If you have a switch with 10 gigabit SFP+ ports (that white QNAP switch starts at $160 for the unmanaged one with 3xSFP+, and Microtik has ones at $150), an even cheaper way to do 10 gigabit is to buy used Mellanox SFP+ PCIe cards (they're $25-30 USD on eBay). Direct attach SFP+ cables are very cheap, fibre optic 10gig SFP+ modules are affordable too (Ubiquiti charges $38 USD for a pair of them, $19 each), and OM3 fibre optic cabling is also cheap (there's even Amazon Basics fibre cabling, a 100ft cable is $25 USD). And you can easily upgrade SFP+ cards to use cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cabling, an RJ45 10 gigabit SFP+ module goes for around $65. So, fibre is much cheaper, but at least you're not locked in.
It depends on background noise too. Cat6 is only rated for like 50M 10g but you can get further if you don't have much interference. If your cables run past microwaves, florescent lights or big induction motors you will need the higher grade cabling but in many homes without much going on and decent wiring cat6 or cat5e can be fine. That said when you are having issues due to interference over lower quality cabling it can be hard to diagnose.
I purchased the QSW-M408-4C as soon as it was available. Updated the firmware, used it for one day, froze on me 3 times. I work from home, so this was a no go for me. Returned. Perhaps I got a bad one. Perhaps firmware needs to be worked on. Who knows. I may try again in a year as this switch hits the sweet spot.
ActionTec released ECB7250 a few weeks ago. It is running MoCA 2.5 with 802.3bz 2.5 G ethernet. Can you do a review video on that since you have the speed and capable hardware? Great info on this video too. I was only thinking Cisco SG-350-PD for 2.5G.
Enjoying your channel immensely Lon, your reviewing the things that people use everyday, going for the best lowest budget to feature set. I used to watch Linus Tech Tips for this type of stuff till he lost the plot and started reviewing stuff like 30K TVs?!?
an 8k tv isnt used there isn't any programming broadcast or recorded in 8k and it wont be for a long time, at this point its a way for TV manufactures to get money.
@@marcesw35 Not necessarily true. While there is no programming available in North America, Japan is doing some testing with 8k programming. They also planned to broadcast the 2020 (2021 now I guess) Olympic Games in 8k. We don't have the infrastructure yet, but it could be adopted in the near future. It is going to be unnecessary to most people since they aren't even taking advantage of 4k yet, despite streaming services offering 4k.
Obviously you got one QNAP for free, which looks nice for the price, but why not go for UniFi equipment? Being able to manage everything including VLANs from the UniFi controller is super nice.
Lon.TV The Unifi switch may be more expensive but you get what you pay for. Including a single pane of glass to manage an integrated solution. Especially in your line of work, I would think you’d want to seamlessly control the entire data experience (vlans, routing, security, reporting, etc), which is Ubiquiti’s Unifi line’s sweet spot. The market doesn’t lie and it’s definitely on the Unifi side. Anyhow, just my 2 cents. Cheers
That's not what the video was about :). This is a consumer oriented review with consumer gear. For my purposes I don't need high end stuff everywhere but will likely replace the netgear component with a Unifi one when I need more ports.
There is a new company coming to my neighborhood that is promising 2gb x 2gb. Is there a more of a consumer router/gateway that is 2.5gb besides something like the Dream Machine Pro?
This is awesome content. This comes at about the time when I see that 10G is affordable for the home user. I thought about it before, but switches were $500 to $800 when I looked, then the cards were $250 bucks each for 10G. Now, what you've shown, is very affordable for the average user (like me).
10 gig switches now start at around $150-160, though the 10 gig ports are usually SFP+ only at that pricepoint. Not necessarily a problem as 10 gig SFP+ cards are super cheap ($25-30) when bought used.
@@estusflask982 The QNAP QSW-M408-4C has four RJ45 10 gigabit ports (each shared with an SFP+ pair) and eight 1 gigabit ports for $300 USD. If you only need, say, two RJ45 ports and two or three SFP+ ports (doing something like an uplink to another switch or a cheap used Mellanox network card with a direct attach cable or cheap fibre transceivers), then you can get a QNAP QSW-M408-2C, which has four 10 gig SFP+ ports with two of them shared with a 10 gig RJ45 port for $239. Or you could get a 5 port 10 gigabit SFP+ switch from Mikrotik for $150 USD and use a mix of direct attach cables, fibre cables ($19 per 10 gig fibre transceiver), or RJ45 adapters ($40 each). The cost of making that Mikrotik be a 5-port RJ45 10 gigabit switch is still only $350, and probably less if you're smart about what you use copper for (fibre cabling and transceivers are both very cheap).
@@estusflask982 Go to amazon and search for "sfp+ rj45" and you'll find multiple hits for 10GBaseT adapters. And fibre adapters are even cheaper, a Ubiquiti UF-MM-10G is $19 a pop in a two-pack.
It makes some sense because their stuff is really geared towards delivering WiFi. Maybe once WiFi 6 becomes the norm because then a 1Gbps backend potentially becomes a bottleneck.
@@estusflask982 the 16XG is like 550€ and the 10G PoE one that is also capable of 2,5g and 5g is about the same price. Not sure what you are referring to? The new ones coming out are 24x10g + 2x25g for about 900$ and 48x25g and 2x100g for about 2000$
@@Burnman83 I'm talking about native RJ45 multigigabit switches, not 10G fiber switches that also have multigigabit with $60 per port multigigabit adapters. Multigigabit is 2.5/5G, not 10G. The 1 multigigabit switch they have will be $1000-$1100 once it is out of early access.
I was facing the same network questions for switch choice (my gigabit pro gets installed next week), I ended up going with a Mikrotik CRS328-24P-4S+RM switch (after the UDM-Pro), which was $350, has 4x SFP+ 10G, 24x RJ45, and most importantly has 450W PoE budget with 3x different PoE standards (24v passive, PoE and PoE+). Turns out the original UniFi G3 cameras and some older UniFi APs only have passive PoE, so the UniFi switch gen 2 that I was going to go for at $699 wouldn’t even power their stuff without $19 adapters, per camera! I ran a bunch more Ethernet in the house in preparation, turns out Cat7 was the cheapest at Microcenter, even over Cat6. It was however stranded, and 26 awg, versus solid and 23 awg cat6. At 70’ runs I can get 10G without problems. My main workhorse laptop (Dell precision 7510) has had troubles with both the Pluggable 2.5G and Sabrent 5G adapters, max I can get out is 700mbps and not stable. It only has USB 3.0, and usb scans show it isn’t recognizing the USB 3.1/3.2 standard and shows bus speeds at 480Mbps. It’s clearly able to go higher than that, somewhat. More debugging to be done there.
Which equipment do you have between your house and your cable provider that affords you the multigig speeds? I have a DOCSIS 3 from Arris (TG862G) but I only get 4 ports of one gig each from that modem. On top of that I cannot aggregate all four ports or I mess up the spanning tree.
@@LonSeidman Thank YOU!!!! I pay about $320 per month to Comcast (I have phone, cell, TV, internet and home security) and never knew of that option of having fiber directly to the house. I just called them and they will call me back about having fiber directly to the house. Are you happy with their Juniper switch? I tend to be a loyal customer of Cisco so I plan on continuing with Cisco. Presently I have the 4948 and I am very pleased. All my NAS are using 2.5GBE (Synology) and the sole bottleneck are the plotters. Thanks for the info, I will act on it.
@@wiziek I thought COMCAST was a CISCO shop. In case it is a Juniper shop, which of their routers have a coax interface for cable users? DOCSIS 3.1 preferably
I also got my 2.5g switch yesterday. 4W idle at the wall. Also found a review on a taiwanese site, they claim the main chip is a stripped down 10g controller from broadcom, at least the model number is similar.
Best 2.5g unmanaged affordable switch? Just learning about this, trying to get over 1000mbps wired speeds at home. Have a 1200mbps internet speed. From router direct to desktop 2.5g motherboard ethernet wire, I get speeds of 1300-1400mbps. Through my router (ASUS AX-11000) with 2.5g, I still cannot break 1000mbps. So need a 2.5 switch. Where to even start...
So far this Qnap stuff appears to be the most affordable. This one is their newest and has a bunch of 2.5 ports and two 10 gig ports: ua-cam.com/video/qJtpVa0CahM/v-deo.html
Does a 10gbit SFP+ transceiver accept 2.5gbit from my ISP if plugged into this switch? I ask because I'm trying to connect my 10gbit NAS and 2.5gbit internet from ISP to my PC with 1 cable. Will it work with SFP+ can it do both speeds at the same time? Edit; wanted to try this with Om3 fiber
Does your internet come in as fiber or does your house have it's own modem thingy with an rj45 port? I ask because fiber connections in Australian homes have the fiber companies own modem router box that gives you a WAN connection via an rj45 Ethernet port that connects to your own router. Most SFP+ ports can run 2.5g but you will need a compatible transceiver and you will probably need to manually force it down to that speed to work in the web gui.
Excellent review.. the 2.5Gbps switch seems to have had a price hike making it less interesting.. Can you comment on power consumption, specially cat cable vs LR optical sfp
Personal review: The MiroTik has only SFP+ Ports (and one 1 Gig RJ45 uplink), so going for RJ45 SFP+ modules to use cat cable is expensive, DAC cable or fiber is cheaper here. It doesn't have fans so it gets hot, but that also means it's silent. I run 5G and 10G connections (no 2.5G) but as long as your RJ45 SFP+ module supports it, it will work on 2.5G. I don't have experience with the Netgear switch, but I would purchase another MikroTik switch every day. Let me know if you got any questions :)
I do want to get some 10G stuff. My plan is to have a 10G connection to my desktop, server and "core" switch. Pretty much what you have on here, I'm wondering if CAT6 might be able to handle it for the runs in my house. Edit: I thought USB 2 was 480Mb/s. 🤔
Cries on NBN Australia! One day we might get past 100mbit, But even that's hard to get for most people. A few lucky people live in areas that get faster than 100mbit but not many.
I mean you could push way more than 10gig on fiber but fiber runs and termination is a nightmare compared to cat6 or cat6a. Most people usually get pre made lengths. It would be a cool video to watch but probably not worth it practically speaking.
Dunno what the drivers are like for the 2.5gbit USB NICs are like but the ones on Linux and Windows are pretty rubbish. Waiting for either revision 2 of Realtek's gear or a competitor (all your 2.5gbit USB NICs will be the same chipset)
Yeah I have found the same... I run Manjaro / Ubuntu and Server 2019 Out of interest none of mine are USB 3.2 ports all 3.1 A... Most C ports do handle more power delivery either 7.5w or 15w. 3.2 Gen2 A is 7.5w most3.0 to my knowledge are a mix of 4.5w and 2.5w to my knowledge. Perhaps there isn't enough juice coming out the port to make it stable what sort of ports you running... Just curious haven't tested.
No point unless you're on the bleeding edge with 25/40Gbps. For that fiber is the better choice. If all you need is 10Gbps, Cat6A is the more solid choice.
Why would any home user need anything greater than 1 gigabit? It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean seriously... 1 gigabit is ideal for enterprise level users with 50+ users.
It's a baby step effort to help the users maximize the speed over Cat5e. Also to give a step up without breaking the bank. Why is it no one makes a 24 or 48 port 10G switch? Because it's hard to deal with that much bandwidth in a standard form factor. Manufacturers might be able to handle 2.5G though.
2.5gb saturates the speed of a NAS with HDDs. and delivers Performance almost like internal hdds. so its actually a good option for me, as 10gb would be unnecessary (and waay more expensive)
A few reasons there is a lack of 10GB CAT cabling in Business/Enterprise is the power required to deliver it. Therefore almost strictly Fibre or TwinAx short run copper leads. Due to this 2.5gb/5gb makes sense as the power requirement is much lower to have a stable link. The power requirements are also varied by distance. Couple this with the following... Legacy cabling - increased lifespan. POE devices such as higher speed Wireless AP's where it does not make sense to run separate Fibre and Power (think factories where power is dirty and a nicely conditioned comms room delivers power out of copper cabling. Copper is also more sensible where there is excessive movement. So in summary 10GB sure its great but it isn't always in budget from a building fit out. I could make the case for why 10GB Fibre /twinax is great also each has their use. FYI always use TwinAx for short runs its just more durable. :)
If you have a switch with 10 gigabit SFP+ ports (that white QNAP switch starts at $160 for the unmanaged one with 3xSFP+, and Microtik has ones at $150), an even cheaper way to do 10 gigabit is to buy used Mellanox SFP+ PCIe cards (they're $25-30 USD on eBay). Direct attach SFP+ cables are very cheap, fibre optic 10gig SFP+ modules are affordable too (Ubiquiti charges $38 USD for a pair of them, $19 each), and OM3 fibre optic cabling is also cheap (there's even Amazon Basics fibre cabling, a 100ft cable is $25 USD). And you can easily upgrade SFP+ cards to use cat 5e or cat 6 ethernet cabling, an RJ45 10 gigabit SFP+ module goes for around $65. So, fibre is much cheaper, but at least you're not locked in.
Hopefully we start seeing more affordable multi-gigabit switches
Yes, I think so too. Because it's now time that 10G is really started to be needed more now, since everyone in the house needs a fast connection.
Wireless sucks, hardwired is only way to go and 10Gb should now be more affordable!
@@hackatak 10G switches are still ~$550
CAT-5e can still push 10 Gbps at up to 25 meters which is probably good for most homes, depending on how straight you can keep the run.
It depends on background noise too. Cat6 is only rated for like 50M 10g but you can get further if you don't have much interference. If your cables run past microwaves, florescent lights or big induction motors you will need the higher grade cabling but in many homes without much going on and decent wiring cat6 or cat5e can be fine. That said when you are having issues due to interference over lower quality cabling it can be hard to diagnose.
I was waiting for a competent review on these two switches! Thanks
I purchased the QSW-M408-4C as soon as it was available. Updated the firmware, used it for one day, froze on me 3 times. I work from home, so this was a no go for me. Returned. Perhaps I got a bad one. Perhaps firmware needs to be worked on. Who knows. I may try again in a year as this switch hits the sweet spot.
Great info Lon! I was unaware that a 10gig switch would work with a 2.5 gig switch
ActionTec released ECB7250 a few weeks ago. It is running MoCA 2.5 with 802.3bz 2.5 G ethernet. Can you do a review video on that since you have the speed and capable hardware? Great info on this video too. I was only thinking Cisco SG-350-PD for 2.5G.
Enjoying your channel immensely Lon, your reviewing the things that people use everyday, going for the best lowest budget to feature set. I used to watch Linus Tech Tips for this type of stuff till he lost the plot and started reviewing stuff like 30K TVs?!?
an 8k tv isnt used there isn't any programming broadcast or recorded in 8k and it wont be for a long time, at this point its a way for TV manufactures to get money.
@@marcesw35 Not necessarily true. While there is no programming available in North America, Japan is doing some testing with 8k programming. They also planned to broadcast the 2020 (2021 now I guess) Olympic Games in 8k. We don't have the infrastructure yet, but it could be adopted in the near future. It is going to be unnecessary to most people since they aren't even taking advantage of 4k yet, despite streaming services offering 4k.
Obviously you got one QNAP for free, which looks nice for the price, but why not go for UniFi equipment? Being able to manage everything including VLANs from the UniFi controller is super nice.
The UniFi 10 gig switch is twice what I paid for the Qnap
Lon.TV The Unifi switch may be more expensive but you get what you pay for. Including a single pane of glass to manage an integrated solution. Especially in your line of work, I would think you’d want to seamlessly control the entire data experience (vlans, routing, security, reporting, etc), which is Ubiquiti’s Unifi line’s sweet spot. The market doesn’t lie and it’s definitely on the Unifi side. Anyhow, just my 2 cents. Cheers
Unifi doesn't have anything remotely comparable to the 2 QNAP switches in this video.
That's not what the video was about :). This is a consumer oriented review with consumer gear. For my purposes I don't need high end stuff everywhere but will likely replace the netgear component with a Unifi one when I need more ports.
There is a new company coming to my neighborhood that is promising 2gb x 2gb. Is there a more of a consumer router/gateway that is 2.5gb besides something like the Dream Machine Pro?
Will this run for a 1 gb fiber optic internet service or specific to a 2 gb system ?
This is awesome content. This comes at about the time when I see that 10G is affordable for the home user. I thought about it before, but switches were $500 to $800 when I looked, then the cards were $250 bucks each for 10G. Now, what you've shown, is very affordable for the average user (like me).
10 gig switches now start at around $150-160, though the 10 gig ports are usually SFP+ only at that pricepoint. Not necessarily a problem as 10 gig SFP+ cards are super cheap ($25-30) when bought used.
10G RJ45 switches are still about $550 for like 4-8 ports
@@estusflask982 The QNAP QSW-M408-4C has four RJ45 10 gigabit ports (each shared with an SFP+ pair) and eight 1 gigabit ports for $300 USD. If you only need, say, two RJ45 ports and two or three SFP+ ports (doing something like an uplink to another switch or a cheap used Mellanox network card with a direct attach cable or cheap fibre transceivers), then you can get a QNAP QSW-M408-2C, which has four 10 gig SFP+ ports with two of them shared with a 10 gig RJ45 port for $239. Or you could get a 5 port 10 gigabit SFP+ switch from Mikrotik for $150 USD and use a mix of direct attach cables, fibre cables ($19 per 10 gig fibre transceiver), or RJ45 adapters ($40 each). The cost of making that Mikrotik be a 5-port RJ45 10 gigabit switch is still only $350, and probably less if you're smart about what you use copper for (fibre cabling and transceivers are both very cheap).
@@guspaz RJ45 adapters are $60-65 not $40
@@estusflask982 Go to amazon and search for "sfp+ rj45" and you'll find multiple hits for 10GBaseT adapters. And fibre adapters are even cheaper, a Ubiquiti UF-MM-10G is $19 a pop in a two-pack.
Whom did you contact at Comcast for Gigabit Pro? Mostof Comcast doesn't know this service exists except in occasional marketing campaigns.
Is there a solution to rack mount that little guy?
It's too bad Ubiquiti doesn't have a good selection of Unify multi-gigabit switches yet.
It makes some sense because their stuff is really geared towards delivering WiFi. Maybe once WiFi 6 becomes the norm because then a 1Gbps backend potentially becomes a bottleneck.
@@tyrgoossens Actually they do. They are just not very cheap =)
Also there is a lot of 10G and 25G stuff in the pipeline in the early access store.
@@Burnman83 Unifi only has 1 multigigabit switch and it's $1000
@@estusflask982 the 16XG is like 550€ and the 10G PoE one that is also capable of 2,5g and 5g is about the same price. Not sure what you are referring to? The new ones coming out are 24x10g + 2x25g for about 900$ and 48x25g and 2x100g for about 2000$
@@Burnman83 I'm talking about native RJ45 multigigabit switches, not 10G fiber switches that also have multigigabit with $60 per port multigigabit adapters. Multigigabit is 2.5/5G, not 10G. The 1 multigigabit switch they have will be $1000-$1100 once it is out of early access.
I was facing the same network questions for switch choice (my gigabit pro gets installed next week), I ended up going with a Mikrotik CRS328-24P-4S+RM switch (after the UDM-Pro), which was $350, has 4x SFP+ 10G, 24x RJ45, and most importantly has 450W PoE budget with 3x different PoE standards (24v passive, PoE and PoE+). Turns out the original UniFi G3 cameras and some older UniFi APs only have passive PoE, so the UniFi switch gen 2 that I was going to go for at $699 wouldn’t even power their stuff without $19 adapters, per camera!
I ran a bunch more Ethernet in the house in preparation, turns out Cat7 was the cheapest at Microcenter, even over Cat6. It was however stranded, and 26 awg, versus solid and 23 awg cat6. At 70’ runs I can get 10G without problems.
My main workhorse laptop (Dell precision 7510) has had troubles with both the Pluggable 2.5G and Sabrent 5G adapters, max I can get out is 700mbps and not stable. It only has USB 3.0, and usb scans show it isn’t recognizing the USB 3.1/3.2 standard and shows bus speeds at 480Mbps. It’s clearly able to go higher than that, somewhat. More debugging to be done there.
I’ll have to check out that router! Sounds like a really versatile product !
Do you know if it supports link aggregation? I have a asustor as5304t
Which equipment do you have between your house and your cable provider that affords you the multigig speeds? I have a DOCSIS 3 from Arris (TG862G) but I only get 4 ports of one gig each from that modem. On top of that I cannot aggregate all four ports or I mess up the spanning tree.
See here! ua-cam.com/video/EdwcVpkNF9c/v-deo.html
@@LonSeidman Thank YOU!!!! I pay about $320 per month to Comcast (I have phone, cell, TV, internet and home security) and never knew of that option of having fiber directly to the house. I just called them and they will call me back about having fiber directly to the house. Are you happy with their Juniper switch? I tend to be a loyal customer of Cisco so I plan on continuing with Cisco. Presently I have the 4948 and I am very pleased. All my NAS are using 2.5GBE (Synology) and the sole bottleneck are the plotters. Thanks for the info, I will act on it.
@@davidlp6510 You can't avoid using Juniper switch, this is Comcast end device but you can use your own router.
@@wiziek DO you use a Juniper that has a coaxial port? Or are you also using fiber?
@@wiziek I thought COMCAST was a CISCO shop. In case it is a Juniper shop, which of their routers have a coax interface for cable users? DOCSIS 3.1 preferably
What's the name of the software you used for speed testing?
Wifiperf on the Mac, basically the free iPerf project command line app with a nice GUI wrapper.
I also got my 2.5g switch yesterday. 4W idle at the wall. Also found a review on a taiwanese site, they claim the main chip is a stripped down 10g controller from broadcom, at least the model number is similar.
Best 2.5g unmanaged affordable switch? Just learning about this, trying to get over 1000mbps wired speeds at home. Have a 1200mbps internet speed. From router direct to desktop 2.5g motherboard ethernet wire, I get speeds of 1300-1400mbps. Through my router (ASUS AX-11000) with 2.5g, I still cannot break 1000mbps. So need a 2.5 switch. Where to even start...
So far this Qnap stuff appears to be the most affordable. This one is their newest and has a bunch of 2.5 ports and two 10 gig ports: ua-cam.com/video/qJtpVa0CahM/v-deo.html
@@LonSeidman What to do when my modem and router only have one 2.5 gig port? My 2.5 gig switch has to plug into a 1 gig port.
YOu really Should think about moving to Cat6 so that you can get full 10g connections when you get the equipment to utilize it.
i hav cat 7
Cat. 6 is good for 1gig.
@@anatli17 wrong cat6 is good for 1 - 10 gigs cat7 is good for 10gis +
Does a 10gbit SFP+ transceiver accept 2.5gbit from my ISP if plugged into this switch? I ask because I'm trying to connect my 10gbit NAS and 2.5gbit internet from ISP to my PC with 1 cable. Will it work with SFP+ can it do both speeds at the same time?
Edit; wanted to try this with Om3 fiber
Does your internet come in as fiber or does your house have it's own modem thingy with an rj45 port? I ask because fiber connections in Australian homes have the fiber companies own modem router box that gives you a WAN connection via an rj45 Ethernet port that connects to your own router.
Most SFP+ ports can run 2.5g but you will need a compatible transceiver and you will probably need to manually force it down to that speed to work in the web gui.
Excellent review.. the 2.5Gbps switch seems to have had a price hike making it less interesting..
Can you comment on power consumption, specially cat cable vs LR optical sfp
What modem are you using?
Can you list the link to Part 1?
I got my 2 QNAP 2.5gb switches today! =)
phooey, so I guess this means no chance of a comparison review with the MikroTik CRS305.
Personal review: The MiroTik has only SFP+ Ports (and one 1 Gig RJ45 uplink), so going for RJ45 SFP+ modules to use cat cable is expensive, DAC cable or fiber is cheaper here. It doesn't have fans so it gets hot, but that also means it's silent. I run 5G and 10G connections (no 2.5G) but as long as your RJ45 SFP+ module supports it, it will work on 2.5G. I don't have experience with the Netgear switch, but I would purchase another MikroTik switch every day. Let me know if you got any questions :)
I do want to get some 10G stuff. My plan is to have a 10G connection to my desktop, server and "core" switch.
Pretty much what you have on here, I'm wondering if CAT6 might be able to handle it for the runs in my house.
Edit:
I thought USB 2 was 480Mb/s. 🤔
CAT6 will handle 10gbit just fine.
gudenau USB “gen” 2 ... meaning USB3 gen 2 (or whatever the hell it’s called these days)
If your CAT6 cable runs are less than 100 feet, 10 Gb/s should be ok.
@@concretecodpiece Now that is just confusing on purpose.
Cat6A
Cries on NBN Australia!
One day we might get past 100mbit, But even that's hard to get for most people.
A few lucky people live in areas that get faster than 100mbit but not many.
Australia is backward with net you’ll be waiting lmao
@@johnsmith-vz4sk Yeah for sure, Maybe next decade we will finally hit 1Gbit while the rest of the world moves to 10gbit. lol
This channel should be called Full Disclosure...
Sounds like it's time to replace all your Cat5 cable with some multimode fiber and go full 10 gig, every port, every link :)
I would watch this video lol
Or Cat6A...unless your individual cable runs are over 300 feet - and you don't need POE.
I mean you could push way more than 10gig on fiber but fiber runs and termination is a nightmare compared to cat6 or cat6a. Most people usually get pre made lengths. It would be a cool video to watch but probably not worth it practically speaking.
Does VLAN pass through the Netgear 10G switch? Or it will strip off all the VLAN tags? Thanks.
How do one find this? Any documentation somewhere? Or do you have to test per hardware.
Dunno what the drivers are like for the 2.5gbit USB NICs are like but the ones on Linux and Windows are pretty rubbish. Waiting for either revision 2 of Realtek's gear or a competitor (all your 2.5gbit USB NICs will be the same chipset)
Yeah I have found the same... I run Manjaro / Ubuntu and Server 2019
Out of interest none of mine are USB 3.2 ports all 3.1 A...
Most C ports do handle more power delivery either 7.5w or 15w.
3.2 Gen2 A is 7.5w
most3.0 to my knowledge are a mix of 4.5w and 2.5w to my knowledge.
Perhaps there isn't enough juice coming out the port to make it stable what sort of ports you running... Just curious haven't tested.
Why not go to CAT8? It's finally cheap enough to wire a home network with it.
No it isn't cheap and isn't usefull, one one should be using cat8.
Would you use Cat8 cables?
No point unless you're on the bleeding edge with 25/40Gbps. For that fiber is the better choice. If all you need is 10Gbps, Cat6A is the more solid choice.
Lon we trust you i think you can leave the full discloser to the credits of pre roll
lon.tv/disclosures
I just upgraded to cat 8 cable. 🤦
Your cat 5e cable will limit your speed to max 1 gbps at 100mhz... you need to upgrade your cables if you want to maximize your speed.
This is false
Very latent guy and and fun to watch. I always enjoy your video.
Great vid Lon
Love this content!
Great video and info thank you 😊
Using cat. 5e cable to run Gigabit network? Good luck. I would use at list cat. 6 cable for it.
Cat5e does 2.5 and 5 Gigabit. Cat5e also does 10 Gigabit for short runs.
Cat 5 is rubbish. It's only standard still for the price
@@CrypticConsole If you only need 5 gigabit it's great.
@@estusflask982 that's a more modern standard, 🐈 6 is still future proof as that is basically the max from 🐈 5
Really loved this video, love to learn more about networking thank u
Why would any home user need anything greater than 1 gigabit? It just doesn't make sense to me. I mean seriously... 1 gigabit is ideal for enterprise level users with 50+ users.
SOOO Lon pocket change is $100.00
you skipped a whole lot. i wanted to see how you set up the MULTIGIGABIT SWITCH.
10gb. 2.5gb seems like a gimmick
It's a baby step effort to help the users maximize the speed over Cat5e. Also to give a step up without breaking the bank. Why is it no one makes a 24 or 48 port 10G switch? Because it's hard to deal with that much bandwidth in a standard form factor. Manufacturers might be able to handle 2.5G though.
The point of 2.5Gb and 5Gb is to reuse existing CAT5E cables, and the hardware is more affordable than 10Gb.
Because u don't need it
2.5gb saturates the speed of a NAS with HDDs. and delivers Performance almost like internal hdds. so its actually a good option for me, as 10gb would be unnecessary (and waay more expensive)
A few reasons there is a lack of 10GB CAT cabling in Business/Enterprise is the power required to deliver it. Therefore almost strictly Fibre or TwinAx short run copper leads.
Due to this 2.5gb/5gb makes sense as the power requirement is much lower to have a stable link. The power requirements are also varied by distance.
Couple this with the following...
Legacy cabling - increased lifespan.
POE devices such as higher speed Wireless AP's where it does not make sense to run separate Fibre and Power (think factories where power is dirty and a nicely conditioned comms room delivers power out of copper cabling.
Copper is also more sensible where there is excessive movement.
So in summary 10GB sure its great but it isn't always in budget from a building fit out.
I could make the case for why 10GB Fibre /twinax is great also each has their use. FYI always use TwinAx for short runs its just more durable. :)