Not a bad video. I agree that MHA didn't do the best job of showing the flaws of hero society but I believe this is mainly because MHA more focus on the superpower society instead of hero society of it world.
You’re right and this is something that bothered me for a while now. Mha is much bleaker than it lets on to be but that’s the entire point. It’s told not shown. And I find it very ironic how it’s mostly a happy go lucky series while canonically having multiple forms of discrimination based on quirks
I believe that this is where the vigilantes spin-off manga shines. Not only does it tie well with events of the main series but also it highlights the more civilian/"normal" part of the BNH verse ( how society really goes when heroes like All- Might are not there etc). You can really see how quirk types tend to affect how ppl view and treat each other on a daily basis.
@ I think the vigilantes shines by having koichi progress his quirk. Instead of it being a sudden burst in power like quirk evolution you see koichi level up like a staircase. First he figures out how to climb on walls then how to stop then he clings to walls then he figures out how to fight with it
This is really tied to the fact that a lot of Shonen Mangaka are artists first, not storytellers and while there are exceptions you really get to the point where you have to start to wonder if they even think about what they're writing. A lot of MHA is that it presents ideas but just leaves you to ponder them yourself rather than the series actually giving you a reason to think about them. I mean real talk it has so much going for it that just falls flat because Koehi didn't write it in very well. The same issue lies within another popular manga and anime right now, Jujutsu Kaisen. Gege Akutami is NOT a writer and has written himself into a corner so many times that he has to try and BS his way through it and present new ideas that sometimes completely conflict with what he wrote before just because 'well I had to get the characters out of that situation somehow'. I just wonder why these mangaka don't hire someone to write or at least draft their stories for them, I'm all for creative freedom and all that but sometimes you just need to bounce ideas off someone else or a team of people so they can point out anything inconsistent or that wouldn't work. Taking a look at something that was heavily edited from it's original drafts is JoJo Part 5 Golden Wind. Araki had so many ideas that his editor just shut down and as a result we have one of the most praised parts of JoJo. The power of just having someone else on your team to help you form the story of your manga can make it from faltering to great. Anyways yeah my take is that MHA started to fall off Post Overhaul and hasn't been good since. Granted Overhaul's arc started it's downfall in my opinion (I'm not a hardcore MHA fan).
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I agree. MHA has its moments that are enjoyable later in the story. The main reason I claim that it falls off after stain is due to the expectations that the arc builds. It gives you a false idea of what this story is and what the world is like. With that expectation, everything that comes after is confusing or makes little sense.
Would have been cool if there was an arc that focused on a popular hero who creates disasters just for em to solve the issue with no problem thus artificially inflating his stats as hero for the people he saved and gaining popularity cause of it. Not an original idea but it can help hammer home the idea/theme that just because your a hero doesn't mean you are a hero.
MHA should've taken the One Piece approach to things. Take it's time to explore all the themes it wants to convey. Horikoshi had a lot cooking in the oven he just didn't have the time to explore things and really build the final war. We had groups that were racist for different reasons that felt like foot notes in the series, the corruption of hero society, the expectations on the kids. There was just too much. MHA should've been as longer, there was just so much to do.
Mha is way too short for the world it's trying to build yet we got way more characters than the story needs....definitely should've been a longer series
I fully agree with the point you are doing. I think I'd even generalize it a little. I think the flaw of this manga is linked to the inability of its writer to fully develop and build his story to convey specific messages. Everything stays really superfluous and superficial. We can list a lost of example of this, you already listed a few with : - the deprecation of heroes system which was to be outed by Stain. By the end we see it only with the fact that 1 hero seems to participate more in doing commercials than doing hero's things... and that's all. - the characters motivations around being rejected by society, but the story still makes the vilains (+ Gentle) choice almost nonsensical regarding their backstories compared to the reason they actually tell to follow AFO. I'll add to this list everything around the mutation quirks and the racism around it. We never actually see it or have any clue until the very end of the manga to establish and fortify our belief that this issue is present. It's even quite the opposite : it's so lacking straight from the beginning (like no remarks at all when people meet someone that is 100% not human looking !) that it felt like this is a resolved problem in a world filled with quirk people. Even worse : it felt like the racism issue went in reverse, against the quirk-less people..! So when the mangaka comes at the end all like "hey, forgot to tell, but actually....."... There is also the relationship building, and how peoples interactions construct their motivations along the manga. This is really badly constructed as well. For instance we keep hearing that class A1 is so well bound all together, that they are all best friends and ready to risks each others lives... but except a concert, if you look closely most of the cast has inexistant screen time and almost never interact with the people they claim to be their closest friend when bad time comes. By the end, a lot of feelings the manga tries to convey fall short due to lack of more specific construction all around the story and the universe beforehand.
To the mutant (heteromorph) topic I would add that while it was so confusing and hard to believe that in a world where most people with quirks would look like a freakshow, it at least gave a fair explanation for why it's present. How some people or area want to keep their people pure blooded a look normal. Basically Shoji's upbringing since he was the only one born that way while Mina, Tokoyami, and Koda weren't born in a hostile environment against people like them.
Agree, it a case of where the creator can’t keep their cake and eat it too, they wanted to create a world filled with traditional heroes, but also wanted a world filled with anti heroes, when both ideas can’t coexist. Marvel comics had a similar issue, where during the Avenger civil war(in the comics), the comics were trying to pass off the idea that both Iron man and Captain America sides had genuinely compelling arguments, but didn’t offer enough for Iron Man side, leading the reader to only be on Cap’s side.
Good video, especially pointing out it's an issue of setting expectations and then failing to deliver on them. BnHA touches on some dark/serious things, but is overall to "light" in tone to delve into them, so we are left with just vague sense of:" Yeah I guess the villain has a point, kinda, sorta ..." Just shotgunning a few things: •Hawks was totally justified with Twice, and the author chickened out with killing Jeanist(actual "end justify the means" dark stuff) •Nagant has too little time to make much of an impact with her storyline •Heteromorph discrimination comes out of nowhere considering Asui, Koda, Tokoyami, Shoji, Mina, Shishida, Honenuki, ...; there are a load of weird looking characters from the start and no hate towards them in sight, showing that the idea was crowbarred in later •As stated in the video, the societal flaws are nowhere to be seen/way less serious than we are told they are, leaving us to have to believe it must all be happening just off screen •The Liberation Front with it's(at least understandable) desire for greater freedom just up and switches to following Shigaraki(destructive maniac who with his buddies just killed half-a-city of them(presumably the survivors had friends/family members among them)) and then follows All For One(who even roleplays evil); all this turns a flaws-of-society conflict into rather "simple black and white" beat the baddies situation •The villain we have been following for most of the story gets usurped by much inferior one (in terms of motivation and ties to the other characters), again turning things into straight up defeat the demon lord and save the day •Shigaraki has a sad backstory so we must save his soul; good thing All For One literally did not have one, otherwise I guess Deku would have to save his ass too? •Spinner's thing with the heteromorph discrimination subplot feels like the author needed to find something for him to do-while he was bullied because of his looks, his whole time as a villain had not a shred of "fight for our rights" to it, going from Stain-wannabe to going-with-the-flow to doing it for my friends •Mr Compress and his five minutes in the spotlight made me wanna laugh, he got even less than Spinner and how he got from "my grandpa was stealing from the rich" to "let's help my friends to murder a whole bunch of people to honor his legacy" is frankly beyond me Haaah... good to get at least a bit of my chest.
In my opinion, the consistent peak writing for My Hero Academia was Meta Liberation Army Arc to Dark Hero Arc. Everything else just feels like really good and complex ideas that weren't just executed well, basically a good series with some wasted opportunities.
About the reason why Stain might have something against Ingenium might tie in to (Spoilers for those who haven’t read MHA Vigilantes) Is that Ingenium did work with a set of vigilantes (the group had ties with the man responsible for breaking Stain’s nose) on servers occasions under the outlawment of those who pursue that title. If Stain found out Ingenium was working against the law, I guess he may have ruled that out. On the other hand, he also takes down heroes that aren’t “strong enough”. Ingenium did fail twice to stop two fast villains in the Vigilantes Spin Off, who knows, maybe this could be seen as “incompetency”
I was just wondering will u make a video on classics like the big3 in future. Maybe what they did right and where they fell flat? Uve used naruto as a reference for better execution in ur previous vids so i was interested to know ur takes about its story and execution
This is why dabi is the best villain cuz man actually carried the series and showed the flaws of hero society think about it stain is talking about character like endeavor pre atonement arc and that is amplified by dabi. Shiggy fails at this as well his problem isn’t with not just heros but with society as whole dabi beef is actually with heros
@@WeebGuru6 "bro shut up" dang didn't think my opinion on a fictional character would make you rage but alright kiddo. Toga and shigaraki are far more interesting and likable then dabi ✨️IN MY OPINION✨️ dabi is obsessed with daddy and hates women. Not a very compelling character.
@Ultra247 I mean I have watched the video and rewatched half of it So I still stand by the idea of stain being unreliable His ideology is clearly flawed
That's the point he's making... if stain despite being crazy isn't even slightly right, despite being treated as partly so bu the narrative, then the apparent corruption that the story tries to point out again and again barely exists, and ends up feeling as if "society ain't that bad after all", which ruins the strength of the villains' motivations and eventual conclusion.
The story treats Stain like an extremist who ultimately has a point underneath his extremism. Ultra247 is making the case that Stain doesn't even have a point, as shown by the story. For example, if we compared the number of 9 to 5 heroes (those who do it because it's a job) vs actual heroes, the latter vastly outnumbers the former. The story tries to make a point of having problems, but it fails to show them. The example of Hawks is on point. The show tries its best to make Hawks look like a bad guy and Twice's death to be tragic, but Twice unironically got what he deserved. Hawks tried to talk him down, tried to peacefully take him into custody, because Twice was a terrorist threatening the country. Hawks is supposed to be one of the morally grey heroes, yet he went above and beyond his call of duty. Why is Stain's idea in the story getting any support in the MHA world when the story fails to present it clearly? Where are the scores of corrupt heroes? Most all heroes in the story are as genuine as Allmight. I'd disagree with Ultra247 on the point that Allmight is just more popular, I get very much the impression he is the paragon of heroism, but it's hard for that to matter when his competition have no real serious flaws of their own. Endeavour is an outlier there. The society supports genuine heroism. The world is more white than grey, yet the story tries to say their world is grey.
The biggest flaw I see in this entire series is that, the writer doesn't know how to write romance between Deku and Uravity. The romance between them is a complete let down. Plus the ending is kind of poor.
@@yoru8815 I never said the entire series should have been focused on their romance. What I'm saying is that if there is a love interest in an action filled heroic story. At least they should have written some romance inbetween those two. Instead of just saying "you're my hero, No, You're my hero". They still could have done better. Let's face this entire thing was not made for babies who love cartoons. It's an anime. It should have been better.
@@newgamer4884 putting romance is unnecessary if the story can go without it why not? Romance would only distract or prolonging something unnecessarily most of the time. Take hxh it doesn't need any romance at all to be good. I don't understand people who insist on putting romance for everything. Like every story should have shipping inside somehow. It's no different to super woke people who insist on putting their representation in all media.
@@yoru8815 Putting a little romance will not prolong anything. I'm not saying they should put an entire episode for that. A little bit of scene would have been nice. If you think it's unnecessary then that's just a you thing. Hxh is an entirely other anime. This anime is different from that. And people who want some romance are not woke. People who do the gender bender,feminist,girlboss shit are the people who are woke.
There's so many good examples of victims in this system, and yet every hero is framed as "so heroic and badass" and the final war is basically "the good guys vs the bad guys", even with Hawks who could have been a great example of corruption within the system ending up in a position of power. It's such a shame because all the grounds for a fantastique critique of OUR society (as capitalistic, fame-oriented, and repressive as it is) were there, but it falls flat and ends up feeling as if Horikoshi didn't have the courage to actually make the heroes morally gray, and the villains end up coming worse off it.
It's not the good vs evil that's the problem for me. Plenty of stories have that premise and still turn out great. What hurts is Horikoshi kept dipping his toe into more complex problems but didn't know or want or have enough time to settle them
Society is a hypocrite for trying to paint Hawks in a negative light for killing Twice That guy clearly wasn’t backing down, and he alone would’ve guaranteed victory for the villains and we saw how ungrateful civilians get when the villains win. They can’t have it both ways. Civilians can’t say heroes shouldn’t kill villains who pose clear threats to the world term get mad when villains who aren’t killed go on to destroy mass destruction The world would’ve been a better place if All Might killed AfO for good. I don’t want to hear this nonsense that heroes shouldn’t kill. How many atrocities need to happen until people agree that certain villains need to be killed?
Right? When they kill, society hates them, when they don’t kill enough, society also hates them They are so blind honestly they under appreciate hero’s and aren’t as thankful for them as they should be. If they have good life’s they don’t take have time to think about how much hero’s do for them and if their bad they hold resentment and blame heroes. It reminds me of a AOT scence where they are like almost in a way just disrespecting the corps. They are like why are we spending so much money on theese guys, they don’t do anything all they do is get more people killed and they don’t even protect us. In reality they have never seen a Titan or fought one. The civilians have never fought in a war or taken on hero work and killed a villain.and then there is urarakas speech which I think is a great one the person who has suffered so much for them and done all he can to protect them even if he hurt himself. Isn’t even let in to a shelter because they don’t trust him. And endeavor just because he made some past mistakes with Dabi is immediately hated on by the media despot all he’s done to make up for that despite all the good he’s done beside that and despite Dabi still being a bad person. However civilians can still critique how messed up hero society can be. They are just focusing on the wrong things, lady nagant, Stain, gentle, and shigaraki are perfect examples of how messed up hero society can actually be and the dark parts of it that actually need to be looked at and fixed by the people. Nagant being forced to kill people who shouldn’t even get the death penalty for their crimes. Stain seeing how Un heroic some hero’s can be when they are blinded by fame. Shigaraki being rejected and ignored when he needed help.(I get afo manipulated him but hero society I would say is definetly still to blame either way cuz they didn’t do anything) and gentle who wanted to be a hero so badly but got his life ruined when a rescue attempt was messed with and don’t even get me started on the whole “u need a license to be a hero/do hero work” thing, your saying I can’t be kind and help people who are in a fight with a villain because I’m not an official hero? Todoroki and Ida and deku literally didn’t get credit for their work and got in trouble for this, crazy. But even despite all this at the end of the day they’re all hypocrites - majorly because just like us their ideas are flawed and shady.
I think you can view it on both sides While yes twice could possibly be a big danger for the heroes Twice was also a mentally ill person that needed help that was also fucked over by society That "fight" is a grey area in terms of morality I think its understandable the citizens to some extent criticise hawks
It's not even "possibly" Twice is. Hawks constantly tried to de-escalate the situation while Twice did everything possible to make it worse. The citizens got mad at Hawks based on an edited video, not the actual events
Armored All Might just makes Stain’s entire philosophy fall apart and makes him a hypocrite for assisting Armored All Might. He goes on a tirade about heroes shouldn’t do hero work for the money, yet All Might merchandise is the most abundant merchandise in the series. All Might getting all the money makes him extremely wealthy thus allowing him to finance an extremely expensive suit to stall All for One. If AM didn’t have that money then AfO would’ve been able to reach Tomura and complete his plan. And then Stan after preaching all this has no problem jumping in to help this incredibly wealthy hero fight against AfO Of course All Might is the ideal hero, but Stain can’t even say he’s consistent with his own standards towards the end
True but to be fair Stain admits he was wrong when he gets out of prison so him helping All Might could make sense. I don't know about the details of the fight so it could be a mess. Also Stain is still weird since he still thinks he is fixing society. Sooo to some extent he should see All Might as bad or wrong(Still in the air for me but interesting idea)
@@Ultra247 Despite the current social situation arguably being what Stain wanted, where heroes who signed up for fame or fortune are quitting the job because they are facing non-stop criticism from civilians despite their best efforts, Stain's pensive and downcast expression shows he's not happy with the outcome, as he didn't wish for complete societal collapse, nor for people to lose faith in the very idea of heroes in the first place, merely for the title to be more selective and bestowed only upon those worthy of it. He got what he wanted but didn’t like how it got there
The problem with what you’re saying is stains logic is flawed. And the show wants you to understand that stains logic is flawed that’s why he losses the fight that’s why he’s a villain and that’s why he eventually gets a redemption arc
This is not exactly true. Stain had a point when Ida was trying to kill him. Ida did not try to save the injured person. The video explains everything else. And the people running the hero organization license mention Stain. Stain's ideas spread throughout Japan and even influenced one of the students. His ideas spread while making absolutely no sense nor is it grounded in what goes on in the world.
@samuelmiller8390 That doesn't work since ot happens after the Stain arc. Stain would have to have time travel or foresight for it to make sense, and that doesn't explain the reaction from everyone else
I completely disagree with the first point. Stain is *supposed* to be an unreliable source of information. His ideology is clearly flawed and isn't supposed to be a concrete world building tool. He wants everyone to be like all might, someone who does it for the sake of being a hero and helping others, but the story clearly builds upon the fact that all might's rein as a hero was self-deprecating and flawed. I also disagree with how you explained gentle criminal. He didn't want the glory when trying to save that guy, (as in explained in the manga) he was just trying to help the guy, because his body moved on its own.
@Doodles_party_of_4 The story acts as if Stain had a point. This is seen in the license exam, where they talk about Stain and heroes doing it for the right reason. This clearly shows that Stain influenced their decisions(hero organization people). Even some students believe what Stain said. Also, there is not enough information to differentiate All Might from the other heroes as truly good heroes exist everywhere(as stated in the video AM is just more powerful and popular) As for the Gentle point, I knew this would come up. This is why the video claims Gentle is not all bad but he did have the motivation of his ego. He did move on his own and wanted to save people which points to Gentle not being an entirely bad person. The point of that section was highlighting how someone with the wrong motivation can't suddenly become a hero, even if their quirk is pretty good. I like Gentle as a character but his story works against the idea of a really flawed hero society
@@Ultra247gentle criminal is bit more confusing because he was capable of being a hero (the scene where soloed a small army of criminals) but he wasn't able to become one anyway (probably because of his lack of intellect and drive) but the series that people bakugou who became a hero for purely self centred and selfish reasons can learn to be more altruistic by necessity (and it's capability that seperated bakugou from someone like muscular)
@@tsurbwobniar20 Yeah, MHA is a bit wacky with that. Gentle is as strong and smart as the story calls hahaha. I think Gentle is supposed to look incompetent but given his later feats, it doesn't make much sense. He beats up some pro heroes when he first appears. It does not make much sense how he did not become a pro hero given how skilled he is. The story makes it seem like he just suddenly got powerful when he became Gentle Criminal , given his skill and somewhat warpped ideas of heroism he should of been a pro hero from the start
@@Ultra247 How does it not make sense he wasn’t a pro hero? His reputation was ruined after almost killing someone which caused him to give up and go down the path of villainy. Though to be fair, this in itself isn’t enough to really justify why he turned, but the story does acknowledge that. He became a villain because he gave up. It’s supposed to show the flaw of villains actions. Some villains didn’t really have a choice, but some fell into a hole because they never tried to climb out.
@@Ultra247 Stain's ideology is flawed because it oversimplifies and misinterprets the true motivations of heroes. Throughout MHA, we see many heroes like Mt. Lady, Kamui Woods, and Best Jeanist continuing their hero work even when money or fame isn’t involved. In fact, some most heroes during the tarturus arc faced public hatred and criticism but still pressed on. This shows that their primary motivation isn’t financial gain or recognition, but a deep desire to protect others and uphold justice. The fact that these heroes persist in their duties, even when being a hero is unpopular or unrewarding, directly contradicts Stain's beliefs. He views most heroes as self-serving, but the story makes it clear that the majority of heroes, even those who gain fame or money, are driven by a genuine desire to help. While many villains, heroes, and others may sympathize with Stain’s critique of the hero society, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t wrong. However, his point about doing the job solely for the money is valid, heroes should not be motivated purely by personal gain. But Stain failed to recognize that, for many heroes, money and fame are secondary to their real purpose: protecting people.
i really liked your video. However, neither the manga nor the anime showed just how corrupt the system was. In truth, hero society is a somewhat opressive fantasy world where people are made to believe its good, but in reality, its not. Tell me, how can a society be called good, let alone heroic, when a persons value is determined by their quirks, something that they have no control over?? A world that deems someone a hero, a villian, a normy, a freak, a monster or completely useless, based on a freaking x-ray, when they are 4 YEARS OLD?? The MHA world is much more corrupt than u think. It is why i dont hate Bakugo, and dont entirely blame him for the way he acted towards Midoriya. Since his quirk manifested, he was always the center of praise and attention, everyone said he'd be a great hero because of his quirk and no matter how he acted, it was always excused, which led him to become such an egomaniac. No one cared about Izuku tho, none of his pears ever befriended him, but instead bullied him, the teachers never bothered to help him or stop the ILLEGAL quirk use on him, and im pretty sure that u are already aware of this, that despite his cheerfull deminour, Deku is very hurt, insecure, has PTSD, needs to constantly prove himself and has no self regard whatsoever, willing to give his 'worthless' life, so that someone more 'important' survives. To conclude, like I said, your video had very good points that I agree with, but the MHA world is FAR from a decent society. The way it is structured causes people to value quirks more than humans themselves. When a persons value is determent by something he/she has no control over, then they will either be accepted or hated for the exact same reason. Thasts why Izukus mum is the only CONFIRMED PERSON that TRULY LOVES IZUKU, cause despite him being quirkless, she never abandoned or hated him. Everybody else tho, first saw that Deku HAD a quirk, and then tried to get to know him. So ask yourself this : Would class 1-A, the teacher, the heroes, have treated Izuku the same way, had he been quirkless?
@@musicdance555 I kinda agree with your analysis but I wouldn't say your quirk determines your fate. Since Shinso exists and "made it". Gentle has a great quirk but didn't make it. People did not treat Mirio any different after he lost his quirk. It's just something the story should have dived into
@@Ultra247, that is correct 😄. Of course there are the cases where people ACTUALLY care about the person and not the quirk, like Shinsou, although they were wary of him. However, if you take Himiko Toga, she was treated as a monster because of her quirk. And when it comes to Mirio, yes when he loses his power, he is still treated with the same love and respect, but that's because he had a quirk in the beginning, meaning he had the ' necessary ' criteria, so that people would actually care to get to know him. Quirkless people however, are not given the same opportunities to show there worth and are treated like glass or trash. Lastly, gentle criminal had the quirk sure, but just like you said in the video, he simply didn't make it. That didn't mean he was not hero material, but like you mentioned, the tests were designed so that the strongest came on top. Though what I wanted to convey was not really about quirks suited more for heroes or villains, but rather the fact that one needs a quirk to ACTUALLY be considered a HUMAN. I really love MHA, but in order for the hero society to be truly heroic, the people must reconsider their values and learn to judge people by their actions, not by something they have no control over. What do you think??😊
You/We don't have enough evidence to know if you are correct. In terms of the anime/manga the only real quirkless discrimination we see is from the eyes of Deku (from kids). Most people don't use their quirks all the time or even most of the time bc it is illegal(you can use it sometimes but it is based on your quirk: this is mentioned in one of the extra pages of the manga) Your comparison fails when we are talking about the context of being a pro hero. Like we don't see them(police) being discriminated against or tension with pro heroes. You are reaching a lot when you said you need a quirk to be considered human. No where is that proven true. This is only the case when someone wants to be a hero and have no quirk. This only speaks to you not being a pro hero not your humanity. You can still help people while not having a quirk.
What makes you think 1a, aizawa, and the heroes would've treated him differently if he was quirkless?? Not every character in the show belittles people who are quirkless. It's easy to see that they're far too humble to even do that because name ONE scene where any of them are like "Ooh look at this guy, he has no quirk lmao what a loser" besides Bakugo because he's the only one who acted like that
I understand where you’re coming from but I think what horikoshi was trying to show was just because there’s a morally inspiring society or system it doesn’t mean there has to be a bad side, so he used stain as that part of society that’s always looking for the bad in the good of society like maybe a charity organization or something. Or maybe I’m just a blind mha fan 😅
Why do have “blinders on” when it comes to the trash fire that is “The Batman!?” The Riddler was a trash villain who was a hypocrite, the moment he tried to kill Bruce Wayne and the black lady mayor (as well as innocent civilians) is the moment his plans didn’t make sense. The Riddler is a narcissist not an avenger so he’s not even “The Riddler” he’s more like a Great Value “Raz Al Ghul” with a pinch of Joker.
@@Ultra247 the point is that MHA “tell but don’t show.” The Riddler in “The Batman” attacks and kills people who are involved in Gotham’s corruption or are corrupted elites; the black lady mayor and Bruce Wayne are innocent so it makes no sense (as well as killing civilians, which makes is goal pointless). This ties into MHA lack of conviction to show horrible heroes/ the corruption of “the hero society.” “Tiger and Bunny” does this who “hero system better” (they also did it first).
@Ignoreduser Yeah, I watched some of Tiger and Bunny. I was thinking about doing a video about it in the future. The riddler is still crazy but you can understand where he is coming from. However, Stain is supposed to be a similar type of villain but nothing about him makes sense. I would not consider the riddler an antihero, so him attacking innocent people doesn't destroy his whole idea. Stain has neither the motivation nor the anti-hero lean. He doesn't make sense from any angle
@@Ultra247 I agree 100% on the Stain front but what makes Batman’s villain great is their mindset and their personal agendas. If the Riddler says he’s doing something he 100% gonna do it. It’d be like Dark Knight’s Joker going home to a mansion and rolling in money, it destroys the integrity of the character. That why Villains like John Doe (Seven), Darth Vader and Thanos are so intriguing
Not a bad video. I agree that MHA didn't do the best job of showing the flaws of hero society but I believe this is mainly because MHA more focus on the superpower society instead of hero society of it world.
Yeah I don't dislike the show. I'll do one defending the school stuff thanks for the watch!
You’re right and this is something that bothered me for a while now. Mha is much bleaker than it lets on to be but that’s the entire point. It’s told not shown. And I find it very ironic how it’s mostly a happy go lucky series while canonically having multiple forms of discrimination based on quirks
I believe that this is where the vigilantes spin-off manga shines. Not only does it tie well with events of the main series but also it highlights the more civilian/"normal" part of the BNH verse ( how society really goes when heroes like All- Might are not there etc). You can really see how quirk types tend to affect how ppl view and treat each other on a daily basis.
@ I think the vigilantes shines by having koichi progress his quirk. Instead of it being a sudden burst in power like quirk evolution you see koichi level up like a staircase. First he figures out how to climb on walls then how to stop then he clings to walls then he figures out how to fight with it
This is really tied to the fact that a lot of Shonen Mangaka are artists first, not storytellers and while there are exceptions you really get to the point where you have to start to wonder if they even think about what they're writing. A lot of MHA is that it presents ideas but just leaves you to ponder them yourself rather than the series actually giving you a reason to think about them. I mean real talk it has so much going for it that just falls flat because Koehi didn't write it in very well.
The same issue lies within another popular manga and anime right now, Jujutsu Kaisen. Gege Akutami is NOT a writer and has written himself into a corner so many times that he has to try and BS his way through it and present new ideas that sometimes completely conflict with what he wrote before just because 'well I had to get the characters out of that situation somehow'.
I just wonder why these mangaka don't hire someone to write or at least draft their stories for them, I'm all for creative freedom and all that but sometimes you just need to bounce ideas off someone else or a team of people so they can point out anything inconsistent or that wouldn't work.
Taking a look at something that was heavily edited from it's original drafts is JoJo Part 5 Golden Wind. Araki had so many ideas that his editor just shut down and as a result we have one of the most praised parts of JoJo. The power of just having someone else on your team to help you form the story of your manga can make it from faltering to great.
Anyways yeah my take is that MHA started to fall off Post Overhaul and hasn't been good since. Granted Overhaul's arc started it's downfall in my opinion (I'm not a hardcore MHA fan).
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, I agree. MHA has its moments that are enjoyable later in the story. The main reason I claim that it falls off after stain is due to the expectations that the arc builds. It gives you a false idea of what this story is and what the world is like. With that expectation, everything that comes after is confusing or makes little sense.
Would have been cool if there was an arc that focused on a popular hero who creates disasters just for em to solve the issue with no problem thus artificially inflating his stats as hero for the people he saved and gaining popularity cause of it. Not an original idea but it can help hammer home the idea/theme that just because your a hero doesn't mean you are a hero.
Captain Celebrity
Captain Celebrity didn't orchestrate disasters. He was merely picky in which took his priority. It's still bad, but he does get better.
@peterjones426 Yeah, I know. I was more so pointing to the fact that he could work as the hero Stain was talking about
MHA should've taken the One Piece approach to things. Take it's time to explore all the themes it wants to convey. Horikoshi had a lot cooking in the oven he just didn't have the time to explore things and really build the final war. We had groups that were racist for different reasons that felt like foot notes in the series, the corruption of hero society, the expectations on the kids. There was just too much. MHA should've been as longer, there was just so much to do.
Mha is way too short for the world it's trying to build yet we got way more characters than the story needs....definitely should've been a longer series
I love MHA but I agree they could’ve done so much more with the story
dude your so good please don't stop posting
MHA should make Vigilante act longer
I fully agree with the point you are doing.
I think I'd even generalize it a little. I think the flaw of this manga is linked to the inability of its writer to fully develop and build his story to convey specific messages. Everything stays really superfluous and superficial. We can list a lost of example of this, you already listed a few with :
- the deprecation of heroes system which was to be outed by Stain. By the end we see it only with the fact that 1 hero seems to participate more in doing commercials than doing hero's things... and that's all.
- the characters motivations around being rejected by society, but the story still makes the vilains (+ Gentle) choice almost nonsensical regarding their backstories compared to the reason they actually tell to follow AFO.
I'll add to this list everything around the mutation quirks and the racism around it. We never actually see it or have any clue until the very end of the manga to establish and fortify our belief that this issue is present. It's even quite the opposite : it's so lacking straight from the beginning (like no remarks at all when people meet someone that is 100% not human looking !) that it felt like this is a resolved problem in a world filled with quirk people. Even worse : it felt like the racism issue went in reverse, against the quirk-less people..! So when the mangaka comes at the end all like "hey, forgot to tell, but actually....."...
There is also the relationship building, and how peoples interactions construct their motivations along the manga. This is really badly constructed as well. For instance we keep hearing that class A1 is so well bound all together, that they are all best friends and ready to risks each others lives... but except a concert, if you look closely most of the cast has inexistant screen time and almost never interact with the people they claim to be their closest friend when bad time comes. By the end, a lot of feelings the manga tries to convey fall short due to lack of more specific construction all around the story and the universe beforehand.
To the mutant (heteromorph) topic I would add that while it was so confusing and hard to believe that in a world where most people with quirks would look like a freakshow, it at least gave a fair explanation for why it's present. How some people or area want to keep their people pure blooded a look normal. Basically Shoji's upbringing since he was the only one born that way while Mina, Tokoyami, and Koda weren't born in a hostile environment against people like them.
Agree, it a case of where the creator can’t keep their cake and eat it too, they wanted to create a world filled with traditional heroes, but also wanted a world filled with anti heroes, when both ideas can’t coexist.
Marvel comics had a similar issue, where during the Avenger civil war(in the comics), the comics were trying to pass off the idea that both Iron man and Captain America sides had genuinely compelling arguments, but didn’t offer enough for Iron Man side, leading the reader to only be on Cap’s side.
The creator was sicked
I think that this is because it's a shonen. Maybe a more edgy MHA could happen f it was Seinen. In which case, it could look similar to Psycho-Pass
Good video, especially pointing out it's an issue of setting expectations and then failing to deliver on them. BnHA touches on some dark/serious things, but is overall to "light" in tone to delve into them, so we are left with just vague sense of:" Yeah I guess the villain has a point, kinda, sorta ..."
Just shotgunning a few things:
•Hawks was totally justified with Twice, and the author chickened out with killing Jeanist(actual "end justify the means" dark stuff)
•Nagant has too little time to make much of an impact with her storyline
•Heteromorph discrimination comes out of nowhere considering Asui, Koda, Tokoyami, Shoji, Mina, Shishida, Honenuki, ...; there are a load of weird looking characters from the start and no hate towards them in sight, showing that the idea was crowbarred in later
•As stated in the video, the societal flaws are nowhere to be seen/way less serious than we are told they are, leaving us to have to believe it must all be happening just off screen
•The Liberation Front with it's(at least understandable) desire for greater freedom just up and switches to following Shigaraki(destructive maniac who with his buddies just killed half-a-city of them(presumably the survivors had friends/family members among them)) and then follows All For One(who even roleplays evil); all this turns a flaws-of-society conflict into rather "simple black and white" beat the baddies situation
•The villain we have been following for most of the story gets usurped by much inferior one (in terms of motivation and ties to the other characters), again turning things into straight up defeat the demon lord and save the day
•Shigaraki has a sad backstory so we must save his soul; good thing All For One literally did not have one, otherwise I guess Deku would have to save his ass too?
•Spinner's thing with the heteromorph discrimination subplot feels like the author needed to find something for him to do-while he was bullied because of his looks, his whole time as a villain had not a shred of "fight for our rights" to it, going from Stain-wannabe to going-with-the-flow to doing it for my friends
•Mr Compress and his five minutes in the spotlight made me wanna laugh, he got even less than Spinner and how he got from "my grandpa was stealing from the rich" to "let's help my friends to murder a whole bunch of people to honor his legacy" is frankly beyond me
Haaah... good to get at least a bit of my chest.
You are cooking! Thanks for the watch
In my opinion, the consistent peak writing for My Hero Academia was Meta Liberation Army Arc to Dark Hero Arc. Everything else just feels like really good and complex ideas that weren't just executed well, basically a good series with some wasted opportunities.
For me those arcs are like the first season of the CW Flash, really good but they created problems the series couldn't come back from.
Glad i cheked out your video
Awesome stuff
Thanks for watching!
I’m gonna try and play devils advocate here. Stain is just downright insane
@@fives-55514 I already saw that argumemt coming rewatch the video
Imma be real. I saw like 2 minutes and was like “this is a really good argument” and moved on
@@fives-55514 That's fair hahaha
✨️I love MHA but iagree that they should've put more time into the details of the plot✨️
I feel Stain is a kill first ask questions later, he wasn’t hesitating to kill heroes. He only monologued about his ideals or was gloating.
About the reason why Stain might have something against Ingenium might tie in to (Spoilers for those who haven’t read MHA Vigilantes)
Is that Ingenium did work with a set of vigilantes (the group had ties with the man responsible for breaking Stain’s nose) on servers occasions under the outlawment of those who pursue that title. If Stain found out Ingenium was working against the law, I guess he may have ruled that out. On the other hand, he also takes down heroes that aren’t “strong enough”. Ingenium did fail twice to stop two fast villains in the Vigilantes Spin Off, who knows, maybe this could be seen as “incompetency”
I was just wondering will u make a video on classics like the big3 in future.
Maybe what they did right and where they fell flat?
Uve used naruto as a reference for better execution in ur previous vids so i was interested to know ur takes about its story and execution
I thought about that. Sadly, I am not familiar with Bleach and One Piece. I don't think I will ever do a Naruto centered video. Boruto is more likely
This is why dabi is the best villain cuz man actually carried the series and showed the flaws of hero society think about it stain is talking about character like endeavor pre atonement arc and that is amplified by dabi. Shiggy fails at this as well his problem isn’t with not just heros but with society as whole dabi beef is actually with heros
Imo shigaraki is a far better villain than dabi. Dabi is just obsessed with his dad, that's all there is to him tbh.
@ then what is toga what is shiggy bro shut up that’s the steam of his motives
@@WeebGuru6 "bro shut up" dang didn't think my opinion on a fictional character would make you rage but alright kiddo. Toga and shigaraki are far more interesting and likable then dabi ✨️IN MY OPINION✨️ dabi is obsessed with daddy and hates women. Not a very compelling character.
@ dude cuz ur opinion is stupid most villians are focused on something
That is true but a completely reductive way of thinking about characters and determining what is well-written or not.
Make a video about the flaws in deku’s ideals!
Like what? I don't think there is anything huge other than the Dark Deku arc
@@Ultra247 I’m sure you can find something.
Thanks haha. I have other mha ideas for the far future. As for right now, it does not include that idea
@@Ultra247 Ok.
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I think you using stain as a point doesnt really make sense
His ideology is EXTREMELY flawed
Rewatch the video
@Ultra247 I mean I have watched the video and rewatched half of it
So I still stand by the idea of stain being unreliable
His ideology is clearly flawed
Then I can't help you connect the dots
That's the point he's making... if stain despite being crazy isn't even slightly right, despite being treated as partly so bu the narrative, then the apparent corruption that the story tries to point out again and again barely exists, and ends up feeling as if "society ain't that bad after all", which ruins the strength of the villains' motivations and eventual conclusion.
The story treats Stain like an extremist who ultimately has a point underneath his extremism. Ultra247 is making the case that Stain doesn't even have a point, as shown by the story. For example, if we compared the number of 9 to 5 heroes (those who do it because it's a job) vs actual heroes, the latter vastly outnumbers the former. The story tries to make a point of having problems, but it fails to show them.
The example of Hawks is on point. The show tries its best to make Hawks look like a bad guy and Twice's death to be tragic, but Twice unironically got what he deserved. Hawks tried to talk him down, tried to peacefully take him into custody, because Twice was a terrorist threatening the country. Hawks is supposed to be one of the morally grey heroes, yet he went above and beyond his call of duty.
Why is Stain's idea in the story getting any support in the MHA world when the story fails to present it clearly? Where are the scores of corrupt heroes? Most all heroes in the story are as genuine as Allmight. I'd disagree with Ultra247 on the point that Allmight is just more popular, I get very much the impression he is the paragon of heroism, but it's hard for that to matter when his competition have no real serious flaws of their own. Endeavour is an outlier there. The society supports genuine heroism. The world is more white than grey, yet the story tries to say their world is grey.
The biggest flaw I see in this entire series is that, the writer doesn't know how to write romance between Deku and Uravity. The romance between them is a complete let down. Plus the ending is kind of poor.
@@newgamer4884 I disagree. The only issue with that was the payoff. The romance itself was just meh
Mha is never really focused on romance to begin with. In fact it literally beg you to ignore it, ignore it. That's what ochako said ignore it.😂😂
@@yoru8815 I never said the entire series should have been focused on their romance. What I'm saying is that if there is a love interest in an action filled heroic story. At least they should have written some romance inbetween those two. Instead of just saying "you're my hero, No, You're my hero". They still could have done better. Let's face this entire thing was not made for babies who love cartoons. It's an anime. It should have been better.
@@newgamer4884 putting romance is unnecessary if the story can go without it why not? Romance would only distract or prolonging something unnecessarily most of the time. Take hxh it doesn't need any romance at all to be good.
I don't understand people who insist on putting romance for everything. Like every story should have shipping inside somehow. It's no different to super woke people who insist on putting their representation in all media.
@@yoru8815 Putting a little romance will not prolong anything. I'm not saying they should put an entire episode for that. A little bit of scene would have been nice. If you think it's unnecessary then that's just a you thing. Hxh is an entirely other anime. This anime is different from that. And people who want some romance are not woke. People who do the gender bender,feminist,girlboss shit are the people who are woke.
MHA ended after My Villian academia. I LOVE the My villian. But everything after was such trash
There's so many good examples of victims in this system, and yet every hero is framed as "so heroic and badass" and the final war is basically "the good guys vs the bad guys", even with Hawks who could have been a great example of corruption within the system ending up in a position of power. It's such a shame because all the grounds for a fantastique critique of OUR society (as capitalistic, fame-oriented, and repressive as it is) were there, but it falls flat and ends up feeling as if Horikoshi didn't have the courage to actually make the heroes morally gray, and the villains end up coming worse off it.
It's not the good vs evil that's the problem for me. Plenty of stories have that premise and still turn out great. What hurts is Horikoshi kept dipping his toe into more complex problems but didn't know or want or have enough time to settle them
Nice thumbnail. Deku would easily stop the train lmao
Society is a hypocrite for trying to paint Hawks in a negative light for killing Twice
That guy clearly wasn’t backing down, and he alone would’ve guaranteed victory for the villains and we saw how ungrateful civilians get when the villains win.
They can’t have it both ways. Civilians can’t say heroes shouldn’t kill villains who pose clear threats to the world term get mad when villains who aren’t killed go on to destroy mass destruction
The world would’ve been a better place if All Might killed AfO for good. I don’t want to hear this nonsense that heroes shouldn’t kill. How many atrocities need to happen until people agree that certain villains need to be killed?
True but they got an edited video
Right? When they kill, society hates them, when they don’t kill enough, society also hates them They are so blind honestly they under appreciate hero’s and aren’t as thankful for them as they should be. If they have good life’s they don’t take have time to think about how much hero’s do for them and if their bad they hold resentment and blame heroes. It reminds me of a AOT scence where they are like almost in a way just disrespecting the corps. They are like why are we spending so much money on theese guys, they don’t do anything all they do is get more people killed and they don’t even protect us. In reality they have never seen a Titan or fought one. The civilians have never fought in a war or taken on hero work and killed a villain.and then there is urarakas speech which I think is a great one the person who has suffered so much for them and done all he can to protect them even if he hurt himself. Isn’t even let in to a shelter because they don’t trust him. And endeavor just because he made some past mistakes with Dabi is immediately hated on by the media despot all he’s done to make up for that despite all the good he’s done beside that and despite Dabi still being a bad person. However civilians can still critique how messed up hero society can be. They are just focusing on the wrong things, lady nagant, Stain, gentle, and shigaraki are perfect examples of how messed up hero society can actually be and the dark parts of it that actually need to be looked at and fixed by the people. Nagant being forced to kill people who shouldn’t even get the death penalty for their crimes. Stain seeing how Un heroic some hero’s can be when they are blinded by fame. Shigaraki being rejected and ignored when he needed help.(I get afo manipulated him but hero society I would say is definetly still to blame either way cuz they didn’t do anything) and gentle who wanted to be a hero so badly but got his life ruined when a rescue attempt was messed with and don’t even get me started on the whole “u need a license to be a hero/do hero work” thing, your saying I can’t be kind and help people who are in a fight with a villain because I’m not an official hero? Todoroki and Ida and deku literally didn’t get credit for their work and got in trouble for this, crazy. But even despite all this at the end of the day they’re all hypocrites - majorly because just like us their ideas are flawed and shady.
Holy Moly I wrote a lot my bad
I think you can view it on both sides
While yes twice could possibly be a big danger for the heroes
Twice was also a mentally ill person that needed help that was also fucked over by society
That "fight" is a grey area in terms of morality
I think its understandable the citizens to some extent criticise hawks
It's not even "possibly" Twice is. Hawks constantly tried to de-escalate the situation while Twice did everything possible to make it worse.
The citizens got mad at Hawks based on an edited video, not the actual events
Armored All Might just makes Stain’s entire philosophy fall apart and makes him a hypocrite for assisting Armored All Might.
He goes on a tirade about heroes shouldn’t do hero work for the money, yet All Might merchandise is the most abundant merchandise in the series. All Might getting all the money makes him extremely wealthy thus allowing him to finance an extremely expensive suit to stall All for One. If AM didn’t have that money then AfO would’ve been able to reach Tomura and complete his plan.
And then Stan after preaching all this has no problem jumping in to help this incredibly wealthy hero fight against AfO
Of course All Might is the ideal hero, but Stain can’t even say he’s consistent with his own standards towards the end
True but to be fair Stain admits he was wrong when he gets out of prison so him helping All Might could make sense. I don't know about the details of the fight so it could be a mess. Also Stain is still weird since he still thinks he is fixing society.
Sooo to some extent he should see All Might as bad or wrong(Still in the air for me but interesting idea)
@@Ultra247
Despite the current social situation arguably being what Stain wanted, where heroes who signed up for fame or fortune are quitting the job because they are facing non-stop criticism from civilians despite their best efforts, Stain's pensive and downcast expression shows he's not happy with the outcome, as he didn't wish for complete societal collapse, nor for people to lose faith in the very idea of heroes in the first place, merely for the title to be more selective and bestowed only upon those worthy of it.
He got what he wanted but didn’t like how it got there
The problem with what you’re saying is stains logic is flawed. And the show wants you to understand that stains logic is flawed that’s why he losses the fight that’s why he’s a villain and that’s why he eventually gets a redemption arc
This is not exactly true. Stain had a point when Ida was trying to kill him. Ida did not try to save the injured person. The video explains everything else. And the people running the hero organization license mention Stain. Stain's ideas spread throughout Japan and even influenced one of the students. His ideas spread while making absolutely no sense nor is it grounded in what goes on in the world.
I think the way they showed these fake heros by having more than half the heros quit after things got too tough
@samuelmiller8390 That doesn't work since ot happens after the Stain arc. Stain would have to have time travel or foresight for it to make sense, and that doesn't explain the reaction from everyone else
I completely disagree with the first point. Stain is *supposed* to be an unreliable source of information. His ideology is clearly flawed and isn't supposed to be a concrete world building tool. He wants everyone to be like all might, someone who does it for the sake of being a hero and helping others, but the story clearly builds upon the fact that all might's rein as a hero was self-deprecating and flawed. I also disagree with how you explained gentle criminal. He didn't want the glory when trying to save that guy, (as in explained in the manga) he was just trying to help the guy, because his body moved on its own.
@Doodles_party_of_4 The story acts as if Stain had a point. This is seen in the license exam, where they talk about Stain and heroes doing it for the right reason. This clearly shows that Stain influenced their decisions(hero organization people). Even some students believe what Stain said. Also, there is not enough information to differentiate All Might from the other heroes as truly good heroes exist everywhere(as stated in the video AM is just more powerful and popular)
As for the Gentle point, I knew this would come up. This is why the video claims Gentle is not all bad but he did have the motivation of his ego. He did move on his own and wanted to save people which points to Gentle not being an entirely bad person. The point of that section was highlighting how someone with the wrong motivation can't suddenly become a hero, even if their quirk is pretty good. I like Gentle as a character but his story works against the idea of a really flawed hero society
@@Ultra247gentle criminal is bit more confusing because he was capable of being a hero (the scene where soloed a small army of criminals) but he wasn't able to become one anyway (probably because of his lack of intellect and drive) but the series that people bakugou who became a hero for purely self centred and selfish reasons can learn to be more altruistic by necessity (and it's capability that seperated bakugou from someone like muscular)
@@tsurbwobniar20 Yeah, MHA is a bit wacky with that. Gentle is as strong and smart as the story calls hahaha. I think Gentle is supposed to look incompetent but given his later feats, it doesn't make much sense. He beats up some pro heroes when he first appears. It does not make much sense how he did not become a pro hero given how skilled he is. The story makes it seem like he just suddenly got powerful when he became Gentle Criminal , given his skill and somewhat warpped ideas of heroism he should of been a pro hero from the start
@@Ultra247 How does it not make sense he wasn’t a pro hero? His reputation was ruined after almost killing someone which caused him to give up and go down the path of villainy. Though to be fair, this in itself isn’t enough to really justify why he turned, but the story does acknowledge that. He became a villain because he gave up. It’s supposed to show the flaw of villains actions. Some villains didn’t really have a choice, but some fell into a hole because they never tried to climb out.
@@Ultra247 Stain's ideology is flawed because it oversimplifies and misinterprets the true motivations of heroes. Throughout MHA, we see many heroes like Mt. Lady, Kamui Woods, and Best Jeanist continuing their hero work even when money or fame isn’t involved. In fact, some most heroes during the tarturus arc faced public hatred and criticism but still pressed on. This shows that their primary motivation isn’t financial gain or recognition, but a deep desire to protect others and uphold justice.
The fact that these heroes persist in their duties, even when being a hero is unpopular or unrewarding, directly contradicts Stain's beliefs. He views most heroes as self-serving, but the story makes it clear that the majority of heroes, even those who gain fame or money, are driven by a genuine desire to help. While many villains, heroes, and others may sympathize with Stain’s critique of the hero society, it doesn’t mean he wasn’t wrong. However, his point about doing the job solely for the money is valid, heroes should not be motivated purely by personal gain. But Stain failed to recognize that, for many heroes, money and fame are secondary to their real purpose: protecting people.
i really liked your video. However, neither the manga nor the anime showed just how corrupt the system was. In truth, hero society is a somewhat opressive fantasy world where people are made to believe its good, but in reality, its not. Tell me, how can a society be called good, let alone heroic, when a persons value is determined by their quirks, something that they have no control over?? A world that deems someone a hero, a villian, a normy, a freak, a monster or completely useless, based on a freaking x-ray, when they are 4 YEARS OLD?? The MHA world is much more corrupt than u think. It is why i dont hate Bakugo, and dont entirely blame him for the way he acted towards Midoriya. Since his quirk manifested, he was always the center of praise and attention, everyone said he'd be a great hero because of his quirk and no matter how he acted, it was always excused, which led him to become such an egomaniac. No one cared about Izuku tho, none of his pears ever befriended him, but instead bullied him, the teachers never bothered to help him or stop the ILLEGAL quirk use on him, and im pretty sure that u are already aware of this, that despite his cheerfull deminour, Deku is very hurt, insecure, has PTSD, needs to constantly prove himself and has no self regard whatsoever, willing to give his 'worthless' life, so that someone more 'important' survives. To conclude, like I said, your video had very good points that I agree with, but the MHA world is FAR from a decent society. The way it is structured causes people to value quirks more than humans themselves. When a persons value is determent by something he/she has no control over, then they will either be accepted or hated for the exact same reason. Thasts why Izukus mum is the only CONFIRMED PERSON that TRULY LOVES IZUKU, cause despite him being quirkless, she never abandoned or hated him. Everybody else tho, first saw that Deku HAD a quirk, and then tried to get to know him. So ask yourself this :
Would class 1-A, the teacher, the heroes, have treated Izuku the same way, had he been quirkless?
@@musicdance555 I kinda agree with your analysis but I wouldn't say your quirk determines your fate. Since Shinso exists and "made it". Gentle has a great quirk but didn't make it. People did not treat Mirio any different after he lost his quirk. It's just something the story should have dived into
@@Ultra247, that is correct 😄. Of course there are the cases where people ACTUALLY care about the person and not the quirk, like Shinsou, although they were wary of him. However, if you take Himiko Toga, she was treated as a monster because of her quirk. And when it comes to Mirio, yes when he loses his power, he is still treated with the same love and respect, but that's because he had a quirk in the beginning, meaning he had the ' necessary ' criteria, so that people would actually care to get to know him. Quirkless people however, are not given the same opportunities to show there worth and are treated like glass or trash. Lastly, gentle criminal had the quirk sure, but just like you said in the video, he simply didn't make it. That didn't mean he was not hero material, but like you mentioned, the tests were designed so that the strongest came on top. Though what I wanted to convey was not really about quirks suited more for heroes or villains, but rather the fact that one needs a quirk to ACTUALLY be considered a HUMAN. I really love MHA, but in order for the hero society to be truly heroic, the people must reconsider their values and learn to judge people by their actions, not by something they have no control over.
What do you think??😊
You/We don't have enough evidence to know if you are correct. In terms of the anime/manga the only real quirkless discrimination we see is from the eyes of Deku (from kids). Most people don't use their quirks all the time or even most of the time bc it is illegal(you can use it sometimes but it is based on your quirk: this is mentioned in one of the extra pages of the manga)
Your comparison fails when we are talking about the context of being a pro hero. Like we don't see them(police) being discriminated against or tension with pro heroes.
You are reaching a lot when you said you need a quirk to be considered human. No where is that proven true. This is only the case when someone wants to be a hero and have no quirk. This only speaks to you not being a pro hero not your humanity. You can still help people while not having a quirk.
What makes you think 1a, aizawa, and the heroes would've treated him differently if he was quirkless?? Not every character in the show belittles people who are quirkless. It's easy to see that they're far too humble to even do that because name ONE scene where any of them are like "Ooh look at this guy, he has no quirk lmao what a loser" besides Bakugo because he's the only one who acted like that
I understand where you’re coming from but I think what horikoshi was trying to show was just because there’s a morally inspiring society or system it doesn’t mean there has to be a bad side, so he used stain as that part of society that’s always looking for the bad in the good of society like maybe a charity organization or something.
Or maybe I’m just a blind mha fan 😅
MHA has done a great job so far
Why do have “blinders on” when it comes to the trash fire that is “The Batman!?” The Riddler was a trash villain who was a hypocrite, the moment he tried to kill Bruce Wayne and the black lady mayor (as well as innocent civilians) is the moment his plans didn’t make sense. The Riddler is a narcissist not an avenger so he’s not even “The Riddler” he’s more like a Great Value “Raz Al Ghul” with a pinch of Joker.
@@Ducq33 you missed the point
@@Ultra247 the point is that MHA “tell but don’t show.” The Riddler in “The Batman” attacks and kills people who are involved in Gotham’s corruption or are corrupted elites; the black lady mayor and Bruce Wayne are innocent so it makes no sense (as well as killing civilians, which makes is goal pointless). This ties into MHA lack of conviction to show horrible heroes/ the corruption of “the hero society.” “Tiger and Bunny” does this who “hero system better” (they also did it first).
@Ignoreduser Yeah, I watched some of Tiger and Bunny. I was thinking about doing a video about it in the future.
The riddler is still crazy but you can understand where he is coming from. However, Stain is supposed to be a similar type of villain but nothing about him makes sense.
I would not consider the riddler an antihero, so him attacking innocent people doesn't destroy his whole idea. Stain has neither the motivation nor the anti-hero lean. He doesn't make sense from any angle
@@Ultra247 I agree 100% on the Stain front but what makes Batman’s villain great is their mindset and their personal agendas. If the Riddler says he’s doing something he 100% gonna do it. It’d be like Dark Knight’s Joker going home to a mansion and rolling in money, it destroys the integrity of the character. That why Villains like John Doe (Seven), Darth Vader and Thanos are so intriguing
The first one.
I been saying this stain was a full stick was dumb.