Why do Gimmicky Plants tend to suck?

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  • Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
  • i wanna play more risk of rain 2 let me play more risk of rain 2
    Joking aside, Gimmicky Plants are a concept you may be familiar with. These are the weirdos, the cool guys. You know what I mean. They also tend to be pretty bad. Why? I dunno. Maybe someone should make a video covering Hypno-Shroom and friends and their eternal terrible-ness.
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    Timestamps:
    0:00 - Intro
    2:09 - What makes a plant?
    4:58 - Why are Gimmicky Plants bad?
    10:48 - This is a problem... how?
    Footage is from:
    Plants VS Zombies
    Plants VS Zombies 2
    Risk of Rain 2
    Mods used (in no particular order):
    AltverZ
    Music used (in order of appearance):
    Tank 4 - Insaniquarium
    Wild West Wave 1 - PVZ2
    Chemistry On and On - OMORI
    Reflection - Hollow Knight
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  • @GNVS300
    @GNVS300 10 місяців тому +2359

    I’ve always thought Hypno-Shroom was extremely underrated; PVZ Wiki have always had a bias against him and I think as a result people read the ‘Strategies’ section and just wrote it off as a result. He’s an instant kill that takes out another zombie for you, and on PVZ2 he has a very strong Plant Food and works against several very tough enemies like Newspapers

    • @ttrouble_was_taken
      @ttrouble_was_taken 10 місяців тому +364

      Agreed, it’s so expensive because it does much more than chili bean. It not only insta kills, it stalls and does damage to all zombies in that lane.

    • @Roger-iu6rh
      @Roger-iu6rh 10 місяців тому +49

      Hypno shroom sucks deal with it

    • @GNVS300
      @GNVS300 10 місяців тому +325

      @@Roger-iu6rh 🐑

    • @iseegreen5297
      @iseegreen5297 10 місяців тому +21

      ​@@Roger-iu6rhthis is a certified TRUE✅️✅️✅️

    • @JoseViktor4099
      @JoseViktor4099 10 місяців тому +112

      Hypno Shroom is just very niche imo. Is too expensive to use in the Early game and too irelevant to use in the mid-late game. Hipnosis is very powerful, but there are plants Who does a better job , such as Couli-Power or Zoybean to a much lesser extend(not hipnosis, but also but Zombies to your side)

  • @nobodyimportant281
    @nobodyimportant281 10 місяців тому +1845

    Hypno Shroom's usefulness may be up for debate. But you cant deny that seeing a zombie turn back and attack it's peers is damn satisfying!

    • @EndertheDragon0922
      @EndertheDragon0922 10 місяців тому +97

      *peers
      But yes it’s super satisfying and fun even if it’s not the best

    • @bugeye3847
      @bugeye3847 10 місяців тому +38

      I mean in arena it’s pretty useful against chicken and weasel waves

    • @t-eehee7057
      @t-eehee7057 10 місяців тому +56

      In pvz 1 especially if you used it on the Disco zombie

    • @iker9095
      @iker9095 10 місяців тому

      ​@@t-eehee7057and football

    • @DragonTheOneDZA
      @DragonTheOneDZA 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@t-eehee7057 this makes me want Cleopatra zombie to come so I can have the feeling... But like I treat cats as gods WHICH WE DO

  • @Bamboo_bazooka
    @Bamboo_bazooka 10 місяців тому +365

    counterpoint hypnotizing the disco zombies and having a horde walk back towards the enemy was and is hilarious

  • @demilettucee3657
    @demilettucee3657 10 місяців тому +405

    What I've learnt is that despite being a bit "corny", gimmicks does undoubtably breeds uniqueness and perfectly strays from the usual and sometimes bland "sun, damage and wall" gameplay

  • @jossuecabrera8611
    @jossuecabrera8611 10 місяців тому +543

    I think plant combos are probably the most basic strategy that goes under everybody's radar. Sure, sometimes one damaging plant is enough to win a level, but there may be some points where the zombie density really demands for more from the player. As you said, Citron requires high hp targets to be alone to do anything. As for lightning Reed, it is very much countered by any high hp threats, but does significant work against weaker swarms. But when you combine the 2 plants together, they synergize very well and thus, having a very strong defense.
    Sometimes, having even 1 plant that counters a plants main weakness is all is needed to make a plant work.

    • @soulesspieceofcheese3093
      @soulesspieceofcheese3093 10 місяців тому +14

      not saying u r wrong but at that point u use 2 plant slots instead of one with barely any benefits.

    • @justanordinaryguy6568
      @justanordinaryguy6568 10 місяців тому +24

      Thats a total of 475 sun. 25 more and you get winter melon which only requires one slot and takes less space in the lawn. Plants that need synergies are obviously weaker than plants that you can just spam in game

    • @jossuecabrera8611
      @jossuecabrera8611 10 місяців тому +46

      @@justanordinaryguy6568 true, but you can still do synergies with winter melon as well. For example, the slowness of winter melon can put the zombies into rotobaga's range for longer and ensures that those same rotobagas survive. Or use spikeweed to make the chill splash more offensive. Or go for heavy stall by including sap fling or, probably more idealy, chard guard.
      So yeah. Even with easily spammable plants, they still can have synergies with other plants. But I do understand if if you view pvz in a different light. This is just how I see it.

    • @jossuecabrera8611
      @jossuecabrera8611 10 місяців тому +5

      @@soulesspieceofcheese3093 pretty good point actually.

    • @theonetheycallheadspace2899
      @theonetheycallheadspace2899 10 місяців тому +24

      ​@@justanordinaryguy6568yeah but comparing anything in vanilla to winter melon is like talking about cool guns and someone breaks in like "OR YOU COULD JUST USE A GRENADE"
      like... yeah
      Winter melon is op as fuck and has almost 0 downsides
      You should almost ALWAYS be using winter melon
      By that logic
      Why use any plant when you can just place 2 rows of Pokra and solo INFINITE gargantuars
      Just because something is more broken doesn't mean something ELSE is bad

  • @inkyjonin5341
    @inkyjonin5341 10 місяців тому +120

    I remember when I was 8 playing pvz1 I had no idea of any metas or anything. So I ran hypno shroom as soon as I got him. I found very quickly he was best for killing high health targets and helping clear lanes and because I only used fume, puff, and scardey shroom, I essentially had to use him to handle anything higher than a cone head until I unlocked doom shroom. And even then the crater made me prefer hypno anyways. I tried to use every plant right after I unlocked them (even garlic and marigold for some reason) and even now I find it much more fun than basting through with the threepeater melonpult meta.

    • @TheMistermastermario
      @TheMistermastermario 10 місяців тому +25

      hypno shroom is given right when football zombie is introduced, so i think the intention is to use it on those

    • @StingRai08
      @StingRai08 10 місяців тому +4

      @@TheMistermastermario yes but potato mine is just better. cheaper, with splash so you can take out multiple zombies reliably rather than maaybe taking that one conehead out as well in some cases

    • @inkyjonin5341
      @inkyjonin5341 10 місяців тому +14

      @@StingRai08 the splash is still 1x1 and in my child head the arm time was too long to make it worth it especially during night levels where the biggest threats are disco and football, both of who get a lot of mileage being hypno'd due to the summoning mechanic and high health respectively

    • @StingRai08
      @StingRai08 10 місяців тому +8

      @@inkyjonin5341 fair. i just don't like hypno because your defense hits the zombie a good bit, so you already lose a lot of value just from playing the game right.

    • @inkyjonin5341
      @inkyjonin5341 10 місяців тому +12

      @@StingRai08 fair enough. But in pvz1, the game is balanced around the lowest level players. You can beat the game without plants like blover and hypno but the average player might find them better because they solve a problem instantly and cost less than say 6 cacti and 2 planterns or 10 repeaters. Especially on that first playthrough where you don't have the high damage of cob cannon or melon. And proper sun production is a mystery to you

  • @flowersnek1010
    @flowersnek1010 10 місяців тому +64

    The way you described gimmicky plants at the end really reminds me of the distinction between player types used by the designers of Magic: The Gathering. In PvZ2, gimmicky plants like Hypno-shroom would be intended for "Johnny" players, who play to express themselves and delight in finding unique strategies that work.

    • @pvzmariosonica8fan
      @pvzmariosonica8fan 10 місяців тому +11

      I actually read somewhere that Magic: The Gathering was the _inspiration_ behind PvZ

    • @theratking185
      @theratking185 3 місяці тому

      Haha funni saproling tribal

  • @ffhycf
    @ffhycf 10 місяців тому +41

    Although hypno-shroom may not be the strongest plant it is still really fun getting a zombie on your side, especially, a gargantuar.

    • @furiouscorgi6614
      @furiouscorgi6614 4 місяці тому

      You can only hypnotize a Gargantuar via Plant Food on Hypnoshroom

    • @CoralReaper707
      @CoralReaper707 3 місяці тому +2

      God, I LOVE the plant food effect of hypno shroom for the reasons you stated

  • @cyberyoutabe5995
    @cyberyoutabe5995 10 місяців тому +25

    “gimmicky plants suck!!”
    Blover:

    • @that1apple
      @that1apple 10 місяців тому +4

      I mean this “if” applies to so many situations it’s almost not gimmicky

  • @runningoncylinders3829
    @runningoncylinders3829 10 місяців тому +43

    I liked to bring it out in PvZ 1 rarely in night for specifically buckethead or disco.
    If football showed up that early I’d have it on him too.

  • @matti.8465
    @matti.8465 10 місяців тому +170

    I think it's a matter of personal taste. Some people have more fun challenging themselves and learning the ins and outs of the game, while others prefer to feel powerful and win in the most efficient way.
    Neither way of playing is more or less valid than the other. But it will affect which plants you prefer.

    • @tpfoxCastro
      @tpfoxCastro 9 місяців тому +2

      Gimmicky plants aren't bad, there just are better plants wich can be said about most plants since Mega Gattling and Pokra exist

  • @JoseViktor4099
    @JoseViktor4099 10 місяців тому +119

    I remember when hypno Shroom said "its hypno time!!" And he hypnotized us all over the place . It was pretty bad really.

    • @Siwdvi
      @Siwdvi 10 місяців тому +6

      Me who's a human(I enjoyed this part)

    • @mydude6858
      @mydude6858 10 місяців тому +8

      I remember when people tried to be funny

    • @Eh.........
      @Eh......... 4 місяці тому

      ​@@mydude6858and you dare say that with a stupid profile picture? What was it supposed to be? A funny face? Your humor sucks, so your claim is denied
      Before you jump back at my profile picture like a lameo you are, my profile picture is a guy looking at a line of (twitter users, and calls them) clowns. Unfunny,right? Shouldn't be, it's a mockery at every Twitter user

    • @plfaproductions
      @plfaproductions 12 днів тому +1

      Nah bro, I think I'm into that

  • @mobgabriel1767
    @mobgabriel1767 10 місяців тому +15

    "Foolishness, creeps. Foolishness. good plants controls everything. And without good plants you can not protect anything. Let alone yourself."
    -vergil about PVZ

  • @Quasarel
    @Quasarel 10 місяців тому +22

    I disagree with your opinion because Hypno shroom told me to say this

  • @kayoh9364
    @kayoh9364 10 місяців тому +203

    - Conditional gimmicks required to achieve full potential (when non-gimmicky plants get the job done anyways, why bother?)
    - low raw stats (probably because they usually want to be conservative with gimmicks)
    - level design (there's no guarantee the gimmick will ever even be useful)
    It might be nice for a followup video to explore what makes gimmicky plants good (for the game) and what could be done to make gimmicky plants good. Forcing you to think outside the box from The Meta and formulate new/unusual strategies is basically the point of a gimmick, both on zombies and on plants.
    Maybe, since sporeshroom is often killing things way away from it, an additional effect might help- explosion on death, knockback on growth, even just higher stats or increased HP might help.
    Technically a lot of plants are gimmicks, they're just so generally useful that it doesnt seem like it. Instants? Trading a plant for zero longterm benefit is a gimmick. Bonk Choy? Melee range plant with muxh less durability than an actual wall, that's a gimmick. Counter-gimmicks like fire plants negating Ice Ages? That's a gimmick. Sun Shroom being a weaker sunflower at the start and stronger in the endgame? Also a gimmick.

    • @tpfoxCastro
      @tpfoxCastro 9 місяців тому +5

      I don't like that logic. You can say that gimmicky plants are bad because you can just use simpler plants with higher raw stats, but you can also use plants like Pokra to solo every level making normal and basic plants like repeeater useless. Saying that gimmick plants are bad just because better and simpler plants exist is just ignorant, simple plants are simple and complex plants are complex, some gimmicky plants may depend on certain zombies to work, but before every level starts you can see what zombies will appear so I don't see how is that a problem. There's always a stronger plant than the previous one, gimmicky or not

  • @DJBaphomet
    @DJBaphomet 10 місяців тому +137

    I honestly forgot Hypno Shroom was added with Dark Ages' release... I thought it was a newer plant when I first saw this video. It's just, so niche? In PvZ1 it has some funny use-cases (Disco Zombie) but it's pretty useless in PvZ2, especially due to being a premium plant
    On a different note though, I do think Spore-Shroom is unironically a *decent* plant? Maybe not good, but definitely not horrible, I think it's pretty fun to use, and it can rack up pretty easily and essentially work as extra, free defences whenever it kills a zombie

    • @FrostDirt
      @FrostDirt 10 місяців тому +8

      In PvZ1 it was introduced as a counter to Football Zombies

    • @Sp3ctralI
      @Sp3ctralI 10 місяців тому +9

      @@FrostDirtstill a very good counter to Disco Zombie nonetheless, even had an achievement

    • @TheOuchGuy
      @TheOuchGuy 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@@Sp3ctralIits not like dancing zombie is hard at all why does it matter

    • @Late0NightPC
      @Late0NightPC 10 місяців тому +9

      I agree, Spore Shroom is definitely better than I think most people realize, even if it's still way weaker than the meta-defining plants. The playerbase sees it as a "you plant one, then get a bunch of free ones, but those free ones die too quickly so it's bad". But what it's actually meant to do is a bit closer to something like Primal Peashooter, a staller-DPS hybrid. You plant a bunch of them in the backline, and then they start generating free copies up front that do deal SOME damage, but their main use is to slow down zombies by just throwing never-ending plants in their way they need to stop to eat.
      Or at least that's what the design would suggest to me. I think the intention of it was to be a "combo" with the Punk zombies, as they'd just kick the new spore shrooms right into your backline to keep them safer. But outside of that one extremely specific interaction, It's HP is so low, the same as any other generic attacking plant, that it can't stall the zombies for very long in practice, and even when leveling it with seed packets, it gains less HP than other plants.
      I really wish it would be given some higher HP, and maybe a slower but stronger attack. That way it's more likely to finish off already weakened zombies, spawn a copy, and then use the higher HP to slow down zombies more.

    • @mrsentrybuster
      @mrsentrybuster 10 місяців тому +6

      ​@@TheOuchGuyfree hypno backups for stalling

  • @user-ls8qt6mo2m
    @user-ls8qt6mo2m 10 місяців тому +26

    Something to watch while creeps is on break.Thanks creeps,very cool!

  • @underrated1524
    @underrated1524 10 місяців тому +52

    Gimmicky plants don't have to be bad. In fact, nearly any plant can be made wildly OP by fiddling with the numbers enough, with a few very rare exceptions like Intensive Carrot and Hot Potato.
    Gimmicky plants are tricky to balance properly, though, because of their unusual effects that are hard to compare to other plants. Sometimes they're stronger than the devs intended, sometimes their weaker. In the case of PopCap/EA with plant design, they usually err on the side of making gimmicky plants too weak rather than risk making them too strong, which is why it can feel to the player like gimmick plants are inherently weak.

    • @Chronically_Bored
      @Chronically_Bored 5 місяців тому +1

      Hell, i think you can even make carrot OP if you try hard enough. For example, if when he revives a plant, the plant gets a huge buff to everything (damage, HP, the revived plant's own effects (ie extending the effect's AoE and duration)) as well as buff every plant in a 3 by 3 square around them, while reducing his cost to 0 and recharge to 5 seconds. And there you have it ; a debatably OP support plant.

    • @mr.illuminatirekter3213
      @mr.illuminatirekter3213 4 місяці тому

      I'm thinking about how Hypno-Shroom is a bit weak for the cost, considering Chili Bean, and Squash exist. Those two have alternate, easier to use abilities for a cheaper cost. They should have had Hypno-Shroom be 50 sun, not 75, or 125 in PvZ2. It doesn't help that there are more enemies that don't eat plants than in PVZ1.

    • @walugusgrudenburg3068
      @walugusgrudenburg3068 4 місяці тому

      Intensive carrot could be made OP with just numbers. Zero sun cost and near-zero recharge and it's OP. Don't think that would fix Hot Potato though.

  • @lordhellstrande2763
    @lordhellstrande2763 10 місяців тому +20

    Admittedly, when I use hypnoshroom in pvz 1, it's usually against disco zombie who, if I'm remembering correctly (at least on mobile) the disco would still summon back-up dancers but under your control (if I'm remembering right. been a while)

    • @_-Lx-_
      @_-Lx-_ 10 місяців тому +1

      Yep, that's right, the most optimal use of Hypno and very funny.

    • @RealRalsei
      @RealRalsei 10 місяців тому +3

      Yeah and they give you an achievement for doing that exact thing

  • @quedtion_marks_kirby_modding
    @quedtion_marks_kirby_modding 10 місяців тому +11

    In some insane mods with lots of bs zombies (like most pvz 1 mods, lmao) hypno shroom is surprisingly usefull.
    When you are dealing with zombies that still eat plants, but have gargantuar level health (or mode, sometimes way more) it allows you to clean entire lanes in mods were not even instas can.

  • @datboiyt7112
    @datboiyt7112 10 місяців тому +11

    As soon as I get hooked on ror and pvz, you include gameplay of both. Massive coincidence (you have run into more scrappers in one level than I have ever playing risk of rain 2)

  • @theconchinator2680
    @theconchinator2680 10 місяців тому +10

    One place where hypno shroom shines in is the pvz console PVP
    Because of the switch in objective, and the different balancing plants have, it makes the hypno shroom very viable
    (Of course not many people play vs mode or have even heard about it, but still)

  • @enemykiller30
    @enemykiller30 10 місяців тому +12

    I always find Hypno-shroom very useful in PvZ2: Reflourished, since I started trying to beat every Holiday Mashup levels with only PvZ1 plants, they're really good if you fed them to the right zombie, and also since I can't use Power Lily, I really have a limited selection of instas, heck, even Hypno is better than Squash in some cases. That's why if you use it right, you'll definitely get why it's underrated. It's like how Starfruit is for PvZ1. That might be a terrible analogy but that's the best way I can put it.

  • @Designed1
    @Designed1 10 місяців тому +4

    I always love it when I find out that a UA-camr I've known for talking about one game that I know also plays another game that I know

  • @blackgalaxite6448
    @blackgalaxite6448 2 місяці тому +1

    I LOVE the fact that you used Insaniquarium Deluxe music! My absolute favorite game!

  • @Antrixxmb
    @Antrixxmb 10 місяців тому +51

    woah, 15 minutes of great content from a particularly cool youtuber while waiting for some youtubers stream!

  • @frederickhugo5650
    @frederickhugo5650 10 місяців тому +15

    Yes, they do suck, but I find myself using them more often because using conventional plants gets boring after a while.

  • @deemaske9143
    @deemaske9143 10 місяців тому +26

    even though it may comes from me playing pvz for like 3 hours, i feel like plants lack synergies, yeah you have the shield, producer and attack but they never interact with each other, even with gimmicky plants

    • @karoltyburski1717
      @karoltyburski1717 10 місяців тому +3

      True

    • @omegamad
      @omegamad 10 місяців тому +4

      vines surely

    • @ednr6242
      @ednr6242 10 місяців тому +7

      I think the only ones that do interact with each other is torchwood and Dandelion+blover

    • @deemaske9143
      @deemaske9143 10 місяців тому +2

      @@ednr6242 thanks for reminding me of these two, sad that only these two works

    • @NessMotherBound
      @NessMotherBound 10 місяців тому +2

      ​​@@deemaske9143Lightning Reed and Maybee also have a special interaction
      And of course Torchwood and peas

  • @alonelyqilin4613
    @alonelyqilin4613 10 місяців тому +61

    btw congrats on beating that one Garg spam level Creeps^^ I didn't get a chance to say in stream ;-;
    Edit: welp, that ending hit hard, definitely agree that gimmicks (in any video game in general) don't have to be absurdly strong or optimal, they can exist as simply alternative options that shake up the core gameplay because playing with the same set-up over and over again tends to feel unexciting in a certain point in time (personally), anyways, banger video as always^^

  • @MuyoYT
    @MuyoYT 10 місяців тому +3

    the hollow knight music goes so hard 🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @GenericGMR
    @GenericGMR 10 місяців тому +7

    Since it doesn’t seem like most people picked up on it or haven’t said anything about it, I’m liking the changes to the editing style a ton!

  • @hi.5659
    @hi.5659 10 місяців тому +6

    Poor Hypno Shroom, I love the little guy

  • @Topaz542
    @Topaz542 10 місяців тому +2

    I was waiting for a Bungus to show up in that intro and somehow segue into Hypnoshroom lmao

    • @Creeps20
      @Creeps20  10 місяців тому +2

      funnily enough in the next area i got 2 printers for that basically side by side my luck in that run was awful

    • @Topaz542
      @Topaz542 9 місяців тому

      @@Creeps20 we've all had runs like that. I can't even begin to describe the shit luck I had on my e8 climb for engi

  • @therjschannel904
    @therjschannel904 10 місяців тому +1

    It’s like any card game ever. You can put whatever you want card in your deck (aside from banlist cards) and you just get to play around with what you like

  • @The_Shimp
    @The_Shimp 7 місяців тому +1

    I will not stand for this hypnoshroom slander
    Edit: nevermind, you sort of redeemed yourself in the end

  • @the_godbodor7026
    @the_godbodor7026 10 місяців тому +2

    Yay, a Witch Hazel mention! I am finally happy…

  • @E8144EOE
    @E8144EOE 10 місяців тому +4

    The worst part of hypnoshroom in PvZ 1 is that most of the strongest zombies don't eat and therefore can't be hypnotized, and most of the gimmick zombies have to be broken out of their gimmick before being hypnotized and are weak without their gimmick.

  • @omarmenjivar1563
    @omarmenjivar1563 10 місяців тому +3

    1:23 I thought you were showing the excavator zombie in that magnet shroom clip.
    Seriously let the magnet disarm it already.

  • @Grimm-Ghost
    @Grimm-Ghost 7 місяців тому +1

    Ah yes, my favorite pvz plant, the engineer from risk of rain 2

  • @shadowdoublade3333
    @shadowdoublade3333 10 місяців тому +3

    cool youtuber Creeps20 with the new video :0

  • @pedroivog.s.6870
    @pedroivog.s.6870 3 місяці тому +1

    4:10 Just thought of a way to fix Citron (possibly)
    The plasma shots start big with the full 800 damage. If they hit a basic, with 190 hp, the plasma kills the basic, losing 190 of its current damage, and becoming smaller. The plasma will keep on dealing just enough to kill every zombie it passes until its damage reaches 0 and the plasma ball stops. That would make it have value even without directly hitting a tanky target

  • @thatliquidthing1903
    @thatliquidthing1903 9 місяців тому +1

    In AltverZ Pyramid of Doom Hypno is quite good for early game, taking out Bucketheads and Pharaohs. Not only do they shred through basic zombies, but they also eat gravestones!

  • @limediamond3657
    @limediamond3657 10 місяців тому +1

    I’ve always loved Hypno-shroom for night levels in PVZ1, use it on disco zombies since their ability to form backup dancers can take out some easy zombies

  • @Swagpion
    @Swagpion 10 місяців тому +3

    In most games gimmicky things are bad. Except for the Eeleckros line in Pokemon, but it's less gimmicky and more doesn't take super-efecrive damage from standard macanics.

  • @dsenvy
    @dsenvy 8 місяців тому +2

    the most gimmick plant that people tend to ignore but is actually good, Meteor Flower.

  • @franilovic4139
    @franilovic4139 10 місяців тому +2

    When i unlocked spore shroom it was the main thing i used for quite a while. Even by itself its good for a 150 sun plant and it just keeps on replicating, those IFs dont hinder it at all. It WILL replicate quite easily and overall provides a lot extra dps. I considered it op.

  • @arifrulz
    @arifrulz 10 місяців тому +1

    This is why i tend to force myself with unique strategies that elimates attacking/stalling plants i used most of the time. it creates a challenge and creates a sort of trial and error experiment

  • @ClonedGamer001
    @ClonedGamer001 10 місяців тому +3

    It makes me sad that Magnet Shroom's gimmick is so underused compared to PvZ 1. In that game, it could disable the gimmick of a zombie, making it quite good at neutralizing what would otherwise be a particularly problematic zombie (Ladder, Pogo, etc.).
    In PvZ 2 it's only effects are removing armor and killing Punk Zombies (and I guess stunning the Zombot Dragon but that's one level). Which can also be done by just dealing a lot of damage, and dealing a lot of damage also helps you eliminate other zombies too, so Magnet Shroom serves no purpose.
    Imagine if it actually worked on the thing that granted a zombie its gimmick. It would be a godsend in Neon Mixtape, dealing with Boombox, MC-ZomB, and Punk. It could counter Excavators (and maybe Parasols?) in Lost City. Quite a few Penny's Pursuit zombies would also be vulnerable. If you wanted to take this to the extreme, you could even have it screw with Far Future robots in some way, since mechanical things tend to not deal with magnets very well. Why is this not how it works? Make Magnet Shroom actually useful god damn it

  • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
    @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan 10 місяців тому +8

    I really like using Spore-shroom in Vanilla, just because it's both satisfying to get a huge amount of Spore-shrooms throughout a level, but then their family mint is super OP and just buffs Spore-Shrooms on top of that, making the Spore-Shrooms spore more shrooms

    • @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan
      @Mimiyan_or_Pikapikafan 4 місяці тому +1

      @levichicwown9760 I mean the busted mint poisoning everything on screen helps with those but other then that it's more a for fun kind of deal.
      Sorry if that came out rude wasn't trying to be

  • @dbfirebird8338
    @dbfirebird8338 9 місяців тому +1

    I think hypno shroom us preety good, actually. He can instakill any zombie you want (besides gargs/bosses) and stalls a few zombies with the zombie he just hypnotized. His plant food pretty much garuntees yours safety for an entire lane

  • @yaboyzonebros
    @yaboyzonebros 7 місяців тому +2

    He's pretty useful for football zombies in brutal mode ex+ (pvz1)

  • @royaldonut9064
    @royaldonut9064 10 місяців тому +1

    I wouldn’t mind see you play/discuss ror2
    Love that game

  • @OhCrapI_He
    @OhCrapI_He Місяць тому

    7:21 And that's why I'm buffing Aloe in PvZ Danmaku so it has plants in a 3x3 area around itself slowly regenerate HP, and the ability to manually heal every plant in that area for 1/4 Wall-nut HP with a 20-second cooldown (during which time a single zombie can deal damage equal to 1 Wall-nut HP, but let's not worry about that. Aloe has AoE healing now, and you only need 2 to heal a column of Walls)

  • @SamMoizan
    @SamMoizan 10 місяців тому

    Ok but why was the second part of the video so wholesome

  • @Deltexterity
    @Deltexterity 10 місяців тому

    everything before 1:07 gives me major "well that just happened" vibes

  • @lcajueiro
    @lcajueiro 10 місяців тому +2

    I really like spore-shroom
    It isnt too good but its really fun

  • @graceiouyce584
    @graceiouyce584 10 місяців тому +7

    Fellow ror2 player, may I recommend using artifacts? The one that makes enemies drop items is very good, and the other that allows you to choose your item is op.
    Btw for engineer try spamming bustling fungus.

    • @applebess
      @applebess 10 місяців тому +1

      bro hates challenge

    • @noxxity
      @noxxity 10 місяців тому +2

      @@applebess Let people play the game how they want to, its a single player game and not affecting you an any way.

    • @noxxity
      @noxxity 10 місяців тому +1

      Command, Swarm, and Sacrifice combo really well for a pretty easy run.

    • @Kyee124
      @Kyee124 10 місяців тому

      who the heck use bungus, just use wungus with walking turret for the funzies

    • @noxxity
      @noxxity 10 місяців тому

      @Kyee124 wungus doesn't affect the walking turrents last I checked

  • @Quilquala
    @Quilquala 10 місяців тому +3

    Gimmicks suck not inherently but because they don't have any targets, like magnet shroom is good in pvz1 because it has targets but in pvz2 it sucks due to a lack fo targets
    Think about it, how many zombies eat that you would want hypnotized, not many, in pvz1 its just football, and in pvz2 it is useful with plant food but otherwise it has no big target

  • @kaydenbell9142
    @kaydenbell9142 2 місяці тому

    Not giving the equipment drone at the end the tricorn is a crime in and of itself

  • @TimoDmon007
    @TimoDmon007 9 місяців тому

    At the end of the day, no matter how well made is the video, no matter how good are the arguments, the best moments of the vid will always be the ones with hollow knight OSTs

  • @Vladislav-cn1ql
    @Vladislav-cn1ql 10 місяців тому +5

    A few ideas for gimmicky plants to make them useful:
    Hypnoshoom - make zombie that ate it restore his health on full, and make him much stronger and more durable
    Citron - make it's attack to hit several zombies close to each other in the one row
    Garlic - just give it more health like in pvz 1, and maybe add a temporary slowdown to zombies after they bites it
    Spore shroom - your knockback idea is pretty neat, also make so that the spore shroom's duplicate instantly destroys the grave on the tile where it will spawn
    Aloe - make it more expensive, but speed up it's healing cooldown and give it the ability to heal protective plants at any distance by simply throwing it's drop on them
    Tomb tangle - I hate this plant and all the recent plants that have been added, so to hell with it
    Intensive carrot - make it to take significantly longer to recharge, but it will be guaranteed to revive the most expensive plant in your seed set and on any tile on the field

    • @JoseViktor4099
      @JoseViktor4099 10 місяців тому

      If you didn't know, PvZ2 Chinese has a far better aloe. Can even make a single zombie stall with one wallnut with It 3x3 range.
      But being fair, PvZ chinese plants are kind of broken. Plants like Ent are insane.

    • @Vladislav-cn1ql
      @Vladislav-cn1ql 10 місяців тому +1

      @@JoseViktor4099 I know about Chinese version and yes, these plants are broken as heck

  • @haydenhulk1239
    @haydenhulk1239 20 днів тому

    what is the coincidence of me playing a video in the background as i play risk of rain 2 then auto play was on and then it moves on to THAT start

  • @martonszentkiralyi2251
    @martonszentkiralyi2251 10 місяців тому +1

    I feel like it boils down to 2 things, how supportable they are, like how much value they gain from other plants around it, like a shield, slow or even the obliteration of a wave. And how much support they can provide.
    Base value×supporting value=raw strenght. So if a plant by itself is at its maximum potential, or has limited supporting then its niche but not bad, but still it leaves the rest of your greenery weaker

  • @xathuum232
    @xathuum232 10 місяців тому +1

    Man the risk of rain 2 gameplay made me think I clicked on the wrong video for a couple seconds

    • @mold7530
      @mold7530 10 місяців тому

      Lmao same, took a double take to see if I was watching Woolie

  • @emmaclouse6352
    @emmaclouse6352 10 місяців тому

    i will say, magnet shroom is fairly good in the disco world, he pulls the heads off the damn rockers

  • @orennikkusu2643
    @orennikkusu2643 10 місяців тому +1

    Imagine if hypno-shroom has an attack ability similar to fumeshroom with a 25% chance of hypnotizing zombies, whilst also hyptonizes any zombies that eats them.

  • @Maele0204
    @Maele0204 10 місяців тому +1

    Gimmicky plants aside, I'd kill to see a stream of you playing Risk of Rain 2, or even a video about the game. It has a lotnof tech and strategy you could go on for hours and hours talking about.

  • @suburito5370
    @suburito5370 10 місяців тому +1

    I really like garlic and spikeweed/rocks combo in pvz cuz it let's you plant marigolds at the other three lanes

  • @impbutnot3701
    @impbutnot3701 10 місяців тому

    The intro was great. Random gameplay is always fun to watch. Also gimmicks are cool just sucks when gimmicks are there for the sake of gimmicks i.e just every arena plant. I have no idea what half of them do and like it makes new plants less interesting tbh.

  • @sythrus
    @sythrus 10 місяців тому +1

    Hypnotizing an enemy is inherently strong, but hypno shroom is kinda self contradictory for where it wants to be placed, and it also cant get the target it most desperately wants to, the gargantuar.

  • @Prisna
    @Prisna 10 місяців тому

    BRO HIT US WITH THE GREENPATH THEME AND THOUGHT WE WOULDNT NOTICE

  • @bruhmomentgaming5270
    @bruhmomentgaming5270 10 місяців тому

    we now have background footage for background footage. this is revolutionary

  • @hahawatch606
    @hahawatch606 10 місяців тому +2

    I Was Here for the Stream

  • @Zlegotube
    @Zlegotube 5 місяців тому +1

    noooo hypno shroom my beloved (one of my 2 favorite plants)

  • @TheFallen092
    @TheFallen092 10 місяців тому +2

    Hypnoshroom is insanely op against tanky zombies so they wipe out the entire lane for u . I dont understand how it sucks exactly

    • @TheMistermastermario
      @TheMistermastermario 10 місяців тому +1

      Compared to Potato Mine and Squash, it costs more and won’t do as well against groups. Still, it does have moments where it shines, it’s just situational.

  • @magnesiumswift
    @magnesiumswift 6 днів тому

    They give you Spore Shrooms in the level Arcade zombies appear
    While the shrooms keep spamming on the tiles near Arcade Machine, Arcade Machine keeps pushing and crushing the new shrooms, make the shrooms useless

  • @thereal_duckster6416
    @thereal_duckster6416 Місяць тому

    This reminds me of gratz video where he says using giant skeleton is not good unless you know how to use it and if you did you were respected by the others

  • @squidtabo
    @squidtabo 4 місяці тому

    I would love a Creeps Risk of Rain 2 video

  • @FloridusMan
    @FloridusMan 10 місяців тому +1

    I feel like Spore Shroom would be way better if it could have some status element that can absolutely guarantee a zombie turning into it even if its not the plant to kill said zombie. It'd probably still be not very useful but at least it can make actual use in its gimmick as opposed to essentially being useless

  • @periodictable118
    @periodictable118 2 місяці тому +1

    At the end of the day, games are meant to be fun and so as long as these gimmicky plants are fun then they have more than served their purpose.

  • @MelonLuminus2845
    @MelonLuminus2845 10 місяців тому

    I 100% support the thinking of steering away from "The Meta" and try out new things as many as possible, cause you'll never if you don't ........ I call that "Trial and Error" or more excitingly: "Discovery" :)))
    Also Hypnotize an angry Newspaper is breathtakingly satisfying, especially in Arena ^_^

  • @peterpeladon
    @peterpeladon 8 місяців тому

    Starfruit in PvZ 1 is the quintessential gimmick plant. Very fun if you could get the ball rolling.

  • @jeal5022
    @jeal5022 10 місяців тому +1

    I only use it for Far Future because of the tanky zombies. Specifically the cone thing. Yeah, kinda niche.

  • @dragonex4723
    @dragonex4723 10 місяців тому +1

    I thought I accidentally clicked a Disputed Origin video for a second. Also engineer after not getting a bungus:

  • @shuaitailai1119
    @shuaitailai1119 9 місяців тому

    i love ror2 500 hours in and working on eclipse climb

  • @radRadiolarian
    @radRadiolarian Місяць тому

    hypno was one of my favorite ways to deal with football zombie in pvz1 lol

  • @elfrangofrito
    @elfrangofrito 10 місяців тому +1

    Creeps maining Engineer makes a lot of sense in hindsight

  • @Edgyteenager585
    @Edgyteenager585 10 місяців тому

    This is the most philosophical pzv2 video ever

  • @Koronofoxy
    @Koronofoxy 10 місяців тому

    Bro, stream just ended and new vid is here. Btw gw3 looks good.

  • @racker6081
    @racker6081 10 місяців тому

    adn that's why I like to have fun with all a game has to offer in terms of characters or plants or whatever in a game, it's just fun to me and fun is why I play games

  • @plantelo
    @plantelo 10 місяців тому

    This is the reason why I still play PvZ1 from time to time

  • @apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868
    @apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 10 місяців тому

    loved the RoR2 rep, I need to pick that game back up sometime

  • @marcelopaulo446
    @marcelopaulo446 7 місяців тому

    I've never noticed that red stinger was supposed to be a half-wall,I only use him as a cheaper repeater with the downside of needing to be planted in the back.

  • @pineappleonpizza028
    @pineappleonpizza028 10 місяців тому +5

    The main problem with hypno shroom is that it is way too expensive for it to be useful. Comparing it to other plants in the game like chilli bean, hypno shroom has an arguably worse effect and costs over 2x more

  • @fuchschrafter8512
    @fuchschrafter8512 3 місяці тому

    i really enjoyed to play with hypno shroom, by FAR my favorit plant. and its plantfood effect is really strong to and fun!

  • @jaredgovender6864
    @jaredgovender6864 6 місяців тому

    Insaniaquarium background music is peak

  • @LeoBezan
    @LeoBezan 10 місяців тому

    I was confused when the video started with Risk of Rain 2 gameplay 😆

  • @maxzhao8331
    @maxzhao8331 8 місяців тому

    good breakdown

  • @dangerousdpad9079
    @dangerousdpad9079 10 місяців тому

    HOLY SHIT FINAL STATION MUSIC!!!

  • @PeChips
    @PeChips 10 місяців тому

    I actually use intensive carrot as a substitute to the imitater when using gold bloom