I think he struck a nerve when he mentioned the American genocide of native Indians, compared to Tibetan population even doubling after Chinese incorporation.
@@2KSnSLifestyle No he was talking about the Tibetans. Who when they were taken over in the late 50's were a feudal society, run by the Dali Lama and the monks. The Uighur were never taken over, they just lived with other ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang province, and they have indeed multiplied in numbers in recent times. If memory serves, from 2 million to 12 million. You may want to check that. They and other ethnic minorities were not subject to the 1 child policy, while the Han ethnic group was.
why not white Americans go back to Europe and give America to Native American? Criticising China over Tibet issue is ridiculous! 2 facts. Tibet became part of China since 13th century and please search online or go to the library to find out this fact. Second, the population of Tibetans almost tripled since 1951. When European first came to America, there were 20-25 million native Americans. Now, where are they?
The west finds democracy the best political system and thus believes it should be universal even it has many problems itself. Without this universal concept people are uncomfortable as if they're without the support of a religion. The Chinese believe the political system should be of an ever evolving nature thus they cannot tell what exactly their ultimate political system will be. It's very difficult for the west to understand the Chinese concept, at least in the coming decade or so.
@ cs c, you are absolutely right. The very concept is so foreign to the West that it is out of their comfort zone. The Western dominance for the passed century has afforded them a belief their values are universal truths.
I never buy the west's claims about their belief in their so-called universally best political system.ie democracy. If one learnt nothing of how the west itself sabotaged and destroyed the democratic systems in some countries, while at the same time give full support to monarchial and military dictatorships, then it only show how ignorant and un-educated one is. Even here the days of colonisation is not included.
Several people praised Eric for his bravery in speaking out. does this mean that in their environment, it needs courage to praise the Chinese government. Does it mean there is real freedom of speech?
When it comes to dealing with countries around the world, China's policy is to respect each other's internal affairs and culture, while the Western policy is to promote so-called freedom and democracy. Which policy is more democratic? I believe that if democracy cannot be promoted in a democratic way, it is not democratic
When countries cannot produce a healthy society of its own, where almost entire nation cannot benefit in all aspects of growth, it is absurd, ludicrous for those countries to go around the world demanding 'corrections' from other countries with cultural differences from it's own. No different than going into your neighbors' houses to criticize how they live. People flatter themselves when they believe in their own higher moral ground, actually, those are the countries with the most internal problems.
I wonder why Li doesn't frame the Africa / intervention / genocide issue in terms of China's colonial past. Surely that informs the Chinese perspective of not intervening in others' cultures?
If ones doesn’t understand China, he can’t debate with Eric li because he has established his own story circuit. But if one understands china, he clearly know what the flaw is. For one, Chinese society has been religious throughout the history. The atheism only begun after ccp took over. So it is not the Chinese people rather the ccp are atheists. Another one, Chinese traditional ideology also promotes humanity and the equality of all mankind called 人文主义 and 天下大同. It is rather different than the nationalism ideology that Eric advocate.
Chinese have been superstitious but they are not religious under overwhelming Confucianist influence for nearly two thousand years. Superstition and Religion are two different things or two different stages, the former primitive and intuitive, latter often tends to be much more developed yet more fundamental thus more confining (as shown in Christianity and Islamism). I suggest u go read Lin Yutang's My Country and My People to gain some insights into the Chinese society from a Chinese Christian perspective.
@@顾成-u8i Widely considered by who? U know 银河 is not a river and I really hope you are not a 杠精 though u seem to have great potential for that given your lack of most needed common sense over such fundamental issues...
I fail to see anything unique about the heritage and traditions of Chinese political system and the culture such a system fosters: a feudal empire and a culture defined by an ideology - Confucianism - that reinforces the rigid social hierarchy and status quo, much like how Christianity functioned during the middle ages in the West. Mr. Li wouldn't be the eloquent free thinking person he is today if he never left China.
Compare what the western people have done to the world in the past and present day and things done by Chinese, you will understand which one is more peaceful
I disagree with Mr. E. Li again what he said about Tibetan population has doubled since Chinese took over contradicts what actually happened in Tibet. Lots of Han Chinese have migrated to Tibet and Tibetan become a minority in their homeland.
Becoming minority doesn't mean genocide, doesn't mean bullying. When you immigrate to another country, you become the minority. In the old time, when there is no sense of nation, no sense of boundary, large population immigrate all the time. What is actually happening there? I don't know. What I know is the minority has been better protected by the law than us. The got lots of supported by the government. Please, stop telling stories as if you really know.
Jammy, please go to China and see yourself what kind of country China actually is. Then you have better and realistic information to talk about China. Don’t blindly trust your media
This number calculation is not to calculate the population of the province, but only the population of the Tibetans. Does not include Han people in Tibet.
You are correct DF L-I have heard over 10, and this was recorded in 2011. A special thanks to AI, but sadly a group of ill-informed, hypocritical globalist.
These people speak of genocide in Africa with Chinese investments, but for the last 100 years Africa has gone thru repeated genocides wt European colonialism.
Anyone with understanding and ability to view the world in a balance way would come to the same conclusion, sadly few people in the so called western educated world have such valuable understanding of humanity
Eric was polite enough not to discuss the root cause of the genocide that happened in Africa, which is the European colonialism that exploited that continent for hundreds of years, with extremely bad governing policies and practices in that continent, leaving behind them a huge mess among different African nationalities.
A lot of Eric's points are very accurate, esp about western society individualism concepts coming from religion and capitalism interests of the west (Wall St) superseding that of the nation state. China is totally a different civilisation than the west, and therefore western concepts will not work in China.
And the centuries of slavery, the Anti-Chinese laws of the 1890's and the War with Mexico that stole half of Mexico's land. Numerous coups in Latin America and the list of human rights violations goes on and on.
老李能用西方人的语言舌战群儒，侃侃而谈，无论风度气质都远胜落入意识形态窠臼的主持人和观众。反过来，有哪个西方学者可以用中文来一辩高下？ 诚如Martin Jacques在他TED演讲里说过一句：East Asia is far more knowledgeable of west than that of West to East Asia. 这里留言的诸君，虽然都是用英语，但也是中国人居多。没有调查就没有发言权，西方学者们的傲慢和偏见可以休矣。还是老老实实学好中文再来谈中国问题吧！
Exactly. When i see the poor white working class angry and jobless and blacks still living in poverty and native Americans and hispanica living in bad conditions for being a developed rich nation it makes me angry such things exist in high numbers. America should be the last to lecture about poverty and law. The two are so horrible in america that healthcare and poverty is still a big issue
I have been back tracking Eric's speeches, very interesting to see how he evolve his ideas. And how accurate it has been, never seen him having trouble with any question. In 2011 he was more a speech brawler combating the whole venue by himself, today Eric is less controversial and trying more to educate and transform others ideas.
Yes same. And I think the successful nature of his world view re: China and the West has opened up new opportunities to help shape a potential structure of what china should promote on the international stage -esp wrt recent democracy conference
I tend to agree Eric's point that the west has religious mentality about human rights and political system. All western religions must have an almighty god as reference, while Chinese religions are much more pragmatic and not ideological at all. Chinese do not care about if there is one god in the universe, or the god is almighty or not. These questions are beyond the capability of human beings.
I wouldn't characterise China as successful either, they're both developing countries. India has a GDP per capita of $9000 while China has $21,000. For reference, the average European country has $45,000. I think it will take at least another 30 years for India and China to be truly developed and successful.
@Qing Tong I was stating the PPP figures. India's GDP per capita is $2000 by nominal standard and $9000 by PPP standard. Similarly, China's per capita GDP is $10,000 by nominal standards and $21,000 by PPP standards. According to the UN, China is already a developed country. But clearly the living standards in China are far below that of Western countries, and it will take at least 30 years for China to catch up; 10 years is simply not enough.
@@abhishekmhatre1554 , if you measure GDP per capita on PPP basis, China will exceed the West in 10 years (even taking into account the global economic upset caused by COVID-19). I am not certain if the world's resources could cope with a Chinese absolute GDP per capita of $45k.
@@abhishekmhatre1554 You are right, China's GDP needs to be at least three times that of the US, which will take at least 30 years, which is also in line with world Bank forecasts
You can tell China is much respected by their policy of non interference in the third world by the African man himself. Eric has reiterated many times they are doing business with Africa and it is up to African nations to decide the rules. China just plays by the rules of Africa to try and get the best deal for themselves. If you call that neo colonialism or modern day imperialism then Western colonialism must of been hell itself. Stop making judgements you white people who live in wealthy nations; you know little of how others in the third world live.
Learn to read and comprehend what the point being made is idiot. I am talking about China as a country interacting with other nations outside of China. You are talking about Africans immigrating/working in China. They are completely different things. Damn when did the western world become so dumb that they can't even comprehend sentences in their own language. I'm talking about how governments behave and you're talking about racial tensions. Damn I'm frustrated that I even have to explain my previous comment. Its like talking to a wall or someone that doesn't have a brain.
You mentioned white people who live in wealthy nations. The question is how they became "wealthy" in the first place. Don't you think they became wealthy from all the lootings they did and is still doing in those "poor" nations that they once colonised?
I was recently watching a lot of eric li video and I found your comments under many of them, my friend. I am very curious to know what is your view on Eric's perspective of the whole China issue.
@@1tan269 I am busy now but I will paste a response that I once typed into another topic perhaps it explains my feelings: I am 3rd generation Canadian who has vacationed extensively in USA, but in 2014 spent 1/2 a year traveling through China. My eyes were opened, all my life the western propaganda machine had me believing lies. Walking at night in the down town of major cities in China is safe while trying that in Atlanta or Phoenix, or Miami or Los Angeles is a life threatening experience. I've seen both. America thinks it's free because you can change the government. BUT GOVERNMENT WARS NEVER STOP because the elected officials answer only to corporations and CASH. In China they can't change the government but they are more free to change government policy. Like the policy that pulled 800 million people out of poverty. No American wants to have perpetual war and yet they do. No Chinese wants perpetual war so they don't. Who has more control. Who has more freedom? In China if you want policy changes you either organize a peaceful public display about what needs changing or join the Communist party to effect change from within. We in the west must stop being so hypocritical, changing our government changes nothing. The bombing and sanctions must go on, someone controls that but it sure isn't the voters. We in the west must start understanding that other systems work as well and perhaps better than ours. We meddle in the affairs of virtually every country in the world . Here is a list, that apparently now should have Venezuela added to it American intervention since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 *
@@victoews6842 well, when you have 800 overseas military bases around the world, you gotta use them somehow. btw, as the second largest economy of the world, china has only 5 overseas military bases.
@@victoews6842 I knew the US is a wicked country but I didn't know it is this bad, I can't dispute a single thing you have said. Americans should open their eyes.
Eric has guts. He stimulates your thinking, whether you love him or hate him. One thing that could've made the audience more clear about his position on non-interference of other countries (even if there is a genocide) and let them make decisions for themselves is that China does not force business or cooperation decisions on other countries; China offers them and let them decide (or negotiate) for themselves. Whereas the west, using humanitarian reasons to interfere, often forces their "solution" on others (and resulting in disasters for the countries). The 150 years of humiliation for China started with foreign powers forcing one-sided trade deals with China. In another talk, an African high official (in trade, if I remember correctly) described that when China made a trade deal with his country, and the contract was already signed, he felt it was unfair to his country and complained to China. He was surprised to find out that the China side was quite willing to re-negotiate and in the end he was able to procure a new contract much more beneficial to his country. This method of foreign dealings does involve time and pain and learning, but ultimately it is respectful of the country you're dealing with, and helps both sides to learn and grow.
I think it was a former Finance Minister of Greece, Yanis Varoufakis or maybe there‘s another case from Africa, I listen to Gyude Moore from Liberia, another one worth to know. And the Uyghur genocide has been debunked by many.
@@greentea8852 my man I glad you know the real truth and you are spot on about the story renegotiate the trade deal in Greece when Yanis was still a foreign minister. Yes Gyude Moore from Liberia is a good man to watch his v talk because he is telling the truth about the BULLLSHIT DEBT TRAP IN AFRICA where most Westerners don’t want To hear and trying to cover their bulllshit propaganda and big fat lies hahahahaha lol 😂😂🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳!!! I would also like to recommend DEBRA BRAUTIGAM debunk the debt trap in Africa and Shri Lanka hahaha lol 😂😀😀👍👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳💕💕💕💕!!!!
Confucianism is philosophy or understanding human social order. Must remember Confucius was living in time China was clans and warlords and emperors very bloody time. Confucius taught many peoples to make less crimes and help unite china. Some ideas using strong fists to maintain peace and other ideas is to educate people and make them feel they have good roles in society. Confucius is a way to maintain social stability.
If every country and human race adopts China's philosophy..respect other cultures Do onto others as you want others to do onto you ...Confucius .. there will be No GENOCIDE. ..there will be peace on earth. My sincere hope .
Nice to hope, contradiction lies when a segment of their minorities in Western frontier Xinjiang (Formerly called East Turkistan, before China conquered it in the 1950s ) province the People have been castrated, detained in concentration camps, forced labour, and undergoing torturous maltreatment to eradicate from their minds their culture, religion and even sterilisation of their female members to halt their populsation growth, 1 million are in detention going through "cultural reform" . Was not surprising how desensitised the people are when it comes to the mistreated Uygurs in the Xinjiang semi autonomous province . The objections of China's human rights records was disingenuous and selective .
@@khiljinagor8976 you sound a lot like what the western media is talking about Xinjiang, have you actually been to Xinjiang and got those above 'facts' to make your conclusions? Or just blinded accept the selective snapshots info that all western media had been feeding you?
Clare, I agree with you 100% It's been nearly three millennium, Confucius continues to bring harmony, ethics, benevolence, virtue to the Chinese people. It is my believe that Confucianism can bring about a more peaceful world, not that China should impose Confucianism on the rest of the world, that would be a western/US M.O.
Western society tend to be dominated by one ideology, while Chinese mindset was integrated with 3 main ideologies such as Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism (Capitalism and Socialism was later imposed since modern era).
EXTRSORDYNARY INTERVIEW.... MR.ERIK IS CLEAR AND WISE IN IN A WAY THAT SURPRISE A LOT ALL THE TIME.....IT IS FASCINATING THE WORLD WITH A DIFFERENT CULTURES AND VIEWS , INSTEAD OF A MONOLITIC UNIPOLAR AND UNIVERSAL VIEW... VIEW..
Eric didn't address the question at 39:00 regarding just and unjust law well... It s a fallacious comparison...how could the laws of a colonial, foreign regime in an alien land be ever just and justified, their presence in China in the first place is itself unjustifiable .There's no comparison with the laws of a sovereign country. Spot on, the point made at 50:00. Why is the audience is still stuck with converting, intervening in the internal affairs of Africa? Part of the civilising mission syndrome ?
1.About the unjust law question, I think Eric already answered but without further explaining. what he meant is that there are always difference of opinions in society, if someone find a law unjust he can disagree (within legislation)or fight(out of the legal permission), but at the same time he should also take the burdens of breaking the current law(whether it's being jailed or sanctioned). doesn't matter if it is under communist rule or colonial rules, you have to take the consequences of the behavior. However the difference is that, if it is really an unjust law that violating majority of the people, there will be some kind of concessions or there will be endless social unrest. That is the risk taken by the government. 2. About the question of genocide and Chinese in jail, if it is the internal conflict, the outside should be very careful to intervine, it's internal affairs, and how do you know you can create good results for the locals and also for your own people? this is why the West ignored the Rwanda genocide in 1994 (pure cost, no benefit, and uncertain results) while on the case of Chinese citizens in jail, it's a diplomatic problem not pure internal affairs, and of course foreign governments will be involved.
Ai Wei Wei gets trouble by talking up about Gaza and said western world is not much different than China now. Freedom of speech is in the mind of the beholder. People are different so do country too, no such thing as us democracy is one size fits all. Don’t impose others on what you have. Everyone has one own choice.
the fundamental organizing principles of China are: technocracy, internal free-trade Capitalism, and harmony as an unchallenged sovereign in the Asia-Pacific region.
AS for the freedom of speech. One thing I have point out, though I admire the eloquence of Eric, to organize is different from the potential of being able to organize. Maybe Ai Weiwei has been writing, filming video aiming for anti-government, it may be subjugated to local legal violation. But it seems to me that not just the act of organizing anti-government is being banned in China. It as been extended to the potential of it. That means as long as the gov thinks that what you are doing might be promoting the organization, they ban it. One instance is every time I posted discussion video that discusses sensitive posted on youtube onto youku, it is banned. Apparently my move is not to promote any commotion of any sorts but they ban it. that confuses me.
While I do not agree with the genocide part, I mostly agree with Eric Li ideas. Capitalistic and democracy is not the know it all, solve it all system, and in some ways its even dysfunctional and destructive, we need to look further in reforming our system, not meaning abolishing democracy, but change it and improve it. The Meritocracy political system work for China and its culture, but not might not work western cultures and visa versa. However I do think as far as genocide countries need to help and stop it, maybe not countries but a world order like the United Nations. We let wars be fought out, like in North and Sout Korea, but genocide we should not allow, that is a big no no in regard to Eric Li ideas. The rest was perfectly sound.
I can't say for certain about the history but I can tell you it isn't or hasn't been on-going in china for a few decades. I've been to Tibet they do live as free as the rest Chinese people. They are not closed to outsiders either, feel free to visit or check travel vlogs.
Yes! Eric answered this in various interviews in the last few years. The biggest client of the biggest polling company in China is the Chinese government. There is a closed feedback loop to inform the government of how they are doing.
Something I totally disagree with Eric is that if the chinese gov decided to overtake his company for some unknown reason, he would just accept it and walk away. Then my friend, you are not thinking as an individual but just obeying to your master. That's lack of creativity eric
@@qiangwang689 The truth is that you should not let your emotions surpass your thoughts. There are both good things in china and in the west. You need to get the best of both worlds......One should be able to develop his critical thinking without the fear of being reprimanded by the police.
@@mk4883 I never said china is evil or bad compared to the US. Both countries have flaws. One more than the other. But you seem quite ignorant about laws in the US or UK. In the US, they need a judge order but your lawyer can still defend your case if any unless you are a terrorist. In the UK, you can contest the supreme court judgment in the Privy council for a fair trial.
@@mk4883 In a totalitarian country, if it is a criticism against President Xi, most probably not. It all depends what case you are talking about. This is one of the flaws in china. But if you d'ont criticize the gov for its action, then I would say that you probably enjoy about the same liberties as in the west. In the west, you enjoy the freedom of speech. In china , you enjoy the freedom of fear when you get back to your hotel late at night. So, let's be fair in what we say. The west has a lot to learn from china . Likewise, china needs improvements in the freedom of speech or freedom to surf on the internet on any sensible issue.
26:36 - Then let Tibetans, Mongols, Uighurs, Hong Kongers, and everyone else under the PRC to separate, and gain independence and live the way they want to live without han chinese control or influence. Simple.
Lol, long before "commies" took over China from KMT in 1949, these people and their areas have long been part of China... Go back to your mom and get some money for a history book for idiots at least. The idea of national states rooted in feudal European age doesnt work with China or East Asian society, it's a Confucianist society for thousands of years as China has been a civilization state for thousands of years.. I know that's like Greek to u now, but depending on where your mom came from, she might be able to show some respect to one of the greatest ancient civilizations and the only thriving one to this date and its people on their way to modern Renaissance.
As he said there is limit to the citizen choice. It has to be subordinated to the interest of the collective. The stability of the nation is paramount for the individual.
As a venture capitalist in China, Mr. Li must gain the favors and support of the Chinese government. His pro totalitarian system of government stance is perhaps not a conclusion of purely intellectual conviction. How conveniently Mr. Li excused the disastrous mismanagement of Mao with China's economic success today. It is not healthy to idealize Maoist China and China is successful today precisely because the party abandoned Mao's harebrained ideas. Mr. Li lacks intellectual integrity.
I don't see where Eric "excused Mao". He said China itself doesn't yet know the best form of gov't yet, it is evolving. He said that when his father was put in prison it was unfair. China makes many mistakes but it is on a path to constantly reforming itself; watch his TED talk where he speaks about this.
The narrative against Mao was from the Red Scare, McCarthy hearings etc. an honest view of him and his accomplishments would show tremendous strides in development indicators and setting the foundation for China’s higher growth after reform and opening.
Spot on, and this is exactly why younger generation are more pro-socialism and against capitalism nowadays in China, the income gap. And it is somehow true for the US, look at how popular Burnie Sanders become. And you will also find a popularity of the CCP among the young in China recent years.
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Now 2020 everything that Eric talked about make sense.
I think he struck a nerve when he mentioned the American genocide of native Indians, compared to Tibetan population even doubling after Chinese incorporation.
I think he was talking about the Uyghurs.
@@2KSnSLifestyle No he was talking about the Tibetans. Who when they were taken over in the late 50's were a feudal society, run by the Dali Lama and the monks. The Uighur were never taken over, they just lived with other ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang province, and they have indeed multiplied in numbers in recent times. If memory serves, from 2 million to 12 million. You may want to check that. They and other ethnic minorities were not subject to the 1 child policy, while the Han ethnic group was.
@@davidcadman4468 Yup.
@@2KSnSLifestyle not the Uyghurs, they became an issue for the west recently. This talk is 10-11 years ago
The African man at 51:30.
He is right.
why not white Americans go back to Europe and give America to Native American? Criticising China over Tibet issue is ridiculous! 2 facts. Tibet became part of China since 13th century and please search online or go to the library to find out this fact. Second, the population of Tibetans almost tripled since 1951. When European first came to America, there were 20-25 million native Americans. Now, where are they?
Like most good born again Christians, they've all gon-e to Heaven, of course, with a little help from them kind hearted pioneers.
Sadly only about 900,000.
Hats off to Eric Li.
The west finds democracy the best political system and thus believes it should be universal even it has many problems itself. Without this universal concept people are uncomfortable as if they're without the support of a religion.
The Chinese believe the political system should be of an ever evolving nature thus they cannot tell what exactly their ultimate political system will be.
It's very difficult for the west to understand the Chinese concept, at least in the coming decade or so.
@ cs c, you are absolutely right. The very concept is so foreign to the West that it is out of their comfort zone. The Western dominance for the passed century has afforded them a belief their values are universal truths.
I never buy the west's claims about their belief in their so-called universally best political system.ie democracy. If one learnt nothing of how the west itself sabotaged and destroyed the democratic systems in some countries, while at the same time give full support to monarchial and military dictatorships, then it only show how ignorant and un-educated one is. Even here the days of colonisation is not included.
This was before the Belt and Road start which was declared as a proposition just in 2013 by Xijingpin.
12:30
2024.
Ai WeiWei has recently been complaining about the West that the West and China are the same in policing speech. He is not happy anywhere
Several people praised Eric for his bravery in speaking out.
does this mean that in their environment, it needs courage to praise the Chinese government. Does it mean there is real freedom of speech?
When it comes to dealing with countries around the world, China's policy is to respect each other's internal affairs and culture, while the Western policy is to promote so-called freedom and democracy. Which policy is more democratic?
I believe that if democracy cannot be promoted in a democratic way, it is not democratic
A respectful interview that doesn't descend into condescending interruptions, despite opposing views, for once.
When countries cannot produce a healthy society of its own, where almost entire nation cannot benefit in all aspects of growth, it is absurd, ludicrous for those countries to go around the world demanding 'corrections' from other countries with cultural differences from it's own.
No different than going into your neighbors' houses to criticize how they live. People flatter themselves when they believe in their own higher moral ground, actually, those are the countries with the most internal problems.
Did Eric refer to himself as Nana Kwame Adam?
C'mon Eric, write a book! Narrate the audio version yourself.
I wonder why Li doesn't frame the Africa / intervention / genocide issue in terms of China's colonial past. Surely that informs the Chinese perspective of not intervening in others' cultures?
China's colonial past? Can you tell me which country China has colonized? Please get your facts straight!
Turkmenistan is it's own country. Look at a map.
Chinas colonial past??
Please tell me im a historian??? Lol laughable
If ones doesn’t understand China, he can’t debate with Eric li because he has established his own story circuit. But if one understands china, he clearly know what the flaw is. For one, Chinese society has been religious throughout the history. The atheism only begun after ccp took over. So it is not the Chinese people rather the ccp are atheists. Another one, Chinese traditional ideology also promotes humanity and the equality of all mankind called 人文主义 and 天下大同. It is rather different than the nationalism ideology that Eric advocate.
中国的宗教跟西方的宗教可不是一个东西 中国的宗教是世俗化的 除了需要的时候我想你不会每个星期天去拜一次孔庙吧？
Chinese have been superstitious but they are not religious under overwhelming Confucianist influence for nearly two thousand years. Superstition and Religion are two different things or two different stages, the former primitive and intuitive, latter often tends to be much more developed yet more fundamental thus more confining (as shown in Christianity and Islamism). I suggest u go read Lin Yutang's My Country and My People to gain some insights into the Chinese society from a Chinese Christian perspective.
@@alexhe7512 Confucianism is widely considered a religion. That’s what 儒教 about. Not only it influences China but also quite a few countries in Asia.
@@顾成-u8i Widely considered by who? U know 银河 is not a river and I really hope you are not a 杠精 though u seem to have great potential for that given your lack of most needed common sense over such fundamental issues...
@@alexhe7512 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism
I fail to see anything unique about the heritage and traditions of Chinese political system and the culture such a system fosters: a feudal empire and a culture defined by an ideology - Confucianism - that reinforces the rigid social hierarchy and status quo, much like how Christianity functioned during the middle ages in the West. Mr. Li wouldn't be the eloquent free thinking person he is today if he never left China.
Compare what the western people have done to the world in the past and present day and things done by Chinese, you will understand which one is more peaceful
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jchien, you know so little about China, its culture, history, heritage, thought systems ...
With a name like john doe i bet you havent traveled to china or study china lol in order to say that nonsense
I disagree with Mr. E. Li again what he said about Tibetan population has doubled since Chinese took over contradicts what actually happened in Tibet. Lots of Han Chinese have migrated to Tibet and Tibetan become a minority in their homeland.
Becoming minority doesn't mean genocide, doesn't mean bullying. When you immigrate to another country, you become the minority. In the old time, when there is no sense of nation, no sense of boundary, large population immigrate all the time. What is actually happening there? I don't know. What I know is the minority has been better protected by the law than us. The got lots of supported by the government. Please, stop telling stories as if you really know.
Jammy, please go to China and see yourself what kind of country China actually is. Then you have better and realistic information to talk about China. Don’t blindly trust your media
This number calculation is not to calculate the population of the province, but only the population of the Tibetans.
Does not include Han people in Tibet.
Rule 1, do not talk/discuss about topics you do not really know.
This is all nonsense, all of it.
Great talk, after so many years, Eric sounds even more correct
You are correct DF L-I have heard over 10, and this was recorded in 2011. A special thanks to AI, but sadly a group of ill-informed, hypocritical globalist.
I feel sorry for Eric. He had to argue with people who knew so little about China and yet so opinionated.
These people speak of genocide in Africa with Chinese investments, but for the last 100 years Africa has gone thru repeated genocides wt European colonialism.
How can investments lead to genocide? Conversely, genocides can be designed to pave the way for contracts. That was/is the colonial way.
Agree.
I think Mr. Eric Li is highly intelligent, knowledgeable and common sense philosophical guy.
He should have elaborated further on some points. Not everyone can read his mind and they have a wrong assumptions
Eric Lee is head and shoulders above everyone in this room.
Agree 👍😀🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳💕💕
Anyone with understanding and ability to view the world in a balance way would come to the same conclusion, sadly few people in the so called western educated world have such valuable understanding of humanity
Eric was polite enough not to discuss the root cause of the genocide that happened in Africa, which is the European colonialism that exploited that continent for hundreds of years, with extremely bad governing policies and practices in that continent, leaving behind them a huge mess among different African nationalities.
9 year later, Eric did a very accurate prediction....
A lot of Eric's points are very accurate, esp about western society individualism concepts coming from religion and capitalism interests of the west (Wall St) superseding that of the nation state. China is totally a different civilisation than the west, and therefore western concepts will not work in China.
Eric speaks so much truth
talking about human rights , like Eric said , what about native americans.
***** American Human Rights only applies to Americans. Not saying that is right , just stating that is how it is.
danpt2000 only american white。u make a mistake.
And the centuries of slavery, the Anti-Chinese laws of the 1890's and the War with Mexico that stole half of Mexico's land. Numerous coups in Latin America and the list of human rights violations goes on and on.
老李能用西方人的语言舌战群儒，侃侃而谈，无论风度气质都远胜落入意识形态窠臼的主持人和观众。反过来，有哪个西方学者可以用中文来一辩高下？ 诚如Martin Jacques在他TED演讲里说过一句：East Asia is far more knowledgeable of west than that of West to East Asia. 这里留言的诸君，虽然都是用英语，但也是中国人居多。没有调查就没有发言权，西方学者们的傲慢和偏见可以休矣。还是老老实实学好中文再来谈中国问题吧！
有句话是这么说的，胡虏无百年之运。当他们难以掩盖对中国的好奇，全部学中文的时候，全世界都是中国人了，中国文化的千年积累出来的人文情怀将会同化所有人。
中国有个阳和平，不过他比中国人更支持文革lol，是个真正看透历史的人
His view of globalism being benefiting only small percent of ppl in US was pretty accurate about the issues going on in US nine years later.
Exactly. When i see the poor white working class angry and jobless and blacks still living in poverty and native Americans and hispanica living in bad conditions for being a developed rich nation it makes me angry such things exist in high numbers. America should be the last to lecture about poverty and law. The two are so horrible in america that healthcare and poverty is still a big issue
Correct!
@@ishrendon6435 And homeless.
I have been back tracking Eric's speeches, very interesting to see how he evolve his ideas. And how accurate it has been, never seen him having trouble with any question. In 2011 he was more a speech brawler combating the whole venue by himself, today Eric is less controversial and trying more to educate and transform others ideas.
Yes same.
And I think the successful nature of his world view re: China and the West has opened up new opportunities to help shape a potential structure of what china should promote on the international stage -esp wrt recent democracy conference
does he have any writings out?
I tend to agree Eric's point that the west has religious mentality about human rights and political system. All western religions must have an almighty god as reference, while Chinese religions are much more pragmatic and not ideological at all. Chinese do not care about if there is one god in the universe, or the god is almighty or not. These questions are beyond the capability of human beings.
Most gods in Chinese myth were human beings..... Apart from the very first one who split earth into sky & earth(but he died)
Well the Western nations were founded based on religious fundamentals. That's why you have the church of England.
The interviewer is not at the same level as Li. He was dumbfounded.
And I would not Characterize India as a "successful" country...
I wouldn't characterise China as successful either, they're both developing countries. India has a GDP per capita of $9000 while China has $21,000. For reference, the average European country has $45,000. I think it will take at least another 30 years for India and China to be truly developed and successful.
@Qing Tong I was stating the PPP figures. India's GDP per capita is $2000 by nominal standard and $9000 by PPP standard. Similarly, China's per capita GDP is $10,000 by nominal standards and $21,000 by PPP standards.
According to the UN, China is already a developed country. But clearly the living standards in China are far below that of Western countries, and it will take at least 30 years for China to catch up; 10 years is simply not enough.
@@abhishekmhatre1554 , if you measure GDP per capita on PPP basis, China will exceed the West in 10 years (even taking into account the global economic upset caused by COVID-19). I am not certain if the world's resources could cope with a Chinese absolute GDP per capita of $45k.
@@abhishekmhatre1554 Don't use PPP
@@abhishekmhatre1554 You are right, China's GDP needs to be at least three times that of the US, which will take at least 30 years, which is also in line with world Bank forecasts
You can tell China is much respected by their policy of non interference in the third world by the African man himself. Eric has reiterated many times they are doing business with Africa and it is up to African nations to decide the rules. China just plays by the rules of Africa to try and get the best deal for themselves. If you call that neo colonialism or modern day imperialism then Western colonialism must of been hell itself. Stop making judgements you white people who live in wealthy nations; you know little of how others in the third world live.
Learn to read and comprehend what the point being made is idiot. I am talking about China as a country interacting with other nations outside of China. You are talking about Africans immigrating/working in China. They are completely different things. Damn when did the western world become so dumb that they can't even comprehend sentences in their own language. I'm talking about how governments behave and you're talking about racial tensions. Damn I'm frustrated that I even have to explain my previous comment. Its like talking to a wall or someone that doesn't have a brain.
You mentioned white people who live in wealthy nations. The question is how they became "wealthy" in the first place. Don't you think they became wealthy from all the lootings they did and is still doing in those "poor" nations that they once colonised?
That guy asking about "your father" was so smug and burned so well :D IQ level is not fair.
I love to see how those people been shocked by Eric's speach. Good job Eric!
A moral challenge: Snowden, Assange, really.
I was recently watching a lot of eric li video and I found your comments under many of them, my friend. I am very curious to know what is your view on Eric's perspective of the whole China issue.
@@1tan269 I am busy now but I will paste a response that I once typed into another topic perhaps it explains my feelings:
I am 3rd generation Canadian who has vacationed extensively in USA, but in 2014 spent 1/2 a year traveling through China. My eyes were opened, all my life the western propaganda machine had me believing lies. Walking at night in the down town of major cities in China is safe while trying that in Atlanta or Phoenix, or Miami or Los Angeles is a life threatening experience. I've seen both. America thinks it's free because you can change the government. BUT GOVERNMENT WARS NEVER STOP because the elected officials answer only to corporations and CASH. In China they can't change the government but they are more free to change government policy. Like the policy that pulled 800 million people out of poverty. No American wants to have perpetual war and yet they do. No Chinese wants perpetual war so they don't. Who has more control. Who has more freedom? In China if you want policy changes you either organize a peaceful public display about what needs changing or join the Communist party to effect change from within. We in the west must stop being so hypocritical, changing our government changes nothing. The bombing and sanctions must go on, someone controls that but it sure isn't the voters. We in the west must start understanding that other systems work as well and perhaps better than ours. We meddle in the affairs of virtually every country in the world .
Here is a list, that apparently now should have Venezuela added to it
American intervention since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 *
@@victoews6842 well, when you have 800 overseas military bases around the world, you gotta use them somehow. btw, as the second largest economy of the world, china has only 5 overseas military bases.
@@victoews6842 I knew the US is a wicked country but I didn't know it is this bad, I can't dispute a single thing you have said. Americans should open their eyes.
Eric has guts. He stimulates your thinking, whether you love him or hate him. One thing that could've made the audience more clear about his position on non-interference of other countries (even if there is a genocide) and let them make decisions for themselves is that China does not force business or cooperation decisions on other countries; China offers them and let them decide (or negotiate) for themselves. Whereas the west, using humanitarian reasons to interfere, often forces their "solution" on others (and resulting in disasters for the countries). The 150 years of humiliation for China started with foreign powers forcing one-sided trade deals with China. In another talk, an African high official (in trade, if I remember correctly) described that when China made a trade deal with his country, and the contract was already signed, he felt it was unfair to his country and complained to China. He was surprised to find out that the China side was quite willing to re-negotiate and in the end he was able to procure a new contract much more beneficial to his country. This method of foreign dealings does involve time and pain and learning, but ultimately it is respectful of the country you're dealing with, and helps both sides to learn and grow.
I think it was a former Finance Minister of Greece, Yanis Varoufakis or maybe there‘s another case from Africa, I listen to Gyude Moore from Liberia, another one worth to know. And the Uyghur genocide has been debunked by many.
@@greentea8852 my man I glad you know the real truth and you are spot on about the story renegotiate the trade deal in Greece when Yanis was still a foreign minister. Yes Gyude Moore from Liberia is a good man to watch his v talk because he is telling the truth about the BULLLSHIT DEBT TRAP IN AFRICA where most Westerners don’t want To hear and trying to cover their bulllshit propaganda and big fat lies hahahahaha lol 😂😂🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳!!! I would also like to recommend DEBRA BRAUTIGAM debunk the debt trap in Africa and Shri Lanka hahaha lol 😂😀😀👍👍🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳💕💕💕💕!!!!
@@dannytadashi4235 good to know there are more and more people know the truth. Deborah Bräutigam is another expert on this field you are correct
Confucianism is philosophy or understanding human social order. Must remember Confucius was living in time China was clans and warlords and emperors very bloody time. Confucius taught many peoples to make less crimes and help unite china. Some ideas using strong fists to maintain peace and other ideas is to educate people and make them feel they have good roles in society. Confucius is a way to maintain social stability.
This was a shock and awe to the mind of the western one directed so called intellectual
If every country and human race adopts
China's philosophy..respect other cultures
Do onto others as you want others to do onto you ...Confucius .. there will be No GENOCIDE. ..there will be peace on earth.
My sincere hope .
Nice to hope, contradiction lies when a segment of their minorities in Western frontier Xinjiang (Formerly called East Turkistan, before China conquered it in the 1950s ) province the People have been castrated, detained in concentration camps, forced labour, and undergoing torturous maltreatment to eradicate from their minds their culture, religion and even sterilisation of their female members to halt their populsation growth, 1 million are in detention going through "cultural reform" .
Was not surprising how desensitised the people are when it comes to the mistreated Uygurs in the Xinjiang semi autonomous province . The objections of China's human rights records was disingenuous and selective .
@@khiljinagor8976 you sound a lot like what the western media is talking about Xinjiang, have you actually been to Xinjiang and got those above 'facts' to make your conclusions? Or just blinded accept the selective snapshots info that all western media had been feeding you?
@@khiljinagor8976 You've been smoking crack haven't you?
Clare, I agree with you 100%
It's been nearly three millennium, Confucius continues to bring harmony, ethics, benevolence, virtue to the Chinese people. It is my believe that Confucianism can bring about a more peaceful world, not that China should impose Confucianism on the rest of the world, that would be a western/US M.O.
Body language of Auand is terrible & rude
Western society tend to be dominated by one ideology, while Chinese mindset was integrated with 3 main ideologies such as Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism (Capitalism and Socialism was later imposed since modern era).
Here for Eric 🤘
Great talk! Wish I found it 9 years ago.
The host doesn't understand China at all. And apparently couldn't catch Li's meaning.
White people talked and asked questions uninterrupted, African man start talking, "hurry up we're running out of time". Really make my blood boils.
I’m not accusing anyone for genocide here. Ouch.
I can feel the hurt of the audience.
EXTRSORDYNARY INTERVIEW.... MR.ERIK IS CLEAR AND WISE IN IN A WAY THAT SURPRISE A LOT ALL THE TIME.....IT IS FASCINATING THE WORLD WITH A DIFFERENT CULTURES AND VIEWS , INSTEAD OF A MONOLITIC UNIPOLAR AND UNIVERSAL VIEW... VIEW..
When Erik says "Even for me its a profitable transaction."
And the Hindu : "Huh!" Back in his mind: " Fuck, India still looks like shit now...."
The moderator talked bla bla bla. Fast forward!!!
Eric didn't address the question at 39:00 regarding just and unjust law well... It s a fallacious comparison...how could the laws of a colonial, foreign regime in an alien land be ever just and justified, their presence in China in the first place is itself unjustifiable .There's no comparison with the laws of a sovereign country.
Spot on, the point made at 50:00. Why is the audience is still stuck with converting, intervening in the internal affairs of Africa? Part of the civilising mission syndrome ?
i think what he meant was he agreed there were just laws and unjust laws and he thought that particular law was just. The old man just didn’t follow.
@@stuckathome068 yes maybe Eric didn't want to state the obvious
1.About the unjust law question, I think Eric already answered but without further explaining. what he meant is that there are always difference of opinions in society, if someone find a law unjust he can disagree (within legislation)or fight(out of the legal permission), but at the same time he should also take the burdens of breaking the current law(whether it's being jailed or sanctioned). doesn't matter if it is under communist rule or colonial rules, you have to take the consequences of the behavior. However the difference is that, if it is really an unjust law that violating majority of the people, there will be some kind of concessions or there will be endless social unrest. That is the risk taken by the government.
2. About the question of genocide and Chinese in jail, if it is the internal conflict, the outside should be very careful to intervine, it's internal affairs, and how do you know you can create good results for the locals and also for your own people? this is why the West ignored the Rwanda genocide in 1994 (pure cost, no benefit, and uncertain results) while on the case of Chinese citizens in jail, it's a diplomatic problem not pure internal affairs, and of course foreign governments will be involved.
Enjoy listening to Eric 😊
Let me just say, I'm extremely proud to be Mr. Li's namesake . . . .
2 of my favorite speakers!!!! i cant believe they had an interview together!!
What an honor
Wow, this is Eric Li, he has a good head of his shoulders, thanks.. Aspen!
Great talk!
The higher aspirations include Love, abundance, truth, caring, unity, joy, truth, forgiveness, kindness, friendship etc.
There are so meny people do not want to face truce or are brainwashed.
A big bow to Eric Li!
It's called the prime directive.
Capitalism: capital supercedes political authority. "Capitalistic" does not supercede authority,😏
Ai Wei Wei gets trouble by talking up about Gaza and said western world is not much different than China now. Freedom of speech is in the mind of the beholder. People are different so do country too, no such thing as us democracy is one size fits all. Don’t impose others on what you have. Everyone has one own choice.
MARCH 2024.
Only wish I knew video this earlier.
I like this guy but i hope Eric is not his real name; i don't see nothing Eric about him. Let's not embrace their name for any reason
the fundamental organizing principles of China are: technocracy, internal free-trade Capitalism, and harmony as an unchallenged sovereign in the Asia-Pacific region.
I see so namy people like Eric in their comment just because of Eric tells the truce.
Dr. David R. Hawkins MD. And Ph.d. clarified what is beneficial and what is not beneficial to human beings.
Funny to see all the comments from 8 years ago . All the perceptions and theories about undemocratic system must fail .
AS for the freedom of speech. One thing I have point out, though I admire the eloquence of Eric, to organize is different from the potential of being able to organize. Maybe Ai Weiwei has been writing, filming video aiming for anti-government, it may be subjugated to local legal violation.
But it seems to me that not just the act of organizing anti-government is being banned in China. It as been extended to the potential of it. That means as long as the gov thinks that what you are doing might be promoting the organization, they ban it. One instance is every time I posted discussion video that discusses sensitive posted on youtube onto youku, it is banned. Apparently my move is not to promote any commotion of any sorts but they ban it. that confuses me.
highlight: 01:01:48
But biblically all men are not created with eaqual, God has favorism over one to anther, individual and race.
Bullshit
It depends on who write the Bible
Eric Li was a god among insects
While I do not agree with the genocide part, I mostly agree with Eric Li ideas. Capitalistic and democracy is not the know it all, solve it all system, and in some ways its even dysfunctional and destructive, we need to look further in reforming our system, not meaning abolishing democracy, but change it and improve it. The Meritocracy political system work for China and its culture, but not might not work western cultures and visa versa. However I do think as far as genocide countries need to help and stop it, maybe not countries but a world order like the United Nations. We let wars be fought out, like in North and Sout Korea, but genocide we should not allow, that is a big no no in regard to Eric Li ideas. The rest was perfectly sound.
I can't say for certain about the history but I can tell you it isn't or hasn't been on-going in china for a few decades. I've been to Tibet they do live as free as the rest Chinese people. They are not closed to outsiders either, feel free to visit or check travel vlogs.
Eric is very good and talked sense. V intelligent person
democratic fundamentalists.
send him to the ring with Slavoj Zizek!
Cuban cigar guys has Stockholm syndrome
有吃有穿，家庭安全，社会治安，再讲民主。
Thoughtful comments
十年前，小李子就那么厉害啦！
How do they determine consensus without voting? Intense polling?
Yes! Eric answered this in various interviews in the last few years. The biggest client of the biggest polling company in China is the Chinese government. There is a closed feedback loop to inform the government of how they are doing.
Something I totally disagree with Eric is that if the chinese gov decided to overtake his company for some unknown reason, he would just accept it and walk away. Then my friend, you are not thinking as an individual but just obeying to your master.
That's lack of creativity eric
you've got to try to save it first
@@qiangwang689 But can you really save it if the gov decides to confiscate your assets?? Do you have rights??
@@qiangwang689 The truth is that you should not let your emotions surpass your thoughts. There are both good things in china and in the west. You need to get the best of both worlds......One should be able to develop his critical thinking without the fear of being reprimanded by the police.
@@mk4883 I never said china is evil or bad compared to the US. Both countries have flaws. One more than the other. But you seem quite ignorant about laws in the US or UK. In the US, they need a judge order but your lawyer can still defend your case if any unless you are a terrorist. In the UK, you can contest the supreme court judgment in the Privy council for a fair trial.
@@mk4883 In a totalitarian country, if it is a criticism against President Xi, most probably not. It all depends what case you are talking about. This is one of the flaws in china. But if you d'ont criticize the gov for its action, then I would say that you probably enjoy about the same liberties as in the west.
In the west, you enjoy the freedom of speech. In china , you enjoy the freedom of fear when you get back to your hotel late at night. So, let's be fair in what we say. The west has a lot to learn from china . Likewise, china needs improvements in the freedom of speech or freedom to surf on the internet on any sensible issue.
I am not sure Mr. E. Li has a good read of political system or his mental part still refused to recede want to understand political system of USA.
He's been running a presidential campaign but he refused mentally to understand the political system? cute rant :P
Take a look at his TED talk ..
Again, do not talk about someone you do not really know. You set a bad example of free of speech. Trash and harmful to society. ☹☹☹
26:36 - Then let Tibetans, Mongols, Uighurs, Hong Kongers, and everyone else under the PRC to separate, and gain independence and live the way they want to live without han chinese control or influence. Simple.
Lol, long before "commies" took over China from KMT in 1949, these people and their areas have long been part of China... Go back to your mom and get some money for a history book for idiots at least. The idea of national states rooted in feudal European age doesnt work with China or East Asian society, it's a Confucianist society for thousands of years as China has been a civilization state for thousands of years.. I know that's like Greek to u now, but depending on where your mom came from, she might be able to show some respect to one of the greatest ancient civilizations and the only thriving one to this date and its people on their way to modern Renaissance.
and Hawaiins, and Native Americans, and Latinos, and scotts, and catalans, and basques, the list can go on
As he said there is limit to the citizen choice. It has to be subordinated to the interest of the collective. The stability of the nation is paramount for the individual.
Let the US states also liberate themselves
Simple , yes I agree you are.
As a venture capitalist in China, Mr. Li must gain the favors and support of the Chinese government. His pro totalitarian system of government stance is perhaps not a conclusion of purely intellectual conviction. How conveniently Mr. Li excused the disastrous mismanagement of Mao with China's economic success today. It is not healthy to idealize Maoist China and China is successful today precisely because the party abandoned Mao's harebrained ideas. Mr. Li lacks intellectual integrity.
I don't see where Eric "excused Mao". He said China itself doesn't yet know the best form of gov't yet, it is evolving. He said that when his father was put in prison it was unfair. China makes many mistakes but it is on a path to constantly reforming itself; watch his TED talk where he speaks about this.
The narrative against Mao was from the Red Scare, McCarthy hearings etc. an honest view of him and his accomplishments would show tremendous strides in development indicators and setting the foundation for China’s higher growth after reform and opening.
How much does billionnaires like Jack ma earns and how much does a peasant earn in china??
How much do billionaires like Jeff Bezos earn and how much does a homeless guy in detroit (or any American city going down the drain)?
Spot on, and this is exactly why younger generation are more pro-socialism and against capitalism nowadays in China, the income gap. And it is somehow true for the US, look at how popular Burnie Sanders become. And you will also find a popularity of the CCP among the young in China recent years.
This hindu guy should look at his country
He is asking Eric with condescending manner.
Wow look at USA today lol