LOVE when that is in the video. I watched the track to get a feel for it, then watched what speeds he was carrying, and then after the pass, I was watching the GTR trying to keep pace. Wish every track video had front, back and instruments.
No. If both have the same motor set up, the Cobra will get it off the line and hold it's own every time. But at higher speeds, you're right (100mph plus) the Daytona will take over. Don't forget, that's why it was developed by Brock. The Cobras couldn't touch 180 mph in the straights and were getting there asses kicked by the Ferraris.
AWESOME!!! GTR driver was new I'm sure...he was way off the apex ..bad entry...never even came close to the apex. God that thing sounds so good...I agree..small block, light car...a dream. Keep it small and light...
Incredible video, solid driving sir. Would have loved to see this be at Daytona rather than Watkins. Beggars aren’t choosers though. That thing would be in the 190’s every couple minutes. Such an epic car. Old vs. New, Old any day. Sound, smell, swagger. 😎
Guillaume Laplanche Oh, I'm well familiar with the costs. I've known a number of people that built FFRs. My best friends father just finished a FFR Shelby, that he built to original specs - even tracked down an old 427 side oiler and everything. Obviously, his build was fairly expensive, comparatively, but still a fraction of an original - and he can drive the shit out of it without worrying about losing value or anything.
Isso é carro de corrida de verdade !!!!! Que motor fantástico !!!!! Muito obrigado por nos levar de carona..... Obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal......
Car is over cooling the oil, as the temp just keeps going father and father down as he does laps. Optimum would be that the water and oil temp should just about match up.
That's not how a dry sump works. There is a reason why dry sumps are put into race cars and its to keep that oil cool and available to all parts of the engine.
@@christschool - The early dry sump units were more for clearance issues, such as on the 1932 Alfa Romeo. The engine sat so low in the frame that a conventional oil pan would likely be damaged and leak, or be completely torn off. Race cars of that era ran on hard pan surface, no concrete or pavement. At high speed with lots of vertical chassis movement, they were often victims of destroyed oil pans. As you said, the dry sump units also contributed to better cooling of the engine oil.
@@Loulovesspeed Dry sump also eliminates issues with oil starvation from high lateral g-forces. A baffled pan can help but dry sump is king when it comes to road race cars.
Pretty tough to compete with an all wheel drive super car, but you sure did. You’re being careful. Is it because that car has bitten you before? Lol. I bet it will. Outstanding video.
Sweet build man. I think, at least for tracks like that, you could go with some shorter gears. It'll help you keep your revs up around those corners. Car seems pretty torquey, no dragging ass on the exits, but I think you could shave some time on mid to exit with higher RPMs.
Not much of a hunt. Like shooting ducks in a barrel. Don’t know much about race cars. This one looks like fun. Love the sound. I think my SL might able to keep up with a different set tires. This driver would beat me. He’s a better driver. Good video. Thanks to the driver. That was enjoyable. God bless.
The title is misleading. You only spent the first three minutes hunting down the GTR, 30 seconds beating it to death, then four minutes of victory laps.
@Eric Roy - Ford *289 cu. in. (4.7 liter) with 4 twin choke downdraft Weber carburetors and producing 385-390 HP. Top speed - 197 MPH! * original Daytona engine
tp7886 if I'm not mistaken, I think it's the same engine that they put in the new GT-350's. I think if you looked up the optimal temperature for those then it should be about the same. Though I would do a bit more research to be for certain.
@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 I once got my 1986 Nissan hardbody to 70 mph in 3rd gear by accident wasn’t until reaching down to turn the radio down because truck sounded a little funny did I see the gearshift was in 3rd not 5th Ahahahaaha!
Worth keeping in mind is most FFR Type 65 Coupes are running pushrod small block Ford engines - it's almost not fair to compare them to current technology! 2:09.01 lap time - compare to other top times @ Watkins Glen: www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Watkins_Glen Also, GTR record @ WG is 2:02.672 narraonline.com/event-results/track-records#watkins
So what do you think they could do with a Hot Rodded 5.0 Coyote engine? Or even a stock one since you wanna compare new to new. Better still, an LSX 427. New vs Old will be around as long as there are cars.
An LS engine in one of these would be violently fun! Honestly, an aluminum 427W with some contemporary cylinder heads should do the trick, of course with fuel injection.
SGTJDerek I know there was a supercharged 200+mph RedHat winner at Bonneville that was a coyote motor powered Daytona. if you google "coyote mod FFR Daytona 65 coupe" it should show up. Also, don't bash on the old pushrod V8s... they can still easily make plenty of power and run well in a light FFR Coupe. They don't weigh much, their balance is like a dream, and they did run over 200mph 50 years ago... so they should be able to now even easier ;) also, running a GM LS engine... in a Shelby car... tsk tsk tsk lol :D
A GM LS engine has a lot in common with a Ford Windsor. The deck height and bore centers are really close. The valves are all parallel, and the firing order is the same. GM18726543 = Ford13726548. :) Just to be contrary...
I think based on the lateral Gs that this thing doesn't have a 427. so probably a 5.0 with a 2015 IRS. it's a little hard to tell with various exhausts but I would say it does sound like a Mustang GT so that's my best guess 150 mph on straight that's about right for 2400 lb with 420 HP. it would be nice to know more but this poster is MIA
Wondering if the engine's oil pressure is referenced to atmosphere or case pressure, if atmosphere and it's a dry sump or has a vacuum pump then it's missing 10-14psi depending on how good scavenging is. Oil temp is REALLY low, that's going to cause problems later on with water contamination.... but also points to a dry sump, remote reservoir and extra capacity taking longer to heat up.
leloodallasmultipass you're in luck. FFR have just come out with the Gen III coupe. These are amazingly high performance, solid cars. Build one! Yes, I have one :)
In a racecar situation it all comes down to " power to weight x earodynamics, the gtr is not a slower car but suffers from the extra 1200 lbs it has to excellerate AND slow down, and cobra was out for a Sunday drive, not actually driven in real anger
Wow! I didn't know a GTR was THAT MUCH heavier! I figured maybe 400-500lbs heavier. 1200lbs is alot of weight to manage in and out of the corners... modern tech brakes and suspension or not,that's alot of weight!
@@Matt-mh5ud its common knowledge that you need at least 10 psi for every 1000 rpm for safe engine operation under heavy loads. The pressure may or may not increase with rpm depending on engine design. You can use an oversized oil pump so the psi is a constant value but it wastes a lot of horse power. Quote " In a typical (stock) passenger car engine, the oil pressure is usually between 30 and 40 psi. And that’s sufficient to provide adequate lubrication to the various moving components. But most high performance (or race) engines require 50-60 psi or more for proper lubrication. There’s an old racing rule of thumb that still applies here: Approximately 10 psi of oil pressure is needed for every 1,000 rpm. As a result, a 7,500 rpm engine will mandate approximately 75 psi of oil. " pressure.www.onallcylinders.com/2014/10/23/oil-well-choosing-proper-pressure-volume-oil-pump/
@@Mike583 yup and most street engines red lined at 6K or less so 50 PSI would get you by in a pinch. High volume oil pumps blew more engines than they saved because all the oil ended up in the top end not the sump.
rocketman63 ls7 is too wide?..... my sir I am sure you have no.idea what you are talking about. There is plenty of room in that thing for a LS engine. LS7 is the same size as an LS1 or even a 4.8 truck engine
people in the comments talking smack about these cars, putting different engines in them etc are y'all nuts? ua-cam.com/video/9hIQOgk7a0Y/v-deo.html why would you take this mighty sound out of it a put an LS engine in it?????? lemon sauce gm rubbish ua-cam.com/video/ujwsjjZaSNY/v-deo.html this is my beast a awesome sounding engine
You know the GTR could hear him coming too. The exhaust on that thing is unreal
50 year old technology vs.today's technology? In most circumstance I'll have to go with what's modern but a Daytona coupe repro. . . . Vintage rules!!
It's all modern technology underneath the body panels...
@@profkaos110 not too much, it`s authentic to the original exept for the airconditioning
@@64fairlane305 not in an FFR. Now Superformance is a different story.
64fairlane359 that’s Superformance. Factory Five builds a Daytona inspired track car but Superformance builds an exact recreation of the real thing
the daytona is an actual racecar the gtr is a poser robot driving...
Props to the gtr for its due diligence... for letting the more powerful cars pass by 😋
O WHAT A FOOL BELIEVES.
@@dirkwinchester1576 The Daytona has 635hp and with its aluminum frame, weighs less than 2000lbs, so much faster than a GTR.
@@christschool the original daytonas had about 390 horsepower. And 375hp per ton, the gtr has 270hp per ton.
@@sweaspurdoddd5466 this ain't an original brah, FFR daytonas are kits that you'll have to build. Hence he's right about it having 600 ish horsepower
Damn, he's pulling 1.3+ lateral g's in some of these turn.
1.41 was the highest I saw.. that's crazy
Actually spent more time watching the Laptor data than the driving, lol...
LOVE when that is in the video. I watched the track to get a feel for it, then watched what speeds he was carrying, and then after the pass, I was watching the GTR trying to keep pace. Wish every track video had front, back and instruments.
that thing will outperform a gtr all day everyday
The GTR looks like hes out for a Sunday drive.
Ooo, that sound! Beautiful! Car seems geared well for the track too.
As fast as the Cobras were, they wouldn't stand a chance against the Daytona Coupes! Same horsepower, better aerodynamics, will win out everytime!
No. If both have the same motor set up, the Cobra will get it off the line and hold it's own every time. But at higher speeds, you're right (100mph plus) the Daytona will take over. Don't forget, that's why it was developed by Brock. The Cobras couldn't touch 180 mph in the straights and were getting there asses kicked by the Ferraris.
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AWESOME!!! GTR driver was new I'm sure...he was way off the apex ..bad entry...never even came close to the apex. God that thing sounds so good...I agree..small block, light car...a dream. Keep it small and light...
+Richard DelTran oh stop excusing, the Shelby Daytona is way lighter and lower + a na v8
Watkins Glen looks like a mummified fetus. This Daytona is raw and refined, thanks for posting!
Don't drive like one
I'm going to save this video in my music folder
That Coupe wants that GTR's lunch money.
Incredible video, solid driving sir. Would have loved to see this be at Daytona rather than Watkins. Beggars aren’t choosers though. That thing would be in the 190’s every couple minutes. Such an epic car. Old vs. New, Old any day. Sound, smell, swagger. 😎
This entire video made me hard. I WILL build my own FFR Daytona some day, hopefully soon.
only the price of a mid size PU truck
Guillaume Laplanche New
Guillaume Laplanche Oh, I'm well familiar with the costs. I've known a number of people that built FFRs. My best friends father just finished a FFR Shelby, that he built to original specs - even tracked down an old 427 side oiler and everything. Obviously, his build was fairly expensive, comparatively, but still a fraction of an original - and he can drive the shit out of it without worrying about losing value or anything.
still cheaper than a gtr though and in my opinion way cooler
You and me both brotha. I wanna put a newer vette motor in it.
Great video. Love the telemetry. You're short shifting here & still running very fast. The oil & water temps stayed pretty low I think. Great footage.
Hunting down, killing and eating. Nice video dude!
Isso é carro de corrida de verdade !!!!!
Que motor fantástico !!!!!
Muito obrigado por nos levar de carona.....
Obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal......
SIR you ARE my HERO!!!!
Car is over cooling the oil, as the temp just keeps going father and father down as he does laps. Optimum would be that the water and oil temp should just about match up.
That's not how a dry sump works. There is a reason why dry sumps are put into race cars and its to keep that oil cool and available to all parts of the engine.
@@christschool - The early dry sump units were more for clearance issues, such as on the 1932 Alfa Romeo. The engine sat so low in the frame that a conventional oil pan would likely be damaged and leak, or be completely torn off. Race cars of that era ran on hard pan surface, no concrete or pavement. At high speed with lots of vertical chassis movement, they were often victims of destroyed oil pans. As you said, the dry sump units also contributed to better cooling of the engine oil.
@@Loulovesspeed Dry sump also eliminates issues with oil starvation from high lateral g-forces. A baffled pan can help but dry sump is king when it comes to road race cars.
@@wrenchrat True, and it also allows lowering the center of gravity, contributing to much better handling, faster cornering, etc.
No replacement for displacement... Plus aerodynamics and a bad ass driver
Wow that thing is wicked fun/fast!
That shift from 3rd to 4th is mm
That thing has some serious grunt.
Pretty tough to compete with an all wheel drive super car, but you sure did. You’re being careful. Is it because that car has bitten you before? Lol. I bet it will. Outstanding video.
Sweet build man. I think, at least for tracks like that, you could go with some shorter gears. It'll help you keep your revs up around those corners. Car seems pretty torquey, no dragging ass on the exits, but I think you could shave some time on mid to exit with higher RPMs.
+Kyle Simon do you know the weight of this old racer? and the torq? it is all about avoiding wheelspin, not revving
Ahh...... the American V-8 music is soothing.
Get spanked Godzilla. 'merican muscle right there boys, yeet yeet.
Very good drive and I bet you were having a lot more fun than the her driver :)
Super ! 😁👍
Nah, I have one of each. Driven correctly, the GTR is a clear winner.
Not much of a hunt. Like shooting ducks in a barrel. Don’t know much about race cars. This one looks like fun. Love the sound. I think my SL might able to keep up with a different set tires. This driver would beat me. He’s a better driver. Good video. Thanks to the driver. That was enjoyable. God bless.
awesome power! great to see. thx.
not so much but the car is light..
oil pressure is low for a small block ford. scary low 25 psi at 4,000 rpm. should see at least 25psi at idle hot. i love the cornering forces.
Not really. If you watch the GT-R's lines you can tell that he wasn't on a hot lap.
Wow I saw 1.4 g on the lateral... impressive.
Is hood cowl buffeting in wind or GoPro Jello ?
SLAM BOY little of both
The real difference is the Guy in the r35 will be sipping a glass of wine with the climate control set perfectly Listening to Queen 🤣
Sounds like a torque monster. LOL
What is that dispaly on top of dashbord ?
thats quick
The title is misleading. You only spent the first three minutes hunting down the GTR, 30 seconds beating it to death, then four minutes of victory laps.
great acceleration great engine sound😢
The car must be a hoot to drive. It must have some motor behind, specs?
@Eric Roy - Ford *289 cu. in. (4.7 liter) with 4 twin choke downdraft Weber carburetors and producing 385-390 HP. Top speed - 197 MPH! * original Daytona engine
GTR driver looks like a beginner, but I like Daytona Coupe.
Nice car, well driven.
I have a daytona FFR. it was possible to inform me:
Which gearbox do you use
Differential ratios
What brakes you use.
What tires are you running?
Is this normal oil pressure? Seems low to me, but what do I know? Haha
gear ration on this thing are loooong! how many gears does it have 4?
+malokoketu duhh....
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Really tall gearing
thank goodness for syncromesh.
amazing
Also hard.
Why would an awd car be desirable at the track? I would want the engine sitting behind the front axle.
Smooth.
Not bad on a wet track
Old vs New? Well, the old car weighs less then half of the new one, with about the same horsepower... so what do you expect?
What is optimum oil temperature for a motor like this?
tp7886 if I'm not mistaken, I think it's the same engine that they put in the new GT-350's. I think if you looked up the optimal temperature for those then it should be about the same. Though I would do a bit more research to be for certain.
105 miles per hour and still have another gear to shift into Damn!
he got up to 152 mph that's like 260kph on a short strait
@@351clevelandmodifiedmotor4 I once got my 1986 Nissan hardbody to 70 mph in 3rd gear by accident wasn’t until reaching down to turn the radio down because truck sounded a little funny did I see the gearshift was in 3rd not 5th Ahahahaaha!
GTR driver is new to driving. He's not even trying to apex
billiondollardan No. The Daytona is just better. Sorry man.
Not trying? He's hitting the corners as he should. It's just not there. The car doesn't have it. It's stock.
+coolruehle He's hitting everything late. He doesn't know where the apex is. After the 3:10 mark he doesn't even get close
+billiondollardan stop making excuses holly fuck
+billiondollardan You don't understand how fast those new continuation daytona coupes are.
I don't think the GTR is in anger mode. The outcome would be very different
Unlikely. The FFR Daytona is a good 700 lb. lighter than the GTR- and we don't even know what lurks under the hood. 550 hp. 392, anyone?
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Worth keeping in mind is most FFR Type 65 Coupes are running pushrod small block Ford engines - it's almost not fair to compare them to current technology!
2:09.01 lap time - compare to other top times @ Watkins Glen: www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Watkins_Glen
Also, GTR record @ WG is 2:02.672 narraonline.com/event-results/track-records#watkins
So what do you think they could do with a Hot Rodded 5.0 Coyote engine? Or even a stock one since you wanna compare new to new.
Better still, an LSX 427. New vs Old will be around as long as there are cars.
An LS engine in one of these would be violently fun! Honestly, an aluminum 427W with some contemporary cylinder heads should do the trick, of course with fuel injection.
SGTJDerek I know there was a supercharged 200+mph RedHat winner at Bonneville that was a coyote motor powered Daytona. if you google "coyote mod FFR Daytona 65 coupe" it should show up.
Also, don't bash on the old pushrod V8s... they can still easily make plenty of power and run well in a light FFR Coupe. They don't weigh much, their balance is like a dream, and they did run over 200mph 50 years ago... so they should be able to now even easier ;)
also, running a GM LS engine... in a Shelby car... tsk tsk tsk lol :D
A GM LS engine has a lot in common with a Ford Windsor. The deck height and bore centers are really close. The valves are all parallel, and the firing order is the same. GM18726543 = Ford13726548. :) Just to be contrary...
Guns Cars and Digits but it'd be a GM engine in a Shelby... just so many things wrong with that lol
I'm wondering if a fuel injected engine would pick the car up off the corners a little better. Love the data display.
I think based on the lateral Gs that this thing doesn't have a 427. so probably a 5.0 with a 2015 IRS. it's a little hard to tell with various exhausts but I would say it does sound like a Mustang GT so that's my best guess 150 mph on straight that's about right for 2400 lb with 420 HP. it would be nice to know more but this poster is MIA
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You should be wide open up thru the S’s. I know cobras/coupes are hard to drive but that things new!
He needs some Stig tunes playing...
I love UA-cam...
Wondering if the engine's oil pressure is referenced to atmosphere or case pressure, if atmosphere and it's a dry sump or has a vacuum pump then it's missing 10-14psi depending on how good scavenging is. Oil temp is REALLY low, that's going to cause problems later on with water contamination.... but also points to a dry sump, remote reservoir and extra capacity taking longer to heat up.
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Is this a driving school, this guy doesn't belong in that seat.
Why must the mouse chase the cat
@Nabeel Fareed Moosa - All part of the equal rights movement! Lol
Ok that was just fun
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Engine?
I'd love to build one. I wish someone made a kit of the superformance car. That one is so much moar awesomer. Pretty costly, tho.
leloodallasmultipass you're in luck. FFR have just come out with the Gen III coupe. These are amazingly high performance, solid cars. Build one! Yes, I have one :)
Mark Ferris Honestly, this might be what I am looking for. How do you have one already?
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In a racecar situation it all comes down to " power to weight x earodynamics, the gtr is not a slower car but suffers from the extra 1200 lbs it has to excellerate AND slow down, and cobra was out for a Sunday drive, not actually driven in real anger
Wow! I didn't know a GTR was THAT MUCH heavier! I figured maybe 400-500lbs heavier.
1200lbs is alot of weight to manage in and out of the corners... modern tech brakes and suspension or not,that's alot of weight!
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That was a great drive! Oil pressure seems kinda low though. General rule is 10 psi per 1000 rpm.
Not sure where you heard that. There are far more factors that affect oil pressure and RPM is largely not one of them.
@@Matt-mh5ud its common knowledge that you need at least 10 psi for every 1000 rpm for safe engine operation under heavy loads. The pressure may or may not increase with rpm depending on engine design. You can use an oversized oil pump so the psi is a constant value but it wastes a lot of horse power. Quote " In a typical (stock) passenger car engine, the oil pressure is usually between 30 and 40 psi. And that’s sufficient to provide adequate lubrication to the various moving components. But most high performance (or race) engines require 50-60 psi or more for proper lubrication. There’s an old racing rule of thumb that still applies here: Approximately 10 psi of oil pressure is needed for every 1,000 rpm. As a result, a 7,500 rpm engine will mandate approximately 75 psi of oil. "
pressure.www.onallcylinders.com/2014/10/23/oil-well-choosing-proper-pressure-volume-oil-pump/
@@billb410 Back in the 70's/80's, we ran high volume oil pumps , instead of high pressure oil pumps.
@@Mike583 yup and most street engines red lined at 6K or less so 50 PSI would get you by in a pinch. High volume oil pumps blew more engines than they saved because all the oil ended up in the top end not the sump.
the ffr is NOT pushing very hard at all
can you imagine this thing with an LS7 or a voodoo
How about a 900 horse supercharged Coyote!
Sorry, but an LS7 is too wide. Besides, this is based on a Shelby car from the '60s. You wouldn't want to give it Chevy power, would you?
Since it's a rework of a '60s roadracer, how about doing it all-motor? How's the Aluminator sound to you?
Pete Brock who designed the Daytona Coupe in 1960's runs a replica today and it has an LS motor
rocketman63 ls7 is too wide?..... my sir I am sure you have no.idea what you are talking about. There is plenty of room in that thing for a LS engine. LS7 is the same size as an LS1 or even a 4.8 truck engine
Nice video but not overly impressed with the driving
people in the comments talking smack about these cars, putting different engines in them etc are y'all nuts? ua-cam.com/video/9hIQOgk7a0Y/v-deo.html
why would you take this mighty sound out of it a put an LS engine in it?????? lemon sauce gm rubbish
ua-cam.com/video/ujwsjjZaSNY/v-deo.html this is my beast a awesome sounding engine
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Oil temp gauge must be FUBAR. 140° motor oil ain't going to lube worth a fck.
2:09 Big Yawn. Really. 2:05.22 in a 964 cup @ 2600 w/o driver 265HP PCA