Audio | J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm - Ojai 1980 - The Ending of Time - Conversation 7

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  • @silveriorossiadvogados
    @silveriorossiadvogados 4 роки тому +23

    I have lived all my life in darkness and now I understand the truth in the words of K. The insight may or may not happen when there is no movement of thought ..but it certainly will not come as long as there is a movement of thought.

  • @arabianorangutang
    @arabianorangutang Рік тому +5

    0:41 - Are human beings still acting from animal instincts?
    6:41 - Is insight perception?
    18:56 - Why is insight natural to ‘X’ and not others?
    27:31 - Continuously taking the wrong turn
    1:01:43 - The “ground” has no division
    1:18:20 - The mind emerges from, and goes back, to the timeless movement

  • @rockyrai7314
    @rockyrai7314 2 роки тому +11

    All this is possible with art of Listening. Listening with full attention.

  • @renukatandon7463
    @renukatandon7463 Рік тому +3

    SIR YOUR TEACHING IS FOR EVERY ONE .BUT perhaps every one is not for it.THANKS BOHM AND K

  • @asterixdergallier2743
    @asterixdergallier2743 4 роки тому +9

    Forteent years ago, a person with deep insight and love said exactly these words to me "there is no division" - for a moment, it lit up my darkness, I knew this man knew what he was saying, and spoke from love and wisdom, but then I fell back into distrust and suspicion, with the consequence of more stupid turns and immense damage. Krishnaji, do you now offer a second chance to a man who has lived with a sense of being doomed, after a lifetime of suffering?

    • @xdude57
      @xdude57 3 роки тому

      hope you are fine man

    • @lilcoin245
      @lilcoin245 2 роки тому

      I think so
      Listenin carefully

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      Once anyone comes in contact with JK,it is literally impossible to go away from him. People go away from him out of frustration for not having seen a result as they expected. Even in that aloofness their mind works with JK. JK is all about dissolving but not replacing one thing with other things.

  • @nikethannikethan6997
    @nikethannikethan6997 Рік тому +8

    krishnamurti and David bohm cure to depression

  • @drdiptisinghgopal433
    @drdiptisinghgopal433 2 місяці тому

    If one listens to him,every word throbbing in your being,it has a tremendous impact.I am speechless

  • @maracummings9767
    @maracummings9767 Рік тому +2

    These talks are amazing! Thank you! ❤

  • @vinayakpatil4047
    @vinayakpatil4047 Рік тому +6

    55:16
    Q. Insight is natural, what if there was no 'X'/'K' or any teacher to tell that there is absolutely no division (light and dark), how would I have flash/insight then

    • @home5893
      @home5893 4 місяці тому +1

      No teacher is needed to have an insight, it just happens so fast one doesn't have the time to really grasp it.

    • @ernestorodriguez7397
      @ernestorodriguez7397 4 місяці тому +1

      I definitely grasp K s explanation on insight. It s this flash that occurs out of discontent from a certain quality or trait. For instance, I suffered the first 50 years of life because of my lack of seeing my ignorance. One attempted to deny, escape, or accept it but not realizing that the suffering was caused from the self centered activity. I longed for security and pleasure not seeing that the hurt was being sustained. Once I understood the illusion, I was no longer hypnotized by it it. This takes a lot of energy to explore but it is so liberating. 🙏

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      ​@@home5893 I don't think so. Till my middle age I was searching endlessly to know the ultimate truth..I came to know JK accidentally from a book written by a foreign author. The moment I went through JK,my search for truth stopped completely. I never read any other book there after. Ultimately the mind holds nothing. So every moment is new&afresh.

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 4 роки тому +6

    The endless movement of the Ground, and human mind is doing the same ... without realizing ... Perhaps in that statement, K is talking about the movement of Creation K often ask us, "What is creation?"
    And "the right way"of doing it could be, as K often asks listeners "Can you die to everyday, every moment?"

  • @her26mlifecount21
    @her26mlifecount21 Рік тому +1

    Incredible 🙏🏾❤️

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 роки тому +5

    "Constantly taking the wrong turn when
    there is constant opportunity to make the right turn"....
    When does it happen to turn right or wrong?
    When could have been the first wrong turn, in my life...?
    How am I going to dispel the darkness that makes me turn wrong, constantly?...
    "In that ground, no division as light and darkness"...
    Putting away division, ... as the creator of the division ... me/ not me...?
    "There is no God and man"....

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      For me,the biological part of being is the ground.Heartbeat makes the biological part vibrant. Thoughts translate these vibration into matter & stores that matter in the brain as memory. That memory is the darkness. Vibration emitting from the biological matter is the truth .

  • @lilcoin245
    @lilcoin245 2 роки тому +2

    Just listening is enough...

  • @pratik6342
    @pratik6342 4 роки тому +2

    Eye opener 🙏

  • @mehmetediz9852
    @mehmetediz9852 4 місяці тому +1

    If there is light, there is no darkness. If there is no light, there is darkness. Darkness does not affect light, but light eliminates darkness.

    • @karenann5090
      @karenann5090 4 місяці тому

      You explained that perfectly.

  • @Venom_590
    @Venom_590 5 років тому +23

    If you listen carefully these discussion alone can enlighten you.

    • @Venom_590
      @Venom_590 5 років тому +3

      @@sahilvasava i can't say,but i do wanna say insight comes when you listen to him with full attention without any preconceive notion or any prejudice and at the same time understanding him completely.

    • @Venom_590
      @Venom_590 5 років тому +1

      @@sahilvasava don't think too much of insight otherwise you ll make it an idea and that will create obstacles.Insight is not in your hands.

    • @Venom_590
      @Venom_590 5 років тому +2

      @@sahilvasava And i think total insight comes when you are not looking through knowledge-- as you know knowledge is limited / fragmentary/ partial so by using knowledge you can't see yourself in its entirety or whole.

    • @CrisisInConsciouness
      @CrisisInConsciouness 4 роки тому

      what is the nature of something which is "Causeless...."
      what can you attribute to something which is not "Matertial"(not matter)..

    • @ancientoneironaut1201
      @ancientoneironaut1201 4 роки тому +6

      Danger there. Having hope of being enlighten or whatever listening to this can led to illusions because hope is part of the process of thought. Time, goal, all that

  • @lokeshparihar7672
    @lokeshparihar7672 2 роки тому +1

    6:38 reason as a form of perception of order rather than mechanical rules of logic.
    47:34 can i listen in darkness?
    listening reaches source of movement whereas observation does not.
    1:00:01 lightness and darkness are not divided
    1:10:32 death and human struggles have no meaning , mind(universal) and matter emerges and dies back into that movement(ground)

  • @jorgegarciapla6880
    @jorgegarciapla6880 2 роки тому +3

    A question, for the people that can be found in this space:
    When you heard Krishnamurti for the first time, did you say "Exactly, you're right, no one is used to say these things"? Or "how interesting, this man has something fascinating"?
    I mean, who has ever understood Krishnamurti instantly?
    Thanks😊

    • @williamhutchinson8881
      @williamhutchinson8881 Місяць тому

      I knew that he was reputable before I heard of him. I knew he had the right message, but how slow he dispersed it put me off. I’m still drawn to him because I heard these talks were good. I should be more bored, but I’m not.

  • @eu5969
    @eu5969 2 роки тому +5

    This dialogue can radically change your brain cells

  • @jonA9411
    @jonA9411 2 роки тому +2

    49:30
    K:"HE SAYS THERE IS NO DIVISION. HE IS THE FLAG TO MEE!!! I wonder if i am being clear"
    Moody " Can we make it a little bit more clear?"
    Very funny :D

    • @rusher9864
      @rusher9864 2 роки тому

      The problem starts when u think there is division as light and dark
      but in reality there is no division at all
      which stops us from taking the wrong turn
      It's a little out of the box but makes sense since I was also not ready to take a leaf of faith which I already denied way before

  • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
    @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

    I think there is no movement in the ground but only the vibration. Vibration is not a movement. It keeps vibrating irrespective of time or any other fact. Only a mind in silence can establish contact with the ground.

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 роки тому +1

    What have I missed? Why can't I listen in the darkness, while darkness wouldn't have any effect on my ears but rather helpful ... although it would on the ability of my eyes...?
    "Someone shouts in the wilderness"... does this mean that I am to rely on my ears, not eyes whose major function is as the tool in comparing and competing, as we have been trained..?....

  • @alwaysonsugar
    @alwaysonsugar 7 років тому +3

    Very interesting.

    • @ivangohome
      @ivangohome 6 років тому +1

      1:20 the best part!

  • @Gaurav.P0
    @Gaurav.P0 Рік тому

    Wow❤

  • @Tea-tl2pv
    @Tea-tl2pv 3 роки тому +1

    The 'flash' - can we say when accumulated thought , thought processes , perception 'ripens' into a 'fact/flash' the Consciousness just ejects that ' knowing'. But happens only with people of integrity and compassion. So flash by nature is instinctive and random
    The true Seeker sees the flashes. Not everyone

    • @home5893
      @home5893 Рік тому

      To seek what? The seeker only provokes thought it seems.

  • @SacredSilence95
    @SacredSilence95 9 місяців тому +1

    28:08 go there if you want to see a very rare occasion where Krishnamurti approves a sentence from Maria. Poor Maria, I'm happy for you xD

    • @Ispeaktruth12
      @Ispeaktruth12 5 місяців тому +1

      She used to sound like someone dumb trying to look intelligent in a discussion most of time 😂

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 роки тому

    "Hating I want the other"... Love...?

  • @leilamobasserii
    @leilamobasserii 2 роки тому +1

    ❤️

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 роки тому +1

    "Insight is based on logic ... not rules. " Human ancestors-parents have kept conditioning the species with animal instincts, and the majority of the members of the species think and act the same as before , habituated survival instinct of animals and evolving through that way.... Then looking into daily life logically brings insights and then changes can come ...?

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      Insight is not based on logic. Logic operates through using cause& effect. When there is no thought operating then only there can be insight. However we cannot bring insight consciously.

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 роки тому

    Saying, "This question has been asked many times in different parts throughout the world. Why?" isn't K asking the scientists, "Why do you do that?"...? Then the answer from the scientists would go around and round and round in circles, to come back to the same question...!
    Round and round ... Habit- conditioning? Laziness? The egotism of the scientists? Or sheer blindness of ignorance of the self...?

  • @sylviagung1007
    @sylviagung1007 3 місяці тому

    endless movement without death without division without wall... that is endless creation...?
    in the endless "field" of sentient energy... that is the ground they are talking about...?
    "Mind is this movement that is this ground... being in the movement... enveloping man"...?

  • @gabrielguitiánestrella
    @gabrielguitiánestrella 2 роки тому

    Wow

  • @ramongomez8849
    @ramongomez8849 2 роки тому

    🙏🏻

  • @robertopuccianti8498
    @robertopuccianti8498 2 роки тому

    🙏💥🧡

  • @SuperCacapedo
    @SuperCacapedo 4 роки тому

    Is this discussion repeated? I swear I’ve already heard it earlier in the playlist

  • @nikethannikethan6997
    @nikethannikethan6997 2 роки тому +1

    wat happens wen we realize that we are the ground?

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      First of all ur mind is still. That ground being the inside u able to comprehend any thing that comes to u. It means ur living will be in total order. U can only do the right thing. Doing things the right way ends in showing the right result. U become effortless. U know at that point what to do exactly.

  • @אורןאבנון
    @אורןאבנון 2 роки тому

    You cant eliminate time and ask how to dispel darkness.

  • @reee896
    @reee896 Рік тому

    After that my brain is no more an animal it is whole

  • @tarunbhardwaj1771
    @tarunbhardwaj1771 3 роки тому +3

    Isn't this all speculative? The ground, the universal mind, slowing the brain decay and all! It is as good as God which is the groud, universal mind as they Maya and immortality 😀. Beyond a point, it is difficult to follow with same set of rules that Jiddu sets up in the beginning.

    • @xdude57
      @xdude57 3 роки тому +1

      100% speculative. Based on 'logic'

    • @williamhutchinson8881
      @williamhutchinson8881 Місяць тому

      Saying all these so slowly over so many hours does not seem logical or practical, but he seems to be operating beyond that. Maybe he’s giving you plenty of time to let your mind rear its ugly head and say “this is boring, he knows nothing” while you also know that he’s more than that.

    • @matheswaranchinnathampi2721
      @matheswaranchinnathampi2721 Місяць тому

      What makes you think it is speculative. You think speculative because u don't get what u expect at the end. The mind can recognise only the known but not the unknown.But what was born out of going with JK is unknown. That unknown is the insight which knowledge can't capture. But insight impacts life in an extraordinary way.

  • @sadhwani83
    @sadhwani83 3 роки тому

    1:12:00

  • @gocorona4381
    @gocorona4381 4 роки тому

    I am here

  • @jimmybolton8473
    @jimmybolton8473 3 роки тому

    AS ARE I

  • @mick6812
    @mick6812 11 місяців тому

    Thought is trying to keep its mouth shut…

  • @awanishsingh5223
    @awanishsingh5223 10 місяців тому

    X is Krishnamurti