Those people who are uploading all this videos i want to say that i watch videos and i can't tell u by words how much it helped and i know there is many more like me and i also know that not all people gonna comment even i won't be able to comment in each video that how much those each video is worthful but by this comment i am just making and attempt to tell u that no matter how less comments are people doing in videos but in this world of people doing only mind Wash of people for there benefit in the name of helping them u are genuinely helping People therefore just know that and keep on working and i hope i will be able to meet u people in my life time.❤
It really is such a joy to be able to listen to two wise human beings conversing about these things. This kind of a thing seems to be very rare. Thank you.
I’ve noticed this about JK’s talks. Especially dialogues with David Bohm and a few others. They go around dissecting the problem…. Really just rephrasing the problem in different ways … it seems there’s is no “Solution”…. Then in the last 5-10 minutes some Magic happens. That Magic happens in the surrendering to a mystery, and to Silence …. And to some Communion…. Then they end the talk. Did anyone else feel how long the pauses became and how soft the voices at the end ? Magic. Love. Compassion. Damn!
28:10, Desire cannot be controlled because the attempt to control desire is merely one desire resisting another Desire is a movement, a set of instructions to the brain to try to get something, and the one who tries to control it is himself controlled by those instructions.
"Who will listen to this?".. 🙋♀️ I am listening earnestly, K . 💯⭐👍 I had an awakening because of your wisdom. Thank you. 🙏🕉️ Love their talks. My fave ❤️
To control desire Is another desire. 29:00 Controller is controlled Thinker is thought What is thought? Observer is observed Analyzer is analyzed Experiencer is experienced
People don't always try to find Diamond , but my luck and eagerness , i found . Advait Vedanta course . Which leads me to learn about J krishnamurthy .
Learning from K, I find Jesus in K ... Well, to start with, young K was regarded as the second coming of the Christ, so, just like you, Sir, I am not too far away from the target point ....
1:18:08 can be proved - one who has accepted his reality and moves forward in life with the no interest with anything material realm yet accept the path that the person has to walk … a person with no desire of power but only walks with the power of love for self and all the living beings around.
I believe that talking about the brain hinders research on thought. We must be clear about what thought is, and it is the separation between the observer and the observed. Somehow, in the dialogues there is still a trace of "old psychology", of "old science", a trace of thought, after all. I am not saying that it is wrong, of course not, but that it is of the seriousness in research that its words are updated and address broader realities. For example, a distinction is made between physical time and psychological time, which is a division between the internal and the external, which is fictitious. There is only one time, which is thought in motion. Utilitarian thought - labile, ephemeral, non-contradictory - detects periodicity in the passage of a herd of mammoths through a certain place, or perceives that the Sun travels across the sky at a certain rhythm. But crystallized thought -civilization- invents schools to build future men and women, creates permanent nations, takes into account astrological transits to determine the future of the individual; or generates a history of the observed universe that leads to the very dissociated observer (the human being), in order to place him at the forefront of such an arduous and important task. Somehow, the consideration that thought is confusion is restricted to only one part of reality, "subjective reality", as if that were its particular domain. However, this only indicates that this is where it produces the most confusion, but thought also invents the brain and the living room table. This is easy to understand if we are clear about the fundamental nature of thought, which is to separate the observer from the observed, recreating cut-outs or objects, independent forms. Thus, thought analyzes and sees a brain, and to the brain it attributes the particular faculty of modulating or creating thought, but that "brain thought" is only the image that true thought recreates of itself.
"Brain without desire" ... Without the ME, there is no desire ... It's the same thing the all the Enlightened teachers have taught, "Understand yourself and Be selfless." Can I reduce some selfishness and so my desires? While most people come to see K are coming with curiosity and learn something different, it seems to me that Dr. Bohm comes to confirm his own thoughts and ideas, and when K goes off the track, Bohm is stuck and makes rounds on the track.... Yet, K is just one of his bright students, who has grown his head larger than his body .....???? Never gives up nor admits, even if it turns up as a "total" defeat ... The Master of language and successful life style
Bohm helps articulate K's feelings more properly. Bohm senses there is an authenticity here and the language is too primitive to get it all coherent. He has to be careful as he is a scientist. Bohm gets along so well with K is that K also plays in his own mental laboratory which Bohm participates.
The 'Scavarelli manuscript' is indeed Krishnamurti’s Notebook, and we do have the original manuscript in the archives. It was written in 1960-61 but only published in 1975. It was published late because Rajagopal kept it, and the Krishnamurti Foundation only got it back at the end of the first lawsuit with him.
To the foundation, in the end krishnaji and Dr say they are going to meet in California and continue discussion about brain without desire is there any recording of that ,if there is please help me to find them 🙏🏻
These are all the conversations between Krishnaji and Bohm: ua-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4oQ5fCd6MJ17waAMCsgumf.html And these are all the small group discussions and seminars including Bohm: ua-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4uRawMr6krhA3asaOGbu9x.html
No. He is too nuanced and precise for that obvious trap, which he himself articulates in this talk and many others. In fact Dr Bohm also talks about the desire for the state of non -desire… in this very dialogue… He has always spoken of observing desire (+ fear, greed etc), and how somehow in that observation, chancing on some transformation…. He has definitely felt desire ( e.g.he was in love) and sorrow ( when he lost his brother) etc. He is sharing all wisdom from his own experiments with his mind …. Largely - observation, listening, watching “everything” , being choicelessly aware etc. Grateful to K for being so precise, clear …
i'm watching this talk series between JK and DR.Bohm for the second time, but why did i feel that JK repeat himself too much, and i didn't see a clear line about some of his question.
K says, "Meditation is a form of silence" that means "no words involve" ... As a scientist, Dr. Bohm says, "the brain is so evolved that humans didn't know how to use the capacity." And he says, "I don't know" to K's question, "would they accept it?" Dr. Bohm says that the responsibility is in the past that didn't know how to use the brain right, especially the sinful Adam and Eve, of course. Then with his own life time training as a scientist in triple areas and his vast experiences, why can't he learn to take the responsibility and save humanity entirely? Without responsibility, there is no individuality, of course except those ME persons who makes themselves off of any responsibility and takes all positive material benefits for their comfortable lifestyle. Those who have grown up in their tradition of individualism must take the responsibility by 125%, to serve humanity, if they think they are human beings, while others, especially who regards themselves, as spiritual, keep on taking more or less, by 100%. Otherwise, there is no hope in human society, in just the way the listeners have seen in K's encounters with Dr. Bohm .... Dr. Bohm says that the problem occurs when "the thought trys to advance into the area it does not belong" ... but that's what exactly he is doing ... coming to see meditation, armed with dictionary abilities, in his center ...!
All I see from this comment is judgement, speculation and conclusions. All signs of a strong ego in operation. Instead of going into oneself you analyse and criticise Bohm? What is even the point? Surely a strong underlying self insecurity which seeks validation in criticism of others. Regardless, you criticise Bohm who spent decades trying to understand and spread this message and promote others to understand? It’s absurd. If you criticise him, you must criticise K, as well as many other acclaimed spiritual te
Those people who are uploading all this videos i want to say that i watch videos and i can't tell u by words how much it helped and i know there is many more like me and i also know that not all people gonna comment even i won't be able to comment in each video that how much those each video is worthful but by this comment i am just making and attempt to tell u that no matter how less comments are people doing in videos but in this world of people doing only mind Wash of people for there benefit in the name of helping them u are genuinely helping People therefore just know that and keep on working and i hope i will be able to meet u people in my life time.❤
Meeting of bohm and K and recording these helped the whole humanity ❤️
It really is such a joy to be able to listen to two wise human beings conversing about these things. This kind of a thing seems to be very rare. Thank you.
I’ve noticed this about JK’s talks. Especially dialogues with David Bohm and a few others.
They go around dissecting the problem…. Really just rephrasing the problem in different ways … it seems there’s is no “Solution”….
Then in the last 5-10 minutes some Magic happens.
That Magic happens in the surrendering to a mystery, and to Silence …. And to some Communion….
Then they end the talk.
Did anyone else feel how long the pauses became and how soft the voices at the end ?
Magic. Love. Compassion.
Damn!
I always wait for the ending, absolutely beautiful!
I appreciate these recordings immensely, such important and unique work, thank you for sharing such insightful knowledge.❤
28:10, Desire cannot be controlled because the attempt to control desire is merely one desire resisting another
Desire is a movement, a set of instructions to the brain to try to get something, and the one who tries to control it is himself controlled by those instructions.
Every time this dialog is fresh!
"Who will listen to this?".. 🙋♀️ I am listening earnestly, K . 💯⭐👍 I had an awakening because of your wisdom. Thank you. 🙏🕉️ Love their talks.
My fave ❤️
Hey, can you share your awakening story ?
Total or partial, make sure you pass it forward. We need more people like K, D, XYZ etc. ✨
I am listening, a girl from China, 2022.12.15.
I thought Google is banned in China ??
@@Gaurav.P0Don't tell them🤫🤫🤫
@@nvxiada4360you go girl!!❤
I am listening. A guy from India. 2024.05.30
Thank you K, Dr. D Bohm and KFT 🫶🏼
This dialogue is of inestimable value and importance for this chaotic world.
To control desire
Is another desire. 29:00
Controller is controlled
Thinker is thought
What is thought?
Observer is observed
Analyzer is analyzed
Experiencer is experienced
People don't always try to find Diamond , but my luck and eagerness , i found . Advait Vedanta course . Which leads me to learn about J krishnamurthy .
Learning from K, I find Jesus in K ...
Well, to start with, young K was regarded as the second coming of the Christ, so, just like you, Sir, I am not too far away from the target point ....
1:18:08 can be proved - one who has accepted his reality and moves forward in life with the no interest with anything material realm yet accept the path that the person has to walk … a person with no desire of power but only walks with the power of love for self and all the living beings around.
You can hear two voices but in fact they are One 🥰
A brain without desire... that says EVERYTHING!!!
Here the journey ends..🤸
I believe that talking about the brain hinders research on thought. We must be clear about what thought is, and it is the separation between the observer and the observed. Somehow, in the dialogues there is still a trace of "old psychology", of "old science", a trace of thought, after all. I am not saying that it is wrong, of course not, but that it is of the seriousness in research that its words are updated and address broader realities.
For example, a distinction is made between physical time and psychological time, which is a division between the internal and the external, which is fictitious. There is only one time, which is thought in motion. Utilitarian thought - labile, ephemeral, non-contradictory - detects periodicity in the passage of a herd of mammoths through a certain place, or perceives that the Sun travels across the sky at a certain rhythm. But crystallized thought -civilization- invents schools to build future men and women, creates permanent nations, takes into account astrological transits to determine the future of the individual; or generates a history of the observed universe that leads to the very dissociated observer (the human being), in order to place him at the forefront of such an arduous and important task.
Somehow, the consideration that thought is confusion is restricted to only one part of reality, "subjective reality", as if that were its particular domain. However, this only indicates that this is where it produces the most confusion, but thought also invents the brain and the living room table. This is easy to understand if we are clear about the fundamental nature of thought, which is to separate the observer from the observed, recreating cut-outs or objects, independent forms. Thus, thought analyzes and sees a brain, and to the brain it attributes the particular faculty of modulating or creating thought, but that "brain thought" is only the image that true thought recreates of itself.
Beautiful video 😍
These talks are so soothing to me!!! To me there is nothing sexier than an intellectually intelligent man; OMG 🥰!
"Brain without desire" ... Without the ME, there is no desire ... It's the same thing the all the Enlightened teachers have taught, "Understand yourself and Be selfless."
Can I reduce some selfishness and so my desires?
While most people come to see K are coming with curiosity and learn something different, it seems to me that Dr. Bohm comes to confirm his own thoughts and ideas, and when K goes off the track, Bohm is stuck and makes rounds on the track.... Yet, K is just one of his bright students, who has grown his head larger than his body .....????
Never gives up nor admits, even if it turns up as a "total" defeat ... The Master of language and successful life style
Bohm helps articulate K's feelings more properly. Bohm senses there is an authenticity here and the language is too primitive to get it all coherent. He has to be careful as he is a scientist. Bohm gets along so well with K is that K also plays in his own mental laboratory which Bohm participates.
Amazing ❤️
so the functional center acts when we are doing work or speaking to someone without thinking.
and when we are thinking the thought center takes over??
I desire ,therefore I am if i deny desire I'm not
@LukeAttigan Deny desire means drop the desire without any hidden desire. It's like dropping Hot coal from the shoulder. Just drop it.
What Jiddu means is that the Ego falls off. The natural person is still there but this time revealed and free from the chador of the Ego.
So this Scaravelli manuscript they mention, it became public as Krishnamurti’s Notebook or do you have the original manuscript as well?
The 'Scavarelli manuscript' is indeed Krishnamurti’s Notebook, and we do have the original manuscript in the archives. It was written in 1960-61 but only published in 1975. It was published late because Rajagopal kept it, and the Krishnamurti Foundation only got it back at the end of the first lawsuit with him.
@@KFoundation Is there any possibility to study this notebook?
What is this ?
What is the Scaravelli Manuscript . Ive never heard of it before Anyone ?
Krishnamurti 's Notebook
This book is available you can buy it online, it's there
To the foundation, in the end krishnaji and Dr say they are going to meet in California and continue discussion about brain without desire is there any recording of that ,if there is please help me to find them 🙏🏻
These are all the conversations between Krishnaji and Bohm: ua-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4oQ5fCd6MJ17waAMCsgumf.html
And these are all the small group discussions and seminars including Bohm: ua-cam.com/play/PL1n30s-LKus4uRawMr6krhA3asaOGbu9x.html
Thanks 🙏🏻
@@h4ks3lr1 did you find that perticular video ?
magic
29:00
34:45
Even desire of sex is wastage of energy? No? Food is natural and basic but what about sex ? I dont mean that sex is unatural !
38:53 wow ...
Was " blowing away disire, the disire of k.?
No. He is too nuanced and precise for that obvious trap, which he himself articulates in this talk and many others. In fact Dr Bohm also talks about the desire for the state of non -desire… in this very dialogue…
He has always spoken of observing desire (+ fear, greed etc), and how somehow in that observation, chancing on some transformation…. He has definitely felt desire ( e.g.he was in love) and sorrow ( when he lost his brother) etc. He is sharing all wisdom from his own experiments with his mind …. Largely - observation, listening, watching “everything” , being choicelessly aware etc.
Grateful to K for being so precise, clear …
i'm watching this talk series between JK and DR.Bohm for the second time, but why did i feel that JK repeat himself too much, and i didn't see a clear line about some of his question.
Exactly why Bohm is helping him to streamline his thoughts.
now you will be thinking about me thinking about two brains thinking if the brain could free itself from all self-delusion
K says, "Meditation is a form of silence" that means "no words involve" ...
As a scientist, Dr. Bohm says, "the brain is so evolved that humans didn't know how to use the capacity."
And he says, "I don't know" to K's question, "would they accept it?"
Dr. Bohm says that the responsibility is in the past that didn't know how to use the brain right, especially the sinful Adam and Eve, of course.
Then with his own life time training as a scientist in triple areas and his vast experiences, why can't he learn to take the responsibility and save humanity entirely?
Without responsibility, there is no individuality, of course except those ME persons who makes themselves off of any responsibility and takes all positive material benefits for their comfortable lifestyle.
Those who have grown up in their tradition of individualism must take the responsibility by 125%, to serve humanity, if they think they are human beings, while others, especially who regards themselves, as spiritual, keep on taking more or less, by 100%. Otherwise, there is no hope in human society, in just the way the listeners have seen in K's encounters with Dr. Bohm ....
Dr. Bohm says that the problem occurs when "the thought trys to advance into the area it does not belong" ... but that's what exactly he is doing ... coming to see meditation, armed with dictionary abilities, in his center ...!
All I see from this comment is judgement, speculation and conclusions. All signs of a strong ego in operation. Instead of going into oneself you analyse and criticise Bohm? What is even the point? Surely a strong underlying self insecurity which seeks validation in criticism of others.
Regardless, you criticise Bohm who spent decades trying to understand and spread this message and promote others to understand? It’s absurd. If you criticise him, you must criticise K, as well as many other acclaimed spiritual te
5:00 to 7:00 though is not capable of controlling brain/ mind.
Science also failed ?
Is there link to conversation after this.
This is the last talk in the series.
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53:51
39:29
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Such idiocy in the comments section
I only see yours
@@perothing Picking petty fights? I believe you can find a better use of your time
25:20 ●
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