I watched this video with a ton of skepticism but my forehands improved 100% after doing these drills for 30 minutes!! The drill finally taught me how to get rid of the dreaded wobble.
The challenge with learning to throw putters as an instructive method is that the flight of a putter is drastically different than the flight of a fairway or driver. You must throw putters slightly nose up to get them to fly straight (and even on hyzer they must be a little nose up). You can see this in your first hyzer shots. You throw them nose up to control speed and stability. You're not going to do this on full power shots. You also aren't learning some of the most important principles of powerful and accurate forehand shots, which are takeaway, follow through and footwork/lower body involvement. While I think that throwing putters is great for learning some small things on the backhand side (clean spin, correct timing and not rounding, etc.) I think it's much better to "practice like you'll play" with forehand, and throw a mold similar to your on the course mold, but a little more understable. I throw the felon for most of my fairway driver forehand shots. I use the convict for field work sometimes, to drill spin generation and angle control. I think these things are way more important and instructive for developing your forehand than popping a putter at a basket 100 feet away
Great tips. How much do I owe you for the lesson? LOL I've actually thought of coming down and getting a lesson from you. You seem to help everyone with their game. I'm sure mine could use some tweaking. Backhand especially.
My issue is that If I get enough wrist snap to eliminate the flutter, the shots go too far. I just can't power down my forehand. Anything 150 feet and over is smooth with both stable and understable discs but 100 foot shots, I have to throw backhand.
So I can do all of these shots 9/10 times with a putter and have rang the basket from distances like this. But for the life of me I can't drive for shit. When I use a driver I'm either releasing really really early, nose up, way too much anhyzer, flutter or a combination of these. I just can't figure out how to add speed to match a faster disc without breaking my form.
exactly ... the best side-armers right now do not keep their elbow tight to the body. It varies based on what type of throw you're making. Watch when this guy throw hyzer vs. anhyzer and there's a huge diff in the distance between elbow/side on those two throws.
My wrist isn't flexible...Is there a way to get more rotation on the disc without having a lot of flexibility on the wrist? Thanks for the great vid...
My wrists have no flexibility either buddy. I will say once you get the timing of everything down the limited movement won't matter as much as you think. You can still find a way to load the wrist
Typically the flutter is from a lack of “snap” from what I see. It could be a combination of other things, too much arm involved, etc. Work on the snap and don’t try to throw it too hard. Smooth is the key!
I was expecting a drill to improve my sidearm by getting a clean release. Instead I watched you practice throwing and called it a drill. I could make a video and name it "Improve your distance with this simple drill" and all I say is just throw further, practice on hyzer, flat, and anhyzer. All you have to do is just throw further, it's that simple.
It feels impossible to get these short shots flutter free. been working on it for weeks and it just makes no sense how to keep these suckers flying clean
You say keep elbow tight and demonstrate jamming it into your side but when you actually throw your elbow is not tight and there's a huge difference in elbow position between hyzer and anhyzer. Scott Stokely, one of the best sidearm throwers in history, says "elbow tight" is bad advice. This is a good practice drill.
Hey Dan, thanks for the feedback. You make a valid point, maybe I should have explained that better. When I say tight, I don’t mean attached to your hip. It’s a fine line, and an error I often see new players make. Their arm is way too far outside their body. It’s worked for me, maybe it won’t for you. I have known Scott for 100 years, he’s a good friend of mine. Have a great holiday, don’t lose sleep over this! 🥏😀
There are as many definitions of "snap" as there are disc golfers in the world. One sure fact about this term, is that it's extremely unclear because of that and in my opinion should be avoided in tutorials. It has to be possible to explain what you mean in one short sentence instead of using this one word. It only brings confusion and honestly I'm starting to cringe when I hear it. I've just seen David Feldbergs vid about back hand snap and right after Ezra was mentioning it in a tutorial but in a different meaning. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, they just mean different things when they use that word, I like all those guys and I don't want to bounce back and forth between all those tutorial and get confused ;P
I've been playing since 2000 and I've seen hundreds of people throw, and the one thing I've learned is that the ability to throw forehand has mostly to do with your hand shape and the natural flexibility of your wrist. My son could throw fh at age 6 like it was nothing. I've seen others who have seemingly excellent mechanics who can't get the flutter out no matter what they do or how many instructional videos they watch. I've personally never seen anyone who couldn't throw one clean actually learn to do so... either you can or you can't imho. Think about it... if it were possible for anyone to learn then obviously every single touring pro would have a killer forehand...
I watched this video with a ton of skepticism but my forehands improved 100% after doing these drills for 30 minutes!! The drill finally taught me how to get rid of the dreaded wobble.
"So you throw more overstable discs until you have no form or finesse"
Okay, first of all, attacked.
What a beautiful explanation Brad. Thank you!
Really appreciate this video. One of the best forehand tutorials I’ve seen for newbs and the forehand challenged like me ;)
The challenge with learning to throw putters as an instructive method is that the flight of a putter is drastically different than the flight of a fairway or driver. You must throw putters slightly nose up to get them to fly straight (and even on hyzer they must be a little nose up). You can see this in your first hyzer shots. You throw them nose up to control speed and stability. You're not going to do this on full power shots. You also aren't learning some of the most important principles of powerful and accurate forehand shots, which are takeaway, follow through and footwork/lower body involvement.
While I think that throwing putters is great for learning some small things on the backhand side (clean spin, correct timing and not rounding, etc.) I think it's much better to "practice like you'll play" with forehand, and throw a mold similar to your on the course mold, but a little more understable.
I throw the felon for most of my fairway driver forehand shots. I use the convict for field work sometimes, to drill spin generation and angle control. I think these things are way more important and instructive for developing your forehand than popping a putter at a basket 100 feet away
Thanks, just like back hand technique is what makes or breaks a shot.
Great work Brad. This will help me a ton.
Austin
Thank-you very much. After your help, I may throw more forehand now. After some training.
Great video! Thanks
Great video and instruction. Thank you!
Quality instruction.
Thanks!
Thanks for this. As a player that only throws backhand it seems to be really helping me as a player.
Thanks Brad.
"does it flop like a dead duck" Classic.
Good, This may be the one that's going to improve my sidearm :)
I hope it helps!
Love the simplicity!
Some great advice. Keeping it simple.
You explained all my problems in the first minute. Thanks 😂 sooo now to go practice
Awesome advice! Just started to focus on forehands so this really helps to give me direction.
Glad it was helpful!
Looks so smooth. 😊 What ig the distance was double that, how would the technoque change? Would it still stay compact and smooth? Thanks!
Keep these coming Brad!
Thanks, Brother!
Nice video. Gonna do these drills tomorrow :)
Nice video
Great video. I hope to focus on these types of shot when I do some field work
Good times !!
Good info thank you boss
Still looking good Brad! Get your butt up to Michigan next year for DGLO.
Gastroc/soleus much? Great advice...simple, straight forward and reproducible! Thx
Great tips. How much do I owe you for the lesson? LOL
I've actually thought of coming down and getting a lesson from you. You seem to help everyone with their game. I'm sure mine could use some tweaking. Backhand especially.
Would HIGHLY recommend. My game and confidence improved SO much more than anything else.
My issue is that If I get enough wrist snap to eliminate the flutter, the shots go too far. I just can't power down my forehand. Anything 150 feet and over is smooth with both stable and understable discs but 100 foot shots, I have to throw backhand.
So I can do all of these shots 9/10 times with a putter and have rang the basket from distances like this. But for the life of me I can't drive for shit. When I use a driver I'm either releasing really really early, nose up, way too much anhyzer, flutter or a combination of these. I just can't figure out how to add speed to match a faster disc without breaking my form.
Says to keep the elbow tight but that's not what I see in the video
exactly ... the best side-armers right now do not keep their elbow tight to the body. It varies based on what type of throw you're making. Watch when this guy throw hyzer vs. anhyzer and there's a huge diff in the distance between elbow/side on those two throws.
My wrist isn't flexible...Is there a way to get more rotation on the disc without having a lot of flexibility on the wrist? Thanks for the great vid...
That’s a tough one, not sure on that honestly. 😃
My wrists have no flexibility either buddy. I will say once you get the timing of everything down the limited movement won't matter as much as you think. You can still find a way to load the wrist
Nice video. Good for practice, but how do you get rid of the flutter? What the key?
The grip you have to have a firm grip and the disc has to snap through on a straight line and keep the palm up through and after release
Typically the flutter is from a lack of “snap” from what I see. It could be a combination of other things, too much arm involved, etc. Work on the snap and don’t try to throw it too hard. Smooth is the key!
Trying to compensate unwanted anhyzer with more overstable disc is so me😂
Just curious, what disc were you using in this video??? Thanks for posting.
Most were APX in either Jawbreaker plastic or the old Swirl plastic.
I was expecting a drill to improve my sidearm by getting a clean release. Instead I watched you practice throwing and called it a drill. I could make a video and name it "Improve your distance with this simple drill" and all I say is just throw further, practice on hyzer, flat, and anhyzer. All you have to do is just throw further, it's that simple.
What discs were you using? APX?
Yes, the old APX in the soft Swirl plastic. They do not make these in this old plastic, but do in Jawbreaker.
I wish I'd seen this video a year ago
It feels impossible to get these short shots flutter free. been working on it for weeks and it just makes no sense how to keep these suckers flying clean
Just @ me next time when you call out the bad forehand technique with way overstable discs :)
Haha, too funny!
You say keep elbow tight and demonstrate jamming it into your side but when you actually throw your elbow is not tight and there's a huge difference in elbow position between hyzer and anhyzer. Scott Stokely, one of the best sidearm throwers in history, says "elbow tight" is bad advice. This is a good practice drill.
Hey Dan, thanks for the feedback. You make a valid point, maybe I should have explained that better. When I say tight, I don’t mean attached to your hip. It’s a fine line, and an error I often see new players make. Their arm is way too far outside their body. It’s worked for me, maybe it won’t for you. I have known Scott for 100 years, he’s a good friend of mine. Have a great holiday, don’t lose sleep over this! 🥏😀
Except I'm one of the weird one's. I can forehand a putter every which way buy it doesn't translate to my drivers
I was distracted by those calves...
“Those aren’t calves, those are steers!!”
There are as many definitions of "snap" as there are disc golfers in the world. One sure fact about this term, is that it's extremely unclear because of that and in my opinion should be avoided in tutorials. It has to be possible to explain what you mean in one short sentence instead of using this one word. It only brings confusion and honestly I'm starting to cringe when I hear it. I've just seen David Feldbergs vid about back hand snap and right after Ezra was mentioning it in a tutorial but in a different meaning. I'm not saying anyone is wrong here, they just mean different things when they use that word, I like all those guys and I don't want to bounce back and forth between all those tutorial and get confused ;P
Damn dude. Maybe tighter underwear? I mean it's impressive but come on, I wanna learn a sidearm. Lol
I've been playing since 2000 and I've seen hundreds of people throw, and the one thing I've learned is that the ability to throw forehand has mostly to do with your hand shape and the natural flexibility of your wrist. My son could throw fh at age 6 like it was nothing. I've seen others who have seemingly excellent mechanics who can't get the flutter out no matter what they do or how many instructional videos they watch. I've personally never seen anyone who couldn't throw one clean actually learn to do so... either you can or you can't imho. Think about it... if it were possible for anyone to learn then obviously every single touring pro would have a killer forehand...
Nice video