I have a little TB I pulled from a kill pen that had terrible issues with being girthy (probably what landed him at the kill pen). It took a lot of trial and error and patience, (and ruling out other possible physical issues) but he’s doing really well now. Here’s what worked for him: 1) did a six week ulcer treatment omeprozole and sucralfate, 2) took him off all cereal grains - he gets alfalfa mix hay, purina omega match, and rice bran, and 3) I do a few minutes of ground work with him EVERY time before I get on him.
The horse in my profile picture was like that times 10. Part of her restart, I saddled her every day and let her learn to wear it. Figured out a few pieces along the way and she got better. Now she will sigh when I'm bringing the cinch up.
I have one that’s been cinchy for two years I’ve done everything under the sun. The vets haven’t gone after ulcers because she’s not under weight. Is it still a possibility?? I might send her through a round of supplements also. Is there a particular one you recommend?
Oh, it's 100% still a possibility whether they're underweight or not. The supplement I used for this one is gut x. I also like Succeed, but I've had some horses who loved it, and some who wouldn't touch it. Gut X has worked pretty universally for us. And just as a disclaimer, you already know this, but there are straight up bad minded horses out there that aren't going to be fixed with any amount of love or special supplements.
@@zacharias.horsemanship oh 100% agree!! Thank you so much! It’s worth a shot!! Luckily this horse doesn’t buck or anything anymore! She can be ridden and rides nice! It’s just the saddling process she’s really flinchy at the saddle and cinch and gets pretty worried any time a saddle comes out despite years of work lol she should be over it by now there kinda why we’re thinking maybe pain related! Once the saddles on and you can get her going she’s good! But man saddling her she still snorts at the saddle and gets pretty worried any time it comes out. It’s ridiculous lol!
For some reason, (worms/parasites?), seem to make ulcers remarkably common in horses. I think your plan with consideration of that is the perfect plan. I also wonder if a horse with a past history of ulcers where the cinch caused pain, might a horse become cinchy because it associates the cinch with pain even though that prior history with ulcers has passed? I have a horse that was perfectly happy at the walk and trot, but on our first outside ride that was going very well almost turned into a wreck immediately after I asked him to lope. This was really out of character for him and we worked it out over time, but I was always stumped about this issue. With your mention of ulcers and thinking back to that time, I now wonder if he may have had a milder ulcer issue where pain wasn't an issue until elicited by the work of a lope? It never crossed my mind at the time, but would that make sense? Nice looking horse - perhaps a little on the chunky side and needing a cut in rations, at least according to my vet when my herd acquired the same build from a little to much love and good intentions. 😄 Also looking forward to the update!
For sure. I definitely believe horses can have pain association with certain experiences that can cause them to continue to react in a negative way even after the pain has passed. I totally agree, he is beyond the "little bit chunky" point. 😂 The first time I saddled him I barely had enough latigo. We're working on that. Lol Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate you watching!
I have used a flank/belly rope on lots of them and it can sure teach them to handle the unknown. I have also seen people who 'think' they know how to use one abuse, burn and hurt a horse and I sure cringe when I see then do it. You kids sure have a good way about you!
I agree with that! I think it's a great tool when done right and I hope that by showing more of it we can clear some of the negative stigma around it. Thanks, Gerry.
Love the intelligent analysis. So much better than 'domination' theory.
Looking forward to the update video.
We'll see how the owner wants to proceed and keep you guys posted.
I have a little TB I pulled from a kill pen that had terrible issues with being girthy (probably what landed him at the kill pen). It took a lot of trial and error and patience, (and ruling out other possible physical issues) but he’s doing really well now. Here’s what worked for him: 1) did a six week ulcer treatment omeprozole and sucralfate, 2) took him off all cereal grains - he gets alfalfa mix hay, purina omega match, and rice bran, and 3) I do a few minutes of ground work with him EVERY time before I get on him.
The horse in my profile picture was like that times 10. Part of her restart, I saddled her every day and let her learn to wear it. Figured out a few pieces along the way and she got better. Now she will sigh when I'm bringing the cinch up.
Glad you got her through that. Good job 👍
Beautiful colour
I have one that’s been cinchy for two years I’ve done everything under the sun. The vets haven’t gone after ulcers because she’s not under weight. Is it still a possibility?? I might send her through a round of supplements also. Is there a particular one you recommend?
Oh, it's 100% still a possibility whether they're underweight or not. The supplement I used for this one is gut x. I also like Succeed, but I've had some horses who loved it, and some who wouldn't touch it. Gut X has worked pretty universally for us.
And just as a disclaimer, you already know this, but there are straight up bad minded horses out there that aren't going to be fixed with any amount of love or special supplements.
@@zacharias.horsemanship oh 100% agree!! Thank you so much! It’s worth a shot!! Luckily this horse doesn’t buck or anything anymore! She can be ridden and rides nice! It’s just the saddling process she’s really flinchy at the saddle and cinch and gets pretty worried any time a saddle comes out despite years of work lol she should be over it by now there kinda why we’re thinking maybe pain related! Once the saddles on and you can get her going she’s good! But man saddling her she still snorts at the saddle and gets pretty worried any time it comes out. It’s ridiculous lol!
For some reason, (worms/parasites?), seem to make ulcers remarkably common in horses. I think your plan with consideration of that is the perfect plan. I also wonder if a horse with a past history of ulcers where the cinch caused pain, might a horse become cinchy because it associates the cinch with pain even though that prior history with ulcers has passed?
I have a horse that was perfectly happy at the walk and trot, but on our first outside ride that was going very well almost turned into a wreck immediately after I asked him to lope. This was really out of character for him and we worked it out over time, but I was always stumped about this issue. With your mention of ulcers and thinking back to that time, I now wonder if he may have had a milder ulcer issue where pain wasn't an issue until elicited by the work of a lope? It never crossed my mind at the time, but would that make sense?
Nice looking horse - perhaps a little on the chunky side and needing a cut in rations, at least according to my vet when my herd acquired the same build from a little to much love and good intentions. 😄 Also looking forward to the update!
For sure. I definitely believe horses can have pain association with certain experiences that can cause them to continue to react in a negative way even after the pain has passed.
I totally agree, he is beyond the "little bit chunky" point. 😂 The first time I saddled him I barely had enough latigo. We're working on that. Lol
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate you watching!
I have used a flank/belly rope on lots of them and it can sure teach them to handle the unknown. I have also seen people who 'think' they know how to use one abuse, burn and hurt a horse and I sure cringe when I see then do it. You kids sure have a good way about you!
I agree with that! I think it's a great tool when done right and I hope that by showing more of it we can clear some of the negative stigma around it.
Thanks, Gerry.