Making Money on a Machine that's HOW OLD?! | CNC Machining at a Job Shop
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2023
- Follow me through the basics of starting and completing a job at a CNC job shop. I go through reverse engineering with a 3D scanner to programming and machining complete parts. All on a machine that is older than me?!
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Hi, my name is Andrew and I have been in the manufacturing industry basically since I was born. With exposure coming from my dad, I naturally took an interest in manufacturing and engineering. Now 24 years old, I have a passion for CNC machining and being in the business of utilizing fixturing, tooling, programming, etc. to make parts efficient while maintaining that dead-nuts accurate “DNA” precision.
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Insta: @dnamfg
Questions: info@dnamfg.com
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I work on many machines from the the mid 80s-90s and they still run parts really well. It amazes me how well this technology holds up, and I think it always will.
Not only great work making these parts.
But, also great work taking the time to make this video 👍👍
It's enough to make parts, add to that make it into a video 😬
IF you do get a chance to show more including sharing more about the program.
You can put me down as at least 1 view 🤗
Thanks for taking the time to bring us along 😉
Appreciate that! It was very hard not to get into detail 😮💨 just didn’t want it to be an hour+ video. But could be something to look out for in the future 👀
Thanks for taking the time to make this! Your choice of shot angles was great. Subbed for the future programming and process talks 👍
Thanks! Looking forward to posting more informative stuff soon
I really enjoy watching videos made like this. I can't wait to see the programming side
Nice work. Very efficient work flow. Attention to detail, and just overall logistics of minimizing error. Killin man, subscribed.
Great work. The shop i'm at has a mazak SQT 15M-Y from 1993, still pumping out parts like a champ.
yeah please do more for programming and explain the machining strategies. Thanks for sharing 👍
Great work. Love to see this older equipment still being used
Looks really good! Thanks for this video and the description.
Man love the vibe just a chill laidback machinist
Great video! Love this new channel can’t wait to see the growth of the channel and machining you do!
Thanks, appreciate that!
Great work keep the videos coming!
Nice work great video as a fellow cnc operator i love watching chips fly 👍
I enjoy this kind of content dude. Thank you kindly for the edutainment!
Super interesting! Thanks for posting!
Excellent work. Great video. Thanks!
Awesome video. I loved your explanations and that you showed a mistake at the end. I appreciate it because we all make them. Subscribed and excited for future videos
Heck yeah! Keep it up! Keep the trade alive.
Great video! - Would love to see that programming video too and how you thought through your various setups
Great video! Thanks for sharing!
In almost 40 years of machining, an SH633 was and is my favorite machine. Good video.
It really does produce such good quality and very reliable. Thanks for the watch!
Mine best so far is Haas VF2 (I am a youngin in trade who's learning all the tips & tricks, and intricacies when it comes to cutting material.) But as experience goes, that might change and I know that some machines would take the lead over VF2
This was a nice surprise from my recommended :) . Almost the exact same Mori I run. Always has battery issues and the b-axis only moving in 1 degree increments yet it's still one of my favorite machines. Good video :) . Got my sub.
Appreciate that! Yeah wish it was full b-axis but still a great machine
nice to see some real cnc work.. keep it up
I have recently bought my first cnc machine. A CNC lathe, Mori Seiki SL 25. Such a good machine, well built and rigid. Thanks for the cool video. Nice machine👍
I’m not a machinist, but I can tell that the 3d scanner was a game changer when it comes to reproducing existing parts. Cool video.
I really like your choice of splitting up the roughing OPs. We usually do that as well when we have to remove a lot of metal and it improves the quality of your part and eliminates the need to chase dimensions due to material stress relieving itself. We have 3 SH-630's that are on a pallet pool system. Between the cell controller and having 2 separate load stations, that machine is a beast at productivity. Unfortunately its getting time to phase it out but even after 25 years that machine is still kicking it.
Yeah, exactly my thought. Sounds like an awesome setup you got there, I imagine you can crank out tons of parts 😮💨
Good job; and keep it up 👍
Horizontal is the way to go!! Mori Seiki is high end machine . clean work!
Excellent video! Subscribed :)
nice work ,great video , you just got a new follower
I had a SH-40 before insold my shop jn '09 Great machine!!!
Class Video
That's like the perfect job for a horizontal. Chip evacuation at its finest. Good job.
Tell me about it 🤌
Thanks..
Programming and manufacturing stages. A video showing all the stages, including CAM making, would be great.
We bought a SH-50 Mori made in 94 with a Fanuc 16 controller for 7k. It had a bad powermate. It took us a couple months to fix the old girl up. It has a 12k spindle and came with a bunch of tombstones. The girl runs all day 12 hours without a problem holding .0002 through the day. Load and go pretty much.
I rather have the old iron than the new stuff. Better made with I can work on it if breaks.
Great editing, great machining, and a really, really engaging format. I'm looking forward to more videos in the future!
Did you use the actual mesh and mesh program to give you the model surfaces, or did you just use it as a reference to create your own geometry?
Appreciate that! I used the mesh to get silhouettes that I can then dimension and constrain. Thinking about making a more technical video on the design and programming so look out for that soon
@@dnamfgthat would be cool, I find it hard to work with a scan file as a starting point , would be neat to see your flow deep dive with it
Nice job!
Nice work!
That’s pretty sweet setup work
Thanks forsharing. Use the same drill/bit combo for debur
Great video
Beautiful job and well done man,,👍
Appreciate that!
You look so much like Edge Precision! So cool
Cool video, I love watching how other people setup and program their jobs, generally it’s different to how I would have approached it so good to see all the different ways to do a job. I’m a massive horizontal fan. How old is that machine? it looks very similar to a 1998 Mazak htc-400. I have a Mazak fh5800 which I make aluminium parts on.
Forgot off the top of my head but I know from the 90s. Look out for the next video, going to post a deep dive into the technical stuff of this project!
I'm still making money on two Okuma MC4 VAE mills that were made in 1992!
Some of them old machines really do hold their own, even these days
Horizontals have one major advantage in my eyes and that is chip evacuation. I'm working on 2 vertical spindle machines (Haas VF2 SSYT 2020 machine, Dahlih MCV 720 idk which year that is, but all I can say is that it is quite a bit older) (in my company we have only 2 mills and it's enough to do all the work necessary for company needs - we're making parts for ourselves if you could say that)
Edit: I would love to make parts of that size, that would be really cool and fun to machine.
Thanks. I really enjoyed the video. Subbed for more!
Good job, with the part and videography.
One suggestion- use corncob roughers, not only can you cut faster but the chips compress better and don't clog everything up.
YG1 chip splitters!
This 👆
Thank you
Great vid. Older Moris are together and accurate. How do you know what the feature tolerances should be?
Nice work
oh man... way way back, I ran one of these machines that was spanking new, new enough they were still enginerding the coolant filter and larger tanks... I wasn't exactly new to machining then either, was the first shop I became a manager of edit... and its parked next to a VF6? flash backs man... but that shop is no more so?
A friend of mine has a CNC machine that is older than _I_ am, and I am 56. It's a Kearney and Trecker from (I think) 1958. It's not running the original controller, he has converted it ti LinuxCNC.
Next investment: Renishaw probing system. Takes your set ups to the next level and greatly reduces your set up times.
I installed more of those SH series than i can count back in the day.
You may use Haimer Centro tool to find the hole center easily and precisely.
Can you also make a video about programming and tool selection with offsets in machine, I too recently bought a 1980 VMC as my first machine
good old edge finder. What was your step over for your end mills when roughing? Full DOC I'm assuming for the most part?
I like this video make more video like this❤
I regularly work on a SH-63 with a 400mm rotary table for simultaneous 5 axis, almost just 5 axis work.
Machine is top specced with HPCC and large dataserver, I prefer it over the newer machines we have.
Oh man, that must be a nice setup!
It also has bigplus dual contact 50 taper spindle.
Linear rails and ball screw on Z is scheduled for replacement next year. @@dnamfg
Great work, really nice finishes. Question, why do you use an old edge finder and not like a Haimer ?
Trust me…I wish I could 😮💨
Great work man! would be nice if possible sharing what they paid for this? Very involved process .
I'm all manual. But I want to learn to cnc. As soon as i can afford one, I'm gonna get one.
Thanks for posting. Subbed if there are options sold based on this channel I’m a buyer 😅. Good luck
3D scanner do you have a link to this or are you doing a Video on the 3D scanner its super cool :)
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Loved the video. My question is, how do you get a program that large into a machine that old? I run a little Sharp 2412 VMC circa 2003. If I tried to load even the first op, I couldn't even fit one tenth of it into my machines memory, let alone 2 roughing and 2 finish ops.
Nice observation…so I actually have to use arc smoothing to produce a lot less code. This usually insures I’ll have enough space. But also I believe the prior owners of this machine upgraded the memory bc it has 2MB
Not to mention it takes like 20min to send code that is around 100kb
Nice
Nice work. But if it was me. I would dovetail the part n jaws. Hog out the part with a 3/4 em at max speed n feed at least 250 . I agreed how u did the 1st op. But would make a fixture to bolt down the threaded holes n support the thin outer wall for second op. I hope this Offended u but dovetail is the way to go when roughing
What an awesome machine. Sure, I'll go for some programming details. What is the part you made?
Next video I’m going to deep dive into the technical stuff, look out for it! It’s part of a feeder assembly
Nice work bro. What scanner are you using? I'm looking at getting one for our shop.
That was a handy scan black elite. On the more expensive side, but trust me it’s worth every penny. Makes a world of difference when you’re doing the reverse engineering
Hello, non machinist here. But like watching machinist videos. Couple of questions.
On older machines, how do you transfer what you program in Solidworks or your CAD program, to the machine? Do you punch it in manually?
How much money did you earn on this job. If it's too personal, feel free not to answer. I don't have a reference point to what a job like this would earn you. That's why I'm asking.
I subbed for future videos. Nice format! Feel free to make a video of your workflow, from start to finish.
Working on a video that will hopefully answer all your questions! 🙌
Your a badass good work bud😂
Nice job, could you please tell me the model and brand of 3d Scanner? and if it has its own software to pass the mesh to cad? thank you
bruv i used to machine on some polish manual lathe machine from the 1953 iirc and on some machines cnc lathes etc from 1980-1990s
Dang bro, you have to tell me what is that finishing tool your using on the outside of the part. It sounds really good for being so long. Looks like 3 inches. My guess 3 flute 3 inch, 1/2 diameter? What are your speeds and feeds?
YG-1 5/8” endmill. I love the YG endmills for aluminum
nice video, take my subscription 😁
good old SH40… 👍🏼
Why is coolant used sometimes, and other times not? Interesting video.
Just for filming purposes!
I love old machines, high production of the same part I would be bored after 1 day, don't want the stress of payments from a new machine.
Hi. Good Video 😁 My Q is Whats the point of splitting rough and finish for 2 ops/setups?
Very good question, based on the feedback I’ve gotten I’m going to make a video going more in-depth on the technical details. Look out for that!
With as much material as he's removing the part is going to flex and mover around. By roughing the entire thing out first the residual stress in the material will relax. Large pieces of material often have internal stresses in them that can cause the part to warp if not processed correctly. In this case if he roughed and finished the first side then took the material off the back of the part there is a good chance that his first op features would warp and shift around on him.
What software you use for reverse engineering first scan it in vx elements then which one to convert to cad please share
I used Geomagic DesignX for this, but I also like using vx elements to extract all the geometry and silhouettes I need and then doing a live transfer to SW
oldest machine i worked on was an Ixion that had a tag that said " Made in West Germany".
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Haven't seen one of those 3D scanners be used for modelling before, what sort of general tolerance can they hit?
In the video he says accurate to a few tenths. I imagine if you just plug in that mesh model to CAM you’d get an irregular finish due to the way the model is made.
That is correct, which is why you have to reverse engineer it in CAD first
what did your 3d scanner cost
Hello sir, I'm about to open a workshop. Do you recommend me this machine to start the bussiness?
this is awesome! Im hoping to make this my career soon! Do you have a degree of any kind?
I do not, just been in the industry since high school. Learned as I went!
@@dnamfg awesome!! If you DID go to university, what would you have wanted to study?
Either mechanical engineering or manufacturing engineering (which is not as widely offered)
And I’m here watching this salivating while my shi*ty Genmitsu looking sad making molds for my small plastic injection machine…
Awsome to see parts being machined. I'm on the other side of that. A machinery mover/rigger. Cool! 👍
a miss is good as a mile
your dad is that guy with the integrex? you sound exactly the same haha
You talking about Edge Precision? 😂
do you own the shop?
good old sh-40 xD
Do you have a website?
Not yet! But I have an insta @dnamfg
You think this machine is old? You should see my shop! 😂
good shit man parts look mint, if you havent already try Helical endmills sometime, they absolutely shred, ive used YG recently and while theyre definatley a great endmill i find myself always going back to helical. keep up the good work.
I’ve used helical a few times, but for the price and surface finish YG has me 😮💨 but maybe I’ll give helical another shot
What kind of scanner this is ?
Creaform handy scan black elite
@@dnamfg thanks! Merry Christmas!
Excellent video production and topic. I'm encouraged that there are indeed young skilled craftsmen out there. Unlike the 20ish moronic snowflakes i encounter daily.
Ha appreciate that 😂
What I want to know is what are the deets on those full length of cut deep pocket tool paths? Super sexy
Look out for the next video. Going to do a deep dive into the technical stuff!
This will change when you get older.
I promise.