I still don't understand why there's no item from the weekly vault vendor that gives you an item that upgrades an item to the next track tier, this would solve the problem of having very good and valid trinkets from delve, but not the option of having them in mythic track version :\
@@R3byChan its already too easy as it is, that will make it even worse for replayability. the vault, the catalyst, the curios, the 2k or aotc mark is too much as it is
Im gonna tell you why bro, its bcs the Pro teams... go watch the MDI dragonflight season 3 and you will see teams running 4 DPS 1 Tank combo... thats why Blizzard turned up the difficulty in next season ( which we have still) and they said "" feed back from the community"" which community??? Thats the reason why the Mega dungeon of the expansion was only one season in the M+(S3
@johnd2946 yes season 3 was the best my main was the highest Ilvl I've ever been like 2 or 3 off from maxed. Anyways and then started my shammy and was getting into wow as a pro instead of casual. Now TWW I've been kind of pro but more casual I still have my alts to level up the game just ain't as good as that S3 DF to me anyways!
@Samiccus yes it was indefinitely the best but even if they did season 4s style where you got pieces from the raid and used them to buy the gear you needed to fill a spot or two that you didn't have already like I'm having that trouble now where I can't get a neck piece of even champion or hero to save my life like I have the worst luck for rings,necks, etc although I did get a nice sac brood trink from AK that's hero with extra leech for my unholy DK
M+ is dope. The casuals stay in 4s. We don’t need easier m+-. Delves are face roll and drop 610 gear. Do you know what it’s like for someone to show up for heroic Queen and had never pulled a single normal raid boss?
I have the time to raid mythic I just dont enjoy it anymore M+ should really be an all encompassing thing we should be able to get Myth Track gear for pushing deeper past 12's or something. It would give people more options and reasons to push.
I don't mind changing talents for different content or even from boss to boss, but my gripe is the loading bar for using the load out menu just make it instant
Lets talk about something first before saying the delves are easy method for gearing up... First after multiple weeks of luck you can get full hero gear from the Vault not from the delve itself... there you can get maximum champion item quality ( and hero if your lucky enough to get Delver's Bounty which have low drop rate...) then what comes, updating that hero gear with Runed Harbinger Crest till 4/6 max bcs stage 5 and 6 req Gilded Harbinger Crest which cannot be obtained via delves. Per delve run which lasts around 10, 15 mins beside on the grp, you collect 2 Runed Harbinger Crest while the mythic + gives 12 timed( for that 12 Runed Harbinger Crest that you can get from one M4+ run that lasts around 25 mins you have to do 6 delves which will last hour +) ... So the better solution still for gearing and updating that Hero gear is still M+. P.S. And when you get that full Hero quality gear you dont need Delves at all... ( luck finding ppl to do tier 9, 10, 11)
@lottoo5693 It was a pretty solid group and while I'm like 613 it was just that so many things were going off constantly that periodically I'd just get nuked even with all my kicks.
I get the point that you can get hero track gear in delves. But that is only a part of the story. Even if you have hero track gear, without the gilded crests from M+ there is no way of upgrading beyond 619 (champion track). I mean yes, you get 2 crest per run. This means a character having to upgrade 16 Items, 2 times with 15 crests means 240 delve runs. I don't see this as a real option. So getting beyond 619 isn't possible for casual players. If you drop them myth track on level 11 delves they would end up having itemlevel 623 becaus there is no meaningful way to upgrade the items. Another question is, why is this a problem for M+? I mean I do M+ for fun. Gear is not the reason, it is the necessity to push even higher. If delves pull away players from M+ we should ask why and then fix M+ instead of designing another system bad, just to ensure the existing system is still played.
Good. Then maybe they start actually seeking information how to defeat packs and bosses etc. How to setup an actual UI and keybindings. It REALLY isnt that hard. takes MAX a few hours ONE time and all your classes onwards are forever solved. You cant honestly belive entering M+ BLIND should reward anyone at a certain level? Lazyness is the worst.
@@maxitgames I don't see why you think they should start to get good. This is just a game. Means people don't want to learn this stuff. They want to start it and have fun. If they are stuck in delves (on 619), they are entering M+ because they need the crests. They don't want to participate in how we play. This is exactly the problem. So to say, delves are there to provide content for casuals. This content have to be designed in a way so that casuals have a whole season something to progress on. Let's say someone is doing 4 delves a week. If he has maxed out what he can get in delves within 1 month. What should this person do the next 5 month until the next season starts? I know what this person is doing at the moment. It is doing M+. This person don't want to learn mechanics and will never get better. This person it here for the crests because delves are no longer worth running. After a few frustrating trys this perosn will cancel the abo until the next season. And yes entering a M+ BLIND is ok. This is called learning by doing. I don't think a game should be designed in a way where you have to watch guides, videos and learn stuff before you start to play. How should you ever have the feeling of achieving something if you saw it in videos 100 times before you tried it on your own for the first time?
@@sknoppsi4413 pfft. Learn by doing is something you can do while 600 IL, not when you chase the actual max gear. You SHOULD start considering LEARNING the actual content you play when you hit a wall. This is such a weak mentality i have no words.
@@sknoppsi4413 Also, why would anyone care about salvaging the quitter from canceling his sub? Like why would we care? at all? He is CLEARLY too lazy to even play the game. We cant shape the entierty of the m+ genre based on lazy players.
@@maxitgames First we should care about subs because we want the game to stay health and get new features right? Second you didn't understand my intention. I don't want to make everything so easy that everyone gets everything. I want that all people have fun in the game. This means I don't want to force people into M+. A solution might be making crests available in delves. As I said having to do 360 delves to get to 619. And doing ~2k runs to get anywhere near 626 is not feasible. If you think we should not give delvers more crest access it is ok. Maybe we should limit the amount of crests in M+ so that delvers stop footing into M+ for crests? Lets say 6 crests for a timed and 3 for an untimed run? Means 6 crests in ~30 minutes which is still more then delvers get in the same time. And 3 for an untimed which is slightly less then a delver get. So there is no benefit for a delver doing M+. As I said initially. I don't think delves should be designed bad to justify the M+ content. And maybe delves are fine as they are and M+ schould be designed to not hinter Delves to thrive?
Racial should be way more impactful. I want it to matter. I want them to be bound to abilities depending on what clas you play. Pop wings on a paling as lightforged boom lights judgement fires
As a 45 year old with kids and Responsibilities... Delves are all I do now. But if M+ was more of a pushover I think msot folks would be happier and parties less toxic too. In 2004 when WoW first came out I Woukd group with folks, we would wipe a bunch and still keep going. Going after Arugal was great and it was about meta, speed, etc. Get back to that.
You have that already, anything under a 12, go face roll that and stop acting like you are entitled because you have less time to play. You want pushover m+ there are 11 levels of that for you.
Back in DF I did M+ with my guild and it was a cakewalk, everyone had the right add ons and voice coms made things so easy. My situation changed and I can’t play regularly anymore so I went back to playing casually, no raids, no organized M+. When I can I PUG M+ now in TWW, clearing a +4 (old +14) with a pug feels so much more as an achievement than clearing a +25 in DF with a set group. The community is the main issue, it feels like everyone has main character syndrome and talk shit all the time. I have seen so many people embarrass themselves by just being wrong about how the dungeons work. I enjoy Delves a great single player experience. I just wish they would buff Brann DPS spec damage a bit, when I delve on a Disc priest he does only 20-25% more damage than me, feels wrong. When I run on my Warlock his presence is irrelevant, and my Protection Paladin does more DPS than him.
I want Mythic to be queable so you can stop the "you need to be 600+!!" while the person making the group is 560 making it queable allows people to see the tactics of mythic + get slightly better gear for Mythic+ I 100% agree due to it being person key based that Myhic+ should stay as it is though.
Wouldn't change much. No tank or healer is going to want to waste their time queueing with randoms when they can cherry pick competent groups so you're just going to have a 1 hour queue as a dps.
You get gear for free in this game, takes less than 10 hours to be 610. Your reasoning makes no sense, the only people that want solo queue are players so bad no one wants to play with them but are too delusional to do lower keys that they are good enough for while they learn.
you miss the point , where people are still gonna leave , that"s something people don't understand , no matter what you do , you'll still spend 20 min in q , then people will leave , dungeon disband , its the same bs , but this time with even worst surrounding since you'll meet delve players having the freedom to q in your keys , yeah buddy gl with that. so many people say " ahm we need q system 🤓 and people genuinely think it will solve something , but they forgot that its community not the game.
Queing fixes 0 issues. A tank will hop into the que, inspect the group and just leave if he dosent like what he sees lol. A 30 min penalty wont stop him.
Xd literally only reason for tanks to leave is just that they can hop into another que for 5 minutes. Add solo que that deplete their key and lock em account wide for 30m-1h and lets see who will instantly leave lol, but depleting is trash concept all they have to do is penalise peoples time. The only reason i would prefer to do my weekly 10 on multiple healers is because if group disband i can hop into another instantly i don’t give a single shit how my team even looks unless i play super off meta healer. But they have to use their brains for once and cater to casuals and make m+ fun again for solo que to ever succeed. Lfg is already nearly dead either as 30-40% less people do m+ in comparison to df.
You want the solution? Take loot drops out of Mythic+ and Delves. May the reward be in the Great Vault. Any Delve or Mythic+ under a certain tier can award Heroic track from Vault. Anything 10+ can award Mythic track. This would make people want to push higher Delves (beyond a Delve 8) and Mythics. So just say Delve 10's and Mythic 10's can award Mythic track from the Vault alone. And of course, if you really want to reward the even higher key players, allow them to add additional sockets to Mythic track gear once they have completed tier 13's or 14's. And finally: Stop caring that casual players want to be able to enjoy the same quality of WoW life as everyone those top bracket players. Get over it! Either be satisfied with what you have, or learn your class better. Blizzard has already made it easy for you. What more do you want?
I would love for them to change the walking animations. They made them so childish. Everything bounces. Dwarves and Zandalari troll are painful to play because I cant stand the run.
No, just remove timer and let it be more difficult. Timer is make it boring but struggling to defeat boss or a pack of mobs with a lot of interruptions and other stuff would be nicer
@ i do 8's but as a casual player who plays pugs, it's difficult you know what i mean, and we got alts also that sometimes we want to gear so cutting down difficulty saves time
@@raynathanielcaparas8064 use addons , it tells you "frontal move" it tells you aoe incoming , track every mob and boss cd , i mean brother if you still can't manage to move and adapt , thats crazy.
@@raynathanielcaparas8064 No, i dont know what you mean. If you find it difficult you STILL havent understood what m+ is about. You are STILL letting Deadly abilities go off. You are 1000% STILL standing in swirleys and frontals. You are 10000% STILL pulling either too big for the amount of kicks the group have or what the healer can handle. Its a skillissue, not a system issue.
Use your abilities not only key 1-4, Kick spells on cd and Dungeons get easier ;) i Play my twink heal in low keys and ppl dont use their shit. Def cds and so on. So dont complain the Game is to hard
The players crying about mythic plus to be made easier are dumb asf, they literally complete the highest lvl u can to gain the max which is mythic 10, after that its just a waste really
@chrismansori551 I know what you're saying, but I play every class. Yes some it takes a bit longer for keys than others but I just end up running my own or just waiting it out until I get in. I'm not saying it's not flawed. I'm just saying M+ is easy
you know how pvp gear scales down in world content? what if delves rewarded high level gear all the way through tier 11, but the delve gear scales down when entering M+ or Raid content? that way people who enjoy group content don't feel like they need to run delves for the weekly vault and solo players benefit from better gear doing the content they like.
i might be high.. but only delve gear…effectively making delve gear its own track. i dunno. all i know is theres no point in doing delve tiers 9-11.. and lower level m+ is kinda irrelevant cause you can just get gear from delves instead of running shitty m+. and raiders are gonna raid no matter what anyway.
M+ is PERFECT as it is. As per usual its the community. People are simply to lazy to seek the information they need to perform at certain levels. Its litterally that simple. Like do people really expect going blind into any dungeon is a good thing? or should be easy? If you die to same abilities over and over again, its not a blizzard problem, its a YOU problem. Learn, adapt, overcome. Have some freaking pride. I would rather applaud blizzard for actually making mechanics and strats for packs and bosses rather than crying like a baby about it. If the community continues to expect free loot for no effort we are NEVER getting rid of / reduce the amount of groups disbanding and people not stepping into m+. Rather encourage people to seek information and solutions than to make content rediculously easy. TLDR: Stop beeing lazy and seek information. its not that hard.
I think DF season 4 was the best state. I hate that the Mythic grade loot is locked behind a fkn +10. (old +20) WITH tyrranical and fortified at the same time with a fkn 15 sec death penalty. The dificulty is fine, but that loot progression is shit, and i know im not the only one thinking this. There was no good reason to squish the keylevels. All it has done is making the pug scene misserable because people are in key levels they have no buisness in beeing in yet. So while i agree the difficulty is fine. This season is far from perfect, and what i mentioned is just some of many reasons. Inbefore: "git gud" L2 Read guide" "push your own key"
For me I ran the same dungeon 16 times for 1 trinket and it never dropped. 45 mins a run that's 12 hours of doing the same content over the course of 2 weeks just to not get what you wanted. To run a high end dungeon it takes an hour of studying the dungeon 20mins to get a group together then 45mins for the actual dungeon and the most of the time you get 50gold then you do it again and get another 50gold. Ill run a delve and get on with my life.
I unsubbed cause I got to Mythic+ and refuse to tolerate the toxicity it breeds and since there's no progression otherwise, game over I guess. I game to have a good time for the most part I don't need some 45 yo neck beard calling me names.
Do you think anyone really cares you unsubbed? Are you telling us to make your self feel important or like you not playing is some how meaningful to the grand scheme of things? No one cares no one will miss you. You are just not worth it.
Mythic plus trash. The community is so toxic. Make gearing simple and add in hardmodes for special cosmetic acheivments mounts. Just make gearing managable and not toxic as fuck
It really isnt toxic if you as a player ACTUALLY wasnt lazy AF and didnt seek information on how or what to kick etc etc. People are SICK and TIRED of NPC's like you who expects loot without doing ANY research WHATSOEVER. You think the people running 12-18 are not doing their homework? You think you can just sit in class without doing anything and get the diploma? NOT HOW IT WORKS.
@@RhodesianSuperioritypeople should have trouble with 10s because the best gear comes from doing them. should mythic raid also be made easier and then they release a MythicExtra difficulty raid with no loot and harder bosses? it's weird for m+ to give gear easily while mythic raid requires so much coordination you can argue that the best gear should be easy to acquire and that gear shouldn't be gatekept. but this is an MMO and there should be something to aspire to. in most games people aspire to become more powerful in the game. if power comes easily and everyone is at their strongest with minimal effort, what do we play for? people would quickly lose interest. should it just be an easy, but long, grind instead? that's even worse for the people who can't play much
I still don't understand why there's no item from the weekly vault vendor that gives you an item that upgrades an item to the next track tier, this would solve the problem of having very good and valid trinkets from delve, but not the option of having them in mythic track version :\
It could even be the catalysts? so they dont have to make a new currency/add something new to the game
@@R3byChan its already too easy as it is, that will make it even worse for replayability. the vault, the catalyst, the curios, the 2k or aotc mark is too much as it is
@@ummimnasty easy is to get hero track gear, but not mythic track for casual players.
@@ummimnastyyou LOVE the hamster wheel
They had the blueprint in S3 of Dragonflight. For some reason they threw it out and went with this garbage we see now.
Best season of Mythic Plus ever
Im gonna tell you why bro, its bcs the Pro teams... go watch the MDI dragonflight season 3 and you will see teams running 4 DPS 1 Tank combo... thats why Blizzard turned up the difficulty in next season ( which we have still) and they said "" feed back from the community"" which community??? Thats the reason why the Mega dungeon of the expansion was only one season in the M+(S3
@johnd2946 yes season 3 was the best my main was the highest Ilvl I've ever been like 2 or 3 off from maxed. Anyways and then started my shammy and was getting into wow as a pro instead of casual. Now TWW I've been kind of pro but more casual I still have my alts to level up the game just ain't as good as that S3 DF to me anyways!
@Samiccus yes it was indefinitely the best but even if they did season 4s style where you got pieces from the raid and used them to buy the gear you needed to fill a spot or two that you didn't have already like I'm having that trouble now where I can't get a neck piece of even champion or hero to save my life like I have the worst luck for rings,necks, etc although I did get a nice sac brood trink from AK that's hero with extra leech for my unholy DK
@@poemz87 who the fuck care what ppl do in MDI, let them do what they want, you are not in mdi whene you do your weekly key and want to have fun.
M+ is dope. The casuals stay in 4s. We don’t need easier m+-. Delves are face roll and drop 610 gear.
Do you know what it’s like for someone to show up for heroic Queen and had never pulled a single normal raid boss?
I have the time to raid mythic I just dont enjoy it anymore M+ should really be an all encompassing thing we should be able to get Myth Track gear for pushing deeper past 12's or something. It would give people more options and reasons to push.
I don't mind changing talents for different content or even from boss to boss, but my gripe is the loading bar for using the load out menu just make it instant
Just try a +10 as a heal u will get exhausted
Revert tanks and heals back to before TWW nerfs.
Tanking is shit right now I wish it would go back to
Everyone got too used to tanks being immortal. It's fine that you actually need a healer to top you off..
What did they change to high mountain Tauren to make them better at tanking? I love Tauren 😊
Lets talk about something first before saying the delves are easy method for gearing up... First after multiple weeks of luck you can get full hero gear from the Vault not from the delve itself... there you can get maximum champion item quality ( and hero if your lucky enough to get Delver's Bounty which have low drop rate...) then what comes, updating that hero gear with Runed Harbinger Crest till 4/6 max bcs stage 5 and 6 req Gilded Harbinger Crest which cannot be obtained via delves. Per delve run which lasts around 10, 15 mins beside on the grp, you collect 2 Runed Harbinger Crest while the mythic + gives 12 timed( for that 12 Runed Harbinger Crest that you can get from one M4+ run that lasts around 25 mins you have to do 6 delves which will last hour +) ... So the better solution still for gearing and updating that Hero gear is still M+.
P.S.
And when you get that full Hero quality gear you dont need Delves at all... ( luck finding ppl to do tier 9, 10, 11)
I did a couple 10s for the first time yesterday and that was just unholy.
Why
Try it with a heal
@lottoo5693 It was a pretty solid group and while I'm like 613 it was just that so many things were going off constantly that periodically I'd just get nuked even with all my kicks.
I'm defintely up for 'Xal'ataths Taint'
Timed a +10 4 rets 1 prot pally. It was fun
I get the point that you can get hero track gear in delves. But that is only a part of the story. Even if you have hero track gear, without the gilded crests from M+ there is no way of upgrading beyond 619 (champion track). I mean yes, you get 2 crest per run. This means a character having to upgrade 16 Items, 2 times with 15 crests means 240 delve runs. I don't see this as a real option. So getting beyond 619 isn't possible for casual players. If you drop them myth track on level 11 delves they would end up having itemlevel 623 becaus there is no meaningful way to upgrade the items.
Another question is, why is this a problem for M+? I mean I do M+ for fun. Gear is not the reason, it is the necessity to push even higher. If delves pull away players from M+ we should ask why and then fix M+ instead of designing another system bad, just to ensure the existing system is still played.
Good.
Then maybe they start actually seeking information how to defeat packs and bosses etc.
How to setup an actual UI and keybindings.
It REALLY isnt that hard. takes MAX a few hours ONE time and all your classes onwards are forever solved.
You cant honestly belive entering M+ BLIND should reward anyone at a certain level?
Lazyness is the worst.
@@maxitgames I don't see why you think they should start to get good.
This is just a game. Means people don't want to learn this stuff. They want to start it and have fun. If they are stuck in delves (on 619), they are entering M+ because they need the crests. They don't want to participate in how we play. This is exactly the problem.
So to say, delves are there to provide content for casuals. This content have to be designed in a way so that casuals have a whole season something to progress on. Let's say someone is doing 4 delves a week. If he has maxed out what he can get in delves within 1 month. What should this person do the next 5 month until the next season starts?
I know what this person is doing at the moment. It is doing M+. This person don't want to learn mechanics and will never get better. This person it here for the crests because delves are no longer worth running. After a few frustrating trys this perosn will cancel the abo until the next season.
And yes entering a M+ BLIND is ok. This is called learning by doing. I don't think a game should be designed in a way where you have to watch guides, videos and learn stuff before you start to play. How should you ever have the feeling of achieving something if you saw it in videos 100 times before you tried it on your own for the first time?
@@sknoppsi4413
pfft.
Learn by doing is something you can do while 600 IL, not when you chase the actual max gear.
You SHOULD start considering LEARNING the actual content you play when you hit a wall.
This is such a weak mentality i have no words.
@@sknoppsi4413
Also, why would anyone care about salvaging the quitter from canceling his sub?
Like why would we care? at all?
He is CLEARLY too lazy to even play the game.
We cant shape the entierty of the m+ genre based on lazy players.
@@maxitgames
First we should care about subs because we want the game to stay health and get new features right?
Second you didn't understand my intention. I don't want to make everything so easy that everyone gets everything. I want that all people have fun in the game.
This means I don't want to force people into M+. A solution might be making crests available in delves.
As I said having to do 360 delves to get to 619. And doing ~2k runs to get anywhere near 626 is not feasible. If you think we should not give delvers more crest access it is ok. Maybe we should limit the amount of crests in M+ so that delvers stop footing into M+ for crests? Lets say 6 crests for a timed and 3 for an untimed run?
Means 6 crests in ~30 minutes which is still more then delvers get in the same time. And 3 for an untimed which is slightly less then a delver get. So there is no benefit for a delver doing M+.
As I said initially. I don't think delves should be designed bad to justify the M+ content. And maybe delves are fine as they are and M+ schould be designed to not hinter Delves to thrive?
Make heroic’s more rewarding with gear for us old timers Ion🤨
Terrible take on mythic raiding. Mythic raid always has and always will provide the best loot.
MOOMMMM!!!
BATHROOM!
Eric's mom - what a big boyyyy 😂
Loved it esp when butters was the warrior lol and had to keep changing his class/race
WoW's the e-sport MMO. Tweaking the numbers won't change that.
Racial should be way more impactful. I want it to matter. I want them to be bound to abilities depending on what clas you play. Pop wings on a paling as lightforged boom lights judgement fires
As a 45 year old with kids and Responsibilities... Delves are all I do now. But if M+ was more of a pushover I think msot folks would be happier and parties less toxic too. In 2004 when WoW first came out I Woukd group with folks, we would wipe a bunch and still keep going. Going after Arugal was great and it was about meta, speed, etc. Get back to that.
No
Yes please all I do is raid log now cause 90% of the time I que for a m+ only for it to fall apart when the group can't do mechanics etc
You have that already, anything under a 12, go face roll that and stop acting like you are entitled because you have less time to play. You want pushover m+ there are 11 levels of that for you.
@@72ultraairsoft36 ok 90% of people can't do a 5 before leaving
@ so get better. You aren’t entitled to do a 6, it’s progression. Also 90% is a stretch.
"I don't need a different naming track for crest"
Christ on a bike, we don't need FOUR CRESTS either.
@matthewbreen1951 what we really don't need is 90 crests to craft a 636 piece either!!!
Right they want m+ to be easier whilst they have made it the worst ever for healers
If youre only doing delves, you dont need mythic track gear
Back in DF I did M+ with my guild and it was a cakewalk, everyone had the right add ons and voice coms made things so easy. My situation changed and I can’t play regularly anymore so I went back to playing casually, no raids, no organized M+. When I can I PUG M+ now in TWW, clearing a +4 (old +14) with a pug feels so much more as an achievement than clearing a +25 in DF with a set group.
The community is the main issue, it feels like everyone has main character syndrome and talk shit all the time. I have seen so many people embarrass themselves by just being wrong about how the dungeons work.
I enjoy Delves a great single player experience. I just wish they would buff Brann DPS spec damage a bit, when I delve on a Disc priest he does only 20-25% more damage than me, feels wrong. When I run on my Warlock his presence is irrelevant, and my Protection Paladin does more DPS than him.
When they revamped the dungeon levels they cut out so many keys and made people be pickier
I want Mythic to be queable so you can stop the "you need to be 600+!!" while the person making the group is 560
making it queable allows people to see the tactics of mythic + get slightly better gear for Mythic+
I 100% agree due to it being person key based that Myhic+ should stay as it is though.
Wouldn't change much. No tank or healer is going to want to waste their time queueing with randoms when they can cherry pick competent groups so you're just going to have a 1 hour queue as a dps.
You get gear for free in this game, takes less than 10 hours to be 610. Your reasoning makes no sense, the only people that want solo queue are players so bad no one wants to play with them but are too delusional to do lower keys that they are good enough for while they learn.
you miss the point , where people are still gonna leave , that"s something people don't understand , no matter what you do , you'll still spend 20 min in q , then people will leave , dungeon disband , its the same bs , but this time with even worst surrounding since you'll meet delve players having the freedom to q in your keys , yeah buddy gl with that. so many people say " ahm we need q system 🤓 and people genuinely think it will solve something , but they forgot that its community not the game.
Queing fixes 0 issues. A tank will hop into the que, inspect the group and just leave if he dosent like what he sees lol. A 30 min penalty wont stop him.
Xd literally only reason for tanks to leave is just that they can hop into another que for 5 minutes. Add solo que that deplete their key and lock em account wide for 30m-1h and lets see who will instantly leave lol, but depleting is trash concept all they have to do is penalise peoples time. The only reason i would prefer to do my weekly 10 on multiple healers is because if group disband i can hop into another instantly i don’t give a single shit how my team even looks unless i play super off meta healer.
But they have to use their brains for once and cater to casuals and make m+ fun again for solo que to ever succeed. Lfg is already nearly dead either as 30-40% less people do m+ in comparison to df.
i do delves on my holy priests just fine
the people defending this m+ season are the ones that hate there lifes
The whole crest upgrade system is stupid... I hate it.
You want the solution? Take loot drops out of Mythic+ and Delves. May the reward be in the Great Vault. Any Delve or Mythic+ under a certain tier can award Heroic track from Vault. Anything 10+ can award Mythic track. This would make people want to push higher Delves (beyond a Delve 8) and Mythics. So just say Delve 10's and Mythic 10's can award Mythic track from the Vault alone. And of course, if you really want to reward the even higher key players, allow them to add additional sockets to Mythic track gear once they have completed tier 13's or 14's.
And finally: Stop caring that casual players want to be able to enjoy the same quality of WoW life as everyone those top bracket players. Get over it! Either be satisfied with what you have, or learn your class better. Blizzard has already made it easy for you. What more do you want?
I would love for them to change the walking animations. They made them so childish. Everything bounces. Dwarves and Zandalari troll are painful to play because I cant stand the run.
Dungeons dont have to be easier just the upgrade system has to be better
No it doesnt. its imo too easy as it is atm.
Gearing a full 626 IL char is done at rediculous speeds atm.
Give better rewards for beating timer. Give 12 crests no matter what. Problem solved. Max out a toon move on to the next one. Have fun….
No, just remove timer and let it be more difficult. Timer is make it boring but struggling to defeat boss or a pack of mobs with a lot of interruptions and other stuff would be nicer
Remove tyranical and fortified together....
Hope gilded crests starts at +5
just do 8s. unless your arent capable. if so you dont need 623+ gear. what would be the point
@ i do 8's but as a casual player who plays pugs, it's difficult you know what i mean, and we got alts also that sometimes we want to gear so cutting down difficulty saves time
@@raynathanielcaparas8064 use addons , it tells you "frontal move" it tells you aoe incoming , track every mob and boss cd , i mean brother if you still can't manage to move and adapt , thats crazy.
@@raynathanielcaparas8064
No, i dont know what you mean.
If you find it difficult you STILL havent understood what m+ is about.
You are STILL letting Deadly abilities go off.
You are 1000% STILL standing in swirleys and frontals.
You are 10000% STILL pulling either too big for the amount of kicks the group have or what the healer can handle.
Its a skillissue, not a system issue.
@ you dont understand that it takes five to complete m+? Oh you might be that guy who can carry the team, a rambo in m+
Fine, I'll rewatch make love not Warcraft
Use your abilities not only key 1-4, Kick spells on cd and Dungeons get easier ;) i Play my twink heal in low keys and ppl dont use their shit. Def cds and so on. So dont complain the Game is to hard
Fix demon hunter
The players crying about mythic plus to be made easier are dumb asf, they literally complete the highest lvl u can to gain the max which is mythic 10, after that its just a waste really
M+ is already super easy, people are just bad 😂😂
true. people brick +2s which is insane
True, doesn't really hurt anything to be easier for people to max weekly reward.
@@Korelock990 everyone thinks they're MDI quality and pull whole rooms 😆 🤣
You say it’s easy but for ppl that are actually good in m+ and don’t get invited to groups because they prefer “ meta “ that’s killing m+ as well
@chrismansori551 I know what you're saying, but I play every class. Yes some it takes a bit longer for keys than others but I just end up running my own or just waiting it out until I get in. I'm not saying it's not flawed. I'm just saying M+ is easy
you know how pvp gear scales down in world content? what if delves rewarded high level gear all the way through tier 11, but the delve gear scales down when entering M+ or Raid content? that way people who enjoy group content don't feel like they need to run delves for the weekly vault and solo players benefit from better gear doing the content they like.
@mcdonnu, this right here is a great suggestion
so you want pve gear to scale down in pve tell us your high without telling us your high
i might be high.. but only delve gear…effectively making delve gear its own track. i dunno. all i know is theres no point in doing delve tiers 9-11.. and lower level m+ is kinda irrelevant cause you can just get gear from delves instead of running shitty m+. and raiders are gonna raid no matter what anyway.
Playing against the computer too hard
Everquest does the “rerelease” every year. And the servers are expansion locked
M+ is PERFECT as it is.
As per usual its the community.
People are simply to lazy to seek the information they need to perform at certain levels.
Its litterally that simple.
Like do people really expect going blind into any dungeon is a good thing? or should be easy?
If you die to same abilities over and over again, its not a blizzard problem, its a YOU problem.
Learn, adapt, overcome.
Have some freaking pride.
I would rather applaud blizzard for actually making mechanics and strats for packs and bosses rather than crying like a baby about it.
If the community continues to expect free loot for no effort we are NEVER getting rid of / reduce the amount of groups disbanding and people not stepping into m+.
Rather encourage people to seek information and solutions than to make content rediculously easy.
TLDR: Stop beeing lazy and seek information. its not that hard.
I think DF season 4 was the best state. I hate that the Mythic grade loot is locked behind a fkn +10. (old +20) WITH tyrranical and fortified at the same time with a fkn 15 sec death penalty.
The dificulty is fine, but that loot progression is shit, and i know im not the only one thinking this. There was no good reason to squish the keylevels. All it has done is making the pug scene misserable because people are in key levels they have no buisness in beeing in yet.
So while i agree the difficulty is fine. This season is far from perfect, and what i mentioned is just some of many reasons.
Inbefore: "git gud" L2 Read guide" "push your own key"
For me I ran the same dungeon 16 times for 1 trinket and it never dropped. 45 mins a run that's 12 hours of doing the same content over the course of 2 weeks just to not get what you wanted. To run a high end dungeon it takes an hour of studying the dungeon 20mins to get a group together then 45mins for the actual dungeon and the most of the time you get 50gold then you do it again and get another 50gold. Ill run a delve and get on with my life.
I unsubbed cause I got to Mythic+ and refuse to tolerate the toxicity it breeds and since there's no progression otherwise, game over I guess. I game to have a good time for the most part I don't need some 45 yo neck beard calling me names.
play things that are at your level of skill or lower and no one will say anything mean
Do you think anyone really cares you unsubbed? Are you telling us to make your self feel important or like you not playing is some how meaningful to the grand scheme of things? No one cares no one will miss you. You are just not worth it.
@VizerPSok ok sweatlord
Mythic plus trash. The community is so toxic. Make gearing simple and add in hardmodes for special cosmetic acheivments mounts. Just make gearing managable and not toxic as fuck
It really isnt toxic if you as a player ACTUALLY wasnt lazy AF and didnt seek information on how or what to kick etc etc.
People are SICK and TIRED of NPC's like you who expects loot without doing ANY research WHATSOEVER.
You think the people running 12-18 are not doing their homework?
You think you can just sit in class without doing anything and get the diploma?
NOT HOW IT WORKS.
Weeee were all noobs and want everything easier weee
@@RhodesianSuperioritypeople should have trouble with 10s because the best gear comes from doing them. should mythic raid also be made easier and then they release a MythicExtra difficulty raid with no loot and harder bosses? it's weird for m+ to give gear easily while mythic raid requires so much coordination
you can argue that the best gear should be easy to acquire and that gear shouldn't be gatekept. but this is an MMO and there should be something to aspire to. in most games people aspire to become more powerful in the game. if power comes easily and everyone is at their strongest with minimal effort, what do we play for? people would quickly lose interest. should it just be an easy, but long, grind instead? that's even worse for the people who can't play much
delete Mythic+
M+ is the best thing that happened to wow, quit wow, filthy casual
Must suck to be trash at the game
M+ is just a bunch of egos....
or you are simply rediculously lazy.
M+ has ruined dungeons and I hate it. Dungeons aren't supposed to be AOE face rolls. I wish it would just go away.
The majority of the playerbase enjoy AoE faceroll content and have been complaining for years each time blizzard try to prevent them for being this.
Please don’t make mythic plus easier. I love the challenge. If it gets any easier it won’t be fun or worth playing
want mythic plus to be easier? do mythic +1
You already blew it Blizzard. You had 20 years but you still choose to do the same thing.
Just dont nerf...just bump everyone. Since its your mistake
Need to be able to change talents while in a m plus without going outside.
pfff, no