Europe's Not Ready for an Air War Against Russia
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Dr. Justin Bronk rejoins the conversation to discuss the ways in which Europe's air forces are ill-prepared to go against the Russian threat.
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Justin is a tremendous asset to your channel and anyone else he is allied with. We appreciate very much Ward your channel and it's forthright handling of so many important issues. May both you and Justin remain strong and able. Thank you for your service.
Even pro Russian media use him as a source…
Absolutely!
Hiya, How are you doing today and where are you from?
Russia can't gain air sup in Ukrain yet all of Europe... ridiculous
@@debbiemilka2251 Hi girl
We always talk about how "expensive" something is....but when shit hits the fan...and we are at war....cost is a non factor. It doesn't matter what it costs to save your nation. Even during peace time....I would rather have hundreds of billions of dollars of stuff just rusting away....than need it and not have it.
Lead times are a far bigger issue than cost
It takes ages to build airplanes, or tanks
@Johan Van Hoof and the only way to avoid lead times when you need the stuff the most is to spend a lot of money when it's not popular to.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 Keeping the old stuff around and in fair nick, would be a good start.
Ukraine shows you don't need the latest & greatest.
They're using WW2 howitsers, and (thru UK) our Belgian M109s that had been sold off for next-to-nothing.
When the $h!t really hits the fan, you'd still have Dad's Army around to use them after a short retraining
Expense can be monetary, material, or even time cost. Something expensive can be costly in one or more of these factors. Often it is monetarily because currency is used as a measure of work hours in an economy. Which allows manufacturers and sellers to best deal with a supply and demand curve of an item. Obviously war creates unusual demands on certain good, but that is why costs go up during war for certain goods. The needs of the state military take precedence so it costs more to produce for civilians. Every state needs a functioning economy, otherwise anarchy will reign. People need to eat, they need shelter, if those needs are not met you will start to lose control.
So yes the term "Expensive" is still very much applicable. We also have to take into account whether having a mass quantity of something is a good idea, over a smaller but much more capable force. Obviously the losses you take are harder to replace, but the goal of a war is not always to out attrition your foe. Indeed that just leads to more deaths for your people, which some nations simply cannot afford. So if that option is unacceptable, then you must go with a higher quality force that can win decisively. Which means usually shedding older equipment for new cutting edge gear and training. At least that is the idea on paper, we all know that isn't what always goes down in practice.
@@Wannes_ I agree. That's exactly why we need to be building and storing them now. We can make the storage as best as possible to avoid any major damage or rot over time. They should literally just need the fluids changed, get everything greased up, and be ready to be used.
Very good round up video, I am an ex cold war soldier(UK) and have been disgusted over the last decades as the UK governments have rolled back the skill sets we had up to the 1st Gulf war. Cutting equipment before replacement equipment is available (carriers, AWACS, Nimrod, Harrier, Tornado) Even to the extent that Current RAF pilots are not what their cold war forbears were, fully night flying air refilling and much more. I live in a county where Ive watched over these decades bases just being closed and gutted with no long term thinking leaving us vulnerable, as you say military's procurement run by "bean counters" an not strategists. Great Channel Ward very well done best Regards Phil.
Good post - we need to order replacement Typhoons to replace Tranche 1, 3 or 4 more Wedgetails, Sentinel replacements, more F35 to replace the Harriers that could operate off unconventional runways (as in Germany) , more A400M / Hercs and missiles. Thats just the list for the RAF.
@@AnthonySpringall Agree on all counts but I would like to see a bunch of F35As as well. Latest tranche Typhoons, agree on the Wedgetails, a bunch more A400Ms, another squadron of Poseidon's.
Then there is the laundry list for the RN, Marines and Army...
I have the same thoughts, the UK spends much more on gimmegrants than it does on defence. The politicians are shameful.
How about the vaunted W. Germans. They, up until the collapse of the wall, used to flex a big, fat muscle.
Not so great brittain is doomed, man, in a few years it does only exist as an bunch of isles, an archipel, because the russian will throw a Poseidon bomb near the Faroer Islands, and then its over, England & co. That means, not only the Brits will nearly dissappear because of the high Tsunamis caused, but also Denmark, the Netherlands and North Germany.
That's not my prediction, but the concrete prophecies of more than 10 prophecies for the near future.
This is one of the most informative channels on UA-cam. Please continue doing what you're doing.
If just ukraine can keep the Russian airforce at bay how could Europe not??
@@REDVETTExxx I suggest you watch the interview and pay attention
@@MrRobertX70 Im still watching but yeah my comment wad during the vid. Really just me thiinking out loud. But thx for the advice 🤣
@@MrRobertX70 That was too kind wasnt it? I suggest u eat a dick. Good day
Hands down
Congratulations Justin on your recent professorship 🎉
Europe has cashed in big time on the peace dividend - and is now paying the price.
Here in Belgium, we sold off our Leopards, Gepards, at below scrap metal prices - no more tanks !
We have no land based air defence systems whatsoever - not even manpads
We could drive one of our 2 frigates upriver until it runs aground, and use its Sea Sparrows ...
What gets left out in so many of these conversations is that the air war really starts in space. The opening moves of a peer conflict will inevitably involve trying to disable an opponent's space assets.
Nuclear weapons will be used to knock out all space assets and the energy grids. EMP effect etc. I doubt highly that Any Peer of the usa (CHINA, Russia) Not sure if Russia can be called a peer.. Considering how incompetant their military is. But that said.. Any war involving these three will be nuclear. There is NO question about that. Anyone who thinks it won't be.. is naive
Agreed. Space Warfare will be critical.
(Space, Cyber, etc.)
Good thing the USA has space force 🦅🇺🇲💥
@@johntthurmon Space assets, maybe, not so much in the way of force. Unless they've got the equivalent of the Stealth fighter, undisclosed, waiting in the wings
@@BeechComer I bet we have moon lasers or something cool
Always great to listen to Dr. Bronk.
Justin is by far my favorite guest! Always a must watch when he is on
Congratz on your Doctorate Justin well deserved
Great interview. I've never realized that depolying Amraams is a possible one-off disclosure of that technology and it possibly lessens its effectiveness against other adversaries down the line.
Greetings from the newest NATO member country!
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Yes, it was a big deal for Australia and Canada to get the AIM-120D.
Welcome to the club! We're glad to have you.
As the AMRAAM program ages (it started in the late-Cold War), the older versions (A and B) inevitably become available to more allied militaries because the technology becomes outdated compared to the latest and greatest versions. The same has happened to the older versions of the Javelin, Stinger, and the ATACMS. Even if adversaries get a hold of one of these older versions intact, the intelligence value is not as great as the newest version.
We’re graduating to AIM 260, and the Russians will probably have a difficult time reverse engineering the AIM 120D, which is the previous generation missile. ATST, the Europeans like to use the Meteor AA Missile.
Hear hear! Welcome from Canada!
Thank both of you for 45 minutes of grown up conversation, well done!
Thank you both. An excellent and informative episode.
Always such a treat to have Bronk as a guest. He's knowledgeable, pleasant to listen to, not hyperbolic or full of nonsense. Just great intel, clearly delivered.
I'm sure many have pointed out. All this is great info but we know one thing for certain. Of those not ready for an air war I think Russia is demonstrably near the top of that list. Humor aside, great video as always. Many thanks for sharing your time and information with us.
Thankfully Russia has shown that it is also not ready. 😢
And busy in ukarine
But they're not idiots. And war is a hard teacher. I think the Russian Air force will be better in 5 years, regardless. Now whether they are bigger will depend on a lot. Can't predict. They're not losing planes right now. But if they actually commit their air force we don't know what will happen.
They still outnumber Ukraine 100:1, they can afford to lose more. Given 5 years to fix their supply and training pipeline, will Europe be any more capable than they are today?
Now Russia might grind down their budget so much they can't but look at North Korea, you can do a lot when your citizens are no longer a concern. I expect Russia to be much more mobilized in a few years.
And also I expect within 10 years U.S. will simply have to tell Europe "Russia is your problem, we're busy. You can have some army to make sure our nuclear deterrence is taken seriously. But our Navy and Air force is needed out East.
@@doomedwit1010 They’re idiots, the US military is not going to leave Europe, Russia will be far weaker militarily on 5 years. 🤡
@@doomedwit1010Russia can’t afford shit.
@@doomedwit1010 Russia cannot fix their supply and training pipeline in 5 years, or historically speaking probably not even 10 years.
The amount of humble listening on Ward's side is a testament of great respect, Sir. Good show as always.
From 1990 until 1998 the Air Force had scores of Prime Beef civil engineers that had a well practiced mission of rapid runway repair in the European theater to counter the Soviet threat. It went away after Desert Storm.
Prime Beef was still a thing when I was in in 2014 until I left Hurlburt Field.
Prime BEEF as in Base Engineer Emergency Force and Prime RIBS Readiness in Base Service and RED HORSE Rapid Engineer Deployable, Heavy Operational Repair Squadron, Engineer?
@hoghogwild I was told when I was their functions got combined and they kept the red horse name.
Justin is incredibly smart and it’s great you let him talk and get his point across.
Hopefully we’ll continue to see him on the channel.
Yes he is, Justin is impressively smart
Again a great video. Justin shares great content!
Hello Ward, I'm sitting here watching your video in Norway assisting in the integration of Finland and Sweden into NATO and just wanted to say how much I rely on and enjoy you program. Keep up the inspiring work and keeping us informed, sometimes scuttlebutt is more clear than a direct order. 😃👍
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Great as always Chaps! Thankyou!
Awesome presentation gentlemen, thanks for sharing your time and knowledge
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I was waiting for another episode with Justin!
As always! Great talking from start to end.
Awesome stuff! Great job as usual Ward & Justin.
Continued fabulous content. All of your guests are outstanding! I would have serious trouble picking a favorite. I look forward to all of your posts. Keep up the great work.
Always great to have Justin on… great info and insights as always…
That opening artwork is great Mr. Carroll! Good stuff dude
I can listen too Justin for ages . Always interesting
Always good to hear from Justin :) Thanks Mooch!
Thank you Ward and Jason. Excellent content and insight. Best regards. Rod.
An excellent interview. Having been a USAF pilot and completed 135 combat missions over Laos, I would suggest that providing F-16s would be of little value without the support of command and control as well as ISR and tanker support. I would envision a number of tankers in anchors over Moldova and Romania along with UAVs and 135 assets in stand-off mode.
What would be necessary is the use of F-16 wild weasel flights to neutralize the surface-to-air capability of Russia.
I don't see this happening. What are your thoughts?
My thoughts are that Ward should interview you about Laos. What were you flying?
Yup. F-16CM even will have a hard time in the MiG-31BM and Su-35SM with R-37M WEZ. It will struggle to employ SEAD mission profile weapons under the S-300/S-400 umbrella interlocked with MiG-31s and Super Flankers with the new long sticks. It really is a mission for F-35s, and Ukraine isn’t getting F-35s. F-35s would humiliate the MiG-31BM and any Sukhois due to the unfair NEZ and WEZ profiles it can cover, without being targeted themselves. Multi-ship JSF could attrit the air and surface threats in coordination with surface-to-surface long range fires to press the attack on nodes in Crimea, Yeysk, and Primorko-Akhtarsk.
Execute those simultaneously with heavy weapons employment on the Kerch bridge at multiple points, and it’s game-over for Crimean control by Russia. Even with F-16s, I don’t think this mission profile is possible due to the F-16’s RCS value.
Does the Adder still beat the current AMRAAM? Though probably not disclosed if that’s flipped….never got into DCS after F4.0, so my mental threat library is dusty.
I nearly said, 'The short answer is - You're right'.
*In fact that is the WHOLE answer* ..... You summarise the technicl/tactical situation succinctly
Politically its an unlikely scenario unless Putin or his minnions go nuclear.
@@Dafnessific R-77 variants are decades behind AIM-120C and D series. AIM-120 has 41 years of live-fire testing, combat employment, and refinement across multipole increments with the A/B/C/D models. Chinese and Indians say the RVV-AE missiles they were sold are fault-prone just in storage, have limited WEZ, and suck overall.
Excellent as always.
Very good, I found this one both enjoyable and informative and also the new guitar is absolutely lovely.😊
I enjoy these analyses so very much. Thank you!
Always love listening to this amazing young man !!!!
Regarding the title: Not what I’m hearing from family and friends that fly in one of the NATO european air forces 😅
“It wouldn’t be pretty at all, we’d have some things working against us, but it would still end in carnage on the other side.” seems to be the common opinion here 😅
Really knowledgeable content, well explained. Very appreciated.
Interesting as always,thanks justin and ward.
It seems to me one of the biggest lessons we need to learn from this war in Ukraine is that war production will absolutely matter in a major conflict, and considering how technological our weapons have become, is that going to be difficult to do? Can we ramp up the way we did in 1942? This is a great video that talks about a lot of important topics, but I think ammunition of all kinds will be the key bottleneck that needs to be solved.
We cannot. We go to extraordinary means to ensure no mistakes are made when building infrastructure, and likely cannot do it quickly anymore. Just telling the lawyers and bureaucrats to sit will not let the people who actually do things spin up from a year plus to build something to doing it in the couple months we used to.
@Mitchell Couchman Fuel would not be an issue at all. Fuel in this country can be made by Texans without outside help and likely in spite of outside interference. This is part of why the Left doesn’t worry about attacking oil companies shamelessly. Just like they they abuse their own black voters, they know the fuel will show up as will the black vote.
We put so much faith in precision weapons when its unguided munitions which perform roles such as area denial and suppression. Human beings are tricky to defeat and having an opponent waste expensive guided munitions is absolutely an objective that planning staffs have in mind.
If Russia is your enemy, then thats not much of a concern lol. We got more production than they any day of the week.
China is more complicated.
This is the best and most relevant discussion on UA-cam at present. Fantastic job!
As usual, excellent information and insight.
Great content, and I like how you keep things grounded on that actual topic instead of the "Top Gun" outsider view. Your explanation that air superiority means you can fly aircraft at or near the battlefield without having to worry as much about being shot down by ground based defenses is important.
The Baltic countries could perhaps just arm themselves to teeth with layered SAM systems since the geographic area they are responsible for defending is so small. In their case the high-end fighter aircraft fleets would not produce as high utility for cost as for geographically larger areas of operation.
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awesome conversation here. well done!
excellent job as always and great guests, thanks.
Never been played. Still got the old tagger on it.
You’ve seen enough of that one!
Love the new axe Mooch! Sweet Jackson!!!
An excellent piece and eminent;y watchable. Thank-you for the time you both took to produce it, 👍🏻
Another great episode. Thanks a mil 👍
My favorite guest. Thanks for the insights.
Well done guys, alway love these briefings.
Thank You Ward for having Justin on the channel, very imformative!
As always a Great channel, with informative guests!
I have a few problems with this analysis...
One is: It is based of what Russia (and China) claim their weapons are capable of, not what they have shown to be capable of in Ukraine. They can not even hit a landing strip on an airbase with their cruise missiles, but the fields surrounding it. They can not hit a giant gevernment building in Kherson with their most modern one and dive it into the lawn right in front of that. They cannot hit ammo depots or military bases but hit the villages or towns surrounding it etc.
Second is: Especially Russia does not have modern means of surveillance a NATO with the US has. Europe could launch low flying cruise missiles wich are actually accurate aimed at planes on their way back from a mission and hit them 5 minutes after they landed and just began refueling due to practially live satellite imaging of the airbases.
Agreed, horrifically corrupt governments claiming they have doomsday weapons that are far beyond the arsenal of any NATO country is a joke. China has not actually fought any modern war, they've had several leaps in technology eras in which they have had no experience with and will be terribly ineffective at operating them in the field.
You nailed it. Russian hardware rarely lives up to spec or even close. Chinese hardware is generally copies of Russian junk do you think it will perform well?
It’s all nonsense the American military is far and away better than Russia and China.
Everything you just stated is simply wrong mate.... did you realise russia has launched 3 new military satellites in the last month? What do you think that is all about..
Are you kidding, or what?
You think that they don't have the ability to see what you're doing?
@@BaronEvola123 russia does not have the technology to let them see through cloud cover with their satellites, Ukraine has.
Thank you for posting this intelligent discussion.
Great analysis. Thanks Guys.
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I’m impressed by some of the lower tech that Ukrainian is using, almost asymmetrical in a sense, like that effectiveness of flat pack cardboard drones. The utility of these, and other UAV’s multiply the ability to take on air defense/anti air.
🇦🇺cardboard drones from Australia! Genius.
If the Russian military wasn't so incompetent with their Logistics they could have made it to the capital in a week or two but instead they ran out of supplies and walk back out of fuel flat tires no command you name it
@@thebosscatman7 I don’t think that was incompetence, rather the result of corruption and the long starving of the military funding in the era of post Soviet oligarchs rule. Typified by the replacement of the energetic fill used on tank armor by inert cardboard…
@@alanaspurling6469
AKA incompetence by the pen and suit rather than boots and bullets.
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Speaking of the Jackson guitar in the video, 1 year ago I bought my dream guitar, it's a Alpine White Kramer jersey star. It was originally designed for Richie Sambora who famously used it back in the late 80s in Bon Jovi.
Great Combo - always pleasantly interesting educational
NEVER quite ready until it happens.
He said air to air missiles will fall into Russian hands "unless they self-destruct". Surely more effort should be put into self-destruct mechanisms for the critical components in everything.
What an amazing conversation! I love these.
Another dense chocolate brownie of info from Ward and Justin! Thank you for providing this service 👍
Given that the Mig 29s are likely modified to accept NATO weapons and the willingness to adapt, improvise, and (hopefully) overcome there are some interesting combinations to consider. There are a few companies making fuses for 155mm rounds that are GPS (and that is not the only PTN signal in the air) guided -- Those should be easily adapted with the abilities of the old-fashioned AIM-54 guidance, giving JDAM or artillary similar hunting abilities to the AGM-88. That would spice things up a bit. As an aside, I remember when a retired Minuteman guidance module was presented to our electronics class with the challenge to remove any component in tact. The potting material had interesting optical characteristics, to say the least. One may be able to discern what it does by analyzing its behaviors, but not how it actually goes about those behaviors.
Ward you should make a clip of the part about "clown show" bit. That was awesome. Starts around 39:35.
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Great how Dr BRONK keeps things real and on point ,Thank you Ward Happy Easter everyone ,Still no Fender in the back ground
Always love to hear from Justin Bronk JB007
If Justin put a little more meat on his bones, he could be the next Bond. Get the Broccolis on the horn!!
Politicians: "the war is over, get rid of those assets." Same politicians at the start of the next war: "we have to pay $billions to my friends to rebuild the military."
Obviously we need to maintain those capabilities... but they aren't cheap. Military assets that spend 30 years doing nothing but sit in storage is a waste of money since that money could have went into infrastructure, healthcare, education, law enforcement, and more. This is a problem as old as warfare. The main problem with war is that fighting them require drastically more resource than during peace time. If the cost was stable, then it would be easier to justify and maintain that level of spending. For centuries armies have tried to find ways to minimize costs while being able to quickly mobilize. Yet every time someone tries, it turns out it just breaks the bank. The closest armies got to this level of readiness was WW1 and even then it didn't come cheap maintaining such military reserves and mobilization system. The armies of WW1 still saw significant material shortages when war broke out despite the economically crippling pre-war arms race that preceded it. You can never prepare enough for war, its a black hole draining all your resource. You can only be MORE prepared than the enemy but never enough.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 …Finland made a good job in preparing a strong army in peace time without compromizing its economic development… South Korea also as done the same, which means that with some discipline and focus its possible
This was a good one Mooch and thank you Justin
very interesting and informative ---- well done
I'm quite sure that the war planners have had the benefit of Dr. Justin Brock's expertise and that the war planners have run a zillion scenarios to explore options. Plan for the best and expect the worse. War changes the best laid plans at D1, H1.
Justin is the real life Jack Ryan.
This was a great interview I learned a lot. Justin is amazing on how clearly he can explain things. Thanks for the video!
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This is exactly why vertical takeoff and landing fighters like the F-35B or even Harriers will be so valuable when missiles start taking out a limited number of airfields.
F-35B is incredibly maintenance intensive. It’s readiness rate is appalling.
this would be a great regular monthly feature!
Planes and guitars!! Awesome. Love the Jackson!
I wonder if the old hawk missle systems have claimed an aircraft as of yet?
😄 I wouldn't bet on it?
Regarding the six month outlook to this conflict it should be considered there is one thing that will weigh more on western support for Ukraine than simply shipping weapons, equipment and training and it has nothing to do with military tactics.
The true black swan in this war is the dismal monetary condition of the western banking system. Washington and Brussels spending billions each month to support Victoria Nuland's proxy war will eventually come to a stop when banks begin collapsing as did Silicon Valley Bank, Signature Bank, Credit Suisse. Jamie Dimon (JP Morgan bank) said the banking crisis is NOT over. Speculating with military tactics and planning means nothing when the mothers milk dries up. Conversely Russia has been stacking gold for many years and carries very little debt and enjoys huge oil and gas reserves to sustain manufacturing. China has agreed to back stop them as an ally. All western countries have massive debt and relatively little real hard assets to backstop fiat euros and dollars making sustainability impossible. Forty nations have applied to join BRICS trading bloc and a total of seventy (so far) are opting out of US dollar as reserve currency. Those T-bills are coming home for redemption. Ukraine itself is totally bankrupt. The only thing we can hope for is the neocons restrain themselves from activating the "football".
Outstanding ward, thank you
Another great episode guys.👍
I love your channel! Great content, informative, and fun! Badass guitar!!!
Dude, Europe features F-35 fighters that have a 20:1 kill ratio against Russia's 4th generation fighters. In addition the F-35 was built for hunting down and eliminating Russia's S-400 SAM batteries.
When have F-35s been in combat vs. Russian 4th gen fighters?
@@ericpederson7613 I'm curious to know about that too. John sounds like one of those guys who'd talk smack about the Japanese right before Dec 7th 1941 only to get "Pearl Harbored" in the face.
Russian fighters were not at Red Flag.
Although I'd wager the kill ratios would be even more lopsided.
They've been up against very good F16 pilots from Europe and US at the Red Flag Alaska op, but I believe that kill ratio was 15:1.
None of that has been tested in real combat, it's all theoretical. And in war if you stake your life on theories you won't live long.
As usual an excellent summation by Justin, more so about the RAF's current capability. Once again, I feel that Ukrainian interests are best served by the supplying of MIG 29's from the abundent stocks throughtout the EU.
No.
MiG-29 are not "abundant," and what are available are 30 years old with 30 year old missiles. And because of the MiG-29's inferior radar, the Russian Flankers can see them and launch missiles at them long before the Ukrainians can even get them on their radar, never mind launch a missile at the Russians. No, the Ukrainians need something that can carry a meteor.
There's no abundant stocks.
Excellent analysis. Very interesting
An excellent and concise discussion.
Ward, have you ever covered the rationale for the retirement of the AIM-54 instead of adapting it to other types after the Tomcats retired? I'd go look, but that's a lot of eps to sift through. Either way, the use of AA-13s in this conflict is making that look like a dubious choice, in retrospect.
Likely cost related. The Tom Cat was retired for cost reasons, and the military was looking to make as much stuff share components as possible for best efficiency. Which is partly why the AMRAAM became the de-facto standard. The Phoenix by comparison is much larger, heavier, more costly to manufacture, and was becoming obsolete. The seeker head was not as good as the AIM-120. Which didn't hurt it's role for taking out bombers at max range, but makes it less appealing against other air threats. Plus the US wasn't worried about peer or near-peer threats at the time, so again a lower cost missile that does fine was more appealing.
Also consider that the AIM-54 was paired with the AN/AWG-9 radar to start in the failed F-111 naval variant. Which was ported over to the F-14 once that situation was resolved. It would likely cost more to update the seeker head, and then pair that missile with another radar (purely speculative here, I'm not an expert but I'm sure it's not free).
AIM-54 retired in 2004 whilst Tomcat retired in 2006. Each missile weighed approx 1000 pounds and the launchers carried them. While the -54C and its variants were much improved over the A version, it was a massive old missile.
The AIM-120 upgrades somewhat closed the gap so it wasn't seen as necessary to retain a big missile.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I wonder how many AMRAAM the F14 could have carried? There's a big weight advantage to the AMRAAM over the Phoenix. I'm guessing 8 would have been possible if they doubled up on the glove vane pylons....
Appreciate it gents. The AA-13 is pretty hefty too…but, I guess given rivalries and procurement competition it would make sense that the AF of time wouldn’t volunteer to strap the Phoenix onto Eagles. Or Aardvarks, for that matter. Presumably taking on the responsibility to update it, too.
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Thank you to you both
I relish the geek talk here, one can imagine Justin in MI-5 a British Jack Ryan with all the Tom Clancy talk.
How do we know Justin ISN’T MI-6? MI-5 is UK Domestic Intel, no? Like our NSA.
Hiding in plain sight.
Awesome interview. Fortunately Russia is even less ready than we are.
Not true at all lol
Another top notch interview!
I really enjoy Justin’s valuable contributions. It’s always excellent when you two make content as a team I fully concur with other more articulately expressed l praise prior to mine
I mean considering Russia can’t get air superiority over a tiny fleet of extremely antiquated mig-29s I’d say we don’t have much to worry about.
As Justin describes it, the concern isn't the ability of NATO to win air-to-air combat, but rather:
1. SAM air space denial. Russia has much more advanced systems than that Western air forces have faced in Iraq, Yugoslavia, or Libya and these have caused a high rate of attrition for Ukrainian Air Force.
2. Vulnerability of NATO airbases to surface-to-surface (and possibly long-range air-to-surface) missiles. These bases have been operated primarily with peacetime efficiency for three decades so are few in number and inadequately hardened.
3. Logistical issues related to peacetime operations vs. active military operations, especially if attrition from air defenses is a a problem.
@@jliller
1. ah yes the very effective SAMs that Russia has used which have shot down many of their own planes and yet can’t keep the Ukrainians from flying sorties in antique Soviet planes let alone advanced fifth gen fighters with advanced SEAD weapons.
2. Yea Russia knows where Ukraine airbases are too and yet they are still able to fly sorties and that’s without long range standoff from extensive use of aerial refueling to launch sorties from much farther away. Not to mention advanced anti missile defenses the west has and leverages to defend airbases.
3. Logistics is literally the US greatest strength. Russia has proven they can’t even supply their army as it invades a neighboring country with limited to no deep strike capabilities. The US has built its military around its logistics capabilities.
@@brandonl8039 Go back to Ace Combat.
@@Hornet135 haha, cute
@@brandonl8039 you're wrong. The situation in Ukraine is due to both sides having IADS and neither of them having anti-iads assets that the USA has. Europe does not have any of the anti-IADS assets the USA does that made Iraq and Yugoslavia smooth for everyone.
Also remember that all western European fourth generation fighters are even much worse and older in avionics than Russia's Su-35s.
Congrats on getting your PHD, Justin.
No easy thing to accomplish.
Well done and thanks for sharing your knowledge. I'ts nice to listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.