Is Upside Down Better? - Taking a First Look at Wren's Inverted Suspension Fork

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  • Опубліковано 19 гру 2024

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  • @hardtailparty
    @hardtailparty  2 роки тому +48

    Sorry for the double upload, I had an audio sync issue with the previous version, so i re-edited it and reposted it. Now it looks like it's got a different audio sync issue. Sometimes a video editing project just fights you every step of the way. This is one of those times.

    • @zachj7078
      @zachj7078 2 роки тому

      I just commented saying this before reading your comment! Haha

    • @mr.steebs5070
      @mr.steebs5070 2 роки тому +1

      Thanks for mentioning that, thought it was me! Re-started like 5 times before I saw your post..

    • @12818omaha
      @12818omaha 2 роки тому +2

      It's like watching an old kung fu movie :) hahaha. Sweet video, look forward to the follow up!!!!

  • @cjohnson3836
    @cjohnson3836 2 роки тому +15

    Wren did one of the best things they could sending this your way. Not that other reviews are bad, but its all been mostly bikepackers that don't actually dig into fork performance or all the features. You're the first I've seen even talking about the AC variability alongside travel. Let alone actually taking it apart on screen and doing it. Really looking forward to your ride review in the future. Wonder if you'll get brake flex. I think I read somewhere they're also making a version, or maybe it was a modified bashguard, that has intrinsic m5 bosses for bolting down your things.

  • @tonyparkin3379
    @tonyparkin3379 2 роки тому +4

    After watching 1000's of UA-camrs videos. I can honestly say your 80's tv show intro is my fav.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      Thanks Tony!

    • @mattspen
      @mattspen Рік тому

      I thought the same thing, best intro on UA-cam!

  • @tamserenity
    @tamserenity 2 роки тому +14

    I actually like the look of the stanchion protecters!! They look cool!

  • @harveyjoneswoodsman5956
    @harveyjoneswoodsman5956 2 роки тому +3

    Been wanting one when they first came out love the design and simplicity of maintenance

  • @wesleywermuth9545
    @wesleywermuth9545 2 роки тому +5

    Wow, super neat. Can’t wait for the ride review

  • @raymondepstein6174
    @raymondepstein6174 2 роки тому +4

    I've always liked the look of inverted forks, eg: the Shiver SC, Maverick, etc. The biggest downside to them has always been torsional rigidity issues. The audience that Wren is playing to (bike packers, endurance racers, etc.) this may probably not be as much of a concern. However, in gnarly terrain beneath an aggressive rider it's attributes might not be ideal, ie an aggressive 200 lb rider doing something chunky like Hiline or similar. FWIW, my favorite fork at the moment is the Zeb due to it's incredible rigidity and bottomless feel. I almost want to put a 150mm one on the hardtail I'm building.

  • @KPsychRN
    @KPsychRN 2 роки тому +2

    Eagerly awaiting your ride review. I’ve been on the fence about one for my Farley.

  • @ersonvelasco2531
    @ersonvelasco2531 Рік тому

    Im always into inverted forks, i still got my Xfusion Revel going to trails. I got this Wren on my hardtail. Now I’m saving up for Bright Racing fork.

  • @ssmtb
    @ssmtb 2 роки тому +3

    Wow, can't wait to hear your thoughts, this fork has some really compelling features (the ease of adjustability and maintenance sound amazing!) + the Maniak looks amazing with this SS build 👌🤙

  • @kris8165
    @kris8165 6 місяців тому

    Looks like a Maverick fork!
    I love that design!
    That and Manitou 😅
    Greetings from Croatia 😎

  • @donovanrice2671
    @donovanrice2671 Рік тому

    Love my wren fork!! Burly and versatile! Highly recommend!

  • @LordHolley
    @LordHolley 2 роки тому +1

    Have you been reading my mind? I so want to get one of these. Now time to see the review.......

  • @wizaxed
    @wizaxed 2 роки тому

    Yeah, that fork looks super cool. Looking forward to a ride review. Thanks Steve!

  • @gregknipe8772
    @gregknipe8772 2 роки тому

    great work, glad I found your presentations.

  • @michaelrieser9928
    @michaelrieser9928 2 роки тому

    Very cool, in my journey of doing a mullet build on a 27.5 bike, this 29er fork has all those options for axel to crown measurement. So if I needed a 130mm 29 fork for this build and a 140 mm 29er fork for a future project I wouldn’t need to buy a new fork. Plus you can play around on any build to see if you like a travel height that you original thought might be a no go.

  • @darrylsweeney2713
    @darrylsweeney2713 2 роки тому

    this fork speaks to me.....
    these days with so many suspension products requiring 'mail away for service' or like 'throw away shimano calipers' i can applaud a company thinking of those that enjoy wrenching as much as riding....yes my chin hit floor when u said adjustable axle to crown!!
    Marzocchi Shiver flash back lol
    do the larger stantions solve the lower arch delete? ie noodle during hard steering??
    will Hardtail Party sell flashy socks??
    small bump sensitivity?? thinking of a 2.4" wide rubber max review, let the fork do the talking!
    i dont often agree with you, because im stubborn lol.....i feel you do a very good job representing components/bikes ect honestly....an i mean honestly!! your reviews opens a perspective that isnt easily attainable from a product web page!
    anyways, do what you do....your great ambassador to the sport.
    Im a fan

  • @DickingAboutTV
    @DickingAboutTV 2 роки тому

    Hey Steve, love this video and your channel mate 🤘👏 - I'm the Wren distributor in the UK and I'm going to be pushing people to watch your stuff - great videos and you and your buddies ride some awesome trails!! 🙌🙌 All the Best, Richard 😊

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      Unfortunately I've had issues with two different Wren forks. As much as I wanted to love this fork, both of me samples have given me issues

    • @DickingAboutTV
      @DickingAboutTV 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty oh man that’s annoying - bloody typical 🙄 I’ve been smashing mine off rocks for a year now and all good .. 🫣🤘🤣

    • @80sRokker
      @80sRokker Рік тому

      @@hardtailparty if you don't mind me asking, what specific issues did you have? I am still getting used to mine, but one problem I was having was that the lockout was not working. Spoke to Russ with Wren, tried some adjustments that did not work so he sent me a replacement damper. I put that in on Labor Day, went out for a test ride, had a small accident and trashed my shoulder so the test run has been postponed for now lol. Would be interested in knowing what type of challenges you had.

  • @freshiesat9
    @freshiesat9 2 роки тому +1

    Hi Steve, can’t wait for part 2 of your review. Did you have to get a matching crown race to install the Wren fork or did you take the one off of your pike?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      I have a box full of crown races, i used a new one for this.

  • @englishwithtimusa
    @englishwithtimusa 2 роки тому +5

    I am always suspicious of inverted forks- reviews I have read of every inverted fork except one comes out saying they're torsionally flexy. This is true even though fork makers have invented all kinds of techniques to solve this problem:
    Maverick DUC32- dual crowns, baseball bat-sized upper legs, proprietary 24mm axle
    DVO- use of the slider guards as a brace, collets (sleeves) between the crown and upper legs (second feature didn't make it to market)
    Rock Shox RS1- 27mm axle (OK, a fake 27mm axle- only the center section is this thick)
    Manitou Dorado- IIRC, the reason Manitou invented Hexlock, its six-sided thru-axle, was to bring some stiffness to their previous USD fork offering, the Millenium
    X-Fusion- channels between inner and outer legs (this fork didn't make it to production)
    Cannondale- dual crowns, square (now triangular) interlocking legs, one-piece leg-axle
    The only one of these forks that didn't get complaints in reviews about torsional flex was the Cannondale, and it went all out. Will the Wren solve this problem? I doubt it, but I'll keep an open mind; maybe it has other benefits for some riders that will outweigh this issue.

  • @ctsingletrack
    @ctsingletrack 2 роки тому +1

    I saw these when I was looking at fat bike forks. Curious how it would compare to the Manitou Mastadon and RockShox Bluto for fat bike applications. There's really not a ton of options in that segment.

  • @paulremonko5921
    @paulremonko5921 2 роки тому

    Nice review. Can you try to attach a fender for your ride review. Interested to see what it looks like with a fender.

  • @MrFowl
    @MrFowl Рік тому

    Having trouble finding any other videos where you ride this. Did you do a full review of it later on? Or experiment with lengths on another frame?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Рік тому +1

      Not yet.

    • @MrFowl
      @MrFowl Рік тому

      @@hardtailparty Any thoughts on upside down forks yet? I've heard they're not as good, but I've never heard from anyone that's actually tried one 😅 ...I find it hard to believe they're bad if every motorcycle uses them.

  • @neal569
    @neal569 2 роки тому

    You could put a giant wheel on the front of a bike. I saw a really tall guy trying out a custom bike for his size now you can do it with mtbs.

  • @francoismorneau5010
    @francoismorneau5010 2 роки тому

    I have it on my fat bike and love the plushness of it but dont like when it strech out and ear a klong sound. Also the true axel that de need 2 ex key is better for stiffness as they say. Very easy To service but put thick grease on the sping to keep it quiet. Love this fork

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, when it tops out with the fast rebound I'm not a fan

    • @francoismorneau5010
      @francoismorneau5010 2 роки тому

      Yeah it Feel cheaper because of that. Can't wait to see your review. Love your vidéo. I'm Hardtail lover To in Québec Canada.

    • @fatbikeaddiction1385
      @fatbikeaddiction1385 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty
      if the rebound is , even all closed , like a pogostick the adjustmentroot is not closing enough. this is because of the wrong set hole ninths adjustment spacer witch is underneath the red cap of the damper rebound adjustment cap. this needs to be a little longer to the down side then it works out fine . and i putt in different oil . 10 w40 motoroil. that is an experiment. but work s good for me

    • @fatbikeaddiction1385
      @fatbikeaddiction1385 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty
      Sorry i forgot , the more airpressure you have in the lower airchamber. the faster the rebound becomes .

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      @fatbike addiction, do you habe a good fix to make the rebound adjustment work better and not top out? Do I need a thicker spacers or to just change its position on the damper?

  • @SeanWelch-l8i
    @SeanWelch-l8i 8 місяців тому

    was there ever a ride review follow up?

  • @DookSweats
    @DookSweats Рік тому

    Are you able to comment on what sort of issues you had? I am looking at their fat bike for as there are few offerings in non taper steerer tube and 135mm spacing. I’d like to know before I shell out that much money

  • @onceuponareset-ho7fg
    @onceuponareset-ho7fg 6 місяців тому

    Is there a part 2 of this review?

  • @paulremonko5921
    @paulremonko5921 Рік тому

    Are you ever going to do a ride review for this fork.

  • @harrie205
    @harrie205 2 роки тому

    Usually the main reason to go upside down is not unsprung weight but stiffness and strength (in bending)
    Ps. Nice video and fork

  • @ikarus4sale
    @ikarus4sale Рік тому

    Hi Steve, is this fork so bad you didn't posted any follow up videos?

  • @derekfoster9357
    @derekfoster9357 7 місяців тому

    Have you dodone a ride review of the fork? I can't find it on your channel.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  7 місяців тому

      No, I've had issues with 2 of them now. I didn't want to review a fork with issues.

  • @lorantpro1432
    @lorantpro1432 2 роки тому

    Bonjour, j'adore la chaine Hardtail Party et j'aimerai savoir si il y aura un test d'un " NORDEST BARDINO 3 " ? Cordialement Laurent.

  • @William.N
    @William.N 2 роки тому

    Commenting on the new upload for the algorithm.

  • @HaltonOutdoors
    @HaltonOutdoors 2 роки тому

    Hey Steve did you ever get around to making a ride review video of this fork? I'm really curious how this rides in comparison to the Pike you had on the Binary Maniak.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      Not yet. See some of my comments below

  • @jeremypelton774
    @jeremypelton774 2 роки тому

    I’m pretty new to your channel and didn’t see any video covering this - what are your thoughts on the Trek Stache? I was hoping you reviewed it. I know you like 3.0 tires but would like an overall review. I have the ‘19 Stache 5

  • @lpwang1
    @lpwang1 2 роки тому

    Can you comment on torsional stability? How much play in the fork is expected with twisting wheel motion?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      I will comment about that on the ride review.

  • @quesoner34
    @quesoner34 Рік тому

    @hardtailparty You've got updates on this one?

  • @Thomas1965
    @Thomas1965 2 роки тому

    So I’m curious about how the airspring is supposed to work, they say that adding pressure to the bottom moves the piston, reducing the volume of the positive spring. But if the piston can move freely when you change the pressure, would the piston not just move when the fork compresses? The instructions specifically say that the pressure will always read the same on both chambers, so the piston would just move proportionally to the compression of the fork?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      That's an excellent question. I assume it does move rheougout the travel, but I'll get clarification for you. I'll chat with them and see what they say

  • @WasabiWei
    @WasabiWei 2 роки тому

    I first learned of this fork on Ryan Van Duzer's channel. It's good to hear your take on it. Glad to see this tech and design entering the market! I definitely prefer the stanchion guards in place. Since "legs" sound weird when the fork is inverted we called them "top tubes" in the past. Not sure if that's still the lingo.

  • @jsv438
    @jsv438 2 роки тому

    I like this idea. I HAVE seen another brand of fork doing this. Not sure who it was but a few folks on PinkBike have them and they're in other countries mostly--not very common either.
    I swear when I was younger I was wondering WHY forks weren't made like this. I thought for weight and balance it should actually be this "inverted" way. To be fair, many motorcycles also have the inner stanchions at the top (but I get what you're referring to--just wanted to 2-cents).
    I'd like to see if they make a dual crown version. Now without the typical reinforcement arch, are these forks less "stiff", or with this inverted design do they achieve that stiffness because the typical "lowers" are now at the top?
    The brilliant thing they did was eliminating the inner stanchions that were exposed from being vulnerable by damage effecting the seal. Kind of makes one wonder why FOX or Rockshox hadn't thought of this sooner?
    SO! WheeeeeRE'S the "review" ride? Can't wait to see how you liked them.. and I'll bet they were excellent.
    ~JSV

  • @VicenteOcanaplus
    @VicenteOcanaplus 2 роки тому

    Super interesting pre-review! I am wondering about two air pressure valves on each leg meaning possibility of different lengths and wheel not « centered »?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      All high end forks only have the spring in one leg. The arch provides the job of keeping the fork stiff and keeping the legs parallel. Since this is upside down, the crown acts as the arch to keep it all stiff.

  • @theowheelers1685
    @theowheelers1685 2 роки тому

    Very informative! Thank you.....

  • @ericbeech2652
    @ericbeech2652 7 місяців тому

    Will an inverted fork decrease the "stapler" feeling on a hardtail?

  • @cliffhanger2552
    @cliffhanger2552 2 роки тому

    It's like a 2 sided lefty. 😁
    Neat concept but I wonder how the torsional stiffness will be with two completely independent sides using a traditional round bushing setup. The Lefty has a triangular piston in a triangular hole with needle bearings and as such has better torsional stiffness than a regular dual station. This seems like it would make torsional stiffness even lower than a regular fork with no arch connecting them. I like the idea they're going for though, looking forward to seeing how it feels.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      Technically the crown serves as an arch connecting them. I do love what cannondale is doing.

  • @aliciadiaz2730
    @aliciadiaz2730 2 роки тому

    Hi there, this isn't related to your video above, but I couldn't find another way to email ya. But I do enjoy the content, thx!!
    I just got a single speed mtb and love it! Its my cup of tea ;)
    Searching for tips on how to attack hill climbs once the struggle starts and your digging deep to stay upright!
    Like what is right posture while standing, where should my push and pull be on the pedal stroke, what not to do so I don't hurt my knees...etc. Keep up the good work! Alicia

  • @tylermendes4869
    @tylermendes4869 2 роки тому

    does the stanchion clamp for the covers affect the amount of travel you can use

  • @jordanb97
    @jordanb97 2 роки тому

    What mud guard options are there for inverted forks like the Wrens?

    • @VancePetrol
      @VancePetrol 2 роки тому

      There are ones that attach to the bottom of your steerer tube, would give your MTB even more of a dirtbike look with inverted forks like this.

  • @combatjoe
    @combatjoe 2 роки тому

    Hey, any ETA on a full review of these?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому +1

      I've had issues with two pair. Until these issues get resolved, i won't be reviewing them or recommending them

    • @infoatnorcal2304
      @infoatnorcal2304 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty I am curious what issues you had with the Wren? I havent had any issues with mine, but would be very keen to know how you ended up with 2 with problems... thx!

    • @anthonytalevich7601
      @anthonytalevich7601 2 роки тому

      I tried to service mine today after slacking on it for awhile past its service interval, and wasn't able to pull the stanchions from the uppers, no matter how hard I pulled. I was really bummed.. Atleast I got to pull my headset bearings and clean and regrease them. I will be contacting Wren to see what I can do as I was only able to clean and grease the stanchions up to the bushings, leaving me unable to access the piston to regrease and unable to add clips to reduce travel.

  • @ninjazzrhythm400
    @ninjazzrhythm400 2 роки тому

    Any update on this?

  • @pepeanza6187
    @pepeanza6187 2 роки тому

    Great that You can make geometry changes but theres no way that the stantions are not goin to get damage begin down, rocks and crashes

    • @th_js
      @th_js 2 роки тому +1

      Have you seen motocross forks? They're this way, and especially in enduro, ride much more demanding terrain, and they're just fine.

  • @Lenswide
    @Lenswide 11 місяців тому +1

    It seems that it doesn’t cope with a lot of stress. My wren probably got bent 1-2 degrees. I have to check. Also doesn’t seem to have negative air chamber. Top out noise is annoying. Poor axle design, poor wiper design, no specific bath oil and more to blame.
    I don’t recommend it.

  • @Torontoanimator334
    @Torontoanimator334 2 роки тому

    Hey Steve! Longtime subscriber, looking to upgrade the 130mm Recon Silver on my 2020 Fuse Comp. Any suggestions? Considering the Revelation, Pike Select and Fox 34 Performance elite. Is the fit4 on the Fox or the charger RC on the pike select worth it, or would I be better off making the leap to the grip2 or charger 2.1. If I’m spending that much to begin with I want to make sure I’m getting my moneys worth. I could try the revelation and upgrade it with a 2.1 when it needs servicing but it wouldn’t be huge improvement from my recon without it. Any advice would really be appreciated! Cheers!

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      That's the kind of thing i do over on Patreon. I'll be releasing a video reviewing a few different forks in the future. Stay tuned for that.

  • @yamahschector
    @yamahschector Рік тому

    Push nine one will be a nice review if you get your hands on one.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  Рік тому

      I've been trying to get one. No luck

    • @yamahschector
      @yamahschector Рік тому

      Sold out. I wonder if it will be too much fork for my banshee paradox. I work only minutes from their shop and it would be great for service and setup help.

  • @matthewcarson1280
    @matthewcarson1280 2 роки тому

    Hey I ended up with an on-one Hello Dave frame on accident.... Want to try it?

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      I've been curious about that one.

    • @matthewcarson1280
      @matthewcarson1280 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty it's wild, long, slack, with a long chainstay. Definitely different than anything. It was originally one of the Sick Bike Co. Designs. I pm'd you on Instagram

  • @daviddegea920
    @daviddegea920 2 роки тому

    The lesser unsprung weight, the easier it is to achieve both effective and comfortable suspension. That's just physiscs, and that's why high end motorcycle and cars tend to use lighter materials there.
    Is it something Wern is looking for when designing this fork? Considering they're accepting to add more weight to include all those unusual features, it's probably not.
    Now will it make a difference in an already light ride like a bicicle? You let us know :-)

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      Yes, it by was definitely a consideration of theirs

  • @jurgenimschoot1704
    @jurgenimschoot1704 2 роки тому

    Those brake cable routing clips are a hot mess, or are they looking for a clean look for those that don't run front brakes, lol

  • @lovelightshining4444
    @lovelightshining4444 2 роки тому

    Love this!

  • @tlheingrunst
    @tlheingrunst 2 роки тому +4

    Dejavu?....Repeat? Brother we in the matrix now?

    • @GokkunGuru
      @GokkunGuru 2 роки тому

      Original video had issues with audio delay and scenes were prematurely cut.

    • @tlheingrunst
      @tlheingrunst 2 роки тому

      @@GokkunGuru didn't think it was a bad video, still gave him the mandatory thumbs up!

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому +1

      Too many people complaining about the audio, so i re-uploaded.

    • @tlheingrunst
      @tlheingrunst 2 роки тому

      @@hardtailparty wasn't complaining, not at all, just thought I'd mention it as it was a bit of a what the heck moment...lol

  • @chuckwood8020
    @chuckwood8020 2 роки тому

    didI miss the ride review? I dont see it in your uploads.

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому +1

      Nope. I've just been having reliability issues with the fork, and I was hoping to get them replaced before I review. Unfortunately, I don't know if there's a fix for the issues. I cannot recommend them right now.

    • @AutiSam1974
      @AutiSam1974 Рік тому

      @@hardtailparty maybe you should edit the description to reflect this

    • @chuckwood8020
      @chuckwood8020 7 місяців тому

      ​@@hardtailpartymissed the reply. I have had good luck since early 2021. I am not too hard on it other than being overweight and sucking at drops/jumps 😂

  • @shawnpritchard366
    @shawnpritchard366 2 роки тому +1

    Didn't I see this like 8 hours ago?

  • @asteriskman
    @asteriskman 2 роки тому

    see if you can get an Intend fork 😀

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      I've been trying. That would be awesome

  • @codyclark2471
    @codyclark2471 2 роки тому

    prefer without ... wouldnt mind maybe some boots

  • @jpwessgate4859
    @jpwessgate4859 2 роки тому +1

    video to audio delay is annoying

    • @anotheryoutuber_
      @anotheryoutuber_ 2 роки тому

      its just dubbed....he was speaking shop

    • @hardtailparty
      @hardtailparty  2 роки тому

      This is my second time trying to fix it. Sometimes video projects just fight you every step of the way. This was one of those times.

    • @volkmarmuller3578
      @volkmarmuller3578 2 роки тому +1

      Just go out and ride it, so we get to watch the review :-)

    • @anotheryoutuber_
      @anotheryoutuber_ 2 роки тому +1

      @@hardtailparty been there, hours of filming and editing just to have someone see a extra frame or a weird audio cut....thanks for being human

  • @qualm43
    @qualm43 2 роки тому

    not as good as the TRUST fork.... oh wait.... LOL