He's asking us our opinions to get a conversation and debate started. Yours might be different but in my experience a question mark at the end of a sentence generally denotes that a question is being asked.
Them Silver bullets are about useless level up with solid copper with African teek wood packed in your hollow points .then your next level for the devils kids to snuff out
HST is all I carry. There are other decent rounds on the market (critical defense, speer gold dot, etc), but federal takes the cake in the consistency category. Weight retention and expansion are unmatched.
when it gets through armor which it rarely does, its no more than a small 380 slug with no stopping power. there are plenty of better rounds than this and the rip rounds. federal hst and honrady critical duty do hit harder and Penatrates farther while remaining a 9mm slug and keeping its petals. This is just a gimmick. Use whatever you guys feel is trustworthy but seriously go and shoot some meat and you'll see the difference.
@@gunsandgaming7634 these are no gimmick, i highly recommend watching their ballistic gel test. they fragment in a star burst and the rear puck penetrates 12 inches, it causes massive catastrophic bleeding. the rip rounds are a gimmick, but the civil defense took that gimmick and made it efficient. the civil defense 9mm has more fpe on expansion than any federal or hornady, they even have better numbers than buffalo bore. please watch the ballistic gel test and get back to me, okay?
Idk man, the X-Macro with a comp is pretty slick. Similar size, 2 extra rounds of capacity, and an integral compensator make it hard to ignore. Sure the trigger sucks, but we're comparing it to a Glock, soooo...
@@ccoryell95yeah but I’ve seen many videos of the x macro not shooting when the trigger is fully depressed and then they shake the gun and it fires.. Wouldn’t trust my life with it tbh
Because people love to larp as experts and super tacticool operators, so they mainly use HSTs or Gold Dots like a lot of LEOs, or other more hyped up rounds. Basic winchester white box JHPs are fine but they're made to a price point and not particularly amazing as far as consistent expansion from what I've seen. They do the job though and you can't deny the value for money.
I'd like to see the two idiots above me laugh about its "superficial wounding" when they take a few of these to the chest. Unless you're wearing rifle plates, you ain't safe.
@lil Merica clearly you have never fired it at gel or even water jugs. It has a velocity over 2000fps and shooting at a simple jug of water was even a surprise when i went to pick up the jug and was instead picking up pieces of it. Anytime i get a new carry gun i always buy double, some to carry and some to shoot to make sure it functions well in that weapon
Yes they are. Most people say they don’t go deep enough. The shortest I have seen was 8 inches on gel blocks. And it looks like a cherry bomb went off inside. 8 inches is going to hit organs on anybody. I even seen these make a pig shoulder look like meat mush.
I know a vet who once said "Your not in the infantry. Why tf does it matter if you have brass or steel? You dont use it it enough to make a difference."
My agency has tested these and they were unbelievably good on soft targets while also traveling at 2000 fps(solid copper-goes right through a ballistic vest)and cycled fine in our Glock 19’s and 17’s.Too bad the powers that be went with Speer Gold Dot instead(not a bad round at all)due to cost.
@@asdfghjk2933 You know what, you're right. I'm sure there's other self defense ammo out there that probably functions just as good... To be completely honest, I'm a little bias when it comes to Federal HSTs because it's literally all I've ever known. My whole life I've ran nothing but Federal HSTs in my EDC gun because of how much evidence & testing supports it. That being said, unless for some reason they stop making Federal HSTs... ima still stick with it when it comes to my EDC ammo 😅 lmaoooo anyways, I hope you have a great day & remember to stay dangerous!! 😈
Only types of ammo i will carry are ones that pass barrier and ballitics tests. Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Duty (NOT critical defense) are the only three i will carry
You need the Critical Duty not the Critical Defense, hornady makes great munitions, and critcial defense is a decent option but there are better choices out there
It's super light, and super fast, but the only time I've had any ammo jam in my APX A1, it was these. The sharp edge at the tip got hung up entering the barrel. This happened twice, once I attributed to a poorly seated magazine, the other though was strictly do to the ammo design.
Expansion is great and all but only if it does it reliably. Maybe these are good, idk, but the reason Federal HST, Spear Gold Dot, and Hornady Critical Defense are so sought after is due to their ability to expand regardless of “obstacles” (denim, doors, etc.) in their way. There are many companies making rounds with greater expansion than the ones mentioned, yet they fall short where it counts: consistency. I personally trust the ballistic engineers/experts at Federal, I couldn’t trust a no-name company like this
@@ko4otv43 interesting round that’s for sure, would like to see it with organic ballistics gel (not the clear stuff, very different). In my opinion, this is all speculative and by no means am I an expert, but these seem like they would be a good choice against a threat wearing light body armor (like a cop… lol), maybe not your best choice against the average criminal. According to the FBI, Pistol bullets should penetrate 12-18” through organic ballistic gel with 4 layers of denim to corroborate to the maximum amount of energy that can be dispersed into the human body under most circumstances. For how easily these zip past level IIIa body armor, it makes me think these would easily over-penetrate if your target isn’t wearing armor, basically creating a similar ordeal to the m855 round
@DankSandwich well as far as I'm concerned most gun fights happen within 10 yards and I don't want to much penetration either. If I go through my target with something that can go 18 inches that could lead to more trouble. As far as the FBI goes I don't even want to get started on that subject.
They're in my 380 edc pocket gun. Tiny ammo like that reaching around 1500 f/s is no joke. Out of a 9mm, they're around 2000 f/s. That is straight nasty
@@DankSandwich Paul Harrell also has a thorough review of this ammo. I consider him a trustworthy source of tests & data on UA-cam. I’m glad this video has led to discussions like this. It’s interesting to hear what people decide to carry, and why.
@@landenx they do something called (PWC) permanent wound cavity. Basically maximizing energy output through wound cavitation. Assuming they call it “permanent” because you ain’t coming back after getting popped in the chest with 1. I carry these 70-90gr Xtreme defenders in +p.
Speer gold dot and Federal HST are the gold standard imo. Hornady critical duty/defense and Sig Sauer Vcrown perform pretty well in my Glocks but aren't as good. I personally haven't tried the Civil Liberty. Honestly, most jhp and even 124 grain nato will do the job. You just have to be aware of over penetration with some including Critical Duty.
Over penetration isn't really a issue with Civil liberty. It's such a light round with a huge hollow point, traveling 2k fps...it's going to expand and loose almost all of its energy upon impact.
@@CatskillOnethey do what they do. Never been a cop, the round speaks for itself. In my home defense it's a 165 speer gold dot. In my carry it's a 124 or 200 good dot
Civil defense will penetrate 3A body armor. But not 3A+ or level 4 plates. Some strong stuff. This goes 2040 fps. All those who are recommending other rounds are doing so because they don't wanna spend $2 per round lol
The only difference between Critical Defense and Critical Duty is that Duty is more barrier blind, which is what you want in law enforcement. Not so much in civilian carry. Stick with Critical Defense.
The biggest pro about these is that since it's a 50gr bullet in a +P cartridge, they travel at over 2000 feet per second. Typical 9mm is usually around 1100-1200.
Are you limp wristing? I've shot these in my Shield (4" barrel) AND my home defense pistol (M&P fullsize) with not one single jam. I've been through at least 3 boxes already. S&W works, no matter what ammo I put in them!!!!! I've also run Libery through my G17 and my LCP Max with no issues.....
R.I.P.s are the best pistol defense ammo on the planet. 9 wound channels created from every round and doesn’t overpenetrate so you’re not shooting through your threat and potentially hitting someone unintended
I’ve used these against soft targets in my .40 and it blew a massive hole in it. The entry wounds look like the exit of my 180 grain hollow points. It does massive damage!! Don’t expect a lot of penetration though. I personally love carrying this as it weighs less than half of what a normal full mag weighs.
Yes! Massive energy dump, low penetration. Good for hot climates where multiple layers of clothing aren’t common/ if you have concerns of over penetrating through walls.
it doesnt really ensure that at all if you watch videos on the hornady theres plenty of times where they do not fully open or expand. however the rounded tip densure they feed more reliably than all other hollow points which is actually their biggest pro.
This ammo does work good but I wouldn’t recommend loading these bullets in the chamber multiple times , they push in the projectile a lot easier then normal 9mm brass and lead which can make your gun go boom with this higher power ammo
an acquaintance i have was trying to tell me that the projectile being pushed further into the casing would have zero effect on the round.. he shattered his p320 about a week later at the range while he was clearing his carry mag.
@@sspandchange Funny it was a friend with a p320, because the only pistol ammo I've personally experienced projectile setback in, is sig's v-crown produced during the coof ammo shortage.
@Rhetorical346 Fitting since my friend, who is a boomer, or at least close to it, gave me that advice. I also asked my attorney on retainer about it and he said that's the best way to go about it.
@@CaramelColored you should fine a better attorney, since yours is dumb enough to think anything like that can't be used against you in court. It doesn't really matter though, since you're lying about it. What is your attorney's name?
There are so many good options for carry ammo nowadays it’s so hard to say that one is more superior than the other I myself have always tried to go towards the sig sauer v crown, Hornady self defense, or Speer Gold dot
You are 100% correct man, there are so many great options. I live in a hot state where people don’t wear many layers. The ballistic gel tests of this ammo were very impressive to me/ seemed like a good choice 🇺🇸
Gold Dots are good but the majority of tests ive seen with vcrown or any Hornady bullet always fail to expand when shooting through denim. Every bullet may not fail to expand, but they dont expand nearly as much as gold dots or hst.
G9, critical duty, critical defense, Winchester pdx1, Winchester ranger, federal hst, gold dot.... they are all good just get what runs good in your gun and what you can control
I thought the concept and ballistics of this round were pretty impressive until I tried firing it through all of my handguns. Not all of them cycled. Glad I tested it out instead of finding out in the middle of a self defense scenario
I wouldn't use hollow points for self defense for that reason. It hasn't happened to me using a Glock, but it has happened with other pistols. I'm confident in 124 grain Winchester White box
Liberty performs as well as HST, 1/3 the weight, 1/3 less recoil and the petals sheer off, making 4 distinct, and very destructive wound tracts with large temporary and permanent wound tracks. How is a lighter, yet equally/more effective pistol NOT better??
Great choice. Love civil defense and their options. They also look cool af. So if they have to be used they your defending with chrome. But really the Ultra Light and Subs are my favorite. I think explosive rounds. I do like the blue tips as well haha.
I can confirm that on soft tissue these perform closer to a rifle terminally speaking than any other defense round in 9mm I've encountered. What people fail to take into account with the lack of penetration is that unlike ballistics gel the body has empty pockets inside therefore there isn't as much constant barrier there to resist the fragments as much as you would think. With the amount of tissue you strip with one of these vs a standard hollow point these rely less on the shot placement factor due to how much terrain they cover within the body diameter wise. With any traditional hollow point you need to hit spine, head, or the groin bone structure to get true incapacitating effects isntantaniously. These will take tissue and simply shred it to nothing.
A few years ago I tried these and experienced failure to feed in my first carry pistol. Lightning fast and they sound different than regular ammo. Haven’t tried them in my current carry. Might be a good range test, come to think of it. Still won’t carry them - I like to stick to the basics and know it’ll go bang when I want it to.
I can't carry one cause of dictatorship canada, but I hope to immigrate to the US one day in the next 10 years unless my country turns itself around which I don't see doing (semi auto guns were banned too here recently,) can't even have a semi auto shotgun for home defense or bear defense 😂 When I'm finally able to move there, what state you reccomend I live in and what micro gun reccomendations you got ? I really like the 4" chiappa rhino, it's not super micro but goshdarn are they nice guns 🤪
I have practiced Quickdraw with dummy guns and I'm pretty good , I'm torn btwn a high capacity 1911 or 2011, a micro gun, or a low cap mini revolver in a high caliber cause i don't forsee having to take on more then one or 2 bad guys at a time, and im pretty sure if I headshot the first guy immediately like speedy Gonzalez the other ppl ain't finna want NO MO smoke
I've noticed with the civil defense ammo, The projectile doesn't get set back when chambered So when chambering the same round over and over again, The wrong will have more longevity. Usually this can cause malfunctions with traditional bullets
Ive used this ammo before it works very well in most handguns it's extremely fast and hits very hard. it's appears to be nickel-plated copper which has unusual properties of penetration and expansion.
These are great for exploding pop cans but when you need to stop a 250 lbs man on drugs I'll just use what the police use, thanks 😅 Hornady critical duty 135 gr +p Federal HST 147 gr
I’ve been carrying these in every 9mm I own for years and the LAST thing these are is a “Gimmick Round” 1. They go through 3A PLATES not just soft Kevlar(literally like first video searching liberty civil defense vs body armor) 2. The 50gr bullet gives more velocity(more velocity/speed = more penetration) so the average 1100-1400fps 9mm round won’t get through 3A armor vs this 2000+fps round. Fucking science. 3. Also that 50gr bullet reduces the magazine weight significantly on every gun 4. 30% recoil reduction… Now a gimmick round is the RIP rounds, they look menacing, but are the most inconsistent round produced. Especially after a customer at my shop came in less than a month after taking 5 rounds of 45acp RIP rounds from lower to upper abdomen at a 3-5ft distance and the kid weighed 120lbs and was 5’4” and the kid says quote”the doctor told me if it was any other kind of bullet I would be dead or paralyzed”….again…walking talking a month later from 5 45acp RIP rounds he had the scars and pictures to prove it. Reason he is alive is because some idiot chose RIP rounds because they look cool and are convinced they’ll always kill because it’s in the name. Yet no other round is as inconsistently pressed and formed, no other round performs as inconsistently as RIP’s, no other round will damage your barrel like RIP’s, and no other round fails the minimum penetration standard like the RIP’s. We refuse to sell them in our shop in Atlanta because they just fucking suck. I run a gun store and started shooting competitively since I was 12 -multi-time state champion by 16yo -3rd in nation at 18yo -junior olympics -full ride scholarships -trainer/instructor for the largest indoor range in the state -manager for the oldest gun store in the county Everyone I’ve introduced to Liberty Civil Defense buys 1-3 boxes after seeing them go through armor plates and leaving devastating wound cavities. Armor Piercing Lighter Faster Less Recoil With videos to prove it Vs. Pointy Sharp Bullets…. Do your research yall. Only time I don’t have a mag full of civil defense is in the winter. Then it’s mixed with critical defense so extra layers of clothing doesn’t clog the hollow point. Other than that best rounds available.
@user-se6yk8zm2x What makes the junk? I 223 is 55 grains and traveling at a little over 2000 feet per second. This is sixty grains traveling at about two thousand feet per second. So what I hear is that 223 rounds are junk.... And we all know that's not true!
I carry the Liberty Civil Defense in my p365, excellent ammo for the micro-compacts. 50gr frangible hollow point moving 2100fps from the 3.1” barrel is pretty insane!!!
For the based ones out there: I’m on IG@ landenxtac 😏💯
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It’s very good stuff no doubt but it’s horrible if there is any barrier ie glass door dry wall etc
the gun is great, i really like it and how much does it cost
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Ask 100 people, get 100 different opinions
in everything in general.
Yup exactly
Don’t ask 100 people, still get 100 opinions.
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I like the part where he shows us how effective the round is and why it’s so good
The fact he can load it with a magazine, drop the mag, rack it and catch the round means its the best because it's the only ammo he can do that with 😂
He's asking us our opinions to get a conversation and debate started. Yours might be different but in my experience a question mark at the end of a sentence generally denotes that a question is being asked.
This stuff most likely wouldn’t cycle out of his Glock if it has an oem weight recoil spring assembly as it is a 50grain projectile
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Scary how the video has 125k liles!!🙈
I missed that part?😢
This ammo has light recoil, flashes like a light, and whistles like a bird.
Yeah that's what I want I mean f u k penetration and knockdown power😅
I carry this same ammo and love it. Great description btw lol😂
Lol
Does it cycle well through Glock with an oem weight recoil spring assembly?
@@TheeAppleyes it does. I carry this ammo n my gen5 g26 & my gen4 g19 and it great. Never had an issue
Hornady defense is ultimately the best self defense round there is for all Calibers
Hst, and Winchester ranger have better expansion and fragmenting than horandy.
Hornady barely expands, I have it in 9 and .40 it’s nothing special, acts like a +p fmj
Speer gold dot. Underwood’s to
Yeah probably why 95% of law enforcement uses it. Wait I meant Speer
@@michaelbiniakewitz2329 law enforcement uses the cheapest ammo they can afford to train with
Nah. The explosive rounds from GTA is the right answer
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Don't be a retard it's a video game not the real world.
YOUR CLOWN 🤡 SHUT UP 🙄🙄🙄
5.56 incedinary
You the guy from random server thrown up that sticky bomb 😂😂😂
I carry Sterling silver bullets with a little gold fill just incase I have to fight off vampires or werewolves 👍
Them
Silver bullets are about useless level up with solid copper with African teek wood packed in your hollow points .then your next level for the devils kids to snuff out
@@jamesmac4447 Silver isn't useless.....It will obliterate a vampire in its tracks.
Gold? How is gold good? Never heard of that one. Seems like a vampire ploy just to hoard more wealth
@@charleslevequeiv2277 *the gold is to just stunt on the vampire hoes to let em know i'm really bout it*
I was just going to ask and what do u use for ai robot or cyborg tho??? Do they make electronic or empty bullets yet??? Asking for a friend
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i have this ammo in .38 spec, the recoil with this ammo is miles better than any other i’ve tried
Whoever gets hit with those is having a bad day 😂
Best ballistic performer I have seen is Federal HST.
I will definitely get my hands on some to test it out! Any others you’d recommend?
Hornady critical defense
HST is all I carry. There are other decent rounds on the market (critical defense, speer gold dot, etc), but federal takes the cake in the consistency category. Weight retention and expansion are unmatched.
These go faster the federal hst's.
These 9mm hollows i believe travel at a little over 1800fps.
@@aaroncleveland2579 these are over 2k fps
bet yall didnt know this ammo EATS 3a soft armor, and still expands. this is the hardest hitting hollow point on the market right now, any caliber.
Know anything about the G2 RIP rounds? I bought some hoping I never have to use them but they look terrifying 😳
@@chaksaturner907 these civil defense do the same thing as the g2 rip rounds, but they deliver more energy, so these are better
@@chaksaturner907 have fun using RIP rounds in a court of law
when it gets through armor which it rarely does, its no more than a small 380 slug with no stopping power. there are plenty of better rounds than this and the rip rounds. federal hst and honrady critical duty do hit harder and Penatrates farther while remaining a 9mm slug and keeping its petals. This is just a gimmick. Use whatever you guys feel is trustworthy but seriously go and shoot some meat and you'll see the difference.
@@gunsandgaming7634 these are no gimmick, i highly recommend watching their ballistic gel test. they fragment in a star burst and the rear puck penetrates 12 inches, it causes massive catastrophic bleeding. the rip rounds are a gimmick, but the civil defense took that gimmick and made it efficient. the civil defense 9mm has more fpe on expansion than any federal or hornady, they even have better numbers than buffalo bore. please watch the ballistic gel test and get back to me, okay?
Glock 43X + PSA Micro 15 round mags: By far the best edc combo.
Idk man, the X-Macro with a comp is pretty slick. Similar size, 2 extra rounds of capacity, and an integral compensator make it hard to ignore. Sure the trigger sucks, but we're comparing it to a Glock, soooo...
I like g48 more. P365 xxl slide is also sweet. 43x and p365 xl are just too short, the grip keeps sticking out of my shirt. And I'm only 5'6
Glock=1980's perfection!
@@lenculpepper9150 Exactly! Too bad it's 2024.
@@ccoryell95yeah but I’ve seen many videos of the x macro not shooting when the trigger is fully depressed and then they shake the gun and it fires.. Wouldn’t trust my life with it tbh
I've noticed no one praises Winchester JHP and that's the one I buy all the time...
Because people love to larp as experts and super tacticool operators, so they mainly use HSTs or Gold Dots like a lot of LEOs, or other more hyped up rounds. Basic winchester white box JHPs are fine but they're made to a price point and not particularly amazing as far as consistent expansion from what I've seen. They do the job though and you can't deny the value for money.
Terminal ballistics ftw. This is indeed the best.
Superficial wounds and nothing more
@@DB-sd3cw Liberty managed to sell these idiots just an empty jacket of a jhp and they all think it’s the greatest thing ever lol
I'd like to see the two idiots above me laugh about its "superficial wounding" when they take a few of these to the chest. Unless you're wearing rifle plates, you ain't safe.
Lol try G9 EHP. Better in every metric.
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The civil defense is my go to carry ammo. I have it in every caliber that i carry, even .223
@lil Merica clearly you have never fired it at gel or even water jugs. It has a velocity over 2000fps and shooting at a simple jug of water was even a surprise when i went to pick up the jug and was instead picking up pieces of it. Anytime i get a new carry gun i always buy double, some to carry and some to shoot to make sure it functions well in that weapon
Can't beat good old spear gold dots
For when your target is not only a bad guy, but a vampire as well.
HST or Underwood extreme defense is the best carry ammo right now for serious use
Buffalo bore too
Buffalo Bore too
Lehigh makes the actual bullet for the underwood xtreme defender
I believe those underwood’s were tested and seemed to over penetrate for defense ammo
@@5five6rudy link?
in my humble opinion, USA ready winchester hollow points, critical defense by hornady, and PMC hollow points are all viable choices as well.
Just stick to HST’s and speer gold dot far better performance than the ones u listed
@@nokizzy5622 I like Speer as well, harder to find in my area
Your absolutely correct, great response and thanks for sharing
Definitely solid choices
Yeah I do use ammo as well
how many times have you seen this? Me: YES
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Federal HST, Remongton Gold Saber, and Speer Gold Dot are the top anti-personnel performers that i have seenfrom 3-5" semi autos.
I'm carrying G9 external hollow points and love them!
It’s great. Extremely light, yet has a good kick. My VP9 holds 20 rounds and mag feels empty. Great for daily carry
Yes they are. Most people say they don’t go deep enough. The shortest I have seen was 8 inches on gel blocks. And it looks like a cherry bomb went off inside. 8 inches is going to hit organs on anybody. I even seen these make a pig shoulder look like meat mush.
And the still work the same out of short barrel pistols.
Very important detail! Only comment I've found truly valuable, thank you.
I going to say they same thing I do when people bring up a 22lr let me test the deadlines on you...all the sudden people have random faith in it🤣
As Brandon Herrera once famously said
"if she cant handle the steel, she don't deserve the brass"
Probably not steel, probably nickel coated brass
That’s nickel platted brass but act like you know what you’re talking about it’s okay
I know a vet who once said "Your not in the infantry. Why tf does it matter if you have brass or steel? You dont use it it enough to make a difference."
Its nickel plated brass.
Thats a nickel plated cartridge
Federal HST…. Still the KING.
True
Try the 118 grain fluted rounds they make you 43x shoot like a 19 smooth
Does that even mean?
@@tyrekjohnson6432 ua-cam.com/video/jnFwr2ycgXk/v-deo.html
Yessir
They make a subcompact shoot as smooth as a compact
I prefer TPAC's 115 JHP equalizers
Forget everything you think you know. The best carry ammo is whatever your local law enforcement is carrying. Iykyk!
These are way better! These are supersonic rounds! They travel at 2200fps! Twice as fast as most rounds
You think your local pd gets good gear😅😅😅😅 thats funny
My agency has tested these and they were unbelievably good on soft targets while also traveling at 2000 fps(solid copper-goes right through a ballistic vest)and cycled fine in our Glock 19’s and 17’s.Too bad the powers that be went with Speer Gold Dot instead(not a bad round at all)due to cost.
Now this is an asmr I can get use to
For some reason, the ONLY self defense ammo I can truly rely on is 147 Grain Federal HST 🤷♂️
Same here it’s too consistent to beat for me.
@@seanfennesy1642 Exactly. It's gonna consistently expand & do the job every single time!!!!
No doubt
I run HST too, but acting like it's the ONLY SD round you can rely on is a tad myopic. Gold dot is arguably just as good.
@@asdfghjk2933 You know what, you're right. I'm sure there's other self defense ammo out there that probably functions just as good... To be completely honest, I'm a little bias when it comes to Federal HSTs because it's literally all I've ever known. My whole life I've ran nothing but Federal HSTs in my EDC gun because of how much evidence & testing supports it. That being said, unless for some reason they stop making Federal HSTs... ima still stick with it when it comes to my EDC ammo 😅 lmaoooo anyways, I hope you have a great day & remember to stay dangerous!! 😈
We need more fr🔥🔥😭
IMO there isn’t a best carry gun or ammo, but there’s certainly top tier choices
Only types of ammo i will carry are ones that pass barrier and ballitics tests. Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Hornady Critical Duty (NOT critical defense) are the only three i will carry
Speer g2 pass as well
Spear gold dot, federal HST, Underwood Xtreme Defender, and Hornady Critical defense are my go-to.
Yeah Hornady is what my dad gave me a bunch of with my 9
hornady critical defense has FTF issues in both of my .40 Glocks. wouldn't recommend in .40
You need the Critical Duty not the Critical Defense, hornady makes great munitions, and critcial defense is a decent option but there are better choices out there
@@Grooove_e facts I carry the 135 grain
@@anonymousglocky yep, so does the FBI and that's why I do as well
It's super light, and super fast, but the only time I've had any ammo jam in my APX A1, it was these. The sharp edge at the tip got hung up entering the barrel. This happened twice, once I attributed to a poorly seated magazine, the other though was strictly do to the ammo design.
this ammo is so light and hits hard. love this shit
This stuff has some of the best expansion of any round I've ever shot. I carry it in my .45acp , .38 special, 9mm and my .380
Expansion is great and all but only if it does it reliably. Maybe these are good, idk, but the reason Federal HST, Spear Gold Dot, and Hornady Critical Defense are so sought after is due to their ability to expand regardless of “obstacles” (denim, doors, etc.) in their way. There are many companies making rounds with greater expansion than the ones mentioned, yet they fall short where it counts: consistency. I personally trust the ballistic engineers/experts at Federal, I couldn’t trust a no-name company like this
@@ko4otv43 interesting round that’s for sure, would like to see it with organic ballistics gel (not the clear stuff, very different). In my opinion, this is all speculative and by no means am I an expert, but these seem like they would be a good choice against a threat wearing light body armor (like a cop… lol), maybe not your best choice against the average criminal. According to the FBI, Pistol bullets should penetrate 12-18” through organic ballistic gel with 4 layers of denim to corroborate to the maximum amount of energy that can be dispersed into the human body under most circumstances. For how easily these zip past level IIIa body armor, it makes me think these would easily over-penetrate if your target isn’t wearing armor, basically creating a similar ordeal to the m855 round
@DankSandwich well as far as I'm concerned most gun fights happen within 10 yards and I don't want to much penetration either. If I go through my target with something that can go 18 inches that could lead to more trouble. As far as the FBI goes I don't even want to get started on that subject.
They're in my 380 edc pocket gun. Tiny ammo like that reaching around 1500 f/s is no joke. Out of a 9mm, they're around 2000 f/s. That is straight nasty
@@DankSandwich Paul Harrell also has a thorough review of this ammo. I consider him a trustworthy source of tests & data on UA-cam.
I’m glad this video has led to discussions like this. It’s interesting to hear what people decide to carry, and why.
HST or Gold dots only at this point. Some of those underwood loaded leheighs though look promising!
A lot of people have recommended those. What are the most appealing factors about them to you?
@@landenx Federal HST 124. The non plus P
@@landenx ive noticed the same lately.
Shootingthebull410 has done a video covering carry ammo for compact guns. IMO the most controlled, comprehensive comparison between hollow points.
@@landenx they do something called (PWC) permanent wound cavity. Basically maximizing energy output through wound cavitation. Assuming they call it “permanent” because you ain’t coming back after getting popped in the chest with 1. I carry these 70-90gr Xtreme defenders in +p.
This is 54 grain ammo that weight like 1/5th of your normal ammo, and it will go through 3A+ body armor if you wondering
Speer gold dot 124 grain. Personal favorite
Seconded
Speer gold dot and Federal HST are the gold standard imo.
Hornady critical duty/defense and Sig Sauer Vcrown perform pretty well in my Glocks but aren't as good. I personally haven't tried the Civil Liberty.
Honestly, most jhp and even 124 grain nato will do the job. You just have to be aware of over penetration with some including Critical Duty.
“Speer Gold Dot” tell me you’re a cop without telling me you’re a cop
Critical defense is definitely top 3 overall
Over penetration isn't really a issue with Civil liberty. It's such a light round with a huge hollow point, traveling 2k fps...it's going to expand and loose almost all of its energy upon impact.
@@CatskillOneWell, they are the best after all
@@CatskillOnethey do what they do. Never been a cop, the round speaks for itself. In my home defense it's a 165 speer gold dot. In my carry it's a 124 or 200 good dot
Civil defense will penetrate 3A body armor. But not 3A+ or level 4 plates. Some strong stuff. This goes 2040 fps. All those who are recommending other rounds are doing so because they don't wanna spend $2 per round lol
No one wears body armor in public stop
@@dominiquedaughtrey6622 if that’s the case these civilian body armor companies would be out of business.
You better be able to train with it. It's so light that even training with 115 gr your point of impact is gonna be way WAY off.
Is it good for self defense?? Will this round go through the target( self defense)??
@@dominiquedaughtrey6622the mass murderer at my local supermarket was wearing body armor tf u mean😂
i love the nickel plating on the brass. has such a nice look to it
Federal HST gang rise up
Those babies fly man love liberty ammo just dont like the price sometimes. Those hollows move though no cap
They cost 38$ here 1box of 20 😢 1st time I shot it surprised me to on how it moves so fast but the kick is so light compared to other rounds
I don't have a cap gun either, fun as a kid, not effective for self defense.
@DeepNuts
Go back to the basics of physics and then tell me how a round that recoils less, delivers more energy to a target.
Yessir I’m running those in my edc
Love the stippling on the grip 👍
Love the assertiveness 😮
PSA: NOT JERSEY LEGAL FOR SELF DEFENSE CARRY AMMO!!!! Use hornady critical duty
Screw new jersey. Horrible corrupted anti-gun state with terrible unconstitutional gun laws
The only difference between Critical Defense and Critical Duty is that Duty is more barrier blind, which is what you want in law enforcement. Not so much in civilian carry. Stick with Critical Defense.
No.... leave shithole jersey
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Power Ball ammunition is my choice. It's a little expensive, but it's a surgeon's worst nightmare when it does a one foot by one foot expansion.
Lmao wtf are you carrying one of those dumbass useless deagles?
I had never heard of that ammo until your comment. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
yea cause youve shot how many people yall are so lame i bet u support cops😂😂😂 most of the gun community are posers
Windfall 9mm round are unbelievable. Best I've ever shot.
The biggest pro about these is that since it's a 50gr bullet in a +P cartridge, they travel at over 2000 feet per second. Typical 9mm is usually around 1100-1200.
Hornady critical defense is my go to in my edc
I had bought 2 cases of this ammo and ran it in my new Gen 3. Needless to say, it jammed every 2-4 shots
Are you serious 😅
That's why ex sof use fmj for self defense. No jams in the middle of a shooting.
I'm going to call bullshit
Learn to shoot
Are you limp wristing? I've shot these in my Shield (4" barrel) AND my home defense pistol (M&P fullsize) with not one single jam. I've been through at least 3 boxes already. S&W works, no matter what ammo I put in them!!!!!
I've also run Libery through my G17 and my LCP Max with no issues.....
R.I.P.s are the best pistol defense ammo on the planet. 9 wound channels created from every round and doesn’t overpenetrate so you’re not shooting through your threat and potentially hitting someone unintended
Everyone in the weeds about hollow points while im carrying FMJ
@Jay-eu5zq doesn't matter your still going to blow their lungs out
Better warn the innocent that are behind the target.
@@kepkramer9091 they don't need a warning everyone within 100 miles lungs are gonna be blown out
@@billybob-gb6ol the problem with that is collateral you don’t wanna over penetrate and hit a innocent
@@FlyAwayChi RIP rounds obviously
I’ve used these against soft targets in my .40 and it blew a massive hole in it. The entry wounds look like the exit of my 180 grain hollow points. It does massive damage!! Don’t expect a lot of penetration though. I personally love carrying this as it weighs less than half of what a normal full mag weighs.
Yes! Massive energy dump, low penetration. Good for hot climates where multiple layers of clothing aren’t common/ if you have concerns of over penetrating through walls.
@@landenx are clothes really that much of a big deal for HP?
@@zeppkfw these are like 50g projectiles, look up Paul Harrells video on them for a thorough review
@@zeppkfwbasic answer : yes.
Hp usually have gap, that snag to cloth fiber, because the bullet is spinning.
I prefer something with a prefilled cavity like DUTY or critical defense, ensuring the cavity will open when it hits the target
it doesnt really ensure that at all if you watch videos on the hornady theres plenty of times where they do not fully open or expand. however the rounded tip densure they feed more reliably than all other hollow points which is actually their biggest pro.
Segmented blue hollows for the win
I love the people who understand that you never need to talk during a firearm demonstration video. The hardware always speaks for itself. 😚👌
Buffalo bore or underwood ftw
In the last couple years I added black hills lead free to my list of "acceptable" carry ammo.
This ammo does work good but I wouldn’t recommend loading these bullets in the chamber multiple times , they push in the projectile a lot easier then normal 9mm brass and lead which can make your gun go boom with this higher power ammo
an acquaintance i have was trying to tell me that the projectile being pushed further into the casing would have zero effect on the round.. he shattered his p320 about a week later at the range while he was clearing his carry mag.
@@sspandchange the p320 was probably just mad It couldn’t shoot him.
@@Trollinskyy if you knew the guy you’d wish it would’ve
Setback can cause oopsie daisies.
Friends don’t let friends science
@@sspandchange
Funny it was a friend with a p320, because the only pistol ammo I've personally experienced projectile setback in, is sig's v-crown produced during the coof ammo shortage.
Rule of thumb, find out what your local law enforcement uses, then only use that since it can't be used against you in court.
this is some high level boomer logic here
@Rhetorical346 Fitting since my friend, who is a boomer, or at least close to it, gave me that advice. I also asked my attorney on retainer about it and he said that's the best way to go about it.
@@CaramelColored you should fine a better attorney, since yours is dumb enough to think anything like that can't be used against you in court.
It doesn't really matter though, since you're lying about it.
What is your attorney's name?
EXACTLY 🔥🫡🇺🇸
There are so many good options for carry ammo nowadays it’s so hard to say that one is more superior than the other I myself have always tried to go towards the sig sauer v crown, Hornady self defense, or Speer Gold dot
You are 100% correct man, there are so many great options. I live in a hot state where people don’t wear many layers. The ballistic gel tests of this ammo were very impressive to me/ seemed like a good choice 🇺🇸
Gold Dots are good but the majority of tests ive seen with vcrown or any Hornady bullet always fail to expand when shooting through denim. Every bullet may not fail to expand, but they dont expand nearly as much as gold dots or hst.
Do they run good in the taurus g3 or g3c models?
Spear gold dot, it’s good enough for the cops to use lol
Yoooo!!! I’m from Arizona too and when you named your horse Randy, my mouth dropped because that’s my name!! 🤣🤣 I’m happy to be your horse 🥲🙏🏽❤️ lol 😂
I’ve been carrying Liberty for 2 years now. Light as a feather!
Tell me more. Why is it so light compared to others? Thanks.✅
@@khidaral-mukhtaar7327extremely deep hollow point cavity
Wait a minute a metal Glock mag !!
I knew i wasnt the only one who noticed
Shields arms mag for more capacity
Sig Sauer JHP have never let me down!
Sig Sauer has maybe the most problems with unreliability of any major gun brand.
Huh@@dado380
What was the point of loading it and then ejecting it?😂😂😂😂
Views?
the end when you cock the gun sounds like a resident evil 4 sound
Great ammo - weird part is that I have to double check that my mag is actually loaded because this stuff is so lightweight
Most American asmr
Agreed! The ultra lights 50 grain are pretty nasty too. 2,000 fps 450+ ft lbs
G9, critical duty, critical defense, Winchester pdx1, Winchester ranger, federal hst, gold dot.... they are all good just get what runs good in your gun and what you can control
I thought the concept and ballistics of this round were pretty impressive until I tried firing it through all of my handguns. Not all of them cycled. Glad I tested it out instead of finding out in the middle of a self defense scenario
100% glad you tested it for yourself. Very smart move with any gun + ammo combo you plan on running.
I wouldn't use hollow points for self defense for that reason. It hasn't happened to me using a Glock, but it has happened with other pistols. I'm confident in 124 grain Winchester White box
That's the reason many ex sof use fmj for edc. No jams in the middle of a shooting .
Federal HST is the best hands down
I’ll have to get my hands on some!
Liberty performs as well as HST, 1/3 the weight, 1/3 less recoil and the petals sheer off, making 4 distinct, and very destructive wound tracts with large temporary and permanent wound tracks. How is a lighter, yet equally/more effective pistol NOT better??
Bro your hands make that slim pistols look thick as fuck
Great choice. Love civil defense and their options. They also look cool af. So if they have to be used they your defending with chrome. But really the Ultra Light and Subs are my favorite. I think explosive rounds. I do like the blue tips as well haha.
Run them in a 43x and they smack like a .40
I can confirm that on soft tissue these perform closer to a rifle terminally speaking than any other defense round in 9mm I've encountered. What people fail to take into account with the lack of penetration is that unlike ballistics gel the body has empty pockets inside therefore there isn't as much constant barrier there to resist the fragments as much as you would think. With the amount of tissue you strip with one of these vs a standard hollow point these rely less on the shot placement factor due to how much terrain they cover within the body diameter wise. With any traditional hollow point you need to hit spine, head, or the groin bone structure to get true incapacitating effects isntantaniously. These will take tissue and simply shred it to nothing.
Thank you for the thoughtful & insightful comment.
Love those but I also am a huge fan of the Hornady Critical Defense rounds. 😊
A few years ago I tried these and experienced failure to feed in my first carry pistol. Lightning fast and they sound different than regular ammo.
Haven’t tried them in my current carry. Might be a good range test, come to think of it.
Still won’t carry them - I like to stick to the basics and know it’ll go bang when I want it to.
The fact that these hp will punch thru 3a armor and still expand makes them a game changer for all calibers.
If anyone is running a micro gun as EDC this ammo should be the best option less recoil impulse & faster follow up shots
I can't carry one cause of dictatorship canada, but I hope to immigrate to the US one day in the next 10 years unless my country turns itself around which I don't see doing (semi auto guns were banned too here recently,) can't even have a semi auto shotgun for home defense or bear defense 😂
When I'm finally able to move there, what state you reccomend I live in and what micro gun reccomendations you got ?
I really like the 4" chiappa rhino, it's not super micro but goshdarn are they nice guns 🤪
I have practiced Quickdraw with dummy guns and I'm pretty good , I'm torn btwn a high capacity 1911 or 2011, a micro gun, or a low cap mini revolver in a high caliber cause i don't forsee having to take on more then one or 2 bad guys at a time, and im pretty sure if I headshot the first guy immediately like speedy Gonzalez the other ppl ain't finna want NO MO smoke
I've noticed with the civil defense ammo, The projectile doesn't get set back when chambered So when chambering the same round over and over again, The wrong will have more longevity. Usually this can cause malfunctions with traditional bullets
Ive used this ammo before it works very well in most handguns it's extremely fast and hits very hard. it's appears to be nickel-plated copper which has unusual properties of penetration and expansion.
take the plate off. grind the post off and grind front ones down about 1/16th. put spartan operator style sights & you're ready to rock 💪
I’ve never heard of that setup before, definitely going to look into it 😤👊🏼
When the ammo costs the same as the chinese optic.
Not too familiar with red dots I see
Nothing wrong with holosun.
Holosun is neck to neck with eotech lol do some research youngster
Somebody’s jealous they can’t afford it
That's so cool how you have no idea what you're talking about but you commented anyway. 😂
Hornady is priced well and always works
Bro those birds in the back ground man , I’ve not heard them in ages
These are great for exploding pop cans but when you need to stop a 250 lbs man on drugs I'll just use what the police use, thanks 😅
Hornady critical duty 135 gr +p
Federal HST 147 gr
I'm sure you have to deal with those guys all the time, chief
@@bigboysdotcom745you only need to deal with them ones if you’re not prepared it’ll be your downfall
Federal sucks lol
@@cjeatspaint exactly why I wear a bulletproof vest to the bathroom
Preach. Throw Gold Dot in there, too
I’ve been carrying these in every 9mm I own for years and the LAST thing these are is a “Gimmick Round”
1. They go through 3A PLATES not just soft Kevlar(literally like first video searching liberty civil defense vs body armor)
2. The 50gr bullet gives more velocity(more velocity/speed = more penetration) so the average 1100-1400fps 9mm round won’t get through 3A armor vs this 2000+fps round. Fucking science.
3. Also that 50gr bullet reduces the magazine weight significantly on every gun
4. 30% recoil reduction…
Now a gimmick round is the RIP rounds, they look menacing, but are the most inconsistent round produced. Especially after a customer at my shop came in less than a month after taking 5 rounds of 45acp RIP rounds from lower to upper abdomen at a 3-5ft distance and the kid weighed 120lbs and was 5’4” and the kid says quote”the doctor told me if it was any other kind of bullet I would be dead or paralyzed”….again…walking talking a month later from 5 45acp RIP rounds he had the scars and pictures to prove it.
Reason he is alive is because some idiot chose RIP rounds because they look cool and are convinced they’ll always kill because it’s in the name. Yet no other round is as inconsistently pressed and formed, no other round performs as inconsistently as RIP’s, no other round will damage your barrel like RIP’s, and no other round fails the minimum penetration standard like the RIP’s. We refuse to sell them in our shop in Atlanta because they just fucking suck.
I run a gun store and started shooting competitively since I was 12
-multi-time state champion by 16yo
-3rd in nation at 18yo
-junior olympics
-full ride scholarships
-trainer/instructor for the largest indoor range in the state
-manager for the oldest gun store in the county
Everyone I’ve introduced to Liberty Civil Defense buys 1-3 boxes after seeing them go through armor plates and leaving devastating wound cavities.
Armor Piercing
Lighter
Faster
Less Recoil
With videos to prove it
Vs.
Pointy Sharp Bullets….
Do your research yall.
Only time I don’t have a mag full of civil defense is in the winter. Then it’s mixed with critical defense so extra layers of clothing doesn’t clog the hollow point. Other than that best rounds available.
Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Unlike many here.
I agree, except I go Critical duty rather than Defense. Critical duty more barrier blind than Defense.
tl/dr: these are still junk.
@user-se6yk8zm2x What makes the junk? I 223 is 55 grains and traveling at a little over 2000 feet per second. This is sixty grains traveling at about two thousand feet per second. So what I hear is that 223 rounds are junk....
And we all know that's not true!
@@user-se6yk8zm2x that's your opinion. Facts prove otherwise.
RIP just came out with one similar that isn't as loud but just as effective
Ah yes werewolf killers
I carry the Liberty Civil Defense in my p365, excellent ammo for the micro-compacts. 50gr frangible hollow point moving 2100fps from the 3.1” barrel is pretty insane!!!
@@SC-gg3pwyep
Hornady critical defense never let me down.
You’ve also never used it in a self defense situation so thats probably why
@@shoreamaze177shot hundreds through my Carry pistol. Never let me down.
G43x my favorite pistol