Peter, I agree with you 100%. When the “show” becomes more important than the race, I think it's time to rethink the whole venue. Especially when the safety of the drivers is not given top priority. ALL street circuits compromise safety in one way or another. That's the nature of the beast, and for me, that is unacceptable.
Sadly, the majority of sports worldwide have become this way. The sports themselves have no importance compared to the money and business side. There isn't much soul in sports today.
I don't. I am not a Merc or Toto fan at all but he's right. Big screwups happen with new events. This was an F up. But fix it and move on. Why latch onto it and dwell on it
Totally agree with Max and Peter..F1 has gone the wrong path trying to entice new fans who don't care about the actual sport but the glamour and drama associated with it. F1 is not promoting Motorsports in any way, it's promoting the f1 brand and increasing it's value for the stakeholders.
If Max really cared about F1's integrity he should have returned the trophy gifted to him by the FIA in Abu Dhabi 2021. Once him and Horner remained quiet about that farce, they lost all credibility.
@@Euclides287Cry on baby! You would return a extra income to your a big company because the company made a mistake and you did nothing wrong and the law is on your side? Max did what he was supposed to do and that's what he did winning the race! Did Lewis give his title back after Piquet jr. deliberately crashed his car? No because it wasn't his fault! Exactly!😮
I'm a vegas local and a lifelong f1 fan. My wife and I scraped up our only $500 and bought tickets to practice for me and my father.. This was handled so horribly and was such a terrible experience. We were there from 7:00pm until 1:30am when they kicked us out. It was awful, no communication, just all around bad experience. I spent $500 and my father gets less than 4 hours of sleep before he wakes up for cancer treatment after seeing almost zero f1 running
I was watching it live here from the Netherlands as Ted Kravitz was watching you guys on the grandstands ( the last 50ish hardcore fans who had endured the lengthy wait) getting kicked out, and he got seriously emotional because of it, in the sense that he truly felt so bad that the true F1 fans ( not the whole show thirsty mob ) could not be allowed to witness that for what they had payed for whilst sitting through the bore and drag of the entire outlet incident debacle in the wee hours of dawn, to be able to watch the 2nd practice session. It reminded me of when i was at Spa in 2021, as we stood in the rain from 5am till 8pm for the love of F1 with hope it would eventually provide us with a race, It didn't and F1 didn't do anything to compensate us true fans, were sorry, that was it.. In your situation i can only imagine how painful it must have been with your father in the predicament he currently finds himself in, Much respect to you, and your father and i wish you both all the best and a quick and steady recovery for your dad. Much love from the Netherlands.
What would Toto have said if it was Lewis or George who ran over the manhole? You would be able to hear him slam his headphones into his desk from the other side of the Strip. Seems like very selective nonchalance.
If Lewis had hit that, he would have been losing his mind. Would also (rightfully) be pissed at F1 for handing his driver a 10 place penalty for it. 9 out of the 10 teams were okay with no penalty for Sainz btw. Guess who wasn't the TP starts with T and ends with an O
Was waiting for this ... I have said it on another platform. My problem is not so much Vegas but the contradiction in claiming it's about growing the sport yet when you look at the entire process so far, very little has to do with actual F1. Take for example the opening, with all those screens the least they could have done is show 2-3 mins expose on F1, the highlights, historicals, the quickest pitstops, overtakes just to show the new viewers what F1 is about, instead they spent 30mins on musicians and only showed the drivers who are supposed to be the main acts for a few seconds like they are just props to support their concert. That is not pro F1. If they wanted to do this maybe they should have looked at world cups and how they do openings. Also the issue of the drainage, true it is not new, and perhaps in my view is precisely why they should have learnt from previous incidents to ensure it doesn't happen here.... But I guess lessons to be learnt. So far I can't agree more with Max... It's such a fuss for show and 1% actual racing.
Agreed...Liberty Media has destroyed F1 with all the wokeness, politics and razzmatazz instead of being focused on the racing. Toto's reaction to the drain cover shows he is more interested in his wallet than safety!
@@thethrawnscotsman5260 the irony is that while they were prepared to sideline F1 for the show, in fp2 they are having it without the fans, it's about actual drivers and their machines
F1 is a show and always has been! This is a rich man’s sport and entertainment for the masses! Vegas is a spectacle …. Have you ever been … it’s alllll about exposure and not this year … not the year after but years to come …. They will get it right! You could say Monaco …. Is a pure f1 circuit but it’s the worst race on the calendar bar none! Drivers need to get out of their own arses and help be on the same trajectory as the sport ! Just because they feel uncomfortable doing some PR Lewis as always led the way about reducing his commitment to that … but some times you’ve got to!
The worst thing is that they banned all the fans for FP2 from the stands and fanzones. And I've read they didn't even apologize to the fans for that. What a disgrace.
F1 is nothing more than a street hooker taking advantage of a situation. Vegas is NOT your private property to showcase you event. No matter how many LIES you tell nobody believes you.
Started being an F1 fan back when Peter was starting. Though I left it during the early 80s to the 2000s (when I caught a glimpse of Graham Hill's helmet while channel surfing past a race and stopped to see who had the nerve and discovered his son racing and started following it again.)
I agree with Max, it makes me cringe watching the drivers take part in these childish painting challenges etc over the race weekends, I enjoy the more private Q&A’s with fan questions, I have to say the more personal videos on some of the driver’s personal channels with them on camera in the buildup to the races have been an excellent way to get to know them, but I feel embarrassed by the humiliation they’ve put through these last few seasons. I actually watch less of the TV coverage now than back then, I tend to watch highlights on UA-cam then tune in for Martins grid walk and the race.
Max even had a clause put in his contract that he only does max 1 marketing event per race weekend; he is definitely 0 show & BS and 100% about racing.
Malaysia, Germany, France, Turkey should be back on the calendar This season ended for me in Brazil, as it should have done. These last two are just non-championship events.
It's just getting worse. fp2 at 02:30 local time. The people who still were waiting on the grand stand were kindly requested to get the fuck out while having paid a way to expensive ticket. You can't do that!!! Also the people around the track who live there and are trying to sleep are wide awake in their beds cause there are F1 cars running down the streets in front of empty stands in the middle of the night. This is embarassing for F1. Max is completely right: it's all about the money and this has nothing to do with F1. Update: Sainz gets a 10 place grid penalty cause a manhole destroyed his car. F1 is going the wrong way is many ways. Ferrari should never accept this, come on!!
Of course Sainz gets a grid penalty. He's using an engine and PU outside the pool. Rules are rules, and you must be praising everything to do with the Las Vegas GP, which is the crown jewel of F1 now (according to corporate cocksucker Toto Wolf).
Watch out, sky is going to apologize for you, because you said fuck.😂😂😂😂 But yes, it was a disaster. You payed for it, you wait and you are kicked out and not allowed to watch.
The response from Toto was appalling, that heavy chunk of steel could have been lethal for a car behind, he's an absolute twit and this was unacceptable!!!
of course toto has a bad take once again. that man got handed the keys for a winning team by ross brawn and as soon as his gravy train came to a stop he has done nothing but collecting L after L. bad takes, bad decisions, just a grade A twat all around. hope he retires soon.
I did have to applaud Fred for saying "Come on you would feel the same if it happened to you." I don't get this over-corporatisation in F1 to always say the right thing and try to cloak any criticisms in business lingo. If it's a shitshow, then say so.
@@Daxboy16That's not what he said at all. He said that in the scheme of things it was a setback that they would fix, as they did in Monaco and all the other times it's happened. He was reacting to a ludicrous question from a journalist who said that it was a "black eye" punch against F1. It's serious and will be fixed.
Of course Toto was dismissive of such a minor incident. Toto takes care of Toto, and clearly stands to profit heavily from the financial successes of F1. Sure he has a point that so many worked so hard to make this event happen, however this incident could’ve been disastrous and should not be diminished.
@@Wolffview It's the typical contemporary corporate bullshit mentality: you cannot criticize anything, that's toxic. The only ppl that can criticizing is when C-level is self-serving criticizing themselves by calling for "accountability" of everyone (but actually not themselves).
I think it's very unhealthy for Toto to have such a share in projects like this. Just like his wife doing F1 Academy, she'll rarely speak a critical note about it. They are too invested.
Max is reaching that level now where he has the voice to speak up on issues. And he is becoming the voice of racing. I really loke what he says on this. Lewis has a different voice. Note Lewis spoke up on the issues Vegas is having for locals and saying they should not be inconvenience like they are. I appreciate both voices for what they are saying.
Max talks about the event which is what this is. LH uses the event to talks about social justice which has different viewpoints often more nuanced than the simple heart string tug.
Max is Dutch, he is straight up, direct and in your face with his opinion and probably really does not care if you disagree. And he should be, especially when he is probably well aware his opinion is just accurate and correct in this case. HE is a driver, not a showman (first) interested in image and being "cool" like Hamilton is.
Mate I'm a Super huge Max fan and agree 100% with him, but don't make it out as if only Dutch people tell it like it is, the main reason is because he is confidant in his own ability as a person and not afraid to give his opinion. Its an attribute found in many successful people and also some F1 drivers of the past. Michael Schumacher, Kimi Räikkönen and Ayrton Senna all had the same attitude and they sure as hell weren't Dutch 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@blazemonger1 Your opening words literary was "MAX IS DUTCH !!" and then naming all the attributes, as if that's the reason why he is like that. Just for background I've been married to a wonderful Dutch woman for 25 years.
@@Switll72 So, "It's a Dollar, you can buy stuff with it" to you means I'm saying you can't buy stuff with anything but Dollars? I really have no idea how you ended up with what you think I said. It's OK though, even when you are incorrect in your interpretation of what I said
@@blazemonger1 Mate super happy that your a proud Dutchman but trying to imply that's what made Max what he is just starts to get annoying. Everybody that can read knows that was your point you tried to make. Why did you bring his Nationality into this if you didn't ?? Praising Max for his no bullshit attitude would have been great and to the point, but no you had to starts with "Max is Dutch !!"
I don't always agree with Max, but on this he is 100% right. More attention should have been paid to the condition of the track surface and the track temperatures, rather than the OTT promotional pre-show. I like the idea of a Nurgburgring replica, that would have been great and a much better option than yet another street circuit.
The team that organized the "show" is separate from the team that takes care of the track. Once the race route was decided, it's unlikely the pre-race show plans affected track construction and certainly did not decide on the drain covers. To blame construction issues on the promotional activities is crazy.
Gosh your so right about that insane "growth" model every aspect of sport and society at large has been plugged into. Plus it always leads to paying more for less (like in gaming, football etc etc).
Thanks for this very profound analysis - cannot agree more. I'm definitely no Max-Fan, but the man did rise in my appreciation as he has the courage to express what he thinks against what (nearly) all others say (not only on this topic, also about sprints for example) and probably what his bosses and F1 would like him to say. That Carlos is penalysed under these circumstances is absolutely ridiculous and unsporty behaviour. Cheers from Austria, M.
I agree. Not a fan of the shit show of F1 Las Vegas. The two combine to epitomise what is wrong in our sport and our lives. Good wholesome racing where people can afford to watch is what they should be aiming for.
I'm one that likes Monaco but I agree that the worst thing about F1 is that they're always trying to replicate Monaco but with a different twist here and there. It's never going to work and the results speak for themselves that most of them are dire and artificial. I applaud Max for sticking to his guns on this - it's not easy when everyone expects you to tow the line about how it's all fantastic and the fuel really smells of roses. But he's Dutch and he's always going to be blunt about what he thinks. The manhole incident just....I don't know how many times the same mistakes keep happening - I've been thinking that they only pay lip service to safety these days as there's been a real decline in standards since Liberty took over. Oh well, we'll see how the rest of this race pans out.
I agree 100% with you Peter and as a 40+year F1 supporter I am sick of DTS fans and American involvement in the sport,surviving quiet well without it for 1/2a century,having a US GP is great but it should be done the F1 way not the American way
Hang on. Not all Americans are watching F1 because of DTS. I’m an American and have been a fan since Mario Andretti was racing. It was really difficult to watch then because there was very little coverage in the US. Keep in mind that not all American fans are “DTS fans”. Some of us are purists and hate what Liberty has done to our sport. I do hope that Max’ dominance has put off these “DTS Fans” and they move on. I live 90 minutes from Watkins Glen and would love that circuit to be upgraded for F1. There is only one US GP and that is in Austin. The other two are not really F1 races but rather circuses with few fans and only celebs who want to be seen. I’d rather go to Montreal or Austin.
@@scottwisner5831 I agree with you mate,I started as a small boy in Australia watching Mario and Allen Jones etc,I understand not all Americans are DTS fans and not all DTS fans are American either,plenty here to don’t worry about that,I just don’t see it bringing good to the sport,in fact the Aussie people that are DTS shit me as they think domination has never happened lol,I’m like it goes in cycles and as a huge Schumacher fan I even wanted a rival to beat him,the whole mess of the team bosses becoming stars was the end result of the big fiasco in 21 I wore a red bull jumper to the pub and got told off by a new fan until they realised it was a number 11 haha,people need to realise that we are watching history in Max ,like we(not them) watched in Lewis,Michael,Alian ,Senna and so on Sorry if I offended you as I should have wrote my words more carefully A sport I am so passionate about
@bernardmcmahon2383, it’s all good. I’m sure we’re in agreement. I’ve also had those moments when I catch some crap for wearing my RBR shirt in public. Call it the DTS Effect.
@@scottwisner5831 yeah I am sure we do,Max is the villain,Senna was similar in his views,as was Michael and I put Max in that class,maybe bias but I don’t put Lewis there,great driver like Mika but Max is like Schumacher in the Ferrari,unbeatable,but I see him retiring early from the political crap he cops,we get the sky TV version in Australia and the English press are so bad against Max,Ted Kravitts is like a bullied schoolboy,only sane one is Brundle and at least he knows what he is talking about
F1 is a class sport and should exude class, and the current direction is sadly quite the opposite and that draws similar public, that will boo on any occasion their limited brain capacity sees fit. I love how level headed and honest Max always is!
On the other hand, Max is gets a 50+ million dollar salary because of this show. Why do you think teams try so hard to get a 11th team on the grid. More means less money. Sorry, but F1 is a business. When F1 visits circuits like Zandvoort or Barcelona people complain that there is little overtaking. When we do visit street circuits where there a far more overtakes than on a regular circuit, people still complain... On of the major issues for Las Vegas it the time difference with Europe. Would they start the race on Sunday at 3PM, that would equal 11PM going over to Monday night. At the same time, a lot of events are happening in Las Vegas during the evening and night, so attendance for the less important F1 events like practice session will be impacted...
Watching the team principals (apart from fred ) and Tom Clarkson , tow the corporate Line and not criticise the shambles that was FP1 was a Disgrace and they should be ashamed!
Man-hole cover was already a problem in Baku couple years ago as well. Very strange they missed it indeed. Can't believe they didn't do what Peter suggests here that would've been awesome an amazing track and the glitter and glamor of vegas for the FIA people. Max is a legend as always.
@@TC-mt1zx I get what you’re saying but it’s in the desert. Not like they will have to get rid of trees or anything. They also build a huge football stadium there for the raiders couple years ago.
You're a lot more balanced on these issues than me (and you have the experience to back it up) and I agree. Less sometimes is more and it's not just a simple case of grow grow grow, expose expose expose. If you're an actor or TV personality first then I guess it's mostly fine but if your primary position is to be a racer in the vein of Senna, Fangio etc, this will grate terribly. Some very good points about the (often overlooked) issues of the very long (and mostly unprotected) straights. Thanks Peter. Lots to think about.
Somewhat weird that Max turns out to be the adult in the room. I thought your qualification of "childish" was spot on. But I always get that feeling when stuff gets "Americanised".
Toto showed he is more interested in his wallet than the safety. Shocking seeing Toto defend that. That could have been fatal and is not acceptable anywhere!
@@thethrawnscotsman5260 Toto is the ultimate corporate pos. The way these people act borders on sociopathy. No wonder his drivers are also effectively insufferable.
Very well put, Peter.. 👏Especially on the need for limitless growth. We need quality. F1 is becoming a fast food-business. And "No one in Europe is watches trainings this hour". Right. 🤨
A motor sport ‘Super track’ built in Las Vegas would ne the way forward to really anchor F1 in the USA. Las Vegas has the foot fall, the money and is always chasing the ‘next big thing’ I would love to go to vegas to do laps of a replica ‘Nurburgring’ Tourist enfarten, that would be amazing.
They did free practise at 3 AM local time. Absolute madness and police removed all public/crowd. NO one on the granstands anymore.. Is that what we want?
Well said Peter! I totally agree with all of that. As a long time Formula 1 fan, yesterday was just a farce, and embarrassing on so many levels. And as you rightly say... it's not as if man hole covers are an unexpected thing for a new street race?!?!?!? FFS.... And carlos getting a penalty for it is BEYOND insane!
From a guy who threw a hissy-fit over porpoising (his being the only team that couldn't tame it), his dismissive attitude to the manhole cover was completely unacceptable. Toto has been off the deep end for a long time now. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: once Lauda died and the momentum of his leadership dissipated, Toto has seemed lost at sea. He doesn't seem particularly good at adapting to not being at the front anymore, which isn't what you want when you've set your sights at being back there again soon. "If a car bottoms out and ends up in the wall, I'm coming after you." Indeed, Toto. Indeed.
Nice to see some honesty. The TV broadcaster is probably contractually obligated to tell us it is the greatest event ever but truth be told it should never have happened.
I totally agree with your idea of building the ultimate race track out in the desert....firstly, plenty of space, secondly, plenty of money/investors in the States, thirdly, it would be permanent and could host a variety of other motor sports. Great idea Pete.
My biggest fear with street circuits is if there is contact on high speed straights sending a car airborne and then it hitting one of the pedestrian bridges.
My first Grand Prix was at Kyalami. On that fateful day, right in front of me, the Tom Pryce accident happened. This was going down the main straight on a dedicated race circuit. This is not the only accident I have witnessed on that straight though, but the only one in F1. The worst race accident in history also occured on the main straight at the 1955 Le Mans race.
I wasn't there, but that accident (seen on TV) still sticks with me. It was one of the most terrible accidents i've ever seen. The way the involved people died, i hope if there is a heaven, they get a good spot.
@@Fastbikkel It is an image engraved on my mind and a sound I cannot unhear. I cannot say it haunts me, but both live rent free in my mind and remain "fresh" - that any accident in motorsport I witness, these images and sounds flood back - last episode, Grosjean.
Max is an old-school European. The show is for him only the game or the race itself. No pre-game show, halftime show or a party after the game/race. I like that ; )
I agree totally about street circuits. Time for purpose built tracks only. They would offer opportunities for other races during the season. As with Max, I'm interested in the race.
Thanks Peter, interesting to hear you. The hype, the so-called celebrities, the prices, the need for growth, it's the Americanization of F1 that we don't need.
I saw a little of the grand opening a few days ago and I hated it. Had zero to do with racing just music; like it was a music show. HORRIBLE. I agree 100% with Max. It really is over the top it has nothing to do with racing; and PW is correct they should have had a proper circuit out in the desert ; Las Vegas still would have been the focus and the hotels still would have benefited. Now 2 cars are destroyed, imagine if this happens during the race or quali?
USA has so many GREAT race tracks, like Watkins Glen, Road America, Laguna Seca,... And Liberty went to Las Vegas, and "forced" this stupid layout. And when all is said and done, now we have a man hole problem! What? What year is it?
Your idea of what they should have been done is spot on. As a long time American fan and someone that has been to Vegas many times. Knew this would be bad in many ways. I have been to NHRA and other auto events there and they are outside of the city. Never had an issue and don’t see why it had to be in the city. Hate the big show stuff too. F1 drivers have always been these skilled and brave drivers of these vehicles. Not showmen.
Sorry to say, but Peter Windsor and Max Verstappen are absolutely correct. In retrospect, F1 and Las Vegas were very, very lucky indeed that they didn't end up with an absolute catastrophe of a race. But none of that takes away from the fact that a street-circuit race F1 race in Las Vegas comes with massive costs. Not just the technically uninteresting circuit. But also the fact that the GP made life hell for local people for (at least) five days or so. I love Peter's idea of building an an ultimate F1 Super Circuit out in the desert. I'd pay good money to see F1 drivers and cars competing on a purpose-built track under those conditions. Much respect and appreciation for the channel.
WOW!!! For the first time in history, Peter doesn't 'fan-boy' over Hamilton, and takes Verstappen's side on an important issue! So he CAN actually be fair and objective, which is great because he's got everything else going for him. It's taken a year, but I've now subscribed, and even given you a Like. Thanks, Peter.
OP, Peter doesn’t fanboy Lewis Hamilton, he gives him his just analysis on his wonderful driving. The criticism can be over Peter losing the plot over AD 2021 for a while, but the further he gets away from 2021, the fewer holes he has in his analysis.
There is, at least one reason, I work my schedule around to never miss your vlogs, and the 'very ethical' points you are making in most of them, is that you are that exceptional reference source we have to never forget what greed is eating out of the legend that F1 built from 1950 on.
Had that been Lewis’s car that got damaged in FP1. Boy would he be screaming at the FiA. He was down right arrogant towards Fred in the press conference and going on a rant for no reason.
You guys might have overlooked the fact that Toto is not just another team principal in F1; he's also a part owner of Mercedes, holding a significant 33% stake. This means his interests in the Vegas race goes beyond just winning. Unlike the other team principals, Toto has a financial incentive in increasing the overall value of F1. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, he stands out as the only billionaire among the team principals. So though he is about winning he is definitely more about the money!
Dont know if Toto reacted the way he did when it would have been one of his drivers hitting that manhole cover... Also his "in Europe no one watches FP1" was a rediculous statement. Thanks for nothing Toto! By the way Peter did you saw Keanu Reeves docu about Brawn GP? I think it was a great docu, even with a few insights I didnt even knew (and I watch F1 since 1975!)
I wonder if it was Mercedes , lets take Hamilton ! , that got in contact with the man - hole , the world would have been to small for Wolff , I can fully understand that Ferrari was very upset
And what about all the fans that haven't seen a FP1 even though they paid huge amounts of money? Turns out that there's also a pedestrian bridge that has been closed because it wasn't safe. Toto should just shut up: if one of his cars was damaged this severely you wouldn't hear the end of it! Carlos could have been seriously injured.
Visually, I really didn't enjoy watching the race on tv. The lighting of all non-track areas was terrible, the paddock was in darkness & Las Vegas itself was badly lit & in huge swathes of pitch black instead of uplighting & illuminating all the Vegas features & backlighting The Strip to show it off to it's best.
absolutely could not possibly agree with you, and Max, any more, Peter. This is what the ideal F1 calendar should be: -Season opener in Melbourne -Sepang -Istanbul -Hockenheim -Monaco -Silverstone -Montreal -Austria -Magny Cours -Hungaroring -spa the last race before summer break again -monza (with gravel around the parabolica again) -suzuka -CotA -season closer in Sao Paulo MAYBE throw in Bahrain, Barcelona, or Imola too, but that's it; absolutely no more races than that... March to October, like how it used to be. If a bunch of Arab oil sheiks want to drop some coin to have races around their fake marinas, then we can have "wild card" slots on the calendar with circuits that rotate every few years. If they come even close to adopting a calendar like that (with no Miami, no Mexico City, no Qatar, no Abu Dhabi, etc), along with going back to smaller, more nimble cars again that aren't these understeering, lumbering behemoths that look like parade floats when they're going through slow corners, and show signs that they are phasing out DRS, then I will go back to being as head-over-heels in love of a die hard fan as I used to be when I first started watching. But until then, they're on thin ice with me personally, and I'm currently counting my days for how much longer I'm honestly going to keep dedicating time to this sport.... and I say this as somebody who hasn't missed a single race since 2005 (and watched most of the qualifying sessions as well), for whatever that's worth. First and foremost priority before any of that other stuff though is completely scrapping these silly SpRiNt WeEkEnD sideshows... ugh. If they make those changes, then I seriously couldn't care less about anything else going on. They could still have celebrities I don't care about taking up screen time, keep the Netflix and Disney programs, increase the idiotic hybrid electrification, have one guy winning every race by a minute, Brad Pitt, whatever... That's all water under the bridge. But imo, they are on life support (increase in number of fans doesn't matter if all these new fans only casually tune in to an occasional race here or there, while they piss off & shove out the die hard ones. Quality > quantity) until they 1) get rid of the sprints 2) put the cars on a diet, and 3) reduce the calendar, and thus, viewer saturation. While we're at it, clean up the stewarding too, and stop trying to generate chaos. If you look at what happened with the decline of nastycar after that series peaked in the 90s, it's hard to deny that Formula 1 is taking the first steps down that exact same path with all the gimmicky changes they've been making.
demeaning, contrived. you are right... people are attracted to glitz glamour and trash. this is one of your best videos probably the best. all important points well made..... oh for the spirit of 1970s formula 1
Saying that Ecclestone tended to stay away from new street circuits is not quite true after all the problems that the Singapore GP supposed (breathing problems for drivers, overheating, poorly designed corners and kerbs...) and after the fiasco that was Valencias GP from both an economic and a sporting point of view. They just had less races than now
I hope they can turn the disaster around for the sake of the race at least, but I complete agree Peter. People like to talk about going bigger, or about progress, but one can also make progress towards one's own downfall. I hope they learn from this.
OMG 🤣@@TheHolym4n It's late and VERY obviously past my bed time. Goodnight. ;) (It was typed on my phone, so maybe it was autocorrected via my dutch keyboard. Still, I should have noticed.) 😵
Perfect observations Peter, on all points covered. The sport is taking a back seat to all the crowd hyping hoopla. It's become all about meat in the seats vs the soul of the sport.
Pete, do you think Toto has some skin in the game when it comes to the Vegas GP? He seemed to be overly aggressive in his defence of the track yet was heavily on George Russell's side when a man hole cover went through his Williams in Baku 2019.
Just last year Toto was mugging for the cameras about porpoising and how dangerous it was and how important driver safety was. When it was effecting his team. He tried shaming other teams for not caring and got the FIA to change the rules, hoping to gain an edge. Where’s that political power brought to bear on this, Toto? The outrage and hand wringing. He’s a massive hypocrite and, frankly, becoming a caricature and a joke.
I'm not sure why everyone thought any of this would bring in new USA F1 fans I don't get it. I'm from the USA btw and I can go see a concert any day of the week it's rare I get to see F1 here.
Hi Peter - I have been watching F1 since Jackie Stewart days and also helped out a F3 team. I totally agree with all your comments. I just hate all the modern hype and all the bickering, never a fan of any street circuit especially Monaco - modern cars are just too big. Plenty of traditional circuits in Europe for the season - I often wonder why I am still watching it.
imagine F1 has closed off fan areas for fp2 thats what fans deserve for supporting F1 and encouraging them to concentrate more on a show theme than the actual SPORTING EVENT supporting mediocrity will always result in failure
I've been an American F1 fan since late in the 94 season. I've been following casually for the last decade, but in the 2021 season renewed my interest again. I love what Formula 1 is doing. However, Vegas is just way too much. I understand what they are trying to do, but It's almost SAD. Indy makes sense, Watkins Glen, tracks with racing heritage and we end up with a circus....
I could not agree more. Besides Peter’s well put arguments, I absolutely was disgusted by Toto saying: ‘..nobody is watching in European time anyway.’ I’ve got news for Toto: loads of European fans set their alarms if needed. Besides: FP 1 and 2 were on decent hours in European time. It was the home crowd who had the disadvantage. Apart from fans being sent off from the stands… If Vegas is supposed to be setting the new standards (quoting Toto), you might want to make sure the home crowd is not already in bed or allowed to stay in the stands. And don’t shrug off an entire continent of racing fans. That should never be the result of ‘setting the new standard’.
Yeah, it seems LH is just working on and promoting his brand. Which I suppose is understandable given that he will retire from racing soon and would like to have an income stream and some celebrity status.
It's so true...with all the empty desert space one could build the most spectacular course ever...with every bell and whistle possible...hopefully that will be the eventuality...
@@hillbillyreefer8996 They did their first Street Race if they had an F1 spec Roadcourse they could run a Race there and F1 could use it for support races...
And Carlos gets a penalty, this is beyond ridiculous
“Calm down Fred it’s just a man hole cover get over it, the organizers have done a wonderful job now pay me”- Toto Wolff
Exactly. The stewards makes up rules all the time. Why can't they do it now
WORD!!!!
In fact absurd
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Peter, I agree with you 100%. When the “show” becomes more important than the race, I think it's time to rethink the whole venue. Especially when the safety of the drivers is not given top priority. ALL street circuits compromise safety in one way or another. That's the nature of the beast, and for me, that is unacceptable.
Sadly, the majority of sports worldwide have become this way. The sports themselves have no importance compared to the money and business side. There isn't much soul in sports today.
I don't. I am not a Merc or Toto fan at all but he's right. Big screwups happen with new events. This was an F up. But fix it and move on. Why latch onto it and dwell on it
Greed IS americans second name.
All *drivers* compromise their own safety by racing...all circuit have their unique dangers, street tracks are part of the thrill of formula 1
@@JoseSanchez-fi2ms Right. F1 never made any money until an American company owned it.
Totally agree with Max and Peter..F1 has gone the wrong path trying to entice new fans who don't care about the actual sport but the glamour and drama associated with it. F1 is not promoting Motorsports in any way, it's promoting the f1 brand and increasing it's value for the stakeholders.
If Max really cared about F1's integrity he should have returned the trophy gifted to him by the FIA in Abu Dhabi 2021. Once him and Horner remained quiet about that farce, they lost all credibility.
They are going the (wrong) American way!
It has nothing to do with sports but it's all about money money money!
@@Euclides287Cry on baby! You would return a extra income to your a big company because the company made a mistake and you did nothing wrong and the law is on your side?
Max did what he was supposed to do and that's
what he did winning the race! Did Lewis give his title back after Piquet jr. deliberately crashed his car? No because it wasn't his fault! Exactly!😮
@TheIceMan Fully agree with you! Spot on with your comment👍
Actually it's not bringing in any new fans and those it does they won't be fans but for a race or two.
I'm a vegas local and a lifelong f1 fan. My wife and I scraped up our only $500 and bought tickets to practice for me and my father.. This was handled so horribly and was such a terrible experience. We were there from 7:00pm until 1:30am when they kicked us out. It was awful, no communication, just all around bad experience.
I spent $500 and my father gets less than 4 hours of sleep before he wakes up for cancer treatment after seeing almost zero f1 running
I am so sorry to hear that.. Must have been terrible to be kicked out that way.. No words.. I wish your father all the best..
Sorry you had such a crap experience. Best of wishes to your father
The way they were silent and gave no news was terrible
I was watching it live here from the Netherlands as Ted Kravitz was watching you guys on the grandstands ( the last 50ish hardcore fans who had endured the lengthy wait) getting kicked out, and he got seriously emotional because of it, in the sense that he truly felt so bad that the true F1 fans ( not the whole show thirsty mob ) could not be allowed to witness that for what they had payed for whilst sitting through the bore and drag of the entire outlet incident debacle in the wee hours of dawn, to be able to watch the 2nd practice session. It reminded me of when i was at Spa in 2021, as we stood in the rain from 5am till 8pm for the love of F1 with hope it would eventually provide us with a race, It didn't and F1 didn't do anything to compensate us true fans, were sorry, that was it.. In your situation i can only imagine how painful it must have been with your father in the predicament he currently finds himself in, Much respect to you, and your father and i wish you both all the best and a quick and steady recovery for your dad. Much love from the Netherlands.
All the best to your father! It is a shame this is the F1 experience you both got.
What would Toto have said if it was Lewis or George who ran over the manhole? You would be able to hear him slam his headphones into his desk from the other side of the Strip. Seems like very selective nonchalance.
You would never hear the end of it, even next season
Lol, if Lewis had come within 20 feet of a flying cover he would have cried bloody murder!
If Lewis had hit that, he would have been losing his mind. Would also (rightfully) be pissed at F1 for handing his driver a 10 place penalty for it. 9 out of the 10 teams were okay with no penalty for Sainz btw. Guess who wasn't the TP starts with T and ends with an O
Toto is a joke m8
@@floodo1 I think he's extremely overrated, he took over a team that Brawn built and Nikki cemented.
100% agree with your views, F1 is about racing, NOT show business
Was waiting for this ... I have said it on another platform. My problem is not so much Vegas but the contradiction in claiming it's about growing the sport yet when you look at the entire process so far, very little has to do with actual F1. Take for example the opening, with all those screens the least they could have done is show 2-3 mins expose on F1, the highlights, historicals, the quickest pitstops, overtakes just to show the new viewers what F1 is about, instead they spent 30mins on musicians and only showed the drivers who are supposed to be the main acts for a few seconds like they are just props to support their concert. That is not pro F1. If they wanted to do this maybe they should have looked at world cups and how they do openings.
Also the issue of the drainage, true it is not new, and perhaps in my view is precisely why they should have learnt from previous incidents to ensure it doesn't happen here.... But I guess lessons to be learnt. So far I can't agree more with Max... It's such a fuss for show and 1% actual racing.
100% agree
Agreed...Liberty Media has destroyed F1 with all the wokeness, politics and razzmatazz instead of being focused on the racing. Toto's reaction to the drain cover shows he is more interested in his wallet than safety!
@@thethrawnscotsman5260 the irony is that while they were prepared to sideline F1 for the show, in fp2 they are having it without the fans, it's about actual drivers and their machines
@@thethrawnscotsman5260explain what you mean by ‘wokeness’
F1 is a show and always has been!
This is a rich man’s sport and entertainment for the masses!
Vegas is a spectacle …. Have you ever been … it’s alllll about exposure and not this year … not the year after but years to come …. They will get it right!
You could say Monaco …. Is a pure f1 circuit but it’s the worst race on the calendar bar none!
Drivers need to get out of their own arses and help be on the same trajectory as the sport ! Just because they feel uncomfortable doing some PR
Lewis as always led the way about reducing his commitment to that … but some times you’ve got to!
The worst thing is that they banned all the fans for FP2 from the stands and fanzones.
And I've read they didn't even apologize to the fans for that.
What a disgrace.
F1 is nothing more than a street hooker taking advantage of a situation. Vegas is NOT your private property to showcase you event. No matter how many LIES you tell nobody believes you.
That manhole could easily killed someone! Toto made a fool of himself.
You should hear him cry when it would've happened to one of his drivers, and you can take 2021 as a guideline for that.
@@LogiForce86 yeah. We will have Toto the drama queen then. Lol.
@@LogiForce86just like he did last year with porpoising being a safety issue the FIA needed to correct. Fix your F’n car!
It wasn’t a manhole , it was far smaller just a storm cover
Ironic F1 almost literally went where they belong.
This is the channel you come to for real honest, unbiased F1 commentary. Only true enthusiast subscribers here.
Started being an F1 fan back when Peter was starting. Though I left it during the early 80s to the 2000s (when I caught a glimpse of Graham Hill's helmet while channel surfing past a race and stopped to see who had the nerve and discovered his son racing and started following it again.)
I agree with Max, it makes me cringe watching the drivers take part in these childish painting challenges etc over the race weekends, I enjoy the more private Q&A’s with fan questions, I have to say the more personal videos on some of the driver’s personal channels with them on camera in the buildup to the races have been an excellent way to get to know them, but I feel embarrassed by the humiliation they’ve put through these last few seasons.
I actually watch less of the TV coverage now than back then, I tend to watch highlights on UA-cam then tune in for Martins grid walk and the race.
Max even had a clause put in his contract that he only does max 1 marketing event per race weekend; he is definitely 0 show & BS and 100% about racing.
Give me a French or German Grand Prix anytime over this circuit, to think we might lose Spa and have more of this is shocking
I'll take the butchered hockenheim over shitty street circuits in Yankee land.
Me as a pure F1 racefan not liking this pathetic circus fully agree with you! You are absolutely spot on with your comment👍.
we need to bring Sepang back into the calendar.
Malaysia, Germany, France, Turkey should be back on the calendar
This season ended for me in Brazil, as it should have done. These last two are just non-championship events.
Scrap Baku, but keep Spa ffs !!
It's just getting worse. fp2 at 02:30 local time. The people who still were waiting on the grand stand were kindly requested to get the fuck out while having paid a way to expensive ticket. You can't do that!!! Also the people around the track who live there and are trying to sleep are wide awake in their beds cause there are F1 cars running down the streets in front of empty stands in the middle of the night. This is embarassing for F1. Max is completely right: it's all about the money and this has nothing to do with F1. Update: Sainz gets a 10 place grid penalty cause a manhole destroyed his car. F1 is going the wrong way is many ways. Ferrari should never accept this, come on!!
Of course Sainz gets a grid penalty. He's using an engine and PU outside the pool. Rules are rules, and you must be praising everything to do with the Las Vegas GP, which is the crown jewel of F1 now (according to corporate cocksucker Toto Wolf).
Watch out, sky is going to apologize for you, because you said fuck.😂😂😂😂
But yes, it was a disaster. You payed for it, you wait and you are kicked out and not allowed to watch.
I found it insulting Toto said nobody in europe watches FP1 anyway. I got up especially at 4am to watch it , as I’m sure many other did too.
The response from Toto was appalling, that heavy chunk of steel could have been lethal for a car behind, he's an absolute twit and this was unacceptable!!!
What did Toto say ??
of course toto has a bad take once again. that man got handed the keys for a winning team by ross brawn and as soon as his gravy train came to a stop he has done nothing but collecting L after L. bad takes, bad decisions, just a grade A twat all around. hope he retires soon.
@@Daxboy16 wow... thanks
I did have to applaud Fred for saying "Come on you would feel the same if it happened to you."
I don't get this over-corporatisation in F1 to always say the right thing and try to cloak any criticisms in business lingo. If it's a shitshow, then say so.
@@Daxboy16That's not what he said at all. He said that in the scheme of things it was a setback that they would fix, as they did in Monaco and all the other times it's happened. He was reacting to a ludicrous question from a journalist who said that it was a "black eye" punch against F1. It's serious and will be fixed.
Peter "the voice of reason" Windsor.
YES!!
Of course Toto was dismissive of such a minor incident. Toto takes care of Toto, and clearly stands to profit heavily from the financial successes of F1.
Sure he has a point that so many worked so hard to make this event happen, however this incident could’ve been disastrous and should not be diminished.
"Sure he has a point that so many worked so hard to make this event happen," Working hard on the Show....but missing out on racing🤔
@@Wolffview It's the typical contemporary corporate bullshit mentality: you cannot criticize anything, that's toxic. The only ppl that can criticizing is when C-level is self-serving criticizing themselves by calling for "accountability" of everyone (but actually not themselves).
I think it's very unhealthy for Toto to have such a share in projects like this. Just like his wife doing F1 Academy, she'll rarely speak a critical note about it. They are too invested.
If it had been his car he’d have gone off.
Yeah same for everybody. Everybody goes against there closest rivals. Is this your first season watching?
Max is reaching that level now where he has the voice to speak up on issues. And he is becoming the voice of racing. I really loke what he says on this. Lewis has a different voice. Note Lewis spoke up on the issues Vegas is having for locals and saying they should not be inconvenience like they are. I appreciate both voices for what they are saying.
Max talks about the event which is what this is. LH uses the event to talks about social justice which has different viewpoints often more nuanced than the simple heart string tug.
Got to give it to young Max ,he is old school, hes a proper driver and great at it .
Max is Dutch, he is straight up, direct and in your face with his opinion and probably really does not care if you disagree. And he should be, especially when he is probably well aware his opinion is just accurate and correct in this case. HE is a driver, not a showman (first) interested in image and being "cool" like Hamilton is.
Mate I'm a Super huge Max fan and agree 100% with him, but don't make it out as if only Dutch people tell it like it is, the main reason is because he is confidant in his own ability as a person and not afraid to give his opinion. Its an attribute found in many successful people and also some F1 drivers of the past. Michael Schumacher, Kimi Räikkönen and Ayrton Senna all had the same attitude and they sure as hell weren't Dutch 😅😅😅😅😅😅
@@Switll72 Never said Dutch are the only ones..
@@blazemonger1 Your opening words literary was "MAX IS DUTCH !!" and then naming all the attributes, as if that's the reason why he is like that. Just for background I've been married to a wonderful Dutch woman for 25 years.
@@Switll72 So, "It's a Dollar, you can buy stuff with it" to you means I'm saying you can't buy stuff with anything but Dollars? I really have no idea how you ended up with what you think I said. It's OK though, even when you are incorrect in your interpretation of what I said
@@blazemonger1 Mate super happy that your a proud Dutchman but trying to imply that's what made Max what he is just starts to get annoying. Everybody that can read knows that was your point you tried to make. Why did you bring his Nationality into this if you didn't ?? Praising Max for his no bullshit attitude would have been great and to the point, but no you had to starts with "Max is Dutch !!"
I don't always agree with Max, but on this he is 100% right. More attention should have been paid to the condition of the track surface and the track temperatures, rather than the OTT promotional pre-show. I like the idea of a Nurgburgring replica, that would have been great and a much better option than yet another street circuit.
The team that organized the "show" is separate from the team that takes care of the track. Once the race route was decided, it's unlikely the pre-race show plans affected track construction and certainly did not decide on the drain covers. To blame construction issues on the promotional activities is crazy.
Gosh your so right about that insane "growth" model every aspect of sport and society at large has been plugged into. Plus it always leads to paying more for less (like in gaming, football etc etc).
Max isn't afraid to stay true to himself, unlike certain others who are corporate minded, who only think about money!
Max is in a position that makes it easier to say things like that, He won’t lose his job 😜
Max is more than happy to accept the corporate generosity that supports his lifestyle.
@@MrLucky-ev9do What life style is that? Passion for racing or passion for fame?
@@Rodejong Nothing screams passion for fame like singing and dancing Viva Las Vegas. Max is just a sellout.
When was he dancing? And being happy about winning, singing along a great Elvis song, shows that he is human. You're grasping at straws!
Another serious and very well thought through video from PW. Your videos are such a great companion to the F1 season! Thanks!
I totally agree with Max and also with your opinion, that streetraces are dangerous.
Thanks for this very profound analysis - cannot agree more. I'm definitely no Max-Fan, but the man did rise in my appreciation as he has the courage to express what he thinks against what (nearly) all others say (not only on this topic, also about sprints for example) and probably what his bosses and F1 would like him to say. That Carlos is penalysed under these circumstances is absolutely ridiculous and unsporty behaviour. Cheers from Austria, M.
I agree. Not a fan of the shit show of F1 Las Vegas. The two combine to epitomise what is wrong in our sport and our lives. Good wholesome racing where people can afford to watch is what they should be aiming for.
I'm one that likes Monaco but I agree that the worst thing about F1 is that they're always trying to replicate Monaco but with a different twist here and there. It's never going to work and the results speak for themselves that most of them are dire and artificial. I applaud Max for sticking to his guns on this - it's not easy when everyone expects you to tow the line about how it's all fantastic and the fuel really smells of roses. But he's Dutch and he's always going to be blunt about what he thinks.
The manhole incident just....I don't know how many times the same mistakes keep happening - I've been thinking that they only pay lip service to safety these days as there's been a real decline in standards since Liberty took over. Oh well, we'll see how the rest of this race pans out.
I agree 100% with you Peter and as a 40+year F1 supporter I am sick of DTS fans and American involvement in the sport,surviving quiet well without it for 1/2a century,having a US GP is great but it should be done the F1 way not the American way
Hang on. Not all Americans are watching F1 because of DTS. I’m an American and have been a fan since Mario Andretti was racing. It was really difficult to watch then because there was very little coverage in the US. Keep in mind that not all American fans are “DTS fans”. Some of us are purists and hate what Liberty has done to our sport. I do hope that Max’ dominance has put off these “DTS Fans” and they move on.
I live 90 minutes from Watkins Glen and would love that circuit to be upgraded for F1. There is only one US GP and that is in Austin. The other two are not really F1 races but rather circuses with few fans and only celebs who want to be seen. I’d rather go to Montreal or Austin.
@@scottwisner5831 I agree with you mate,I started as a small boy in Australia watching Mario and Allen Jones etc,I understand not all Americans are DTS fans and not all DTS fans are American either,plenty here to don’t worry about that,I just don’t see it bringing good to the sport,in fact the Aussie people that are DTS shit me as they think domination has never happened lol,I’m like it goes in cycles and as a huge Schumacher fan I even wanted a rival to beat him,the whole mess of the team bosses becoming stars was the end result of the big fiasco in 21
I wore a red bull jumper to the pub and got told off by a new fan until they realised it was a number 11 haha,people need to realise that we are watching history in Max ,like we(not them) watched in Lewis,Michael,Alian ,Senna and so on
Sorry if I offended you as I should have wrote my words more carefully
A sport I am so passionate about
@bernardmcmahon2383, it’s all good. I’m sure we’re in agreement. I’ve also had those moments when I catch some crap for wearing my RBR shirt in public. Call it the DTS Effect.
@@scottwisner5831 yeah I am sure we do,Max is the villain,Senna was similar in his views,as was Michael and I put Max in that class,maybe bias but I don’t put Lewis there,great driver like Mika but Max is like Schumacher in the Ferrari,unbeatable,but I see him retiring early from the political crap he cops,we get the sky TV version in Australia and the English press are so bad against Max,Ted Kravitts is like a bullied schoolboy,only sane one is Brundle and at least he knows what he is talking about
Toto: it's just a manhole
Toto also: pitstops are way too fast, we need new rules now
Toto only cares about Toto...And Lewis...I think he adopted him from Anthony Hamilton.
HAMILTON loves the glamor and the glitz .Max concerned with the racing and not the glitz fair play to him
Yess fast pitstops are way more dangerous than a loos well cover. What an idiot Toto is.
Also Toto: porpoising is a safety issue, we need new rules now
@@seashackf1 yes, he's extremely selective, a class clown
F1 is a class sport and should exude class, and the current direction is sadly quite the opposite and that draws similar public, that will boo on any occasion their limited brain capacity sees fit. I love how level headed and honest Max always is!
On the other hand, Max is gets a 50+ million dollar salary because of this show. Why do you think teams try so hard to get a 11th team on the grid. More means less money.
Sorry, but F1 is a business. When F1 visits circuits like Zandvoort or Barcelona people complain that there is little overtaking. When we do visit street circuits where there a far more overtakes than on a regular circuit, people still complain...
On of the major issues for Las Vegas it the time difference with Europe. Would they start the race on Sunday at 3PM, that would equal 11PM going over to Monday night. At the same time, a lot of events are happening in Las Vegas during the evening and night, so attendance for the less important F1 events like practice session will be impacted...
I presume you meant "exude" ...
Money can't buy manners/sportsmanship
Watching the team principals (apart from fred ) and Tom Clarkson , tow the corporate Line and not criticise the shambles that was FP1 was a Disgrace and they should be ashamed!
Toto is an absolute clown at this point, and Max is usually on the money. Good on you peter for just realizing this.
Man-hole cover was already a problem in Baku couple years ago as well. Very strange they missed it indeed. Can't believe they didn't do what Peter suggests here that would've been awesome an amazing track and the glitter and glamor of vegas for the FIA people. Max is a legend as always.
I doubt building a track on a huge tract of land in the dessert will fly environmentally nowadays...even in Vegas.
@@TC-mt1zx I get what you’re saying but it’s in the desert. Not like they will have to get rid of trees or anything. They also build a huge football stadium there for the raiders couple years ago.
You're a lot more balanced on these issues than me (and you have the experience to back it up) and I agree. Less sometimes is more and it's not just a simple case of grow grow grow, expose expose expose. If you're an actor or TV personality first then I guess it's mostly fine but if your primary position is to be a racer in the vein of Senna, Fangio etc, this will grate terribly. Some very good points about the (often overlooked) issues of the very long (and mostly unprotected) straights. Thanks Peter. Lots to think about.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Well spoken sir. And yes, Max is right. Lewis is dumb
Well Lewis will say the same thing as Toto if course.
Nope! Max is a dumb sellout who sings and dances "Viva Las Vegas." Lewis and Alonso are right.
Somewhat weird that Max turns out to be the adult in the room. I thought your qualification of "childish" was spot on. But I always get that feeling when stuff gets "Americanised".
What about Toto’s reaction? The guy has issues man. So aggressive…let him watch anger management.. will lighten him up
Id imagine netflix was filming again, guys turning into a parody
@@TUBZ600 that would not suprise…Toto is very camera awarness..still very inappropriate
Toto showed he is more interested in his wallet than the safety. Shocking seeing Toto defend that. That could have been fatal and is not acceptable anywhere!
@@thethrawnscotsman5260 Toto is the ultimate corporate pos. The way these people act borders on sociopathy. No wonder his drivers are also effectively insufferable.
Very well put, Peter.. 👏Especially on the need for limitless growth. We need quality. F1 is becoming a fast food-business. And "No one in Europe is watches trainings this hour". Right. 🤨
A motor sport ‘Super track’ built in Las Vegas would ne the way forward to really anchor F1 in the USA. Las Vegas has the foot fall, the money and is always chasing the ‘next big thing’ I would love to go to vegas to do laps of a replica ‘Nurburgring’ Tourist enfarten, that would be amazing.
Austin did it ten years + ago
They did free practise at 3 AM local time. Absolute madness and police removed all public/crowd. NO one on the granstands anymore.. Is that what we want?
Well said Peter! I totally agree with all of that. As a long time Formula 1 fan, yesterday was just a farce, and embarrassing on so many levels. And as you rightly say... it's not as if man hole covers are an unexpected thing for a new street race?!?!?!? FFS.... And carlos getting a penalty for it is BEYOND insane!
From a guy who threw a hissy-fit over porpoising (his being the only team that couldn't tame it), his dismissive attitude to the manhole cover was completely unacceptable. Toto has been off the deep end for a long time now. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: once Lauda died and the momentum of his leadership dissipated, Toto has seemed lost at sea. He doesn't seem particularly good at adapting to not being at the front anymore, which isn't what you want when you've set your sights at being back there again soon.
"If a car bottoms out and ends up in the wall, I'm coming after you."
Indeed, Toto. Indeed.
100% agree with your analysis and point of view. Love your suggestion for F1 in the States based on your 10 year old article!
And don't forget Max is Dutch! If we don't like it we say it, because it's the only way it might change and it takes away some frustration. 🤷🤷🤷🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
if it ain't dutch it ain't much 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Nice to see some honesty. The TV broadcaster is probably contractually obligated to tell us it is the greatest event ever but truth be told it should never have happened.
Completly agree with everything you have said.
I totally agree with your idea of building the ultimate race track out in the desert....firstly, plenty of space, secondly, plenty of money/investors in the States, thirdly, it would be permanent and could host a variety of other motor sports. Great idea Pete.
Totally agree with everything you just said Peter, great vid
My biggest fear with street circuits is if there is contact on high speed straights sending a car airborne and then it hitting one of the pedestrian bridges.
If you've ever been on track, you'll know this is not possible.
plenty of cars have flown over barriers and safety nets
You’re thinking of the terrible, terrible waste of film, New Jack City.
My first Grand Prix was at Kyalami. On that fateful day, right in front of me, the Tom Pryce accident happened. This was going down the main straight on a dedicated race circuit. This is not the only accident I have witnessed on that straight though, but the only one in F1. The worst race accident in history also occured on the main straight at the 1955 Le Mans race.
I wasn't there, but that accident (seen on TV) still sticks with me. It was one of the most terrible accidents i've ever seen. The way the involved people died, i hope if there is a heaven, they get a good spot.
@@Fastbikkel It is an image engraved on my mind and a sound I cannot unhear. I cannot say it haunts me, but both live rent free in my mind and remain "fresh" - that any accident in motorsport I witness, these images and sounds flood back - last episode, Grosjean.
Nasty individual that Toto is
He and Lewis deserve each other
Max is an old-school European. The show is for him only the game or the race itself. No pre-game show, halftime show or a party after the game/race. I like that ; )
I agree totally about street circuits. Time for purpose built tracks only. They would offer opportunities for other races during the season.
As with Max, I'm interested in the race.
Thanks Peter, interesting to hear you. The hype, the so-called celebrities, the prices, the need for growth, it's the Americanization of F1 that we don't need.
Never had that when Bernie ran F1? WRONG!
Speed differentials: At the Isle of Man TT the STRICT rule is "no cruising"... racing speed or pull off the circuit.
I saw a little of the grand opening a few days ago and I hated it. Had zero to do with racing just music; like it was a music show. HORRIBLE. I agree 100% with Max. It really is over the top it has nothing to do with racing; and PW is correct they should have had a proper circuit out in the desert ; Las Vegas still would have been the focus and the hotels still would have benefited. Now 2 cars are destroyed, imagine if this happens during the race or quali?
I LIKE MAX ALWAYS TELLING THE TRUTH!
USA has so many GREAT race tracks, like Watkins Glen, Road America, Laguna Seca,... And Liberty went to Las Vegas, and "forced" this stupid layout. And when all is said and done, now we have a man hole problem! What? What year is it?
I vote for Road America, such a great track.
Your idea of what they should have been done is spot on. As a long time American fan and someone that has been to Vegas many times. Knew this would be bad in many ways. I have been to NHRA and other auto events there and they are outside of the city. Never had an issue and don’t see why it had to be in the city. Hate the big show stuff too. F1 drivers have always been these skilled and brave drivers of these vehicles. Not showmen.
Sorry to say, but Peter Windsor and Max Verstappen are absolutely correct.
In retrospect, F1 and Las Vegas were very, very lucky indeed that they didn't end up with an absolute catastrophe of a race. But none of that takes away from the fact that a street-circuit race F1 race in Las Vegas comes with massive costs. Not just the technically uninteresting circuit. But also the fact that the GP made life hell for local people for (at least) five days or so.
I love Peter's idea of building an an ultimate F1 Super Circuit out in the desert. I'd pay good money to see F1 drivers and cars competing on a purpose-built track under those conditions.
Much respect and appreciation for the channel.
WOW!!! For the first time in history, Peter doesn't 'fan-boy' over Hamilton, and takes Verstappen's side on an important issue! So he CAN actually be fair and objective, which is great because he's got everything else going for him. It's taken a year, but I've now subscribed, and even given you a Like. Thanks, Peter.
You are dumb. I watch 90% of Peter's videos, and while SLH77LGBTQ+ is untouchable, Max is also one of Peter's darlings.
You haven't been paying attention..
He doesn’t fanboy anyone if you watch his analysis every week.
OP, Peter doesn’t fanboy Lewis Hamilton, he gives him his just analysis on his wonderful driving. The criticism can be over Peter losing the plot over AD 2021 for a while, but the further he gets away from 2021, the fewer holes he has in his analysis.
While he is a bit of a Lewis fan, it hardly ever gets in the way of what I call ''an objective analysis''.
There is, at least one reason, I work my schedule around to never miss your vlogs, and the 'very ethical' points you are making in most of them, is that you are that exceptional reference source we have to never forget what greed is eating out of the legend that F1 built from 1950 on.
Toto has lost it completely.
Yea he can't deal with the fact the easy times are over, he isn't a fighter like Horner.
Had that been Lewis’s car that got damaged in FP1. Boy would he be screaming at the FiA.
He was down right arrogant towards Fred in the press conference and going on a rant for no reason.
I think he wanted to retire 2 years ago and he has to stay because of Lewis
You guys might have overlooked the fact that Toto is not just another team principal in F1; he's also a part owner of Mercedes, holding a significant 33% stake. This means his interests in the Vegas race goes beyond just winning. Unlike the other team principals, Toto has a financial incentive in increasing the overall value of F1. Additionally, if I'm not mistaken, he stands out as the only billionaire among the team principals. So though he is about winning he is definitely more about the money!
He was defending F1 from a reporter with a clickbait question. Every team principal would have a different reaction if its their car.duh
Dont know if Toto reacted the way he did when it would have been one of his drivers hitting that manhole cover... Also his "in Europe no one watches FP1" was a rediculous statement. Thanks for nothing Toto! By the way Peter did you saw Keanu Reeves docu about Brawn GP? I think it was a great docu, even with a few insights I didnt even knew (and I watch F1 since 1975!)
But Peter. That American woman pundit on sky f1 said the testing on the sim didn't show any problems with the drains 😮😮😂😂
If this is true, then ignorance is truly bliss. Can't explain how you are a f1 pundit and be that clueless and still get paid.
Very very very well said Peter! Keep doing what you're doing! 💖
I wonder if it was Mercedes , lets take Hamilton ! , that got in contact with the man - hole , the world would have been to small for Wolff , I can fully understand that Ferrari was very upset
And what about all the fans that haven't seen a FP1 even though they paid huge amounts of money? Turns out that there's also a pedestrian bridge that has been closed because it wasn't safe. Toto should just shut up: if one of his cars was damaged this severely you wouldn't hear the end of it! Carlos could have been seriously injured.
Toto knows it helps Mercedes and that’s all he thinks about
Visually, I really didn't enjoy watching the race on tv. The lighting of all non-track areas was terrible, the paddock was in darkness & Las Vegas itself was badly lit & in huge swathes of pitch black instead of uplighting & illuminating all the Vegas features & backlighting The Strip to show it off to it's best.
there was a manhole cover incident in baku as well a few seasons ago. I remember they delayed practice to wield them all in place
Singapore too right?
absolutely could not possibly agree with you, and Max, any more, Peter.
This is what the ideal F1 calendar should be:
-Season opener in Melbourne
-Sepang
-Istanbul
-Hockenheim
-Monaco
-Silverstone
-Montreal
-Austria
-Magny Cours
-Hungaroring
-spa the last race before summer break again
-monza (with gravel around the parabolica again)
-suzuka
-CotA
-season closer in Sao Paulo
MAYBE throw in Bahrain, Barcelona, or Imola too, but that's it; absolutely no more races than that... March to October, like how it used to be. If a bunch of Arab oil sheiks want to drop some coin to have races around their fake marinas, then we can have "wild card" slots on the calendar with circuits that rotate every few years.
If they come even close to adopting a calendar like that (with no Miami, no Mexico City, no Qatar, no Abu Dhabi, etc), along with going back to smaller, more nimble cars again that aren't these understeering, lumbering behemoths that look like parade floats when they're going through slow corners, and show signs that they are phasing out DRS, then I will go back to being as head-over-heels in love of a die hard fan as I used to be when I first started watching. But until then, they're on thin ice with me personally, and I'm currently counting my days for how much longer I'm honestly going to keep dedicating time to this sport.... and I say this as somebody who hasn't missed a single race since 2005 (and watched most of the qualifying sessions as well), for whatever that's worth.
First and foremost priority before any of that other stuff though is completely scrapping these silly SpRiNt WeEkEnD sideshows... ugh.
If they make those changes, then I seriously couldn't care less about anything else going on. They could still have celebrities I don't care about taking up screen time, keep the Netflix and Disney programs, increase the idiotic hybrid electrification, have one guy winning every race by a minute, Brad Pitt, whatever... That's all water under the bridge. But imo, they are on life support (increase in number of fans doesn't matter if all these new fans only casually tune in to an occasional race here or there, while they piss off & shove out the die hard ones. Quality > quantity) until they 1) get rid of the sprints 2) put the cars on a diet, and 3) reduce the calendar, and thus, viewer saturation. While we're at it, clean up the stewarding too, and stop trying to generate chaos.
If you look at what happened with the decline of nastycar after that series peaked in the 90s, it's hard to deny that Formula 1 is taking the first steps down that exact same path with all the gimmicky changes they've been making.
Respect for this perfect analysis, top of the craziness is Sainz getting a grid penalty for things totally out of control of Ferrari
Peter, Thank you for being the voice of reason in the world of F1.
demeaning, contrived. you are right... people are attracted to glitz glamour and trash. this is one of your best videos probably the best. all important points well made..... oh for the spirit of 1970s formula 1
I'm convinced that Toto Wolff is a silent investor of this event. after his response to Carlos Sainz 's penalty..
Saying that Ecclestone tended to stay away from new street circuits is not quite true after all the problems that the Singapore GP supposed (breathing problems for drivers, overheating, poorly designed corners and kerbs...) and after the fiasco that was Valencias GP from both an economic and a sporting point of view. They just had less races than now
GP have been run before in Vegas on a Truly terrible track in a car park under BE watch , other street circuits as well
Peter nails it here across the board, in my opinion.
I hope they can turn the disaster around for the sake of the race at least, but I complete agree Peter. People like to talk about going bigger, or about progress, but one can also make progress towards one's own downfall. I hope they learn from this.
Love your straightforward analysis as always
Fully agree Peter , good job explaining Max because Dutch people are very direct and it’s picked up wrong many times by the press .
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he is very quotable (means he is misquoted a lot ) .there I fixed it for you .@@TheHolym4n
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(It was typed on my phone, so maybe it was autocorrected via my dutch keyboard. Still, I should have noticed.) 😵
No, that's just what press do
Perfect observations Peter, on all points covered. The sport is taking a back seat to all the crowd hyping hoopla. It's become all about meat in the seats vs the soul of the sport.
Hey! At least the opening ceremonies went off without a hitch!
HAHAH! Priorities!
Lewis loves it because it all helps promote his side businesses.
Pete, do you think Toto has some skin in the game when it comes to the Vegas GP? He seemed to be overly aggressive in his defence of the track yet was heavily on George Russell's side when a man hole cover went through his Williams in Baku 2019.
Just last year Toto was mugging for the cameras about porpoising and how dangerous it was and how important driver safety was.
When it was effecting his team. He tried shaming other teams for not caring and got the FIA to change the rules, hoping to gain an edge. Where’s that political power brought to bear on this, Toto? The outrage and hand wringing.
He’s a massive hypocrite and, frankly, becoming a caricature and a joke.
I'm not sure why everyone thought any of this would bring in new USA F1 fans I don't get it. I'm from the USA btw and I can go see a concert any day of the week it's rare I get to see F1 here.
Totally agree with you Peter! This Las Vegas GP is all hype & glitter!
Hi Peter - I have been watching F1 since Jackie Stewart days and also helped out a F3 team. I totally agree with all your comments. I just hate all the modern hype and all the bickering, never a fan of any street circuit especially Monaco - modern cars are just too big. Plenty of traditional circuits in Europe for the season - I often wonder why I am still watching it.
imagine F1 has closed off fan areas for fp2
thats what fans deserve for supporting F1 and encouraging them to concentrate more on a show theme than the actual SPORTING EVENT
supporting mediocrity will always result in failure
Peter, great suggestions you are absolutely right.
I've been an American F1 fan since late in the 94 season. I've been following casually for the last decade, but in the 2021 season renewed my interest again. I love what Formula 1 is doing. However, Vegas is just way too much. I understand what they are trying to do, but It's almost SAD. Indy makes sense, Watkins Glen, tracks with racing heritage and we end up with a circus....
I’m glad to hear someone speaking up with how it is.
F1 has truly showboating take priority over professional racing.
I wonder if Toto would have been so dismissive if it at been Lulu's car that got wrecked?
I could not agree more. Besides Peter’s well put arguments, I absolutely was disgusted by Toto saying: ‘..nobody is watching in European time anyway.’ I’ve got news for Toto: loads of European fans set their alarms if needed. Besides: FP 1 and 2 were on decent hours in European time. It was the home crowd who had the disadvantage. Apart from fans being sent off from the stands… If Vegas is supposed to be setting the new standards (quoting Toto), you might want to make sure the home crowd is not already in bed or allowed to stay in the stands. And don’t shrug off an entire continent of racing fans. That should never be the result of ‘setting the new standard’.
Hamilton is a showman, he’d definitely love it regardless of whether it provides for pure racing or not.
Show pony you mean?
Yeah, it seems LH is just working on and promoting his brand. Which I suppose is understandable given that he will retire from racing soon and would like to have an income stream and some celebrity status.
So glad to hear you talk about safety. It isn’t talked about enough. I love your concept for the track. It would have been great.
It's so true...with all the empty desert space one could build the most spectacular course ever...with every bell and whistle possible...hopefully that will be the eventuality...
never happen
NASCAR could build a Roadcourse near the Speedway...
@gerardcrabb4556 nobody cars about nascar..
@@hillbillyreefer8996 They did their first Street Race if they had an F1 spec Roadcourse they could run a Race there and F1 could use it for support races...
Beautifully said. 100% agree.
This is what I like about Max, he is no nonsense and just wants to race