Canceled at 17 (for Violating a Girl's Privacy)
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I hope people watch right to the end and read the post-script, because that revelation makes the article even worse.
Yeah, I passed gossip I heard from my kids as journalism but only cause I'm a Cool Mom😈😎💅🍷🍸🍹
You are so right. What editor would pass on a piece with that kind of implicit bias? Especially about such a painful topic (the non-consensual porn, not the shunning.)
Ah! Glad I saw your comment (and glad Rebecca pinned it). I often just listen to videos as I'm doing other stuff, so I sometimes miss the visuals.
Yeah. That definitely puts the godawful article into context.
Jesus, I did not expect this story to be able to get even worse.
Thanks for this comment. Knowing me, I'd have been distracted by something missed the postscript if I hadn't seen your comment first.
That raises a whole other host of questions. What parent writes politically-preachy teen fan-fiction about harassment that happened at their kid's school? Is the much-defended kid here her son? Or her son's friend? One can have a degree of pity for someone in such a destructive reactive spiral, but not for whoever looked at this and thought, "There's a perspective that seems disturbing enough to grab some eyeballs. Let's publish THAT!"
Am I old fashioned, or is it faintly sick that the author is describing kids she knows, or at least kids at her child’s high school, as sexually attractive, in romance novel terms?
Nope, 100 percent "sus", as the kids would say now.
My wife is a romance novel writer, and she is constantly reading other authors and reads to me some of the REALLY bad writing. As Rebecca was reading excerpts, this was my immediate thought; it sounded like very amateurish high school-setting, romance novel writing. Like she was trying to validate the sometime very creepy bully-romance novels that some people like for some reason.
Actually you’re pretty new fashioned. The further back you go, the more this is a common occurrence.
Just got to the postscript. Yikes! Ok, fine, you’ve got the hots for some highschoolers-that happens. Keep it to yourself and don’t you dare act on it or let them know.
Wait, you’ve got the hots for *kids the same age as your kids* ‽ Shouldn’t a switch have flipped at some point that they’re too young? I remember being only in my mid-20s when I showed up for the university orchestra at the beginning of the semester and all of a sudden the 18- and 20-year-olds looked like kids to my brain. And I didn’t even have kids of my own at that point.
@@natbarmore well people were marrying 12 year olds for how long? Some biological attraction has to have stuck over the years
This story was ridiculous. The boy in question could have gone to prison for what he had done. Instead he got six months of silent treatment, why the hell would I care about him not receiving serious (non-teenage) consequences.
But...but...people were being not nice to him! How could you be so cold hearted towards this poor sweet innocent boy who made a simple harmless mistake who then faced proportionate, appropriate and well deserved consequences from his peers?! SMH my head da left so heartless.
Wow that hurt to write.
@@iamjustkiwi F for your braincells...
Why do y'all hate teen boys so much & want to lock them all up, nice carceral feminism!
I wouldn’t send the kid to prison for that, but absolutely more serious consequences are needed for these things, but more importantly what’s needed are constructive forms of justice, in any given case. Prison is retributive, not that it’s never appropriate, but absolutely should be limited to violent crimes. Justice in America is almost completely modeled on retribution; no restoration, no reparation, and no real rehabilitation (eg, given the consequences of a felony, how the F is the person supposed to be rehabilitated when for nearly a decade after time served that sentence effects their material and social wellbeing). We just have no concept of what justice could be or should be, but we definitely have a culture consistently reinforced to desire revenge (and I don’t think it’s an accident, but that’s another conversation).
In a case like this, if we had models of justice, systemically speaking AND culturally, we could actually see really positive teaching moments and constructive outcomes, and maybe actual justice. Instead we get garbage articles, the perpetrator feeling victimized and being told they should feel victimized, no real justice for the victim, and differing “sides” feeling vindictive and resentful, completely missing out on what could have been a variety of great teaching moments at a young age. It fucking sucks.
Yes, the kid needed swift and highly uncomfortable consequences. I just think we can do better than jail, or any other retributive approach, if restorative, reparative, and rehabilitative approaches to justice were valued and practiced.. This could be a story were not just one, but many young boys and men learn how to be/not be, and many young girls and women learn what they can do, and what they should expect, if they’re victimized in this way… I digress. ✌️
@@nikolademitri731 hi, I'm a prison abolitionist, and I don't think it's a humane form of criminal justice.
The comment was to highlight the entirely *disparate nature* of the punishment supposedly prescribed by American law for his actions versus what *actually happened* to the boy, which was nothing.
While I could have made a comment suggesting what I believed should happen to the boy, I thought it was besides the point of the comment.
Oh boy, Rebecca making reasonable statements about sexual harassment. Historically, this has always resulted in pleasant comment sections. Good content as always, and my sympathy in advance for what is about to happen here.
They are here in record time. I appreciate them helping to spread our videos to a wider audience. I always appreciate when folks who disagree with us do the legwork of helping us reach nire ears 😀
well lets hop on the elevator and enjoy the ride
Not long ago I watched a news report about a young lady who managed to get herself out of kidnapping situation (paired with SA ofc) with a comment attached to a food delivery order. And I really had thought that surely society is past that, but I kid you not, at least 40% of the comments were about how that was her fault for "hooking up" online. Blaming the victim is alive and well.
Only if they aren’t male victims
Only if they aren’t male victims
The fact that teenage girls graffiti'd a list of abusers in the bathroom to protect each other is a perfect and depressing illustration of what it's like to be a woman in this country. You have to come up with your own methods to pass information around and keep yourself safe because the system is set up to enable people to hurt you.
The GOP is out there ensuring that even rapists will have a child. Scary.
Maybe if they focused on their studies instead of creating adult relationships at such a young age they wouldn't have to come up with anything.
@@Kirsanov humans aren't robots who you put productivity into and get healthy adults out of. Humans need relationships and fun. Its clear that your hatred for young woman overshadows any ability you could have to see them as human. I can't see any other reason for you to malign them for normal human behavior.
@@Kirsanov Right, because we all know that young girls/women have only had sexual relationships in the last few years and did not do this back in the "good old days". Dude, your comment is a joke.
@@Kirsanov obvious when support supports the predators
Diego got off a lot easier than he could have: he could be spending 30 years in prison for possession of child porn, her next boyfriend could have gotten the football team to kick his ass; he and his parents could have been sued by her and her parents, and the list goes on. Social ostracization happens among teens based on things as petty as music choices and hairstyle; it's not like Diego's experience was that much worse than anyone else's.
*should have
It should become a matter of standard practice to kick the ass of anyone who violates consent.
Well, likewise, Diego could've raped and murdered her, so she got off easy too. Or is that only works one way?
I assure you no sane judge would send a high schooler someone to 30 years in jail for having nudes of his girlfriend
@@yaoiboi60 Keep telling yourself that, though I suspect you're older than high school age.
Like (I imagine) a lot of other people who got bullied or ostracised at school, my response hearing about this was: "Wait... he got treated like that... but it was an actual consequence of his utterly horrible, deplorable actions? I got treated much, much worse, and all I did was exist as someone who was nerdy/ weird/ fat/ gay/ the wrong colour/ etc, (delete as appropriate)". Poor little misogynist creep- my heart absolutely bleeds for him. He's lucky he didn't get expelled and arrested.
For real. It's pretty clear the person who wrote this up hasn't been bullied or done a serious social faux pas and been called out on it (not meaning to imply sharing nudes is simply a faux pas btw). If anything, this guy got too few consequences.
Seriously. I was completely socially ostracized in grade school for 4 years for being gender nonconforming. He's here losing some friends and potential victims over sexual abuse, while some grown woman goes out of her way to write a martyr story for him that borders on pedophilic.
That dude wouldn't had any right to whine over his treatment even if he'd been shanked in the cafeteria line by those girls or their friends.
@@SonsOfLorgar I think THAT might be a bit too far tbh.
Same. I received far worse treatment for simply existing whilst being different. I was harassed, bullied, stalked and physically assaulted by both boys and girls for the crime of not fitting in and nothing was ever done despite my complaints and witnesses backing me up but this kid actually did something criminal and gets away with it and has the ego to complain.
This story has been particularly hard for me personally due to what happened to me in school. I'd introduced a female friend from another school to a guy from my school who I used to hang out with, only for them to start dating and, as you might guess, him to share intimate photos of her that he'd sent him. As the person that introduced them, I felt personally responsible when I saw him doing this and alerted her so that she at least knew what was happening. Next day he turns up, sulking, as she'd naturally talked to him about it and he'd lashed out, causing her to break up with him.
Now, I'm someone who struggled when it came to friends, I'm autistic, I have very nerdy interests, and I'd only really just 'made it' regarding joining what I considered to be a strong friend circle the year before (I used to spend a lot of my time in the library talking to the librarians during break and lunch). Sadly I was wrong as a bunch of them began coming after me, demanding to know why I'd warned her about what he was doing. The worst were the other girls at our school, and they really dug into me about some bullshit idea of loyalty and how she's this outsider (when she wasn't to me), and how none of them could ever trust me again, effectively cutting me out until school ended that year. Thankfully when it came to picking my college I picked the nearby one which only two other people from my school went to meaning I never had to deal with their bullshit again.
So I have to wonder, where's my article? Where's the posts talking about abuse culture and how society teaches people, including women, to form rank around people who violate people's boundaries? Where's people's cries about how I was 'cancelled' over taking a stand?
Oh, right, that's just for the cis boys behind said abuses. >_
@EssenceOfThought thank you for sharing your story and for sticking up for your friend. I walked away from my group of friends during my Sophomore year because of backstabbing and gossip. It was hard to be alone. I found new friends but I never had a core group like that again.
I’m crying 😂 my sister sent me this article and asked me what I thought about it. I told her that it was written like a bad YA novel and the description of the kids was inappropriate. We talked about it and basically the conclusion was obviously there was things going on that were harmful and because prior to covid the school admin wasn’t doing their job the other kids took it into their own hands. When I was younger there were people actually getting in trouble with the cops over sexting and sending nudes underaged. You need real consequences to see that somethings aren’t ok. This article just is another “promising young man” who has done something bad sob story.
On the contrary Rebecca, I think reading the story was worth your time because it led you to stand up and defend these teenage girls who were getting needlessly and irresponsibly maligned by a major news outlet. We need voices like yours calling out BS and standing up for whats right
Sounds like this whole story was written by Diego’s mom
Idk. If I was his mom, I would have “cancelled” him myself.
Close. Apparently the writer's son did go to school with Diego.
@@Mythic00 sounds like a certain authors son should be investigated for posession of child porn...
There is a good netflix documentary about the Steubenville rape case. "Those boys are football players and therefore the only people who have a future in this shitty town. Don't ruin their future by holding them accountable for their crime."
"Please consider setting aside judgement for a moment..." But only for this one kid, not anyone else involved 🙄
I'm not sure the author really wants me to set aside my judgement of the boy for a moment, because the other thing that is strongly in my mind is how borderline pedophilic her writing sounds...
So some lady was upset at what happened at her kid's school and wrote a fanfic sob story for the boy who shared unconsensual images, and New York Magazine looked that over, questionable grammar and all, then printed it. Yeah, checks out
The abstraction of "cancellation" really needs to stop, or else render the term so meaningless that it falls out of use. Social shunning is usually not great, but just labelling all of it as canceling puts the burden on the people around the person at fault. Most full grown adults don't know how to healthily deal with someone in their life doing serious ill, finding out if the person is genuinely sorry, and going through the healing process of a friendship that will never be the same. Kids are going to be clumsy at it
I personally think this “rendering it meaningless” has happened, but I don’t think that means the use stops. “Cancel culture” is the one that’s really lost meaning, it lost that meaning a year ago at least as far as I can tell, but it’s like “SJW”, “woke”, and other such terms: they cease to have any definitive meaning, even if they once had one (like woke, and canceling), but their use continues on for people, primarily for rightists. It took a good 3-4 years for “SJW” to die off, or at least not be commonly used, and I expect the same for “cancelling” and “cancel culture”. (My guess/hope is after they’re useless for right wing campaigning, then it will die.)
Ps - I say all this as someone who thought Ben Burgis’s book on the matter was very good, and as someone who quite likes the various lengthy video essays on the matter, especially Contra Points work. I do think a serious critique from the left can be and has been valid, but once it became highly weaponized for right campaigning, the value and efficacy of such left pushback sort of has to drop off, otherwise you appear to be (and maybe sometimes are) helping them. Still, I don’t think the critique becomes invalid. ✌️✊
@@nikolademitri731 "Western culture" still lives on, JP still whines about "postmodern marxism", Americans still call anything slightly non-conservative "socialism" or even "communism" ... terms having lost all meaning doesn't mean conservative thought leaders will stop using them.
@@KaiHenningsen 100% .. I didn’t think of a couple of those examples, but great points. It can be decades of use, as long as they find it useful.
Also - this books down to people not wanting to hang out with a teen who abused his girlfriend. Are we supposed to feel sorry for him over that? Bizarre.
Saw this on Twitter and was just aghast at the buffoonery on display in this article. I'm old enough to automatically recall Steubenville and Rahteah (and what those girls suffered through in comparison) when I saw the subject of this article. The fact that a woman wrote this is just further insult on top of injury because once again society's programming is so clearly put on display: Boys being inconvenienced with the consequences of bad behavior is such a new and radical concept that the experience on the community is jarring at best or a tragedy at worst, but girls being communally bullied to the point of their whole families having to relocate, change schools or fucking committing suicide... well that's just society's Snuggie blanket.
The real issue here is how structures in place still do not have official satisfactory methods of addressing these types of issues and restoring balance as well as reaffirming this type of behavior is unacceptable. When admins and institutions fail to protect, the community will do it themselves. THAT'S THE REAL ISSUE HERE: The kids are on their own to establish & enforce boundaries and consequences for violations.
Also that KAWS illustration...wtf is that about?
I sort of appreciated some of what the article highlighted, but given the response, I reckon it did so poorly. You're on the money with what the real problem is, and it'd been great if the article concluded by emphasizing that.
I however feel that many, in response to the article, undercut the gravity of social ostracization. I think we can all agree that it's horrible when a victim is doubly punished with it. But I think it's important that we can admit that it's not healthy for anyone, especially teens, and that we should be able to discuss how to better discipline perpetrators. Even if we feel they might deserve it.
@@_Kiren_ well... for one, he should have been charged in actual court with the three felonies of producing, posessing and distributing child pornography...
And the school admin along with BdV should have been charged with child endangerment as well as aiding and abetting sex crimes.
Going to 4 proms and still having lots of Friends isn't what i would call social ostracization...? And i would know, i've BEEN there to say the least.
@@_Kiren_ Yeah, that's definitely wasn't social ostracization. Even if it were though, is it really a punishment in this case? Avoiding someone because they've shown themselves to be unsafe or choosing not to be friends or engage with someone because they've done something terrible is a natural human reaction that isn't necessarily about punishing the perpetrator. Losing friends because you did something wrong is a part of life and it's how you learn. I would consider that a matter of consequences, not necessarily punishment.
So "cancelled" just means "embarassed" now.
Shaming young people is how we as a society correct thier behavior.
Why not make an article about how a parent gave thier innocent little toddler a timeout for hitting thier sibling?
Cancel culture is what we used to call "getting your comeuppance".
"oh, no, my actions have consequences? Unacceptable!"
@@Gloomdrake Somehow you managed to summarize conservatism in a single sentence
Barf. It’s astounding the editors allowed this poorly written garbage, the idiotic framing notwithstanding. 🤢
It’s the New Yorker. Don’t expect better
@@daikucoffee5316 New York magazine, completely different publication
@@darins8756 Are you trying to cancel me?
@@daikucoffee5316 The sad thing is that you don’t realize you’ve already been canceled.
10:02 there's this weird thing i've noticed with about of these stories and that is people seem to be confusing "being canceled" with "facing the consequences of your action" which i find even stranger because i assume the kind of person who complains about "cancel culture" is also the same kind of person who is always talking about "personal responsibility".... and "if she didn't want it she shouldn't have dressed like that....
This "four proms" thing is good enough to become a meme in Rebecca Watson's comment sections. I look forward to its creative use in the future.
I was confused by that bit too, like, was attending multiple proms supposed to multiply the sympathy we are meant to have for him or something?
I think the boy was crying about the mental trauma of his shunning.
Yet he managed to go to 4 proms (Presumably his own plus 3 as an invited guest) which doesn't sound very isolated to me.
So she is saying that the other students should be ashamed for not wanting to associate with someone who had proven to be so fundamentally untrustworthy.
In a just world, Diego would have been Brett Kavanaugh and he was cancelled so badly that he never made it to law school. One can dream.
I just can't today with how entitled some men feel to everything. Actions have consequences, and as you pointed out, his were minimal.
As a white guy who's had so many easy opportunities given to me, so much benefit of the doubt, so many second third forth chances...you couldn't be more fucking right. I just wish more people could self reflect HONESTLY.
"Minimal" is still an exaggeration. He faced zero actual consequences.
Isn’t the sharing of nude pictures of underage girls the legal definition of child pornography?
How is Diego not in jail?
Imagine going to bat for someone who technically distributed underaged pornagraphy of his girlfriend. Hell in some states that would be enough for him to be arrested, and labeled a sex offender. He's lucky the worst to happen to him was his peers "canceled" him, and now he gets to be a poster boy for "cancellation" by men who see themselves at war with women. Fucking good job New York magazine, You elevated someone who basically committed a sex crime to hero status.
This boy had it coming (and worse, he should have been expelled and placed in therapy). Instead of defending the offender the author should have focused on how society fails in raising boys when this kind of thing is acceptable. Rape is bad enough but gang rape? Really? How does anyone go along with this evil and not have someone say "you people are sick and I'm getting this girl to safety"? We have failed when boys think this way of other human beings just because they are female. They are disgusting people who do deserve to have their futures ruined the way they have ruined the lives of their victims and the adults who label the VICTIM as a slut should be outed for public shaming. This is entirely down to the boys, their parents and our misogynist society as a whole.
The adults that enable this kind of crime through victim blaming and excuses should count as direct accomplices and obstructing justice by harassment of witnesses.
@@SonsOfLorgar Exactly. The parents should be made to attend parenting classes as obviously they are raises entitled misogynist little shits,
Does the author of this article understand that some boys have to bear the burden of having a shitty time in high school even if they never committed crimes against the people who trusted them?
I would've loved to have friends in high school. Or a girlfriend. Instead, I had depression and chronic pain, and I didn't destroy anything or anybody to get there.
i can absolutely see a teenager meeting the author of this article, being informed she was there to absolve sexual harrassment, and saying point blank to her face "god i love canceling people. cancel people all day. love it. who would u cancel?" and they're a champ for doing it
Okay *that* is the way I see those words coming out of a teen’s mouth ^_^
Honestly that makes a lot of sense. I can see my friends back in high school and me responding like that in protest or because we didn't want to take someone like the article writer seriously.
Revenge porn IS a type of sexual assault.
Damn, it’s as if the teen girls are in the wrong for insisting on respect from the teen boys.
The use of the word canceled by the writer of the article here goes right along with the Dave Chapelle-Ricky Gervais definition which is, essentially, "someone disagreed with me out loud."
"thought provoking" means "this is what I actually think but I want plausible deniability"
Underrated comment
Diego owes a debt of gratitude to everyone around him. It seems like everyone made sure he didn't have to suffer real consequences. Being shunned is a small price to pay when the alternative could have been a prison sentence for distributing child pornography. At 17, he could have been charged as an adult, which comes with nasty consequences such as a lifetime felony record and a sexual offender registration. If I were him, I'd dedicate every moment of my life to becoming a better person.
I agree...this article IS thought provoking...
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It really makes you think about the low standards of modern journalism. I mean...this is just grade school level garbage.
I started reading this article, and I couldn't get past the intro to it. It was just so poorly written, I had trouble following what the author was even trying to say. Glad I didn't waste too much time on it. I went in to it figuring that it was going to be a shit opinion piece, just because it's trying to call out 'cancel culture.' The only people who use that term are people who are afraid that they might suffer consequences of their shitty actions. Or in their words, they're worried that they will be 'canceled.'
The way she talks about these kids is also highly suspect
@@Gloomdrake Like the meme floating around TwitFace saying that the kids just want attention, and they don't know how to communicate because they're always on their phones. Supposedly it's something that a school aged kid said, but it reeks of Boomer.
The first comment on Jessica Valenti's blog on the topic is a man telling her off for glorifying the 'bullying' of Diego. I wonder if he or the incredibly creepy Elizabeth Weil are aware he has committed a crime? Do you know Diego's mother had the nerve to file a Title IX on *behalf of her creepy abusive son*?
I guess the real surprising story here is that the students apparently mostly reacted is a non-monstrous way to this. Somehow these teens were not horrible. Mostly.
Yeah making a mistake and then everybody telling everyone that you made a mistake is very reasonable. The worst thing about this is it got in the papers so now it might follow them all around instead of it just being something that Diego gets to learn about. Now he gets a load of assholes on the internet telling him he is the victim, so he never gets to learn and grow
Also, is what he did not illegal in the US? In Ireland revenge porn is illegal and sharing sexual images of fellow children is illegal. I think it's a year in prison or (more likely) a very large fine. If you are under age and manage not to commit any crimes for a period (I don't know how long it is) then your record gets wiped clean. (this goes for most crimes, I know there are exceptions and revenge porn which is also technically child porn in this case might be one of the exceptions?)
@@therabbithat it’s also illegal here, but the problem with that is you have to convince our justice system to actually take it up. And we struggle in that department
@@therabbithat I know I'm replying ridiculously late, but yes it's illegal in the US, mostly on the basis of possessing / distributing child porn (revenge porn laws vary by state). However, the under-aged girl who took the photos of herself would also be liable for child pornography and distribution. So I can see why she didn't pursue it with the police.
My understanding is, the laws that criminalize minors who take their own photos are intended to prevent pornographers from exploiting a legal loophole of forcing or convincing the child take the photos themselves. But IRL the laws have been used to prosecute girls who report to the police that their nudes have been distributed.
“Cancel culture” is what scumbags call consequences
How the hell did this even get published?!
As that Gawker article Rebecca showed at the end noted, with the writer having a child who was a student at that school (graduated shortly before the incident, hence the editors ruling it not a story breaking conflict of interest), they had an ethical obligation to disclose that fact for transparency. But doing that would completely undermine making the involved parties anonymous for privacy, because then any Tom, Dick, or Harry could just look up where Weil's kid went to high school and that way look up the real names.
In short, this was both creepy apologetics and not the least bit thought out.
Did the author of that article really have the backpack wearing a hoodie? That was some gawd-awful writing. And the author was typing one-handed while swooning over those high school boys.
So he committed a crime and people don't like him for it...how sad for him! Poor Diego! :( /s
Loved Gawker's articles repeatedly pointing out the stupidity in the "Canceled at 17" fanfiction.
Had no idea Gawker was still going. Thanks!
Sounds like Diego needed to be cancelled. He's lucky there weren't any criminal charges.
I think it's pretty safe to say that any article with a title that implies someone is being cancelled, is not worth the time.
I’d say Diego has a promising future as a Supreme Court Justice ……… great video, thanks
The only surprising thing about this is that he faced anything that even resembles consequences at all.
As an almost 46 year old boy, I think that the boy in the article was let off very lightly and suffered minimal consequence.
If he learnt that he shouldn't be a POS because of it, good. My 46 years of experience tells me he learned nothing and people still stood up for him with the full knowledge of his POS actions, including a national newspaper article trying to say how hard he had it, whilst the girl in the story was violated and will probably live with the effects for the rest of her life.
IMO, he should have had far worse consequences.
I feel you're downplaying the severity of what happened to him by not taking into account how many more proms he could have gone to if he hadn't been cancelled.
Sarcasm?
Thanks for sharing the info about those other cases, I wasn't familiar with them. I can't believe we live in a time where this shit is STILL going on. Makes me so mad.
This sounds like a thirteen-year-old girl's badly written fanfiction!
You know what, never mind. It sounds like its written by a grown ash woman who is trying to sound like one
I couldn't figure out if it was suppose to be a fictional scenario or a real life story. It turning out to be real just made everything worse.
“Broooo… wut?”
It’s very hello fellow-teens.
If your fan-fic that includes “canceling”? I hate this timeline.
When you said the words "title nine" I immediately thought of DeVoss, so I'm a little hurt you'd think we wouldn't pick up on her being the villain.
3:39 That is one of the most disgusting things that I've ever seen written down. Of all of the gross words it's the use of "everybody" that truly makes my blood boil a little more than "few" and "beautiful" even did. What kind of sick f*ck looks at the world this way?
Are we absolutely sure Will isn’t Diego’s pen name?
edit: hoooooly shit that postscript
Wouldn't be surprised with how pathetically pandering to the POOR BOY this "article" was.
A teenage boy larping as an pedophilic adult woman is prolly not the healthiest coping mechanism
That post script explains a lot. At the same time, I have a lot more questions.
I concur
As in, "OK, which of the boys on the list, or of their friends, was hers?"
one note: "committing suicide" implies some sort of crime. "died by suicide" is much more understanding of the outside influence on suicidality rather than condemning it
Another alternative is complete suicide, as in "she completed suicide", which also erases the crime.
Died from deliberately inflicted despair?
@@dkingsbury It does generally imply an error, crime or sin. In many places and times suicide has been a crime. The Oxford English Dictionary has "commit" as:
To carry out (a reprehensible act); to perpetrate (a crime, sin, offence, etc.).
To make (an error, mistake, etc.); to do (something foolish or careless).
humorous and ironic. To do (something likened by the speaker to a crime or offence).
Sometimes the most accurate way to describe it is being "psychologically/socially tortured to death".
If someone's suicide is because they had some mental illness that they didn't get treatment for in time, they "died by suicide".
If it was because they were _driven_ to it by unbearably intense and pervasive abuse, they were killed, and in a way that was not even close to quick or painless.
@@dynamicworlds1 exactly. like society isolates and encourages silence
So, really a story about a total douchebag that deserved to be cancelled, and teenage girls looking out for each other by making a list of other douchebags that should be avoided. With a side of Betsy Devos. Loved it.
i am so mad they took kaws' art about depression and self doubt to put it on this garbage piece of journalism
I heard about this article on Twitter and my initial reaction was "JFC". Said reaction has since progressed to "WTAF".
"Presumably with one hand" HA
God I read parts of the article when it came out, I was not able to read the whole thing it was too disgusting. I think that garbage piece of writing shows really well how women doing anything in the face of abuse and sexual misconduct in any form, even simply telling other people about it, is seen as too extreme and abusive against the man/person in question. Facing any consequences at all for their behaviour is seen as too much and unfair
Cancel-culture is primarily a meta narrative which condenses complex problems into one single word: cancelled
When i was young (presmartphone) girls where "canceled" and traumatised schoolwide by inventing rumors about their promiscuity or sharing pictures/videos of them shot in secret. This is not a new thing, and in some ways this is better at least this is not a victim being canceled.
This is so freakin gross 🤢 wtf
Sorry can't finish the video... there is so much wrong here.
Edit: kept watching this carcrash unfold...
The postscript validated my sense there was a vibe of that meme of Steve Buscemi saying "How do you do, fellow kids?"
The amount of purple prose in this article would make a fanfic author cringe.
I cringed so hard at the words psychedelically and celestial.
Thank you so much for all of the good work that you do. In an insane world, this channel is my island of hope. :)
5 minutes in and I'm already thinking this author should have kept this "article" in their weird erotica folder
Not to encourage my behavior, but when a friend in high school was raped, we responded with baseball bats, a golfing club, and a 2x4.
He never walked right again, could not hold anything in his left hand, and had difficulty speaking.
Your friends left and girls wouldn't date you?
I have felt guilt for what I did once I realized how horrendous we were.
A little cancellation? You'd have to remind me it happened.
Especially since most of the time the "cancelled" person ends up getting MORE attention rather than less, like in this exact article. It's wild.
Honestly thats the correct response. Rapists go on to rape more people. You possibly saved potential victims.
Wow I want you as a friend
If the US system doesn't allow your fried to get justice in any other way, I considder it a proportional response...
@@SonsOfLorgar You remind me that ... yeah, the cops dismissed her because she was a high school girl dating a college guy and she should expect stuff like that to happen (1990).
Yeah ... that was why I went off, but ... still, it was too much.
And I should have done more to help her, focused on her. Maybe then we'd still be in touch today.
I'm a college English professor, and I have first year international students who write better than that. Hooooo-ly shit.
someone please explain to me how once he shared the photos, it didn't become sexual assault
I assume that in the publishers office there was a conversation that went something like:
"I wrote a think piece about how much one of my son's friends was vilified by cancel culture for doing something boys 'do' even though he apologised"
"Okay, after skimming through what you've submitted I can tell you, You're a horrible human being for siding with the boy and also a terrible writer, but I have to accept it, because it will clearly get passed around by some equally horrible people and get traction by annoying anyone with an ounce of humanity and the main characters possibly foreign name will stir up the racists. it's perfect I wish you had ten more stories just like it. Did you know I've cried myself to sleep more times than I can remember? I haven't had a proper human emotional response to anything in over 10 years. But hey modern journalism... Wait which bit's of that did I say out loud... *sigh*"
Ewwww. Just all gross and terrible. This was definitely not cancelling, it was barely reaping the reputation you sow. Yuck. He's lucky (or maybe not, since there was little to no consequence to induce learning from such an offense) he's not on the sex offender registry. OMG the post-script
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Love your content.
Peace.
The article reads more like a fan-fiction. All I got from this story is that teenagers and booze don’t mix and never let someone take nude pics of you.
Hey, when I was 17 and creepy, my writing wasn't rven half as bad as that.
I am sooo confused who writes something like that and comes up with this stuff
1950s vintage erotic writers. Her writing gave off that kind of air.
that post-script is the absolute kicker. just puts it all in perspective
i refused to read the article and i appreciate your having read it for me
"Canceled", as if that actually means anything except "called out on your bullshit".
"Teenage boy pisses off his peers by doing something shitty, suffers limited social consequences that will not matter a year from now" seems like pretty weak material. Like, what editor thought this was worthy of running? Was there nothing else better being pitched?
"They're coming for your precious boys" has way more cultural appeal in America than the entirely normalized "your girls are treated like shit and expected to just take it".
I don't get pleasure out of saying this, but that journalist, and editor should face some sort of consequences for this story. They should do a follow up in which they tell this story from that young ladies point of view. This should also include an accurate representation of her feelings about the original story, it's author, and any feelings she has about what she believes the authors motivation for the story might be. That seems more than fair to me. Of course none of that will happen.
Sure, teens can be cruel, but SA and other related crimes are the horror.
6:05
"Shatner. I'd cancel William Shatner."
I'll just say what everyone is thinking: I'd like to cancel _with extreme prejudice_ five members of the SCOTUS.
@@AlbertaGeek this is the one imo. So much for a nonpartisan, unbiased judiciary, not that it's ever actually been that but the mask is so off now it's insane.
@@iamjustkiwi Oh, sometimes it is, just for example the judge in the Dover trial was, IIRC, appointed by the conservatives, and so were a number of judges the "stolen election" idiots ran to and also lost. Those ones qualify in my eyes. Too bad they're not the ones on SCOTUS.
@@iamjustkiwi they took the mask off so hard that several layers of skin went with it
Apparently Weil has never had photos of herself shared with strangers. The shame of this article will have to do.
Am I wrong, after reading the postscript, in thinking the author had an unhealthy obsession with these high school kids? Apart from the miswritten story, let me just say if I was a parent at that school, I wouldn’t want the writer anywhere near my kids based on how she described children she very probably met.
1:26 Nevermind the writer- do they not have copy editors at New York magazine?
I take it that the New York Magazine has absolutely no standards when it comes to submissions?
15:13 *”One of writer Elizabeth Weil’s children attended the school”* 🤬
But wait there’s more. The gawker revealed the author of the article has a kid in that school 😂
Did Ernest Cline write this shit? Someone fish that prose out of the Hudson so we can identify the author via dental records.
Do police still do that?
They do unless police shows from the 80s and 90s were lying to me all along.
@@AlbertaGeek Well that’s an idea I refuse to believe.
@@wellesradio Nostalgia time:
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Is this... like... a professional journalist or a weird Go Go Diego High School AU fanfic?
The mic drop moment at the end was accompanied by the thud of my jaw hitting the floor. How very dare they.
Using the term "canceled" when being held accountable for shitty behavior is quite trendy. Hey by the way, I'd be really curious to learn more about the phenomena of women (like Betsy Devos) who seem to advocate against the upward mobility of other women. What exactly drives these ladies, and why do they all seem to have oversized pearls, primary color dresses, bleached blond, hyper hair sprayed, big hair? Sorry , that's a bit of a cruel stereotype, but look at the women of Trumps fanbase and tell me it isn't an over represented style.
She's the daughter of a billionaire. It's the "fuck you, I got mine" white woman look.
Waiting for the author of this article to claim they were "canceled" because trey were made fun of so much on Twitter.
I didn't know a backpack could fit inside a hoodie. That's the real takeaway here. Mary Poppins must be real.
Why was this article even published?
Wait, unfriending someone because of cheating makes sense though.
I had to go back because I thought maybe I missed the "ex" , like it was a punishment for hooking up with anyone your friends have hooked up with, which does happen and is stupid.
Makes sense, is a valid response, but is also pretty extreme. It also makes sense and is valid to eventually forgive someone for making a mistake like that. Plus the boyfriend is also at fault...
No it doesn't, and if it happened in high school then it is a good idea to apologize when you grow up.
If you want to do the monogamy thing that is fine. If you expect your partner to do it with you, that can be reasonable. If you punish your friends for their sexlives, that is childish.
@@upgradeplans777 you think it’s unreasonable to stop being friends with someone who sleeps with your cheating boyfriend?
@@upgradeplans777 once again, it's not the sex, it's the dishonesty and enabling cheating that some people (not you, apparently, which is totally fine, but some people) find off-putting
@@Curtis006 It's not unreasonable to stop being friends with someone who betrays your trust, no matter how that trust is broken.
A few years ago, Jordan Peterson made headlines with his endorsement of enforced monogamy. It is the idea that people should not be in charge of their own relationships, but that monogamy must be assumed and non-monogamy must be stigmatized. Policing the sexlives of your partner and your friends is exactly what that looks like. (Johnson also added a huge scoop of misogyny on top of it, but that is less relevant here.)
If a hookup is consensual and amicable, there is nothing wrong with trusting the judgement and good character of your fling. With what other activity would it not be okay to assume a friend's boyfriend is authoritative on the relevant agreements in HIS OWN relationship?
Now, if you have been friends for years, and you know their relationship details, and you know that it is a big insecurity for your friend to have their partner sleep around..., then yes, you are definitely to blame for breaking the trust in your friendship.
Does any of this apply to a high school relationship? I think that is very unlikely, and Rebecca's own reflection on this tells us that it was blown out of proportion in this instance.
You're not supposed to make it so obvious that your underage slasher fanfic is based on your kid's real classmates. That lady has predator vibes, no kidding.
Ngl I wish my body was freshly stretched
This was so much worse than I imagined and wow that writing was bad.
This is why I don't take cancel culture seriously.