Scrap CNC Machines / Can They Be Saved ?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 11 січ 2024
- In this video I purchase 2 CNC Machines for $350 apiece that are headed to the scrap yard. Will they run? Lets find out!
Skull caps
www.prestigemanufacturing.net...
DNC box
amzn.to/3H6XZNB - Наука та технологія
![KGT(TL, CM) [ENG]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/x-pz1WmiX0w/mqdefault.jpg)
Whoever owned those, respected them, and had employees that respected the equipment they used, so rare.
That’s so rare
Sir how I buy this type off old cnc machine
Email me
I’ve worked on these machines for the past 30 years, have access to all of the control and machine manuals.
Would be happy to help you figure out the issues.
Awesome!! Can you email me ? Prestigemanufacturingky@gmail.com
Wow! This is the comment one wants to read 👍 super cool! 👍👍👍
Once a toolaholic always a toolaholic...... Willing to give a helping hands is a gift. Respect Sir.
I have some manuals with parameters also but for Matsuura 710V, my machine does not zero out on any axis and spindle wont turn on,does it have to be all zeroed for the spindle to run?? maybe i have to service its encoders so it can home the axis..
@@sameworks I don't know this machine, but I'm guessing your spindle won't turn on until you have the axis zero'd out. That is likely a safety thing. Of course it all depends upon the machine designer, but I've seen this behavior before and it does make sense; as such, I'd push that problem down the stack until you get the zeroing figured out. With that in mind, it is also statistically improbably that *all* of your encoders have an issue with them (addressing your comment about NO axis will zero). A much more likely cause is user error (frankly, probably that is probably the most likely) or a parameter issue. I. don't know if Matsura uses/used a generic control, but if they did then you should understand that many controls are darned near incapable of doing anything without the proper parameters. It is like a person with a brain but a damaged spinal cord--the brain works but it cannot control the appendages. Many home sequences work by hitting a limit switch and then moving back to an encoder index pulse. But that limit switch is likely going to a generic INPUT pin on the CNC control. It is the parameters (and PLC) that define the actual function of the input. Anyhow, hope this helps a bit... Manuals are crucial... try to snag a set.
Man, that’s awesome, wish I could find a milling machine for $350 even if it wasn’t CNC 😂. Awesome video though and good luck with the machines!
Thanks 👍
The company I work for has a nearly identical MC-760VX and we formerly had a very similar MC-760V which also had a 4th axis. I'm very familiar with these machines mechanically, electrically, and programming wise.
You should be able to load programs with a modern PC with a serial port. Get your COM settings to match and have a high quality serial adapter.
If you have any specific questions, feel free to reach out and I'll do what I can to assist.
The 760VX is definitely the newer/better machine. You can probably retrofit the 4th from the 760V to it if you want.
Thanks man I appreciate it🙏
Honestly i would primarily look at the enclosed unit. Controls are more familiar to you. But if it was me I would just keep both and make them my primary units that I would use. Might not need the 4th axis now but could start getting into that.
Definitely something to think about. Thanks 🙏
That's insane, dude. Score of a lifetime.
Thanks 🙏
I hope you can get them going, I hate seeing things just get junked. Your level of confidence is amazing to just dive in, every time I do something wrong on a computer I have to get my wife to fix it and she says why did you do that? The price was crazy. My 50 yr old Bridgeport is worth way more than that and couldn't do anything compared to those machines. Really enjoying your videos!
Thanks man i really appreciate it🙏
Fantastic deal, they are well looked after! I hope you get them set up as you want them.
Thank you 😀
If it was up to me, i would keep both. Figure out which one is the more useful for right now, keep the others in storage until you needed it or grow your business where you will need it.
That’s a good idea. Thanks 🙏
I fixed matsuura machines for many years. They look in fantastic condition. Good luck!
Thank you 😁
WOW! what a great score. Way back in the late 70's, used to write code on a flexiwriter. Seeing that paper tape brought back the memories
Wow!!
It`s a joyful time too watch machines like that..... clean and neat.
I always look for how clean the machines are when I visit a shop. It will tell me a lot about the company and the people working there. Once I came to a company and did see dirt all over the place, I did simple walk out silenced and having the manager trying to get my name because the company was in need of workers.
The price is just a symbolic action from the seller because they thinking these machines deserve to live on. But it`s a shame you didn't get the manuals with it..... but but some time you cant get it ALL at once.
Thanks 🙏
Those old school matsura's are legendary, the rapids aren't insane but they can take serious cuts and hold tight tolerances while doing it. I had the chance to get an old Mazak fully tooled with CAT50 a couple years ago and a Mazak horizontal machining center fully tooled for free. Sadly I was 17 at the time still working out of my mom's 1 car garage so I didn't have room for them. They were in similar condition to your matsura's
Nice man. Thanks for the support!
Ah man- that sucks that you could not get them.
Did have similar experience .... but was forced to say no..... bitter as hexx
Keep looking! The cold hard reality is that there are a lot of older machines out there that are not being used. Eventually the owners, who have already depreciated the machines to zero and are using new equipment, realize that they want the space. They've already made their money off the machines, but they try to sell them, often without success because the machines are not commercially viable. The astute home guy can sometimes make a deal of "I'll get a rigger to remove the machine and you won't have to dispose of the headache." In other words... you get it for free. I ended up with a machine that way (although it was the owner that approached me after he couldn't sell it). The guy even gave me all the tooling, manuals, PLUS a rotary axis (kind. of like you, Prestige). It was a stellar setup.
The key is to *always* be polite and friendly. If you are a PITA, that won't get you anywhere because they'll just find someone willing to junk the machine just because you were difficult. But wait your time and you may very well come across something for free/cheap. The hardest part about this, however, is the "how long will it take." The reality is, it might take 1 week or it could be two years...
Please talk more about finding transportation/riggers for moving machines like these, and the associated costs.
I definitely will
I believe it. I saved a Matsurra twin spindle from 97 with an I80 control. The shop closed due to the owners retirements with Matsurras going back to the late 70 still running. The same shop bought 5020 Fadals in 97 and 2000, and then started going with robodrills. At the auction I found a computer sales manual from like the late 70s if memory serves me correctly.
Nice!!
I hear about these deals and never find one😢 congrats on the find of a lifetime (at least for me it would be!) Beautiful!!🎉
Thank you 🙏
Good lord sell it all and bank that money!!!! Keep getting good deals and rehabing the machines. You are quickly becoming the CNC Rehab Maestro!!!!
Thanks 🙏 😀
What a steal! I, as a hobbiest, would go all in on converting it to linux-cnc, probably making it worse than it is right now. Drip-feed looks like a cool option, tho. And I would keep both. I'd never sell one of those, knowing I got it for $350 - there's no cost to recoup - and those machines would make plenty of money if you put them to work.
🙏🙏
You know... I've been there and done that. There are positives and negatives associated with a conversion. First, they take a LONG time, especially on a fairly complex machine like the Matsura. The tool changer could give you a ton of headache. I spent way too long converting a simple machine and just before I finished, someone gave me a very nice Dyna DM4400m which was far nicer than the converted machine. I pulled all the materials off so I've got them if I need them but I don't know if I'll use the stuff. The reality is that the Mitsubishi control may be old, but it works. The "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" comes into play here. The wiring is excellent, the capabilities are excellent, etc, etc. And.... the tool changer works. So, what do I really get with a LinuxCNC? Frankly, at the end of the day, I realized I got less than what I had if I just drip fed to the machine.
I'm definitely not saying you are wrong. Every situation is different. But, in my case, I think I've made the right decision to hold off on any conversion.
@@Alan-gz1kx Nah, that's exactly what I was thinking. Sure - it wouldd be cool to retrofit the whole machine with a LinuxCNC frontend/backend - But drip-feed just works. And if this machine could do more, than the limits, I'm pretty sure, they enable it. This is a a perfectly good machine with a simple serial interface - it's like a 4000 pound 3D-Printer.
That machine looks like it is in great shape. Your observation that the back wall and the control console is clean is spot on for checking condition. I have to believe they gave you the price that they did because you were the only one that would save them. I guess no one wants to mess with these older machines. They work. Perhaps they are worried about all those electronics in the cabinet?
The company was closing and had to get them out. That’s why I was able to get such a good deal
I run a 760 everyday, good machines, owned it for 30 years. The old Yaz controls are slow, hard to get parts for , have no support from yaskawa and the 626 mk2 spindle drives like to blow up. the phasing has nothing to do with the tool changer, they are hydraulic, both of the machines are the same, one has the full enclosure. You might wanna become friends with Satto... A Matsuura will show a Haas up for what it is. They are worth running and certainly worth a retrofit.
Thanks for the insight !
This is phenomenal, this is jackpot lucky. congrats
Thank you 🙏
fun video, I'm new to CNC and it's fun to see these old machines, they look really neat
Welcome aboard!
i am very happy for you , great buy, God blessing you, good luck ✅👍🙂
Thanks so much!
So Jealous, I want to find just a knee mill at such a great deal! Nice score. Awesome vid as usual man
Thanks man. I have a knee mill I’d sell you super cheap. Watch my video with the Bridgeport and press brake. I still have that one if your interested
Where state are you in? Love that BP but it may be a whole other entity shipping it up here. Very intrigued at the offer though. Would like to look into it a bit farther possibly@@prestigemanufacturing2611
Love that machine, great condition. with lack of post processor, we use to use these types of machines for simple stuff, training, and production runs - not so much of the standard job shop stuff where 4 different jobs go in it in a day, too much manual post editing. but I am jealous, great buy
Thanks 🙏
im not an engineer but I enjoyed the enthusiasm. Crazy that these machines were all but consigned to the scrap bin, the world we live in. Seems that your CPR was a succes.
Thanks for the support I appreciate it
Nice get! I am happy with my 700 dollar clapped out bridgeport, I dont know how elated I would feel getting that deal. That little bed mill needs to be in a museum haha.
😂😂😂
We actually had an MX2 control yasnac 760. Was a really bulletproof machine ran for decades even though we neglected the living crap out of it. We never figured out how to drip feed rs232. But I did write a program that ran on an old dos PC that access the parallel port in a pin by pin methods that allowed us to drip feed... It also had subprogram support... I'll check and see if I still have the source code. You will need a DOS computer with a parallel to run it.
Nice!! Let me know. Thanks 🙏
Willing to give a helping hands is a gift. Respect Sir.
Insanely clean 🤩
🙏🙏
Hi. New viewer to channel and semi retired from shop maint. So, I am seeing new machines as components. And all of the configure to shop. But I simply urge you to have a hard look at the various electrical devices and runs. This is where a time part and particular care must be expended to a factual best available placement as no abrasion, best locate as away from any flammable and damp, water as drain, ect. Typically, the care and well thought out domain as source to machine is tailored to fully protected enclosure and strain relief. With the near future constant as to productive and paying jobs, a time as to address power is needed.
And I hope, you will capture a bit as more fully installed, you see. I am cheering for your good fortune and those spindles looked well cared for. My shop is small, but I want one at once. M.
🙏
Man!, so jealous. Not that I would even remotely have a use for them. That said, I would keep both of them. Good for you on those machines!
Thanks 👍 I appreciate it
How much you want for them?? Just kidding- I wish I could have a place for them and a real use for them. Actually, now that I said it, just out of curiosity, how much are such machines really worth? I have no frame of reference- non of my business but just curious. Thanks for the great video. Learned a lot. @@prestigemanufacturing2611
350 US is an incredible price! But it's not the total price and not the running costs for the machine's operating materials. These machines are particularly valuable if someone uses them in all their functions. I have always been amazed by the smooth movements of the axes, spindles, tool changers and the interaction and can watch it for hours. As a little boy, I watched washing machines at work. I don't know why, it fascinated me for a long time and in my head I was on a space mission with robots and my best friend as a co-pilot... thanks for your videos
Thanks for watching 🙏
This really looks like a modernization project for the UA-camr RotarySMP and LunoxCNC. The Mechanics are great, you just need a new controller.
But you are right it is a great machine.
Good luck with these machine.
Thank you
lol this machine brings back memories, I worked on very similar one, ages ago :D
Nice!
BRO!!! Keep both of these machines to good of a deal !!! In my eyes to DAM CLEAN to sell.
Thanks 🙏
try swapping two phases .. I have tried the same with a leadwell milling machine that also went kuk kuk in the tool changer
man such a nice buy on that. I'd have to keep the second one and move the 4th axis over :) Either way awesome purchase
I thought about doing that lol but I probably couldn’t even sell the bed mill without the table on it
As far as which one to keep, that depends on what you want to use them for. Both have Box ways which means they are meant for heavy side cut forces, but the accuracy suffers in the smaller part range. (Maybe less than .5 inch) This also means that there is a wear spot on all axis, might consider having them scraped if ya wanna get serious. The open bed one seems to take less maintenance (No spindle chiller and does not require air.) My guess is that the enclosed one is designed for machining plastic injection molds, super fine precision. The open bed is more a general purpose machine. In no way am I saying it is less of a machine. Any Matsuura of this vintage is known for HIGH QUALITY of manufacture. In closing, if what you manufacture fits in the open bed one keep it. If you are making injection mold tooling, keep the enclosed one.
🙏
Awesome score!!
Thanks !
It amazes me how one can get fully working, really well maintained cnc machines like that. You would be able to start making a lot of money directly on those machines. I would expect that a machine like that would go closer to like what 4-5k atleast?
Just shipping them would be way more than you payed for the machines.
Definitely
i buy and work on some cnc machines mainly under 10000 lbs,i bought four milltronics for scrap price thinking i would put new controlers on. However each had their own problems but everyone booted up and was saved. fusion 360 has a post for them that works flawlessly.Every day i learn new things and trouble shoot.
Nice!!!
when will the video when you test them with a modern program, great purchase and I can't wait to see what's next
Soon. I’m setting up one of them now to run some parts
Man i love your channel
Thanks for the support man. I really appreciate it. 😃
I have fusion post processor that I use on my MX3 control, I would be happy to share. Also have some videos on using this control on my you tube channel. Thanks for these videos on the old machines.
Definitely man ! Can you email me it? Prestigemanufacturingky@gmail.com
Very nice.
Thank you 🙏
Keep these machines man !
I may do that! Thanks for the support 🙏
Keep em both.
I mite 😀
Don’t be foolish my brother, GOD BLESSED YOU WITH THESE TWO AMAZING FULLY Functional CNC MACHINES WHICH NEW WERE PROBABLY $180,000 and $220,000 respectively . You got truly blessed now when you need a job done you still have the other machine available keeping them both increase your production. If you need tools there’s several surplus companies.
🙏🙏
Dude you need to go buy a lottery ticket right now with the luck you have lol. I can't believe how clean they are man.
Thanks man 🙏
what a score. congrats
Thanks 🙏
For the Problem with the Tool changer, i would Check the Break of the Tool change Motor or the relay, it Looks Like it changes the Tool and changes it again. So i think ist overrunning its stop Position.
Best regards
Flo
Thanks for the info !
I've got a eagle surface grinder and shadowgraph that came out of Rolls Royce lab in 1990s its was in factory condition still as accurate a d clean as the day it was built.
Nice!
Great condition on both. $350 for Matsuura ain't bad at all.
🙏
Luckily you can just get a tubular lock pick to open that back panel, you can also use it to find out what bitting the actual lock is so you can order a key if needed
Thanks for the info 🙏
I would try changing gears with the air connected. Many machines need air for gear changes to work as they are air operated. Not sure about yours but worth a try
Idk what it is about CNC machining but this is so interesting. Never used one in my life but i want to get one😂. Teaching myself fusion 360 to design parts on my 3d printer.
That’s how I started my CNC journey with Fusion360
What coolant were they using that the paint is still in such good condition?!?
Just subscribed, mucho interesting!!!
Awesome, thank you!
On the old yasnaks and fanucs you have to call the t-line before the M6 line. If you put them on the same line it would alarm.
Like this
T1;
M6;
Ah.. thanks man
not true, M6T1 will load T1, you put the next tool on the next line
@@Zeusspuppit depends on the machine but a lot of machines will alarm if the T number is on the same line as the M6. I had an Enshu that had a Fanuc 6M control that would do the same thing his is doing with the arm when I would put the T# and M6 on the same line. Once I figured out that it didn't like that I hardly had any problems with the toolchanger from that point on.
@@christopherzeiger9321 , I dont know about an Enshu with a 6m, I own two Matsurra 760's, same as above and they will absolutely pick up a tool with M6 and the tool number. Same yaznac control.
RS232 (depending on the device) only needs 3 pins at minimum, so that machine probably uses RTS/CTS and some other features contained within the RS232 (now TIA-232) standard.
Nice 🙏thanks for the advice
Dude, with enough space, you hit a jackpot!
Even 4th axis, for $350, that's insane and likely better than the budget stuff from Haas nowadays.
Yasnac looks like retrofit, usually Fanuc 0 or 6M, on these machines.
Thanks 🙏
You had a choice of fanuc 6m or a yaz mx 1. Later on it was a 11m or a 10m and or an mx2 or mx3. Nobody would put a 30 year control on as a retrofit. The yaz is almost identical to the fanuc as far as functionality.
Could air be used to shift the transmission? Air might be used for spindle orintation locking too. The double arm tool changer was changing 1 + 3/4 tool changes. Other machine double arm toolchangers use a brake motor to STOP arm movement. Maybe the brake is worn out due to a limit switch not switching. Never ran a Matsura, I have only herd great things about them, awsome purchase!
Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it!
You want to buy a Fadal 4020? I just bought it today but it’s too heavy for my home garage 😢. 10k pounds sitting on 3-4 inch foundation haha. I was so excited, ready to start my own shop .
Send me a email. Prestigemanufacturingky@gmail.com
Me and my dad just bought a 2000 haas vf3 to start up a shop that is in similar condition to the two you bought although we actually paid a decent sum of money for it
Nice!!
Who finds a cnc machine for $350 that’s insane and to have them be in such good shape? Finds of a lifetime.
🙏
What a steal!!!
🙏
Looks like Christmas came early this year.
M3 should give you confirmation that the phases are correct... right? If spindle rotates clockwise with M3, that should imply the R, S & T are correct. A single phase/240V machine doesn't have a polarity or phase orientation...
Your right 😀
Keep both
Thanks 🙏
You mentioned you liked they had the +z- but I've yet to run a machine the z up wasn't +
I work in a long and large part machine shop, and I tell everyone when they're getting a tool out of a part to remember they're "positive" they want to take z up
My shop has a MC 760 and an MC 1000 and both are in great shape. The 760 needs an electronics upgrade
Nice!!
These screens are immaculate then taps on it, grubby fingers leaving marks all over lol
😂
Keep both!!! You don't do any 4th axis work because why would you quote/take a job you're not equipped to run...? Right? BUT... now you can! The deal you got here, imo, it'd be foolish to squander the long term potential you have with these 2 machines.
Also, Spindle start clockwise M03, counterclockwise M04, spindle stop command is M05.
Thanks for the input 🙏
I had found your video and then found a surplus company with a robot which uses a tool cabinet unfortunately I am in an apartment. I think I will need to get with my nephew and start a lease and get my shop together.
Definitely go for it!
Man I'd love to have one of those
🙏
Yasnac mx3 can take input from rs232 for sure. I'm pretty sure ive drip fed a matsuura mc500vss (old red one like a fire truck)
Nice! I drip fed a red one with the yasnak i80 controller. So hopefully these older controllers will drip feed too
Those are minty!! They look barely used. Nice score.
Thanks 🙏
Man I wish I could find one of those for the price!!! Im a hobbyist but I would keep the 4th axis machine
🙏thanks for the comment and support
Could it be the high-gear on the second machine needs air too to change? So, maybe try to set it in high-gear again with the air hooked up.
I think that was the problem. I haven’t had a chance to try it again yet.
Keep both of them.
Thanks 🙏
Started my apprenticeship on one of these, still alot of these around in small shops in Australia, usually sell around the 5k range, what a bargain.
Nice!!
I was thinking 7500 here in the states maybe a little more if you could prove there low hours
You have no idea how jealous I am. lol
Wow! Incredible! How relevant are these machines today? Should I be looking for deals like this? I realize this is a RARE find but hot damn, I could afford to purchase, ship and buy tooling for this machine all at once! Lol
They can definitely be used for modern CNC machhining
Needs air for tool changer and gear change I believe, It sure sounded like an air solenoid clicking everytime you commanded high gear, my fadal 3016HT sounds exactly the same when I forget to turn the air on.
💯
Check your retention knob length
Wow, I'm so jealous, where I live I could not even buy a dilapidated manual mill for that money.
I’m sorry to hear that
Even a dividing head included 😮.
💯
Did you try to change to high gear after you hooked air up to it?
Not yet but I’m hopeful that’s why it wouldn’t go into high gear
Нифига се - такие станки нахаляву выцепил - поставишь на них новую электронику и будешь радоватся! 👍👍👍
🙏
Nice!
Thanks!
Could the non-switching to high gear be a result of not having air on it in the beginning? Just throwing out ideas.
I’m pretty sure that’s what it is after thinking about it. I haven’t tried it again yet.
@@prestigemanufacturing2611 It looked almost like it was running out of air. It seemed to slow down as the cycle ran. How big is your air tank? Maybe pressure is dropping too fast causing it to mess with the timing.
duh keep them both lol where did you get your phase converter from? I got a glance of the sticker and looked like same guy I got mine from. where are you located?
I mite just keep both lol. I got my converter from a guy in Michigan off eBay. I’m in Louisville Kentucky
@@prestigemanufacturing2611 yea same guy he is local to me
You thief you got a hell of a deal. In 2003-07 I was a maintenance man in a factory and work on one of those machine it was a great machine kept in crappy condition but we had very little problems with it.We ran on RS232
😂 thanks
lucky you!!
🙏
Huh... never run any Fryer equipment before, mostly Park and Denver.
💯
You have to run the program on that tape.
I’m super curious to see what’s on it myself lol
@@prestigemanufacturing2611 no joke I am interested in one of these or another machine. I have a traditional machine shop and want a CNC mill with a 4th axis. I will email you.
@@williamhamill813 I emailed back 😀
rs232 only needs 3 wires. a twisted pair to communicate and a single wire for the handshake. should be pins 2,3, and 7 machine side 2,3 and 5 pc side. youll probably need to drip that old girl to do much with it using modern cam. if its lost the params no worries. real easy to get back into it. you enter all the comm's stuff by hand {8 bit binary} then push the other 200 pages through the rs232 connection. You will def want to get that working again! cheap and easy to do so. put a pcmcia db9 card in your pc. get a db9 to db25 cable. youll probably need a db25 to db25 jumper box as well, if you gotta move some pins around. easy peasy! the free software i use is called NCLink.
Nice, thanks for the input!
Did you check gearchange after you got air to it? Because this machine might work different.
I didn’t. But I thought about it after I went home and I’m pretty sure it was because I don’t have air to the machine
I wondered the same thing. I bet the gear change mech is air powered
I thought the same thing.
I know these machines by heart. Yasnac control mx2 or mx3 rigging cost $1,500 per machine, if not more. Drip feed at 1200 max maybe ?
I’m definitely going to lower the baud rate. Any tips on setting the tools and work offset?
Score bro, what a score...
Thanks man
Super scored 😱
💯