I DESTROYED my VW UP! - Turbo GTI Conversion EP7
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- We set ourselves on a mission to create the worlds first GTI Swapped Volkswagen UP! As it turns out, one small mistake can create a disaster.
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Literally just bought one, cheers boys! If it doesn't light up with the power of friendship, I'll be really disappointed.
Does it come with a chopped head bandana?
Just purchased Cheryl's box. If we all drop $$ to see what's inside her box, maybe the boys can get the ecu they need 😂
I got one for Christmas, it’s well worth it for any MCM fans
Get yourself a Cheryl Mystery Box mate. You never know. It may have a ECU in it ...
Goes to show how crap modern VW economics are
If you're stuck, send me the ECU in NZ and I'll fix it. But if you lift the board, you'll see heaps of legs going from the board to the connectors. You'll have vaporised one of the earth pins. I can guarantee the actual ECU itself is fine.
this seems logical to me.
Someone further up with 1.4k upvotes says the exact same thing as you. So I assume they'll get the info eventually.
@@andersjjensenI can't see that comment anymore
Seems like a failure on VW's part. Aren't ECUs normally covered in a non-conductive polymer?
Nah, the PCB might have conformal coating, but the metal case is tied to ground (bat -) to protect from emi and RFI :)@@nunyabizness9885
I have seen this before also, take the ECU fully out of the casing and you will see some of the pins between the board and the connector will have burned out, resolder and connect them and it will come back to life.
I agree, it was hard to tell from the angle, but it didn't look properly cooked. If the surge hit ROM it's probably a different story.
Another commenter said the same thing! Must have some truth to it.
100% , i do tuning and this have happend me aswell.
Soldered it and all was good.
So i hope they see comments about it.
You'll figure it out. It's not dead. We are sending positive vibes.
Smash the like button ❤
Those last minutes hit me right in the feels man… so many months into this project and when it’s moments away from finished, you start to hear Desert Rose Band playing “One step forward” ambient in the background..
The goofy, spritely energy the whole episode as the project is almost wrappe up and then, BAM! ECU zapped.
Yeah, it's a weird struggle, AUS and UK are both RH drive, why he didn't just ship a cheap on from the UK and do minimum mods!?
Some weird thing about 'purity' I guess. After making such a big deal about JDM for decades, dumps on a UKDM car so hard that he would rather break an Aussie one coping it. [ head-scratch ]
That’s a heavy ending… I’m sorry guys. I diagnosed a dead engine for a family member last week, and I feel 10x worse for you guys. I wouldn’t wish a dead ECU on anyone.
It's been said nearly 1,000 times in the comments already, but as others have said, I would REALLY consider having that ECU inspected by someone familiar with microcircuit repairs. Mobile phone is the first thing that comes to mind. There was a commenter below in NZ who said to send it to him, he seemed confident he could fix it.
As other's I've fried an ECU once doing basically the same thing. It was on an S13. It wasn't the positive battery terminal, but a positive wire that was in the footwell area. I took the ECU apart and there were some pins and components that were obviously damaged on the board. I had another bad ECU that I robbed parts off of. I got it all soldered back up and it worked perfectly fine. Admittedly, this was an early 90's ECU with discrete, through-mount components, so repair is a lot easier, but I'd be willing to bet there's plenty of people on the planet who can fix what you have. That would resolve any of the reprogramming issues you might have with a replacement.
It's at least worth the try!
There are multiple chips involved that are coded and each have many many dozens of SMC contacts. Anything on the ground plane could be damaged and they have to be replaced, then flashed, in a way that preserves the match with the key barrel etc.. it's possible but very hard.
How we say in Germany: „Manchmal verliert man,und manchmal gewinnen die anderen.“ I really feel with you and hope you donˋt lose faith and get it UP and running some day!
As an IT guy, i have had many a person phone me and tell me after they opened their PC to clean it, it no longer works. Being the barer of the bad news isn't a great feeling. However, helping them get the pc fixed and hearing their joy once it is fixed is a good feeling. I have no doubts that you guys will get the car UP and going once more.
Wait why exactly did it not work after cleaning?
@@GOLD_FEVER a few reasons, many times static, most times is just lack of caring.
I have no helpful info to add but im so happy to see so many people in the comments trying to help ❤
3:20 lol thanks for the laugh boys. It’s been a tough long week and that was such a good laugh 😂
If the case touched the positive battery terminal while the ECU was plugged in, it's quite likely the ground traces that got blown out, as the current path would be battery +12v -> case -> circuit board ground -> power connector -> battery -ve. I guess it depends on how long it was connected as to how much damage was done. I don't imagine it's the kind of path that would usually be fused, since fuses are usually used to protect for faults where the board is drawing more current than usual from the +12v line, not from the case -> ground. If the above is correct, then an issue you'll be up against is that a lot of (most?) modern circuit boards are multi-layer and will likely have one of the inner planes dedicated to ground, with vias running through the board to get to the outer traces and out to the ground pins, so some of the damage may not even be visible from the outer layers. Chances are you've blown out some vias and lord-knows how many traces with the hundreds (thousands) of amps that a car battery can supply.. I really feel for you, it's super crap to have such a huge setback at the last minute like that. I really hope I'm wrong and it's something simple and easily fixable.
That's what I was thinking but I would add that ECUs control the ignition coils and injectors etc. via ground switching so it's even possible that the ECU traces were beefy enough to handle the current and it's actually melted some ground wires in the harness somewhere.
in this case theres 2 or 3 ground pins from the edge connector which act as "fuses". curent flows from the case back to the battery Negative through those pins. it has no reason to go anywhere else on the board.
in this case theres 2 or 3 ground pins from the edge connector which act as "fuses". curent flows from the case back to the battery Negative through those pins. it has no reason to go anywhere else on the board.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimieiI really hope that's the case, it would be amazing if it's easily fixable!
Take the circuit board out of the casing and sometimes the pins between the circuit board and the connectors get fried. Usually a re solder gets the connection back and it may just sort the issue. I’ve seen it happen to 1 and that ended up being the source. Was very similar symptom wise to what you shown.
Man I felt that in my soul sorry that happened to you Blair but you got this man it’s just going to make that first drive all the better to know how challenging it was to get there. The world saves it hardest car builds for its best car UA-cam channel hosts you got this man!! Push it UP 💪
Sorry to hear about the current state of the up. Loved watching some fresh content. Clearly it's been outrageously expensive.. waiting patiently for more videos.
Man Moog, I feel for you. I have a long history with Volkswagens myself, going back to the 70's. That's what they do to you. They can be so good, but sometimes they just let you down. In my family we joked they had gremlins messing with the electronics. As a fellow VAG lover, my heart goes out to you. Hang in there.
What an emotional roller coaster boys. In the beginning you had me busting my gut laughing and then pretty much tearing up at the end.
With all the time and energy you put into this, I know it will work out.
Thanks guys, I was thinking about doing this conversion to my 2013 Seat Mii as it's now nearly 250,000 miles. You've convinced me it's a very bad idea. Big up
The UK Horn killed me. The accuracy 🤌
Such a rollercoaster of emotions. Proper laugh out loud moments through the episode, then to be hit with the sucker punch at the end. Really hope it can be sort it quickly and cheaply.
That's so gutting! I feel your pain. I've messed up on big projects as well.
Moog I'm gutted for you.
Keep going and when it's done it'll taste even sweeter ❤ Stay strong lad!
Loving this channel. I have binged a ton of these playlists watching a ton of car builds. And due to this episode I now have cheryls big mystery box on the way to Canada. You guys are amazing.
Thank you lads for being so authentic, and sharing your highs and lows - from here, the only way is Up!
Gutted for you guys ! All the time and hard work gone into the car for this to happen...
Hope you find a solution and bounce back from this setback !
im so sorry for the ECU issue , i hope you guys find a way to sort out the ECU , you guys have put lots of effort to get this project , i have been following you guys from the very begining , wish you guys all the luck ,
Dang. Keep going with the project. We will keep watching.
Man, I can feel the heartbreak😢 you get knocked down but you get UP! Again!
Oh boy, the look on Moog at 13:47, just one thing after another. Have fried a GPU but I can't imagine getting so close, but I have no doubt you'll get there👌
The disappointment is palpable, I’m sure many people on here really know that feeling Moog. On one hand as a fan it’s good to see the feeling you have for your projects. On the other, sorry an accident has set you back (again) I have no doubt you’ll sort it 👍
I've been building PC's since 200MHz was so fast that you'd never need anything else.
I *know* that feeling Moog. I *Felt* that, It sucks man, but the only way to go now is to keep going. Take the lesson that you can, and keep going forwards.
It's really sorry to see, but you've got this.
Keep your chins up, life has done this to myself and others. I feel your pain but you will succeed, you have a lot of will and drive that it will work out in the end! Cheers
Oh man... That really was a big bummer Moog! You can see the disappointment and frustration. I hope it works out ok in the end, and I really do think you will be so happy when the car is done!
3.19 had me in stitches and the look on moog's face was priceless 🤣🤣🤣
Heartbreaking to see all that work come to a grinding halt, I feel the same way with my FXT at the moment. Just got the new rack and pinion installed and was driving it for the first time when the car went into full freak out mode and stopped worked before I got home. 8 new CEL lights and now the car cranks but won't start. The joys of a project car...
Yeah that's bloody heart wrenching.
We often only emotionally budget for so much, so when things take more than we're prepared for it can definitely take it's toll.
All is not lost, keep it up guys!
Greetings from Austria
Tough one, to take after all the dramas with the build!!!! KEEP PRESSING On MCM Crew!!! This nugget will get going!!
Dude I feel you, I did this last October to my JDM import 07 Forester Sti, after spending £15k on it (which I had to borrow 5k just to buy it with the plan to sell my99 sf5 turbo afterwards) then spending another 4-5k on mods I blew my ecu wiring an aftermarket alarm/immobiliser into it, it’s sat on my driveway still, can’t afford to repair it until I sell the Sf5 but can’t leave myself without a car as I work 6 days a week as it is. Cars are Pain (Donut reference)
Marty's scope joke was the best mcm moment in years. Like right up there with the first foot gag. Well done, fellas.
Aw man, if that isn't the definition of working on a car. Thinking it's almost done and then something catastrophic comes up and stops you in your tracks. But we all know you guys didn't come this far in your endeavors by giving up. The up will get up and boog! Even if another hurdle has been added. Never give up, never surrender!
The UP has been fighting the GTI conversion all the way. Cant wait to see it running. Makes great content.
Guys I’ve just been talking to Josh at the Automotive Clinic in Melbourne and he’s just sent you an email. He’s the man for the job.
Gutted. Keep going - it will be worth it - they're brilliant cars.
The sheer disappointment on Moog’s face is something we’ve all felt once upon a time building a car or during our lives in another aspect. It can’t be replicated for faked and I honestly thought he was about to cry. I wouldn’t have blamed him if he did.
Keep going guys!
13:30 to the end of the video, moog fighting back the tears, I feel that 😭😭😭
That is really sad. I hope that You will be able to fix it. Love the build. I have also a non turbo MPI Up and love it. Maybe some day I will buy a GTI version. Can’t afford a conversion. But love the things You are doing. Keep Up! the good work.
That genuine look of concern at 13:30 broke my heart
This episode feels aptly timed, as life throws curveballs at us with plenty of ups and downs.
I’m hoping someone in our universe here can help sort out a new ECU- In any case I’m sure something extra fun is going to come of it!
I’d just ordered a Cheryl’s box with the last episode airing you guys are syncing it right up!
Those missing parts went....
IN THE BIN!!
Really sorry to hear this. I personally own a Up with the same spec (60ps). It's a great car. I was, still am excited to see you take the same model of the car I daily drive to the next level. Hopefully you Up will be up and running very soon. Good Luck!
Hearing "Game On" in this episode after so much time was a dopamine explosion, thank you.
I remember spending hours doing the timing belt and pulleys on my car having to pull the engine half way out, and after finishing and starting it realizing that a little metal washer had fallen into the bottom part of the belt without me noticing it, getting pulled into the timing gears and skipping a few too many teeth, until the valves and the pistons had a love affair. It was dark, cold, and I had spent the last 10 hours wrenching on this car, that had just died in front of my eyes in no more than 3 seconds.
It´s all part of it and this video reminded me of that day. After about a month of not wanting to know anything about the car, I went in the garage and starting wrenching again. And so the never ending cycle of DIY amateur mechanics wannabes starts all over again.
That's hard to watch. Sorry about the problems, but I'm confident that you will be able to get it sorted. Best wishes, hope your luck turns around on this project.
Aah man right in the feels at the end there.
i feel ya moog, i just had one of those days today. Power outage, server in the office died who knows why, my laptop hinge decided to give up and worse im going on vacation in 2 days. So i took a hard look at myself, said a few prayers, swear abit and started working. Thank God everything felt into place and i solved one problem at a time. Got a new server on the dot, got it up and running all by 9.30pm. Laptop hinge can wait till i come back and now im back home waiting for my flight in two days.
so gutted guys. All that work and one little moment at the final stage and it's all comes to a stop.. I feel for you guys. Keep positive, soon with a new ECU you will both be flying around the track with a smile on your faces 👍
8:18 Prophetic words...
Bummer, it sucks but with all your great triumphs over the years you have to take a loss once in a while, keep up the great work guys
Glad you are surrounded by amazing people to lift you UP when everything goes sideways
Heart breaking. Good luck getting it fixed Moog. 🤞✌
What a spin out. 1 month ago I slid off the road into a Paperbark tree in torrential rain in my manual Forester XTP and ended up flooding it (alcolock distraction exiting a roundabout) drained water from sump and exhaust and drove it home 3 days later. But 6 days ago I told the alcolock company I'm disconnecting my battery for at least 5 days to remove my seats and carpet to continue drying it out, put it back together 2 days ago now it doesn't crank or run, the ECU got corrosion affected. Whilst watching this episode I thought, crap, I think I too have an ECU problem. I even bought an "in the bin sticker" only a few days prior but never got around to sticking it on my black beast but it would've been very fitting 😮😅. Oh well, maybe inox and a clean will fix it 🤞
Your a very wise and good friend Marty. With the patience of Job!!!
You can get a second hand ecu from the same year and model of up gti but, you would need the key, key barrel, instrument cluster/clocks that came with the car you buy the ecu from. This then should mean no coding required.
I'm no professional though but I had an audi a4 that had same problem, ecu got water ingress and this is what I did to resolve as my original ecu wasn't able to be repaired.
Hopefully there is an easier option for you. Love the series been subscribed for nearly 10 years. Thanks for the great content.
UK
Thats rough. hang in there boys. best of luck
dude! after all the work...I feel for you man
Lads - gutted for you- truly - I’ve been watching this from the UK - my Wife has the Seat Mii FR which is a 75hp Up with all the toys, lowered springs , 16in diamond cut wheels and the most fun car we have had since my MK1 golf GTI! I had wondered whether the Seat Ibiza 1 litre turbo would drop in however after watching this series it’s staying with its current engine! For a company that’s as modular as things get,(VW) can’t believe how much diifference there is between the up GTI and the 1 litre. Cannot wait to see how this ends.
You guys are the best. This UP will run again one way orr another
3:18 top moments 😂😂
I haven‘t checked up lately on your videos but, this video was an emotional roller coaster. Modding cars has truly become a workl of hackery. I wish the car space would become a bit more open source.
The laughing fit was awesome. 😂 great as always
what a friggin journey. Head on strong lads.
Recipe felt like a great touch, everyone loves a tasty snack . .wonder if I oreder another if Ill get a different recipe . . I shall SEE
Like a tonne of people here have said, it’s not irreparable. Most auto sparkies have access to someone who repairs them.
Also, the ECU is normally fairly standard, esp for VW. You simply download the firmware using the correct tool. Getting the correct tool is the hard part, but most dealers will have this. Best of luck, I’ve been enjoying this project because I’m my experience, it’s representative of how most projects go for me :)
You've come this far, you'll find a way, and I'll be watching. Better than anything else on the net or tv 😂
I've been here dudes. Was in a rush to boost my 260RS and swapped the cables. Blew a bunch of fuses and the Power FC for my RB26. Not only did I have to find another specific ECU, but my tuner had lost the tune file and I had to pay to have the car tuned all over again. Dumb, dumb slip up, learned my lesson the hard way.
I hope either before or after the camera hugs you got real man hugs.
A good man hugs is massively underrated.
It doesn't fix much... other than the way you look at the problem.
Oooooffff... Rough.
You'll get it figured out, you guys always do.
I can totally relate to your ECU problem. I was working on my BMW 535, dropped the ECU on the starter, set off the car alarm and arced a hole through the ECU case. Wouldn't run properly, and burned up a coil. Had to find a new (salvage) ECU online after trying to replace the chips I fried on the board.
$12 valve cover gasket turned into $650 ECU/cloning service.
You bastard Moog... I thought I was over it all but you made me catch "feelings" again with this one.
Nice, always good when VAG get's scraped
that was the most heartfelt "nope" if i've ever heard one lol. Miles is SO done XD. he doesnt wanna be the vag commander anymore hahaha
Lots of comments here with suggestions on how to fix it, I don't have anything like that - but just lots of positive vibes, this must have felt awful but it's not the end of the road for the car. You'll fix it, and look back later at this and laugh, and you'll never do it again! Chins Up! These things happen to the best of us.
3:15 is true omg
i was so confused that shit just turned on in my rental randomly a couple times... like when entering a roundabout it just straight up yells at me that im crashing
fkkin electronics drove me nuts, the lane correction almost drove me into a construction site as well until i finally found the button to shut it off.
also automatic braking when it read speed signs for parallel roads and just jams in the breaks while on the middle of the autobahn
Aww mate. I feel so sorry for you, good to see you got the hugs you need.
Actually I thought the answer to the last question was: Drink!
But yours works as well.
I did something similar when doing a sr20 swap into my navara, back in 2002. Before the internet had all the answers. Anyway, ALL the magic smoke came out of the ecu. So, I know the feeling. Gutted for you.
5:43 F*ckin buckled 😂🤣
Really sorry to see this you worked so hard. But hopefully someone in this crazy world that watches just maybe they will find one. Good luck. Hope it all works out
I did this once to a MK7 Golf R...early models had part of the ECU exposed right next to the positive battery terminal. Swung my wrench a little too far and popped the ECU. So I feel your pain on this one.
That "ohhhh man" hit me in the chest
That's gut wrenching boys. You will get this done.
Keep it going guys, you will sort this small issue.
The ecu case is normally "loosely" connected to 0v (vbat negative) in order to provide a common mode return path for AC parasitic currents, that would otherwise generate stray A/C voltages and result in excessive EMC emissions from the ecu. Touching the case to the positive terminal of the battery has most likely shorted this loose coupling shut. The "loose" coupling is actually just some capacitance and some resistance, which may be distributed across multiple physical components on the pcb. However, that damage should be pretty obvious, and if you just remove those components completely, the ecu will likely work. Yes it won't meet EMC limits, but i don't think that's too much of a worry on your particular car.
I feel your pain MOOG! I think the ECU in my B6 Audi A4 just did the same shit. It sat for months, fixed a few things, got it running and it died on the test drive. Now I'm saving for an aftermarket upgraded one
Dont despair, this is what make channels like this! This might be your big break Moog! UA-cam loves this kinda stuff!
You guys are going places, things can only go UP from here!
Could still be a fuse somewhere somehow. Might be worth looking in deeper. If it is the ecu, I wish you the best of luck finding it. Don't give UP!
Right at the last moment, Man that sucks. Hopefully you can get it sorted in the future.
Had the same issue when welding was done improperly. Terminals between the ECM plug and the board melted. If it's just the case ground circuit that's been friend, which is likely, a little sweaty soldering could fix it.
Am so gutted for you guys ❤
Oh we had an Amorok in at work, the fan would come on at full speed... it had many other issues like the high stop light staying on, and we found the problem there was the plug on to the computer had corroded pins etc, and we had to change the computer which another shop spent 3 weeks trying to get sorted, but ended up having to disable the securtiy system to get it to work. and change a few of the connections in the plug (not my favourite thing in the world to do) but then we changed out the temp sensors because the computer was saying they were faulty... and the rear one decided it was going to fry itself straight away and was reading 147 degrees C before the engine had even been started. the fan problem was still there. so we struggled to get a new new one in there for a while, and spent about 5 hours trying to beled the cooling system, which eventually became pulling the restictors out of the smaller bleed lines and unblocking them... just waiting now to see what the next problem is with the one vehicle that we work on the most often... the VW! I jusy can't understand why anyone would want to have a car in the garage more often than on the road! especially when there is a 4 week wait for all the parts that have to come from germany!
That was so exciting. That is the best soap opera I’ve ever seen.