With this, 10 concerti, other concerted works, magnificent opera and choral works, 5 symphonies, and a ton of chamber and solo pieces.......I still cannot get enough St. Saens!!
@@BaconBeast11 I said that, in _comparison_ to the others I mentioned, he seems underrated. I acknowledge the fact that a lot of people listen to his works.
@@christianvennemann9008 Mahler, scriabin, or ravel I consider true examples of being underrated. Saint-Saëns gets his due credit. Especially compared to the myriad of other composure who dont even get their due credit for the fantastic work they created.
It is an absolutely amazing fact that as far as mankind has found in mathematics , physics, science and technology; it touches not 1/10th in the gift God gives us in music. This is perfect work is but another testament to that soul language.
Rick Shafer Except music theory is grounded by mathematics since Pythagoras. In fact, modern mathematical techniques such as category theory are being used develop contemporary music theory even to this day. It’s time to consider reading a book before you post.
i wouldn't agree with either of you, really. music is great, but i wouldn't compare it to science in the slightest. secondarily, while the frequency ratios of notes are defined mathematically, there's very little actual math that goes into musical analysis (unless we're talking about certain types of nonstandard analysis). there's very little connection in music to number theory, analysis, geometry, algebra etc, unless you go out of your way to build those connections. sure, category theory CAN be used, but if you look at actual composers through the ages, very few of them approached music in that way.
Sure, but the universality of mathematics cannot be ignored when discussing what makes music beautiful. The composers themselves may not know category theory, but that doesn't mean music does not have a formal structure. It's true that rational numbers are merely part of the Pythagorean model for music, but it is still a remarkable fact that the composers and musical analysts that follow, despite not employing mathematics, still composed and analyzed music that exhibit these mathematical structures. Though I agree with your sentiment. Music and mathematics are different manifestations of beauty - or gift from God, if you will - and exalting one while diminishing the other shows complete arrogance and ignorance.
@@FckingLOL How did you miss the point so badly? Music IS audible math. The soul language - music is based on mathematics, just as the laws of nature - physics. Or are the only things in existence what you can understand ? Take your own advice and start reading.
Rick Shafer “Audible math” LMAO listen to yourself. Classic Dunning-Kruger at work. There are things like melody and orchestration that cannot be modelled mathematically, similar to how semantics cannot be modelled by mathematics while grammar can in languages. How can something be “audible math” if a huge chunk of it has nothing to do with math? Absolutely absurd. Again, read a book for once since you seem to have never done it before in your life.
Many of the comments here just don't get it ! Yes, this is not African music ! It's a man's musical impressions of Africa ! Poetic license, if you will !
North Africa that is. Algeria, Morocco, possibly Egypt. Saint Saens was there often. The melodies are def. influenced by music he heard there. Little did he know that most don't read information of where, what, how and why.
I'm here because I wanted to become better at sight reading complex piano pieces and youtube suggested this bewitching sinfonia concertante SYKE I heard the drums echoing tonight -this post was made by viola gang
@@christianvennemann9008 I feel like the inference here is that I (?) missed the metaphor here. I get that typing this stuff makes it a bit of a grey area, but I was staging an attack on the stereotypical floral ponsy classical appreciation.
@@jameswilson807 The original comment was a reference to some lyrics in the Toto song "Africa," so it was a joke referring to it having the same title as this piece.
How do I find Saint Saens Africa recording for the orchestra but without the piano solo to practice with? And the piano scores. Thanks. The Music Minus One seems doesn’t have this piece.
For a white man in the 19th century, this is surprisingly captivating, colorful and, in parts, authentic piece of music inspired by the locations and cultures he visited and so admired. People in these comments that say that this sounds nothing like Africa clearly don't know much about North Africa... Of course it's filtered through his classically trained European lens, but what did you expect? That's what makes it such an interesting combination.
The original poster is unbearably condescending towards what was the most civilised period and region in the history of the modern world (by which I mean the West in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries). We still are the most civilised, I suppose, but have degraded since then. In any case, this piece is indeed "captivating" and "colourful," but to say these qualities are "surprising" is a tremendous insult.
@@bmort1313 B.S. It is too daunting for contestants. Cliché is a word for those who find themselves inadequate. You tell me Mort, why are there so many recordings of this piece?
They're literally not challenging enough. Very difficult concerti? Yes, definitely (and some of my favorite works btw!). However, they do not rise to the depth of interpretation, nor technical and musical challenges, of concerti from Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, etc. and thus are not competitive with other choices that contestants will bring. You're shooting yourself in the foot bringing a Saint-Saens to a concerto competition, unless it's a youth competition. I would say that they are good choices for college level and under concerto competitions, though. I even played Saint-Saens 2 (all 3 movements) as the runner-up in a competition when I was 19, so I know whereof I speak. (I later won a competition at 21 with Beethoven's 3rd, and then runner up again with Prokofiev 1 after that). Cheers.
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"Molto svincolato...", francamente non credo, però si tratta appunto di impressioni personali. Ciò che è certo è che ci sono pezzi almeno altrettanto e anche più sincopati prima di questo, basta poco per trovarli. :-) Comunque, quello che mi incuriosisce molto del suo commento è il giudizio "Molto sincopato", cioè basta una linea appena diversa da un 2/4 per rendere "esotico" un passaggio? È questo che mi stupisce, nel 2018 di certo questi passaggi suonano molto lineari A ME, ma evidentemente è tutto molto relativo. Saluti!
@@ratibor_shevchenko La sincope era chiamata così perché dava quell'effetto sorpresa, soprattutto nella musica classica. Dal ragtime in poi (lett. "Tempo Strapazzato"), se ne è fatto un uso sempre più largo e meno legato all'effetto sorpresa, ed hanno preso piede i "ritmi sincopati" (rumba, calipso, bossa, salsa, reggae, in parte il rock'n'roll, naturalmente il jazz...), i quali un po' erano figli di danze popolari, come l'antichissima e sincopatissima Ciaccona, poi levigata dai razionalisti bianchi, un po' erano nuovi. Adesso si parla, più propriamente, di accenti "off beat", ossia fuori pulsazione metrica (entità immaginaria ma fondamentale, legata al battito del cuore, ai passi e alla razionalità del tempo). La regolarità della metrica, ossia di queste pulsazioni "mentali", è una caratteristica leggermente diversa dalla linearità del ritmo, che è legato invece al respiro. Ovvio poi che queste cose dipendano da quali strumenti si usino: se c'è la batteria a portare il tempo, esplicitando le pulsazioni, il ritmo sarà portato da altri strumenti; altre volte il canto "va a tempo" e le percussioni sincopano.
You have to realize that to Saint-Saëns, "Africa" primarily meant Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt - not sub-Saharan Africa but Arab Africa on the Mediterranean coast. At the end of his life, he would normally spend winters in Algiers (where he died in 1921).
Bom Cabedal so you agree. This piece proves Saint-Saëns was inexplicably forced to spend his winters in a foreign land while pining for the rolling pastoral hills of Jumièges. Glad we're on the same page. 👍🏻
@@AnthonyLeighDunstan That's rather a rash conclusion. S-S loved being in Algeria, and this is hardly the only composition of his that testifies to that.
Bom Cabedal hahaha, ok, aside from the fact it was a joke, his use of traditional North African songs and dances is honestly quite watered down with European idioms. As brilliant as he was, his melodies may be direct transcriptions but it's clear they passed through a fairly dense European filter. As much as I love and admire this piece, Saint-Saëns' fear of percussion certainly didn't help his intention to compose an homage to an area of the world he clearly loved. This is what I hear and can see in the score. So it might be my opinion but is also consistent with his handling of similar materials. He has an extremely distinct flavour so perhaps this is a factor. And therefore, perhaps he could've retitled the work "A view of Africa from my window in France". (That was a joke too. 😜)
@@AnthonyLeighDunstan Good points. Alas, jokes don't always carry across that well in YT comments; more frequently it's a douchebag. Sorry. And I do agree with you; my main beef was that so many people forget about the entire existence of super-Saharan Africa.
Is this supposed to be his idea about African music? Is it a musical fantasy on the "idea" of Africa? Is it a celebration of the European conquests in Africa? Rather enigmatic. The music itself obviously sounds nothing like the various forms of musics found all over the continent. Nor does it sound anything like those uncomfortable parodies of African music one might hear in unenlightened Hollywood films (yes, I'd include "Lion King" in that category). So I'm left wondering what he was trying to do.
Africa as in North Africa as in Algeria. Saint Saens spent lots of time there and wrote many works influenced by that region. His 5th Piano Concerto is another example.
@@bartjebartmans Ah! Hmm. Not sure how I feel about a conservative French composer (politically) writing about his time in Algiers. Something tells me Camus would have a field day. But thank you for the illuminating comment!
Bless the rains
Alexa play Africa by saint saens
Ok. Now playing Africa by Toto.
@@steffen5121 LOL. Alexa you're fired!
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@@joachimmaxmilianbach5492 ????????
🎶 I bless Saint-Saëns down in Africa 🎶
I thought this was a classical version of Africa but I was not disappointed
it is
@@bmjessep he means the song Africa by Toto, I believe.
The score says that there is Timpani right off the bat, but I don't hear the drums echoin' tonight.
With this, 10 concerti, other concerted works, magnificent opera and choral works, 5 symphonies, and a ton of chamber and solo pieces.......I still cannot get enough St. Saens!!
10 concerti? There are 5?
@@Bozzigmupp violin concerti and cello concerti
@@kruloon9381 Thank you
ha! Saint-Saëns did it first
What a fantastic but still an underrated composer Camille Saint-Saëns was ....
My boy Saint-Saëns isnt underrated
@@BaconBeast11 Compared to Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt, and Rachmaninoff, Saint-Saëns definitely seems underrated, at least in my opinion.
@@christianvennemann9008 Hes literally one of the more well known composers. Millions of people listen to his works.
@@BaconBeast11 I said that, in _comparison_ to the others I mentioned, he seems underrated. I acknowledge the fact that a lot of people listen to his works.
@@christianvennemann9008 Mahler, scriabin, or ravel I consider true examples of being underrated. Saint-Saëns gets his due credit. Especially compared to the myriad of other composure who dont even get their due credit for the fantastic work they created.
Camille Saint-Saëns:Afrika Op.89
1.Molto allegro - Cadenza ad libitum - Andante espressivo 00:00
2.Allegro - Tranquillo 02:55
3.Tempo primo (Molto allegro) - Animato 04:50
Jean-Philippe Collard-zongora
Royal Filharmonikus Zenekar
Vezényel:André Previn
Toto aint shit
Lol!
Just another underrated masterpiece.
An amazing piece by Saint-saens. Greetings, Maria
It is an absolutely amazing fact that as far as mankind has found in mathematics , physics, science and technology; it touches not 1/10th in the gift God gives us in music. This is perfect work is but another testament to that soul language.
Rick Shafer Except music theory is grounded by mathematics since Pythagoras. In fact, modern mathematical techniques such as category theory are being used develop contemporary music theory even to this day.
It’s time to consider reading a book before you post.
i wouldn't agree with either of you, really.
music is great, but i wouldn't compare it to science in the slightest. secondarily, while the frequency ratios of notes are defined mathematically, there's very little actual math that goes into musical analysis (unless we're talking about certain types of nonstandard analysis). there's very little connection in music to number theory, analysis, geometry, algebra etc, unless you go out of your way to build those connections. sure, category theory CAN be used, but if you look at actual composers through the ages, very few of them approached music in that way.
Sure, but the universality of mathematics cannot be ignored when discussing what makes music beautiful. The composers themselves may not know category theory, but that doesn't mean music does not have a formal structure. It's true that rational numbers are merely part of the Pythagorean model for music, but it is still a remarkable fact that the composers and musical analysts that follow, despite not employing mathematics, still composed and analyzed music that exhibit these mathematical structures.
Though I agree with your sentiment. Music and mathematics are different manifestations of beauty - or gift from God, if you will - and exalting one while diminishing the other shows complete arrogance and ignorance.
@@FckingLOL How did you miss the point so badly?
Music IS audible math. The soul language - music is based on mathematics, just as the laws of nature - physics.
Or are the only things in existence what you can understand ?
Take your own advice and start reading.
Rick Shafer “Audible math” LMAO listen to yourself. Classic Dunning-Kruger at work.
There are things like melody and orchestration that cannot be modelled mathematically, similar to how semantics cannot be modelled by mathematics while grammar can in languages. How can something be “audible math” if a huge chunk of it has nothing to do with math? Absolutely absurd.
Again, read a book for once since you seem to have never done it before in your life.
I love this piece!
Many of the comments here just don't get it ! Yes, this is not African music ! It's a man's musical impressions of Africa !
Poetic license, if you will !
North Africa that is. Algeria, Morocco, possibly Egypt. Saint Saens was there often. The melodies are def. influenced by music he heard there. Little did he know that most don't read information of where, what, how and why.
Mentioning also Tunisia 🇹🇳
Belíssimo... Bravo, bravo... sou de Salvador Bahia-Brasil e o mais novo inscrito e fã da boa música.
Grandiose!
This makes perfect listening for a viewing of Henri Rousseau’s paintings.
Bravo brilliance music super
Excellent music this, love it ..
Bella composición ... no sé donde la escuché antes sobretodo esa intro
Nice
I like this music
I'm here because I wanted to become better at sight reading complex piano pieces and youtube suggested this bewitching sinfonia concertante
SYKE
I heard the drums echoing tonight
-this post was made by viola gang
The first motive sound's so much like ethiopian music, wow!
Lovely..
I can hear Kilimanjaro rising above the Serengeti.
I can hear a fucking piano
@@jameswilson807 Someone didn't get the joke...
@@christianvennemann9008 I feel like the inference here is that I (?) missed the metaphor here. I get that typing this stuff makes it a bit of a grey area, but I was staging an attack on the stereotypical floral ponsy classical appreciation.
@@jameswilson807 The original comment was a reference to some lyrics in the Toto song "Africa," so it was a joke referring to it having the same title as this piece.
@@christianvennemann9008 ah shit. I should have got that. Imma go hang myself.
Something about this just SCREAMS: "I am definitely a mad man with a box"
The something is you.
Better than Toto's version.
Nah, it really isn’t.
@@noself1028
Yes it really is.
@@noself1028 Cope, sweet cope.
Has he been to Africa at the time of composing? You can hear him clearly go to Algier at 6:47
If you had read the description you'd know the answer.
How do I find Saint Saens Africa recording for the orchestra but without the piano solo to practice with? And the piano scores. Thanks. The Music Minus One seems doesn’t have this piece.
For a white man in the 19th century, this is surprisingly captivating, colorful and, in parts, authentic piece of music inspired by the locations and cultures he visited and so admired.
People in these comments that say that this sounds nothing like Africa clearly don't know much about North Africa...
Of course it's filtered through his classically trained European lens, but what did you expect? That's what makes it such an interesting combination.
Good thing he wrote it in 1891. Today it would be considered cultural appropriation.
The original poster is unbearably condescending towards what was the most civilised period and region in the history of the modern world (by which I mean the West in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries). We still are the most civilised, I suppose, but have degraded since then. In any case, this piece is indeed "captivating" and "colourful," but to say these qualities are "surprising" is a tremendous insult.
Why isn't the great music of Saint Saens played at international piano competitions?
Because it’s not great, it’s quite cliched at best
@@bmort1313 B.S. It is too daunting for contestants. Cliché is a word for those who find themselves inadequate. You tell me Mort, why are there so many recordings of this piece?
@@bmort1313 listen to the third movement of his second piano concerto and you won't ever even attempt to repeat that sentence
They're literally not challenging enough. Very difficult concerti? Yes, definitely (and some of my favorite works btw!). However, they do not rise to the depth of interpretation, nor technical and musical challenges, of concerti from Prokofiev, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky, Mozart, etc. and thus are not competitive with other choices that contestants will bring.
You're shooting yourself in the foot bringing a Saint-Saens to a concerto competition, unless it's a youth competition. I would say that they are good choices for college level and under concerto competitions, though. I even played Saint-Saens 2 (all 3 movements) as the runner-up in a competition when I was 19, so I know whereof I speak. (I later won a competition at 21 with Beethoven's 3rd, and then runner up again with Prokofiev 1 after that). Cheers.
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Je bénis les pluies
Both this piece and "The Egyptian" reminds me of something about Lawerance of Arabia. Maybe it's the camels.
Can we have a mashup of this and Toto
Wtf youre in every classical music video I swear
03:39 Tchaikovsky - Concert Fantasia Op. 56, III mov 2th theme
I was expecting something completely different
Дорогие друзья у меня просьба к вам, есть ли у кого-нибудь возможность найти в просторах инета партитура партий инструментов оркестра,?!
Все перекопала, не могу найти.
Если кто поможет, буду премного благодарна
I really don’t see any of them 😢
I was getting some James Bond vibes while listening to this.............
What fun! Thanks for posting this!
Gonna send this to my friends who have never heard what African wildlife sounds like.
North Africa to be precise. Algeria, Morocco.
There are many parts of this that remind me of Brahms...
Like what?
*Toto has left the chat*
when Indiana Jones arrives in Egypt
E poi si legge in alcuni testi della storia della musica come di un compositore "minore"
concordo perfettamente
Molto sincopato per essere un pezzo del 1891, considerando che il Ragtime cominciava solo ad essere nell'aria in America.
"Molto svincolato...", francamente non credo, però si tratta appunto di impressioni personali. Ciò che è certo è che ci sono pezzi almeno altrettanto e anche più sincopati prima di questo, basta poco per trovarli. :-) Comunque, quello che mi incuriosisce molto del suo commento è il giudizio "Molto sincopato", cioè basta una linea appena diversa da un 2/4 per rendere "esotico" un passaggio? È questo che mi stupisce, nel 2018 di certo questi passaggi suonano molto lineari A ME, ma evidentemente è tutto molto relativo. Saluti!
@@ratibor_shevchenko La sincope era chiamata così perché dava quell'effetto sorpresa, soprattutto nella musica classica. Dal ragtime in poi (lett. "Tempo Strapazzato"), se ne è fatto un uso sempre più largo e meno legato all'effetto sorpresa, ed hanno preso piede i "ritmi sincopati" (rumba, calipso, bossa, salsa, reggae, in parte il rock'n'roll, naturalmente il jazz...), i quali un po' erano figli di danze popolari, come l'antichissima e sincopatissima Ciaccona, poi levigata dai razionalisti bianchi, un po' erano nuovi. Adesso si parla, più propriamente, di accenti "off beat", ossia fuori pulsazione metrica (entità immaginaria ma fondamentale, legata al battito del cuore, ai passi e alla razionalità del tempo). La regolarità della metrica, ossia di queste pulsazioni "mentali", è una caratteristica leggermente diversa dalla linearità del ritmo, che è legato invece al respiro. Ovvio poi che queste cose dipendano da quali strumenti si usino: se c'è la batteria a portare il tempo, esplicitando le pulsazioni, il ritmo sarà portato da altri strumenti; altre volte il canto "va a tempo" e le percussioni sincopano.
This is why I'm not a pianist
Toto would be proud of this cover
kinda reminds me of john williams
You mean John Williams kinda reminds you of this?
3:38
No me recuerda mucho a África pero si al Concierto 1 para piano de Tchaikovsky y a los 2 de Liszt.
Peeps don't take the mick out of Africa by Toto, it's one of the more tolerable pop tunes.
Tolerable, but not my favorite Toto tune either. Much prefer "99" and "I'll Be Over You".
진짜 아프리카 판타지라는 이름이 잘 어울리네
Toto has entered the chat
꿀벌과 천둥에서.. 가자마가 친 곡
I hear the drums echo in the night
This is about as African in flavour as Nestle baby formula. Should rename it to Le Havre.
You have to realize that to Saint-Saëns, "Africa" primarily meant Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt - not sub-Saharan Africa but Arab Africa on the Mediterranean coast. At the end of his life, he would normally spend winters in Algiers (where he died in 1921).
Bom Cabedal so you agree. This piece proves Saint-Saëns was inexplicably forced to spend his winters in a foreign land while pining for the rolling pastoral hills of Jumièges. Glad we're on the same page. 👍🏻
@@AnthonyLeighDunstan That's rather a rash conclusion. S-S loved being in Algeria, and this is hardly the only composition of his that testifies to that.
Bom Cabedal hahaha, ok, aside from the fact it was a joke, his use of traditional North African songs and dances is honestly quite watered down with European idioms. As brilliant as he was, his melodies may be direct transcriptions but it's clear they passed through a fairly dense European filter. As much as I love and admire this piece, Saint-Saëns' fear of percussion certainly didn't help his intention to compose an homage to an area of the world he clearly loved. This is what I hear and can see in the score. So it might be my opinion but is also consistent with his handling of similar materials. He has an extremely distinct flavour so perhaps this is a factor. And therefore, perhaps he could've retitled the work "A view of Africa from my window in France". (That was a joke too. 😜)
@@AnthonyLeighDunstan Good points. Alas, jokes don't always carry across that well in YT comments; more frequently it's a douchebag. Sorry. And I do agree with you; my main beef was that so many people forget about the entire existence of super-Saharan Africa.
To modern ears it could sound Caribbean, not African.
I don't hear the African elements. I am not sure that Saint-Saëns had used them... May you give your historical references?
It is North Africa. Algeria, Morocco.
...
This piece has nothing to do with Africa but it's still beautiful
Algeria and Egypt are in Africa.
@@bartjebartmans Holy correction...thanks Batman!
Great piece of music, but this music is as European as it can get. I hear nothing African here. And I am a South African.
Read the info under the video. The music is based on Berber melodies and rhythms from Algeria and some from Egypt. North Africa.
Bartje Bartmans Algerian and Egyptian elements for sure. (I`m also South African)
That's weird, I see nothing African about you, Dutchman.
You used the same recording I have at home.
Desubbed!
Wait... I am not even subbed. ;)
Saint-Saens Africa > Toto Africa
Is this supposed to be his idea about African music? Is it a musical fantasy on the "idea" of Africa? Is it a celebration of the European conquests in Africa? Rather enigmatic.
The music itself obviously sounds nothing like the various forms of musics found all over the continent. Nor does it sound anything like those uncomfortable parodies of African music one might hear in unenlightened Hollywood films (yes, I'd include "Lion King" in that category).
So I'm left wondering what he was trying to do.
Africa as in North Africa as in Algeria. Saint Saens spent lots of time there and wrote many works influenced by that region. His 5th Piano Concerto is another example.
@@bartjebartmans Ah! Hmm. Not sure how I feel about a conservative French composer (politically) writing about his time in Algiers. Something tells me Camus would have a field day. But thank you for the illuminating comment!
@@johnmanno2052 how does politics influence this? Just enjoy the music god damnit. You stupid moralists always ruin everything.
6:45
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