership reacting the problem. She just saying she thinking a lots as excuse, but she never find a solution so ever to fix the problem. Basically, she just saying she care they are trying to fix, but the reality is she do not know how to fix the real problem, close the eyes and saying I care, I care, ....but never ever fix the real problem. It is a deeper bullshit. The reality is never fix at all. Capitalism country need a politic change I guess if they do not change, the people will start a hot politic revolution for future. Otherwise, capitalism like CEO never think about this question at all. The capitalism leadership short intelligent and courage. Capitalism CEO take advantage about those bullshit political environmental.
李世默老师好
If realisation with a focus doesn't bring any outcome, no matter how high the awareness and agreement have been reached, it's still a waste of time
Blue lady uses a lot of words to confuse people. To think that profit-driven CEOs will respond in the way that she described is both naive and unpragmatic.
Government is to create rules and regulations
Essential jobs such as education, transport (bus, trains....) Oil, gas, electric power, road , health care, waste management should be state owned / partly state owned.
Business is to create profit , products and jobs
It is not the CEO job to fight climate change,but the government can give incentives if they do. It is the government that should implement rules and regulations to benefit generations to come, to provide an equal playing field for its people.
why does nobody watch this?
blue woman, do you know that CEOs are employees and can be fired if they failed to delivery profits to the shareholders
Lady in the blue, you are too optimistic about the CEO of international company to do what you described ! Government needs to set a rules to control that it simple as that
We are interconnected people of the world, everyone is entitled to express herself or himself without fear of being judged. Our common humanity goal, is to be able to feel safe among human. Some people called it democratic value. We are much more capable of compassion than most other animal species. We cared for other species not because they are non venomous or had no teeth. We cared because we shared this world together.
A seed goes into the ground and produces a million fold. The ground has been exhausted, depleted. Fortunately, the ground has been made redundant.
Eric Li, YYDS!
Really, the GOAT man.
The lady in blue was either naive, or working under the aforementioned capitalist interests.
The lady in blue.....you are certainly living in a different world than I’m; relying on business CEO to make a significant difference other than profits? Wishful thinking, girl, wishful thinking
These Westerners can speak so many things without saying anything, and then Eric starts talking and starts making sense.
Lady in blue talks a lot but say very little. She is talking for the sake of talking, arguing for the sake of arguing.
Tell the U.S. consumers to stop purchasing fashion garments of which the production always happens in developing countries!
Agree with Eric.
The woman in blue is verbose and all over the place. I couldn't keep track of what she was saying. What's with her shoes. Does she have a whip in her handbag?
This kind of argument is meaningless. The world is always dualist approached. We need both competition and cooperation, as well as individualism and collectivenism, capitalism and socialism. Principle is not that complicated to catch. The difficulties are just those resistance who generate to maintain their owned interests forever. China is moving on a right track. State buys back the major existing interests as public infrastructure from private owners via delivering potential wealthy future for them to explore. China is actually a socialism based capitalism. It acts like making a big combo pizza, the flat bread base is mainly made of state owned enterprises, and private business seem like the various stuffs on the base and government acts as the cheese.
Nice modern take on Hegelian dialectics.
I: wow china did really well with covid.
everyone: the lady in blue are naive...
All primitive societies were innately democracy. Democracy had failed in ancient Greece, where the modern idea of democracy incepted, and will fail again for democracy is incompatible with human nature--- greed (profit--driven).
I like this kind of the discuss, no the one at Sep. 30, 2020.
In last century, how to connect mankind and share common ideas safety, fair, justice, equality. I think capitalism was doing really good in post world war 2 period. But unfortunately after Thatcher Reagan new liberalism become popular, capitalism hijacked western political society. In 21st century, we were suppose to focus on develop our planet, But sadly there are war after wars happened in Middle East and Africa. These wars created giant companies in US but not even a cent goes to American people... So there is no hope for business leaders to build our world better, unleashed capital should be bring back on to right track again... Finally we need a hero.
we need a 天降猛男
Capitalists: Sure, like chauvinism, capitalism will change for humanity.
When Trump rejected the 2.4 Trillion rescue package today, stock markets rising trend suddenly dropped like a rock around 3pm. What a reverse of fortune.
Why the blue lady CEO talks about bullshit? LOL
Valerie believes in Santa 🎅 and Jesus still lol
Lady in blue... seriously? ❓
The blue lady spoke too much and spoke nothing.
思想高度境界完全不是一个档次的。。。
22:30 李世默说话时大家脸上表情明显不一样，特别是女士们。不禁让人浮想联翩：难道大家都是他出钱请来的？还是因为他的观点深入人心，得到大家的赞赏？
并不是，而是李先生第二段论证非常有特点，非常针对valerie女士。同样先引用纽约时报新闻，同样从环境问题入手，同样引用了friedman的名言论证自己观点，最后针锋相对回应ceo们解决不了问题。
@@Jerry-gp3ui Valerie论证更为全面而且提出了解决方案但说服力不够。Eric说法虽然有特点但并不是4人中表述最好的，之所以让众人点头是因为有14亿人的成功社会实践背书和他个人的资格和影响力起了一定作用。还有一点就是不能排除这次讨论是观视屏牵头和发起的可能性，因为4人里面没有一个明显挑战他的，可见是筛选过的。遗憾他没有具体提出自己的解决方案。仔细观察：身体语言暴露了很多。
Leon Li 我很仔细观察了，他的肢体语言只是在很积极的构思如何反击，在这么短的时间内，能用同样的内容进行辩论这是大部分人不可能做不到的。你说没有人明显挑战，那我可能得请你好好看视频了，v女士明显是彻底调侃了一番李先生，eg:借用她’’好友’’说看到上海的雾霾回来了才意识到恢复正常了。
@@Jerry-gp3ui 上海雾霾不是要挑战Eric, 而是强调它提醒了世人疫情迫使工业停下来雾霾就消失。因为紧接下来她就提出要在环境和发展做出选择的观点。实际上单就论述来说她是4人中做得最出色的：语言简单流利论点却十分丰富深刻。要说有挑战意味的应该是美国陷阱作者皮埃鲁齐，一直在强调local. 明显的反全球化，暗示了欧洲警惕一带一路和中国渗透的态度。
Leon Li 仁者见仁吧。李先生一开始兴奋的阐述了中国现在多么正常，他在上海跑来跑去之类的，您要觉得她突然来一个上海雾霾是经济正常的体现，这不是挑战，那我也没话说。她的观点也不是选择，而是改变现有的模式而已。
The miracle is over, U.S. was no longer a fair, an attractive heaven of people, justice was gone, it’s done
justice has never been in USA since it was founded, according to my knowledge on American history. Sorry for my straight forward.
like a old saying in USA (《spider man》):with great power comes great responsibility. we all know government is more powerful than any company, government is the most powerful organization in the world..
so the responsibility of make the country better, must depend on government, the responsibility of make the world better, must depend on some top powerful governments like USA China Japan German .
depend on company or CEO? you must be kidding.
yes , if some company grow very big very powerful more than government...well, it is possible(but very very small). but it would be a totally dictatorship because in the law, company has no responsibility for republic, but government has
although government should serve the people save the the world....but for some reason..they failed... why? because government lead the country, and president lead the government.. if the president have no willing to serve people(it is possible just look at trump...) then the government can't get his job(serve the people) done...
to me , the way or system that choose president in USA, has a very big problem. how could the system let such a selfish guy trump become president? a good system should only let good leader become president, agree?
so the system in USA must be improve or the trumps will become president again and again.. and people suffer...
dont tell me if president doing bad job, people can abandon trump 4 years later....
this just looks like a big gamble...or people just some lab mice? to see the president has good leadership or not?
I won't call it capitalist, What capital? they hire no one, train no one, support no one but themselves so no human capital. No money, but only fiat currency, so no financial capital.
Primary commodities always the same, only speculating, short selling up & down like a yoyo.
2ndary commodities, plants, factories, machineries are mainly in China or Asia, These are the real capital which need the primary commodities which are also real capital but its price dictated by the manufacturers in Asia which in turn depends on how the American troops in more than 800 bases around the world to "maintain peace" & "stable" regimes in Africa, Mid East & Latin America
There for I'd call they are the "bondist". they're selling & purchasing BONDS or "debtist" since bond is debt. All they do is manipulating debts. They're thriving on debts. So
BONDISM is my new term for a new school of economics. If you speculate Bit coin I will call you a Cloudist, since your wealth is in the cloud.
Oh hush, or your rant might wake the Western leftists who hated their capitalist roommates so much they started sleeping in their bed. To you know, keep an eye on the evil evil capitalists. While they slept. Under the same covers. But seriously, nice post. It's just so frustrating how baizuo keep trying to "defeat capitalism" by "understanding capital better than capitalists" while repeatedly betraying the real average Joe of society in practice or rhetoric.
Unfortunately she is naive. It's akin to asking the wolves to stop eating sheep, they may pretend to take action but the concept is moot.
Is it possible? Yes. Is it probable? No
Valerie strings a long list of words together to basically say nothing.
you people talk too much about going green environment, going green need highly expenses like buying electrical cars, walk to work, cycling to work , take transit to work.. we are just the working class we live through pay cheque by pay cheque, we don't have money to spend like you rich people, we don't have time to spend extra 2 hours to commute to work, because we need to taking care of our kids to school, groceries shopping, cooking, etc..., will you rich people give us money to go green with you???????? how much will you give us? a penny, a dime or a loonie? :))))
蓝衣女士：我不是天真女孩
CEO of Tesla, Elon Musks does not agree with this blonde lady in blue.
valerie keller is so cringe worthy
get rid of stock exchange market, you maybe able to achieve something.
Valerie Keller is not respected. Milton Friedman is. This is not an impressive conversation as it relates to women in leadership.
Cuz she can't come up with any supporting evidence for her points other than anecdotes LOL. Nothing to do with gender. People like you are why the society is so polarized. Your statement is the same as "why am I not respected the same as Einstein? Is it because I'm a woman?" Are you hearing yourself?
Comment section filled with good obedient communist party members, and all insulting the "lady in the blue dress" lol. Just because she dared to mention the smog around Shanghai lol. I like Eric Li, thats why i watched this, but im no communist. Valerie, the lady in blue, is intellectual force to be reckonded with and i would love to see her and Eric formally debate ideas.
You see we can have debates in the USA. Unlike China where everyones too afraid to speak out against its authoritarian criminal government lol
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A lot of CCP propaganda in the comment section.