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I would argue that the adds on Morchie are a bigger problem. They are so incredibly fast and their dmg if you get in their circle is huge. Also trapping these adds cause 100k dmg to the whole party so trapping them all 5 at the same time is not advisable. We had the tank and healer deal with theirs instantly, and the dps to slow/stun/kite theirs for a little. They do get slower and sometimes just stop just to activate suddenly few seconds later. At the second round of adds you wont have enough traps anyway so kiting will be automatically mandatory using all the speedboosts/slows your party can bring.
Morchie is by far the hardest boss in that dungeon.... the adds are pretty fast, the trap do heavy dmg and multi Morchie is just insenity cuz she is a Gnome, and I have like what 10 sec to recognize the one without the mask. Since I dont play on a freaking TV, she is the size of like 2 cm on my screen, and I need to kite my add, heal everyone on the move and somehow find her without mask.... she looks freaking the same on all clones :D
Thanks for the video. Morchie and the last Boss were troublesome. Rest were fine. However you miss the big thing here. To reach Morchie we need to get past the puzzle where NPCs are throwing is back to the start and that is the toughest part of the run there....
Although this is a great guide, I wish more guides like this would also cover trash mobs. Especially for this dungeon where there's the no deaths achievement, making sure you're wary of trash mobs as well as bosses can be very important.
Honestly with Morchie alot of wipes for my groups were because of the super fast adds not the More Morchies mechanic. Even with CC we would get caught by them.
Just did the dungeon and I can say it was a blast, was able to get the hang of the mechanics without too much trouble. Also as a blood dk you can actually solo most of the bosses in the dungeon, there are just 3 with mechanics that make soloing them impossible.
So glad this is as hard as it is, really felt like a mini raid when my guildies and I went in blind. For me I love the difficulty and coordination required for raids but dont like pugs and its been hard for my guild to arrange a raid day where everyone is available so this gives me that raid feel but a lot easier to just log on and do with whatever few guildies are available.
Morchie needs to get nerfed/fixed, The More problem timer is way too short to check every single add. organized group wiped multiple times on this boss just trying to figure out which one was the correct one. Morchie model is too small to see if they have a hat on from a distance. That boss will be a PUG killed unless someone figures out a WA to mark them, which I don't think can happen since Blizzard screwed us with the private aura's patch.
My group only killed her because the tank could solo the last 20%. Didn't have as much issue with any other boss. Even the last one is ok as long as you have one person handling the orb explosions.
I love the content and appreciate you putting this together but I can't watch them for too long as they feel like they are really frenetic. You can slow down your speech if feels like you are trying to go as quickly as possible which is not fun to go through.
Kelani, I love your videos and learn a ton. I am an older gentleman yet I main tank and raid lead a very casual raiding guild. During your DotI vid your toon seems to be saying the effect coming up, such as "frontal" or "Big AOE"...what does that? an addon or weakaura or setting? Secondly your vids show clearly what effect the boss is doing next on their nameplate. same question...Is this an addon, a weakaura or a setting? Thank you for any help you can give this old guy :)
I like the fight, I just wish that Morchie was larger during the more problems phase. My feedback was to increase Morchie’s size by like 25% during that phase. Otherwise I think it’s a pretty solid fight as long as you can manage the adds/traps.
@@patriousthefallenknight3185 iridikron is a dps check. Other than that as long as you don't fail mechanics, you're in. 430+ for easy run 425 might be challenging
You should definitely do it then. I'm sure you could find people here in the comment section who would be happy to help. The dungeon isn't difficult as long as people are aware of the mechanics. Assuming you play DPS you are welcome to join me and my friends. Even if you aren't well geared it's not an issue, we can manage. I'm not looking for anything in return, just offering to help. If you are interested please respond to this and we'll figure out a good time for all of us. Someone else offered to help too. If you are EU they can run it with you. If you're on a North American server, I can.
Definitely going to need about 420 ilvl and that’s pushing it so unless you’ve been raising you’d need a group able and willing to carry or wait until heroic in a month or 2
So I did this doing with LFD today and I did all bosses except Iridikron which I wiped on but my group got him so I got credit. Not too shabby for going in blind!
just finished the mega dungeon on mythic. Morchie is so hard to see wich one has no hat. i hope DBM get an update that marks the correct one or something. I once stood behind her thinking she didnt have a hat on untill i notice she had a tiny candle on her head and i was like O.o oh sh...BOOM...and we wiped. Its hard to see it with so many things going on. Also the last boss is tricky with not a lot of space to move around. Beside those 2 things, the dungeon was really fun. Recomend going and doing it with friends.
Last Boss was melting my 443 Item LvL Warrior Tank's HP. Killed him once rest of group did all the mech right but i dont think the average 420 or even 430 player could survive that boss. You pretty much need to out gear the place ATM in order to beat it. Don't go in looking for item upgrades or you are going to have a bad time.
Which phase was getting your tank melted. The portal guys spam cast spells so maybe they were all targeting your tank. I tanked it on my 441 paladin and it didn't feel threatening. Ran it again with 430 dh tank and it wasn't much trouble either.
I hope you know what colour blind means as it’s most often not that as it’s 2 shades of the same color here and said color is not often affected. By you I mean Kelani not you as if you’re color blind you know.
Did it with a pug last night. First boss had like 5 wipes, second like 4, galakrond 1 shot, iridikron 2, Tyr 3, morchie took like 8 or 9, battlefield 2, deios took like 10 and I actually soloed the last 10%. It’s not solely mechanics as Deios hits like a truck so undergeared or moderate healers and tanks might have issues. His orbs can literally be handled by 1 person.
Hey Kelani can you make a guide on how to actually join a group to do the damn dungeon? I feel like the hardest boss right now is the WoW community of sweatlords wanting to do flawless runs...apperently my ilvl415 gear is no where near high enough to even talk to these beasts of legend
@@mossis666 Wrong. Did the full dungeon at 414 ilvl while the others were around 420ilvl. Few wipes to learn the fights, but definitely doable if they player knows how to play the game and their class.
Looks more complicated than I want to deal with in M+. Here's to hoping they nerf the heck out of it before its added to the rotation. (No desire to raid... or do stuff that is like raiding)
For pur group, we trapped the first wave of adds on Morchie, then the next time she did it, there was one puddle. So we all ran around, then she did her breath, then summoned more adds, THEN the puddles. Like wtf Morchie.
@johnj4471 yeah, I just wish the mechanics flowed better instead of overlapping. Perhaps we just had bad luck. I was on my priest 424 I lvl. So we want tooo geared
Oh goodness, we tried and it was a disaster going in blindly. You can NOT stand still... I am NOT cut out for this dungeon - at all. Heroic sounds good especially for players who do not run high M+.
Morchie isnt @easy lol. The spike damage from the trap explosions is super high, and there are times where Morchie will free them from stasis SECONDS after they are stunned. Whole boss is a mess. Add in the dungeon also has terrible add mechanics notably the beyblades with zero cast indicator.
Morchie is too unpredictable and therefor the hardest, imo. Literally the only way of knowing which one to stand behind is either to carefully and slowly look at each one, to look for helmets, or just let other people do that and follow where everyone is running. The boss doesn't give you enough time to figure out which one is the right one. It'd probably be easier to just pop defensives, stand in the middle and heal as hard as you can. Lame fight in an otherwise solid dungeon.
That’s why it is being released as a heroic dungeon in 10.1.7. Everyone wins. People who want a mild challenge get it and folks who want to experience the story can without fear of the difficulty.
@@CarrotCannonwhat fun is it to go against enemies that don't fight back what's the difference between that and a training dummy. It feels much better when the fight and danger us real and you overcome like a real battle would be with your group.
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I would argue that the adds on Morchie are a bigger problem. They are so incredibly fast and their dmg if you get in their circle is huge. Also trapping these adds cause 100k dmg to the whole party so trapping them all 5 at the same time is not advisable. We had the tank and healer deal with theirs instantly, and the dps to slow/stun/kite theirs for a little. They do get slower and sometimes just stop just to activate suddenly few seconds later. At the second round of adds you wont have enough traps anyway so kiting will be automatically mandatory using all the speedboosts/slows your party can bring.
The damage needs to be reduced on traps honestly. We had 2 die mid fight and it was easier
We 2 manned it with tank (guardian and enha) and was MUCH easier to do.
@@johnj4471 We had the healer and all the DPS die to that, then the tank soloed the rest of the fight. It really is the biggest deal.
Morchie is by far the hardest boss in that dungeon.... the adds are pretty fast, the trap do heavy dmg and multi Morchie is just insenity cuz she is a Gnome, and I have like what 10 sec to recognize the one without the mask. Since I dont play on a freaking TV, she is the size of like 2 cm on my screen, and I need to kite my add, heal everyone on the move and somehow find her without mask.... she looks freaking the same on all clones :D
I started looking for where my party starts stacking. I trust they have slightly more time to look for her without having to heal.
Thanks for the video. Morchie and the last Boss were troublesome. Rest were fine. However you miss the big thing here. To reach Morchie we need to get past the puzzle where NPCs are throwing is back to the start and that is the toughest part of the run there....
Had alot of fun going in to this half blind 😁 some bosses more annoying than others ⚡
I'm scared of that, due to how toxic people can be at times.
Sounds great you had a blast though! Might try it out tonight
@@HadesW94 gotta go with friends bro then toxicity stays within your friends
Although this is a great guide, I wish more guides like this would also cover trash mobs.
Especially for this dungeon where there's the no deaths achievement, making sure you're wary of trash mobs as well as bosses can be very important.
This dungeon was a lot of fun, the only boss I didn't enjoy once we figured it out was Morchie.
Honestly with Morchie alot of wipes for my groups were because of the super fast adds not the More Morchies mechanic. Even with CC we would get caught by them.
Just did the dungeon and I can say it was a blast, was able to get the hang of the mechanics without too much trouble. Also as a blood dk you can actually solo most of the bosses in the dungeon, there are just 3 with mechanics that make soloing them impossible.
Feels like a +15 Key with raid mechanics
try +10 xd
@@DeviousMachineReh deios hits harder than some tyrannical on higher keys in terms of the tank.
The bosses had the health of +15/17 keys :D
Neat sounds like an interesting challenge instead if a lame faceroll
So glad this is as hard as it is, really felt like a mini raid when my guildies and I went in blind. For me I love the difficulty and coordination required for raids but dont like pugs and its been hard for my guild to arrange a raid day where everyone is available so this gives me that raid feel but a lot easier to just log on and do with whatever few guildies are available.
Morchie needs to get nerfed/fixed, The More problem timer is way too short to check every single add. organized group wiped multiple times on this boss just trying to figure out which one was the correct one. Morchie model is too small to see if they have a hat on from a distance. That boss will be a PUG killed unless someone figures out a WA to mark them, which I don't think can happen since Blizzard screwed us with the private aura's patch.
My group only killed her because the tank could solo the last 20%. Didn't have as much issue with any other boss. Even the last one is ok as long as you have one person handling the orb explosions.
THIS is what i was waiting for !❤
I love the content and appreciate you putting this together but I can't watch them for too long as they feel like they are really frenetic. You can slow down your speech if feels like you are trying to go as quickly as possible which is not fun to go through.
Kelani, I love your videos and learn a ton. I am an older gentleman yet I main tank and raid lead a very casual raiding guild. During your DotI vid your toon seems to be saying the effect coming up, such as "frontal" or "Big AOE"...what does that? an addon or weakaura or setting? Secondly your vids show clearly what effect the boss is doing next on their nameplate. same question...Is this an addon, a weakaura or a setting? Thank you for any help you can give this old guy :)
I would guess it's the addon bigwigs or deadly boss mods (dbm)
First to comment that I hate the morchie fight with every fiber of my being. Want to buy more puddle traps.
Don’t worry there’s a version of you in the timeways that loves it
I like the fight, I just wish that Morchie was larger during the more problems phase. My feedback was to increase Morchie’s size by like 25% during that phase. Otherwise I think it’s a pretty solid fight as long as you can manage the adds/traps.
Funny enough the fight gets easier with less people. Wayyy easier
What ilv should we be to do this?
@@patriousthefallenknight3185 iridikron is a dps check. Other than that as long as you don't fail mechanics, you're in. 430+ for easy run 425 might be challenging
Superb guide! Thank you so much!
Never done mythic dungeons, but I so badly want to do this so thanks :)
You should definitely do it then. I'm sure you could find people here in the comment section who would be happy to help. The dungeon isn't difficult as long as people are aware of the mechanics.
Assuming you play DPS you are welcome to join me and my friends. Even if you aren't well geared it's not an issue, we can manage. I'm not looking for anything in return, just offering to help. If you are interested please respond to this and we'll figure out a good time for all of us.
Someone else offered to help too. If you are EU they can run it with you. If you're on a North American server, I can.
would help EU server 443 Item Level
@@MrLP3xp3rtwould help too but I'm not on an EU server. It depends what server they're on and if they respond to our offers to help.
@@Kyarrix we shall see on which server he is
Definitely going to need about 420 ilvl and that’s pushing it so unless you’ve been raising you’d need a group able and willing to carry or wait until heroic in a month or 2
Thanks for the guide, helped me a lot
So I did this doing with LFD today and I did all bosses except Iridikron which I wiped on but my group got him so I got credit. Not too shabby for going in blind!
This dungeon is awesome
just finished the mega dungeon on mythic. Morchie is so hard to see wich one has no hat. i hope DBM get an update that marks the correct one or something. I once stood behind her thinking she didnt have a hat on untill i notice she had a tiny candle on her head and i was like O.o oh sh...BOOM...and we wiped. Its hard to see it with so many things going on. Also the last boss is tricky with not a lot of space to move around. Beside those 2 things, the dungeon was really fun. Recomend going and doing it with friends.
Thanks, that really helped
We wiped 12 times on last boss before being able to take him down, that guy sucks. But it was well worth it
I laughed when I saw "yeah soak balls".
Yeah, ran it full as healer and everything was fun except Morchie, that boss is going to be a royal nightmare on M+
Last Boss was melting my 443 Item LvL Warrior Tank's HP. Killed him once rest of group did all the mech right but i dont think the average 420 or even 430 player could survive that boss. You pretty much need to out gear the place ATM in order to beat it. Don't go in looking for item upgrades or you are going to have a bad time.
My 436 paladin barely survived while tanking but it was very close to death at points.
Which phase was getting your tank melted. The portal guys spam cast spells so maybe they were all targeting your tank. I tanked it on my 441 paladin and it didn't feel threatening. Ran it again with 430 dh tank and it wasn't much trouble either.
430 DH tank has no problem with it last night.
Only in p1. In p2 I actually soloed him the last 10 percent. I literally am spamming defensives p1 but rotating in p2.
@@ThanhNguyen-pp2jnyeah I think you need to let them dps handle the adds honestly.
Great guide if you are ranged.......
2:43 and how to avoid this wave is fully skipped in this video?
Kelani: I hope you're not colour blind
Me: Oh no
I hope you know what colour blind means as it’s most often not that as it’s 2 shades of the same color here and said color is not often affected. By you I mean Kelani not you as if you’re color blind you know.
Skip till M+ available
9:14 All around me are familiar faces
Hoping anyone sees this. Bosses only drop Whelpling fragments for me but Splintered Sparks for EVERYONE else. Why??
It probably would have gone even easier if your leader there went ahead and swallowed the marshmallow he was chewing on the whole time...
mechanics are a bit too precise in my opinion but looks like a lot of fun with coordinated groups
Did it with a pug last night. First boss had like 5 wipes, second like 4, galakrond 1 shot, iridikron 2, Tyr 3, morchie took like 8 or 9, battlefield 2, deios took like 10 and I actually soloed the last 10%. It’s not solely mechanics as Deios hits like a truck so undergeared or moderate healers and tanks might have issues. His orbs can literally be handled by 1 person.
Hey Kelani can you make a guide on how to actually join a group to do the damn dungeon? I feel like the hardest boss right now is the WoW community of sweatlords wanting to do flawless runs...apperently my ilvl415 gear is no where near high enough to even talk to these beasts of legend
415 is too low. It's pretty tough even when you have close to 440.
@@CaptainDope I heard it isn't even that hard because what ilvl did the ptr people have to do it on
@@flammableelmo4966 it's definitely a tougher dungeon and 415 is like bare minimum, even then you'd need some real pumpers to carry you.
@@mossis666 Wrong. Did the full dungeon at 414 ilvl while the others were around 420ilvl. Few wipes to learn the fights, but definitely doable if they player knows how to play the game and their class.
Looks more complicated than I want to deal with in M+. Here's to hoping they nerf the heck out of it before its added to the rotation. (No desire to raid... or do stuff that is like raiding)
interesting dungeon to pug kekw
Morchie is easier if 1-2 people die at like 30% and deios is easier in the final phase if 2 people just die
The hardest boss is the bullet hell mechanic
Interesting - all 3 evokers...
For pur group, we trapped the first wave of adds on Morchie, then the next time she did it, there was one puddle. So we all ran around, then she did her breath, then summoned more adds, THEN the puddles. Like wtf Morchie.
She has low hp and quick ability timers. It’s just a fast fight.
@johnj4471 yeah, I just wish the mechanics flowed better instead of overlapping. Perhaps we just had bad luck. I was on my priest 424 I lvl. So we want tooo geared
@johnj4471 I mean, we managed to clear the whole dungeon. Last boss was by far the most challenging. The 2 adds were annoying to handle.
Completely wrong manifested debuff. You dispel in fast as you take less ticks. When you dispel in slow it moves slow but ticks the same speed.
morchie for sure
I only wish people accepted me in the group :o
I CANT GET IN THE DUNGOUN EVEN IF I GT THE QUEST
Oh goodness, we tried and it was a disaster going in blindly. You can NOT stand still... I am NOT cut out for this dungeon - at all. Heroic sounds good especially for players who do not run high M+.
Morchie isnt @easy lol. The spike damage from the trap explosions is super high, and there are times where Morchie will free them from stasis SECONDS after they are stunned. Whole boss is a mess. Add in the dungeon also has terrible add mechanics notably the beyblades with zero cast indicator.
I can’t even go in yet lol
I love that firebreath at 13:05 :D
WE EARLY BOIS!
You gotta talk slower bro. Either that or slow down each segment.
what ilvl should i be to do this? healer*
490 in pugs. Buy manapots and have a repair mount.
Dunno, but I'd say if you can do at least M15, you can try this. Felt comparable to that.
We can't kill möchte.. seems like to less traps for the mobs
Möchte kill her, right 😅
You can cc the adds
Morchie needs to be changed it’s no fun at all especially with pugs fewer clones would be nice
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Morchie is too unpredictable and therefor the hardest, imo. Literally the only way of knowing which one to stand behind is either to carefully and slowly look at each one, to look for helmets, or just let other people do that and follow where everyone is running. The boss doesn't give you enough time to figure out which one is the right one. It'd probably be easier to just pop defensives, stand in the middle and heal as hard as you can. Lame fight in an otherwise solid dungeon.
Out of mana, sry
Big guide...they never mention this dungeon = you should be 449ilvl before trying to attempt. LoL dps check..
Second boss and morchie sucks
At least the toxic epeen mythic+ crowd got something to do.
I think we can see where Blizzards heart is.
I hope they dont forget us who just want tank and spank... all these do it or die mechanics just suck as far as Im concerned.
That’s why it is being released as a heroic dungeon in 10.1.7. Everyone wins. People who want a mild challenge get it and folks who want to experience the story can without fear of the difficulty.
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@@123Cheezus theyre a heroic dungeoneer thats for sure...
Same. I enjoy simple mechanic but high damage dungeons... which is why I like M+ and not raids.
@@CarrotCannonwhat fun is it to go against enemies that don't fight back what's the difference between that and a training dummy. It feels much better when the fight and danger us real and you overcome like a real battle would be with your group.
Does anyone actually enjoy these ridicilous boss mechanics, generally speaking?
What’s ridiculous about them
Every damn boss is so overturned it's stupid. Tazavesh wasn't even this bad on hard mode!!!