I can hear these talks over and over again and still learn and discover the unknown. All peace comes from the understanding of what truly is. It took fifty years of suffering for me to understand and keep understanding that suffering is no longer needed in order to live life as a whole.This is beautiful. 🙏
56:07 - 01:01:10 The insight dispels the centre of darkness 01:03:39 - 01:07:15 There is no 'how' to the insight. 'How' puts you back into the pattern. 01:21:08 - Why hate is natural and love is unnatural
Amazing revelations ,step by step removes our darkness so that we see light .TRUE Sir, insight is so natural,why we did not explore it before K SHOWED IT TO US.thanks a lot.
58:10 , the flash is the fire that burns up the material process and that fire just instantly burns up any material consciousness that it observes which is the dispelling of the darkness.
1:47 - If one is concerned with fundamental change, where does one begin? 7:15 - What will change the brain? 15:44 - Is there a function in the brain that is not touched by its content? 20:17 - Is there an activity which is independent of the content? 30:14 - A can act on B 43:53 - Cause, and no cause 51:40 - Insight illuminates 1:02:19 - How does the flash of illumination come about? 1:07:38 - Why don’t we have insight from the beginning? 1:26:04 - If it is natural to ‘X’, why isn’t it to ‘A’?
Thought has to be silent so that insight can operate, that is, the material process must pause/stop/end so that it makes space for the other to be. Otherwise, insight cannot operate on the material process just like the material process can't operate on it. This is what i found.
There’s something that i cannot really grasp on , in previous conversations j said that humans are naturally irrational and that they get caught up with knowledge and thought immediately and here he’s saying that such insight and having no response is so natural for some, which means they’re naturally rational
Some are naturally irrational some are unnaturally rational some are unnaturally irrational some are naturally rational but what will change the brain?
Ive had this all life. Insight. It goes away when i get influenced by what k would call the ”common” mind. Contemplation yoga silent action promotes it. Hanging out with normal people demotes it.
K keeps repeating, "Why some gets it naturally while others don't?" Some, like children, are less conditioned, while others are gravely conditioned. While K has been trying to get them understand and clear of their conditioning, especially B, they don't get it or try to ignore it, out coming from such hardcore conditioning to be irresponsible. They don't respond adequately, perhaps out of greed.... Perhaps, that's what K is asking, to take the responsibility, for their position. And change the way of education....
Because the illnesses and so on, K hadn't been quite conditioned, as he talked about. Is it that K is saying that if humans are not conditioned, it is natural to have loving heart...?
The words that are generally used in English are not that specific, Hindi and Sanskrit belonging to the yogic sciences are very specific in these. Wakefulness would be a better word for consciousness, and so on...
Total insight comes when the content is empty (The self what you call yourself), human relationships can only make you learn and condition your behaviour nothing else therefore artists and philosophers have half insight because to dwell deep into yourself you have to have some solitude
I love listing to these lectures, what makes me doubt these lectures now is why Krishnamurtui does not have the ability to dissolve his cough with simple expended observation? Is it fair to ask a question when man is enlightened he can easily dissolve bodily consciousness into wider dissolved? I know first hand experience that I can do this with itching if the body, yawning, or any sensation that needs observation into non existent side of what is. I also know that at times I do not have power over it but I also know that consciousness allows and is always undoubtedly unobstructed , unhinged nor bias. Where there is bias is of concentration of matter actually dies hing. What is consciousness telling me that right now? That the greatest man this century had is __________.
Child is less conditioned ...? Because there was less accumulation of knowledge ... Can I go back there? Even to the day I was born, there could have still some memory or something about where I came from. Maybe this is what Jesus meant when he said, "Man must be born again." Or "You must becom like a child." A different way of saying what K says, "First see that I am conditioned and then understand my conditioning, by being aware of the self. What it thinks, says, does, feels in relationship ... Use all your senses balanced ... ? They both were saying the same thing in different ways
I found that there are quite a few similarities between the two when I watched K's dialogue with Alan W Anderson. Yet comparing them wouldn't do either one right. Especially since we don't actually know anything that Jesus said.
@@Criggeda I don't think I compare the two. Rather, I try to understand Jesus and his teachings nobody knows, by learning from K. I think it is reasonable to think that all the enlightened teachers were saying the same thing, as K, that is "Know yourself." If you come to know Buddha, it is more obvious that Buddha viewed the human problems in 4, Aging, Dying, Being sick, and Living. It is universal problem for all animals. Only thing is that Jesus didn't have the freedom to express.
at the end he says why his father responded with hate to hate but son responded with love to hate which was terribly natural to him but unnatural to others why that son what is special about that
is thought a material substance or is it a process in some other substance oh SIR just give me more i am in this journey along with u pl carry me further amazing penetration
I can hear these talks over and over again and still learn and discover the unknown. All peace comes from the understanding of what truly is. It took fifty years of suffering for me to understand and keep understanding that suffering is no longer needed in order to live life as a whole.This is beautiful. 🙏
I'm so lucky to hear that!
56:07 - 01:01:10 The insight dispels the centre of darkness
01:03:39 - 01:07:15 There is no 'how' to the insight. 'How' puts you back into the pattern.
01:21:08 - Why hate is natural and love is unnatural
Definitely important bookmarks these are..! Thank you...
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A Great discovery from a SAINT for human mankind. Which can transform our miserable life into pure experience. 🙏
For God's sake
Not experience!
J would say
Amazing revelations ,step by step removes our darkness so that we see light .TRUE Sir, insight is so natural,why we did not explore it before K SHOWED IT TO US.thanks a lot.
These discussions are great
58:10 , the flash is the fire that burns up the material process and that fire just instantly burns up any material consciousness that it observes which is the dispelling of the darkness.
1:47 - If one is concerned with fundamental change, where does one begin?
7:15 - What will change the brain?
15:44 - Is there a function in the brain that is not touched by its content?
20:17 - Is there an activity which is independent of the content?
30:14 - A can act on B
43:53 - Cause, and no cause
51:40 - Insight illuminates
1:02:19 - How does the flash of illumination come about?
1:07:38 - Why don’t we have insight from the beginning?
1:26:04 - If it is natural to ‘X’, why isn’t it to ‘A’?
only a couple of thousand here , hope the most of us SEE all these!
Thought has to be silent so that insight can operate, that is, the material process must pause/stop/end so that it makes space for the other to be. Otherwise, insight cannot operate on the material process just like the material process can't operate on it. This is what i found.
If so, what is the entity that silence thought? or does thought silence by itself? Or what is the state of inquiry which determines the end of thouht?
Yoy cannot stop or pause the material process
You can not do anything
When the cause ends the Causeless remains.
There’s something that i cannot really grasp on , in previous conversations j said that humans are naturally irrational and that they get caught up with knowledge and thought immediately and here he’s saying that such insight and having no response is so natural for some, which means they’re naturally rational
Some are naturally irrational some are unnaturally rational some are unnaturally irrational some are naturally rational but what will change the brain?
deeper level of matter not conditioned by content.....wow what a discovery
Ive had this all life. Insight. It goes away when i get influenced by what k would call the ”common” mind. Contemplation yoga silent action promotes it. Hanging out with normal people demotes it.
For you.
Then you don’t “have it”, otherwise no demotion or “losing” would happen
They who say they have it don’t have it…
No 6, I am still hanging on :)
Same here
The difference between a, b, c and x. y, z could be how their senses operate... either they operate harmonized or lobsided...?
Wow❤
K keeps repeating, "Why some gets it naturally while others don't?"
Some, like children, are less conditioned, while others are gravely conditioned.
While K has been trying to get them understand and clear of their conditioning, especially B, they don't get it or try to ignore it, out coming from such hardcore conditioning to be irresponsible. They don't respond adequately, perhaps out of greed....
Perhaps, that's what K is asking, to take the responsibility, for their position. And change the way of education....
Because the illnesses and so on, K hadn't been quite conditioned, as he talked about.
Is it that K is saying that if humans are not conditioned, it is natural to have loving heart...?
1:05:19
The words that are generally used in English are not that specific, Hindi and Sanskrit belonging to the yogic sciences are very specific in these. Wakefulness would be a better word for consciousness, and so on...
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... while "partial" insights happen in subjects areas as arts and science, "total" insights come through relationships and life ...?
Total insight comes when the content is empty (The self what you call yourself), human relationships can only make you learn and condition your behaviour nothing else therefore artists and philosophers have half insight because to dwell deep into yourself you have to have some solitude
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I love listing to these lectures, what makes me doubt these lectures now is why Krishnamurtui does not have the ability to dissolve his cough with simple expended observation? Is it fair to ask a question when man is enlightened he can easily dissolve bodily consciousness into wider dissolved? I know first hand experience that I can do this with itching if the body, yawning, or any sensation that needs observation into non existent side of what is. I also know that at times I do not have power over it but I also know that consciousness allows and is always undoubtedly unobstructed , unhinged nor bias. Where there is bias is of concentration of matter actually dies hing. What is consciousness telling me that right now? That the greatest man this century had is __________.
He is dissolving psychological problems not physical
Body belongs to nature.. Not JK...
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In my opinion, let David Bohm be the philosopher
What do you mean?
Child is less conditioned ...? Because there was less accumulation of knowledge ... Can I go back there? Even to the day I was born, there could have still some memory or something about where I came from. Maybe this is what Jesus meant when he said, "Man must be born again." Or "You must becom like a child." A different way of saying what K says, "First see that I am conditioned and then understand my conditioning, by being aware of the self. What it thinks, says, does, feels in relationship ... Use all your senses balanced ... ? They both were saying the same thing in different ways
I found that there are quite a few similarities between the two when I watched K's dialogue with Alan W Anderson. Yet comparing them wouldn't do either one right. Especially since we don't actually know anything that Jesus said.
@@Criggeda I don't think I compare the two. Rather, I try to understand Jesus and his teachings nobody knows, by learning from K.
I think it is reasonable to think that all the enlightened teachers were saying the same thing, as K, that is "Know yourself." If you come to know Buddha, it is more obvious that Buddha viewed the human problems in 4, Aging, Dying, Being sick, and Living. It is universal problem for all animals.
Only thing is that Jesus didn't have the freedom to express.
If you're interested in that, when the bible says, "man took on a fleeting form", what is your take on that?
K refusing to believe that he is an enlightened being and therefore different from the rest of the people, tries to investigate the root of it all.
All beliefs are limitations.
at the end he says why his father responded with hate to hate but son responded with love to hate which was terribly natural to him but unnatural to others
why that son
what is special about that
I was looking forward to hear more on that! :(
Just be causeless.
is thought a material substance or is it a process in some other substance oh SIR just give me more i am in this journey along with u pl carry me further amazing penetration
I wonder how these discussions would've been more productive, had they known about dark matter..
It would be just a theory for J.K and he would have probably ignored it 🤔